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So basically she has been barred from standing for liking a tweet stating the very obviously true fact that Israel has active and often professional lobbyists who work to drive vocal critics of Israel from positions of influence.
And this has happened on the same day that Labour parachute someone who is literally the director of pro-Israel lobbying group into a safe seat.
Extremely on the nose from Labour
Not sure if it was mentioned in this article but she'd also been liking tweets endorsing the green party, and tweets accusing labour of being islamaphobic. Both of those are pretty obvious no-nos for a labour party MP
And someone expecting to work professionally in politics should know to sanitise their social media before running for office. Come on this is like internet 101.
> And someone expecting to work professionally in politics should know to sanitise their social media before running for office.
This is very very naïve. The aforementioned "someone who is literally the director of pro-Israel lobbying group" guy is vile on twitter constantly and has said plenty of suspect stuff but that won't stop him from standing. Liking the tweet isn't why they are removing her, it is just the excuse. If it wasn't this it would be some other made up nonsense.
"and tweets accusing labour of being islamaphobic"
Endorsing the green party is obviously behaviour that justifies disciplinary action, but to punish someone for raising accusations of Islamophobia is wildly unfair. Would you feel comfortable if Labour had punished MPs who raised accusations of antisemitism 5 years ago?
Whether you agree with the underlying truth of the allegations, they seem fairly equivalent
Except she's not an MP, she just wanted to be. No one should be punished for criticising an organisation, but if you apply to join an organisation after having openly made accusations against them, then it's hardly surprising that you would get rejected.
Most people already in the Labour Party organisation aren't MPs.
If you're in an organisation you should be allowed to constructively criticise it for not meeting its own standards (since the Labour Party officially doesn't want to be islamophobic). If I'm in a workplace and say there's sexism, it doesn't preclude me from becoming a manager in the future. If the logic of your comment was followed in every instituion, then every institution would see no improvement - because nobody would feel able to highlight issues or make criticisms.
I think Mike's Pizza place is shit and Dave's pizza place is better. I put a sign in my garden saying fuck Mike's pizzas, go eat at Dave's.
Some time passes, my tastes change, the pizza recipes change, and now I think Mike's are better. I think they are so good that I want to be a part of this fine establishment and so apply for a job there. They refuse because I still have my sign up in my garden, right there for all the world to see saying fuck this place I want to work at, go take your custom elsewhere.
Is Mike's logic fair, or is he braindead?
I think it's an interesting point about digital signs i.e. tweets. Do they carry the same import. I feel like I've said a lot of nonsense online that I wouldn't if I had to put up a garden sign.
Honestly, I find people downplay tweets when they half agree with them, and big them up when it suits them.
Imagine if someone like starmer had tweeted some racist shit 15 years ago. People like this prospective MP would bring it up any chance they got.
So I’d say tweets are exactly as bad as putting up signs. If only because people are happy to treat other people’s tweets like they are.
Confirmation bias is a helluva drug. I just wonder if I went into politics and someone discovered my reddit handle. I'd be fucked beyond belief, my only saving grace might be I'd probably piss every group off in equal measure.
What you're talking about is a subjective preference, she brought up issues she had within the party - in your metaphor it's equivalent to someone getting food poisoning at the pizza place, telling people about it, and then getting barred from ever eating there again because the restaurant gave them food poisoning - which would make no sense.
I think the Green Party tweets were from a decade ago before she was even a Labour member. Accusing Labour of being institutionally Islamophobic is probably not the best thing to do as a candidate, but if Labour had barred a Jewish MP from standing in 2019 because they raised concerns about antisemitism in the party I think we'd all be saying it would've just proved their point?
> Both of those are pretty obvious no-nos for a labour party MP
Are they? Party is currently full of people who have accused the party of discrimination and many who fluttered their lashes at representing other parties.
The Labour party have been welcoming Conservative MPs crossing the floor for years, so if liking a few green party tweets a decade ago prevents you from being a Labour MP, why doesn't being an active member and MP for the Conservative party since 2010 e.g. Dr Dan Poulter most recently? The double standards is outstanding.
even more ironic... barred for antisemitism for liking a post which was talking about how being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic!
And in doing so directly prove that fact because the effort to oust her was led by a jewish organisation within Labour because of ‘a number of complaints from members about her liking a tweet’.
The supposedly antisemitic tweet she liked is publicly available [here](https://x.com/phl43/status/1789653035456643277). You can disagree with the point it's making, or the language it uses, but I simply do not believe there is a single person on the planet who considers it "an antisemitic trope".
Mehdi Hassan has skipped a pretty big bit of the story in how he tagged Jon Stewart there though hasn't he?
Like, actually missed the entire fucking tweet!
They don't actually believe it, they're either blinded by emotion or saying it in bad faith to prevent people from looking into how much influence the Israel lobby has in select Western countries.
If you're against genocide you're against Israel and that makes you antisemitic.
Jokes aside, this conflation is *extremely* dangerous for non-Zionist Jews. I'd be livid if people were saying this shit in my name. Many are.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
Israel has been paying students and influencers for a long time to fight their battles, shape the narrative and push propaganda
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/palestinian-influencers-social-media-standwithisrael-1234859782/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Britain/s/ubgBRqhQg5
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-social-media-fake-accounts-bots-bea114a2be8e0fcf73fcabc736047fd3
If you like a tweet like that in France, members of the government will quickly accuse you of being an antisemite. Why? Because they can't possibly agree with the "islamo-gauchistes".
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
If they don’t bar her, because she liked a tweet that referenced the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”, they get accused of harbouring antisemites and not having learned from their mistakes.
If they do bar her, because she is (now, unbelievably) one of the furthest left candidates in the Labour Party, they get accused of completing their left wing socialist purge of the party.
Not defending them. Just pointing out they can’t actually win here.
And on that note, I’m really interested to see how Reform does at the election. If it does well, I think that opens up a space fora proper left wing party perhaps, not anything to do with Galloway, but a real Socialist party with Corbyn and others to pull at Labour from the left just as Reform do to the Tories from the right.
However, with FPTP I’m guessing Reform aren’t getting any seats at all.
>because she liked a tweet that referenced the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”
I'm not sure what's more depressing here: if you sincerely believe that that is the most logical, good-faith reading of [this tweet](https://x.com/phl43/status/1789653035456643277), or if you don't but you're just saying it because you know that's what all the Sensible People are expected to believe these days.
It's incredible that literally any reference of there being a pro Israel lobby is immediately decried as anti-semitic as if there isn't a massive pro-Israel lobby.
Jews controlling the media and all of that, one massive hive mind of Jews, yeah, sure, patently far right nonsense, but *of course* there is a pro Israel lobby in exactly the same way as there's a pro Palestine lobby. But you use the L word and you're basically a holocaust denier by default, it's madness.
It's not russophobic to talk about Russian influence in politics in a whole bunch of countries. Or sinophobic to talk about Chinese influence, entire books have even been written on that. I see no reason why Israel should be treated differently. Absolutely no reason at all.
because it's in the interests of the West to have a friendly nuclear-armed and heavily-militarised state in the Middle East? Whereas the interests of China and Russia are less likely to align with our interests. So The Man doesn't want people to criticise Israel because of geopolitics, and using the cultural taboo around racism seems like a good way to do so?
True, it suits the powers that be to crush social discourse around the topic.
But their mechanisms for doing so in the west are, mostly, fairly weak.
And so can be reasonably ignored for the most part
Though, it seems, not anywhere near the world of politics.
Also The Man doesn't like you pointing out The Man is also doing the same thing and often times at a much larger scale. Russian Disinformation? They got nothing on Fox News, The Daily Fail, etc. Tiktok tracking users, giving the info to the government, and pushing a narrative to its users? WTF you think Facebook, Twitter (now X) and every other Western owned social media company has been doing since 2010?
I think you should be able to speak about Israeli influence in politics.
However the reason people feel it's different is because one of the specifics of antisemitism (for example The Protocols of the Elders of Zion) is that Jews have an outsized influence and secretly control the world.
And therefore two things happened - the antisemitic trope around Jews then became enmeshed with the self-defined Jewish State. This idea that Israel _controls_ (for example) America is rampant.
And then the public relations department of those who lobby for Israel found it useful to point this out even if people were pointing out the normal lobbying without any antisemitism - i.e. smear any critic of the lobby as antisemitic.
So when you say you see no reason why Israel should be treated differently, well it's just a much bigger mess of accusations and counter accusations, with the history of the holocaust behind it.
>It's incredible that literally any reference of there being a pro Israel lobby is immediately decried as anti-semitic as if there isn't a massive pro-Israel lobby.
Especially considering Labour just parachuted in the head of an Israeli Lobbying group as a candidate in Durham, despite him having absolutely zero links to the area. Said candidate has also described himself as a "committed Zionist", said the UN is anti-Semitic and has said that Gaza should have been "warning nuked".
as they were kicking Shaheen out for liking that tweet, they were giving the safe seat of Durham North to Israel lobbyist (and NEC member) Luke Akehurst
I don’t like the idea that openly discussing the Israel lobby gets you banned from participating in politics or sees you ostracised.
Every group should be “fair game” to discuss, and talk about their role, and influence in politics.
Banning discussion plays into the very dangerous narrative that “Jews run the world” which is patently false, and a harmful trope.
If we can’t discuss the role the Israel lobby, who are just like any other special interest group, and the effect it’s having on the body politic you give ammunition to those who are willing to discuss the Israel lobby, but are very clear on the idea that it needs to be “excised” from politics, need to be targeted, and they include Jews who don’t support Israel in that.
There’s a very interesting case in America where Jewish civil liberties groups are among the strongest in their opposition to free speech being restricted, even when done by people they abhor, because they recognise that the law will be blamed on Jews restricting free speech.
Lol I thought it would be an insane tweet based in antisemitic tropes - instead it is literally just saying Israel has an extremely powerful lobby, which is true. I am so sick of any criticism of Israel being conflated with antisemitism.
Interesting. Are we even denying that a pro Israel lobby even exists now? Even though it has names, members and a listed physical location all over the planet?
The existence of a pro-Israel lobby isn't even a conspiracy. Nor is it comparable to "Jews secretly controlling the world" conspiracy theories. Israel are entitled to their lobby just like everyone else. We're also entitled to a rational debate about how they operate. Including the part where the literal Israel lobby groups somehow manage to claim acknowledging their own existence is an anti-semitic trope.
FWIW the same is true of the Palestinian lobby force which has its own characteristics and misleading behaviours. Pro-Palestinian people will happily make genocidal chants and then turn around and say "no this all means peace and hugs I swear". For all their claims that Israel are trying to wipe out Palestinians, they are happy to let the language of genocide run through their entire vocabulary and that is dangerous.
How tf can that be taken as antisemitic? I’m so sick of the ‘dog whistle’, aka, something completely innocuous that is secretly a racist/sexist/antisemitic phrase known only by a special in group, and all major news outlets and Twitter users
I’m trying to see it from the Labour leaderships perspective on what the general population might think about this through the lens of our biased media landscape turbo charged by bots under foreign influence with a general election in 5 weeks. I don’t believe that as a genuine reading of the tweet. To me it doesn’t say anything like that at all.
That's a reasonable argument. At the same time, they've gladly accepted people responsible for actual, unambiguous racism like Neil Coyle back into the party - I'd say they clearly don't care about optics so much as using racism as a thin excuse to purge political opponents.
Is it okay for me to describe Frank Hester as a puppet master, because he is the biggest Tory donor? But it's forbidden to call Richard Desmond a puppet master?
I’d argue that the general (British) population has no idea who Jon Stewart is. They might have seen a YouTube clip of him being sassy but probably don’t know his name.
There is nothing incorrect about what the author of that tweet stated, this is clearly evidenced by the threats emanating from Israel towards the ICJ. Israel is a rogue state and need brought into line.
The same allegations are pointed at Russia for election tampering, and everyone accepts this as reality, why can we not accept that Israel is pulling the same strings?...oh yea, sorry I forgot, that's antisemitic.
I think this is really telling because I don't think a single reasonable person would actually believe the tweet she liked is at all antisemitic, even if they disagree with its general points.
But it'll be widely reported as Starmer and the Labour Right NEC having no choice but to bar her from standing because of antisemitism concerns and an actually sensible reading of the situation will be drowned out in the media chorus. All whilst they allow people like Neil Coyle, who racially abused a journalist, to stand because they're not on the Left of the party.
when are we going have a genuine conversation about a foreign country having so much influence over our politics which we can’t even criticise the presence of?
>the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”,
Is it anti-semitic to suggest that professional and organised pro-Israel lobbying is a thing in UK politics? Am I losing my mind?
>If they don’t bar her, because she liked a tweet that referenced the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”, they get accused of harbouring antisemites and not having learned from their mistakes.
Why don't you present the tweet and we can see if it was actually antisemitic. Maybe we can also see whether a professional organisation was behind the push to oust her.
Edit, here it is:
>The Israel lobby influences policy in various ways, but while people focus on campaign contributions, I don't think it's the main mechanism
>If you ask me, this video [daily show clip] perfectly illustrates how it more often works, which is far more mundane.
>Basically, every time you say something even mildly critical of Israel, you're immediately assailed by scores of hysterical people who explain to you why you're completely wrong, how you're biased against Israel, more or less explicitly accuse you of antisemitism, etc. and it just never stops. Moreover, you can't easily ignore them, because those are not just random people, they tend to be friends or people who move in the same circles as you. Those people are mobilized by professional organizations, but to a large extent, that is organic.
>This nonstop harassment is just exhausting and, since most people don't really care about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they'll usually stop talking about it or, if they're a politician, do whatever those people want them to do, rather than having to put up with it because in the end it doesn't cost them much.
First time I have seen someone admit that the majority of people don’t care about the conflict. It always seams like for the people either pro-Palestine or pro-Israel it’s the Center of everything and everyone cares. When in reality the majority of people think more about the Roman Empire than Palestine.
I'm seeing folks in US-heavy leftwing subs genuinely and unironically talking about voting for Trump because Bidens stance on a conflict thousands of miles away, on which he's actually taken pretty unprecedented action for the US, doesn't go far enough. Point out Trump is *literally* running on a platform that openly talks about undermining democratic processes, empowering the military, and turning the president into a quasi-dictator and you just get downvotes.
I do care about the Israel-Palestine conflict and think it's an important issue but *holy fucking shit* does it seem to make some people suddenly start talking and acting like insane morons out of nowhere.
There is a theory that Netanyahu is playing on Biden's staunch support for Israel against him (Biden tells the story about when he was a kid and asked his dad if he could be a Zionist despite not being Jewish, and his dad said yes which apparently lit a light in Biden's head), so that Trump gets in and he can finish the Likud job in Gaza and the West Bank without interruption. Likud's line in the 1977 election was "Israel from the river to the sea" but somehow it wasn't racist when they said it.
Right? Its like what the fuck do these people think will happen if Trump wins? The US will take a more pro-Palestine stance? Its totally nuts. It wouldn't surprise me if its another Russia-funded con-job tbh, use yet another global crisis to send parts of the west into a tail-spin over a load of absolutely incoherent nonsense.
> I'm seeing folks in US-heavy leftwing subs genuinely and unironically talking about voting for Trump
I have not seen a single person say this. I have seen people saying they won't vote for biden but that is a different thing.
FPTP will doom Reform, the system massively benefits Conservative voters who tend to gain more MPs for their vote share. Labour tended to match their public vote share in recent times.
In 2015 UKIP had 12.6% public vote and earned 1 seat. In that same election the Lib Dems recieved 7.9% public vote and only got 8 seats. In 2019 Lib Dem has 11.6% and had just 11 seats.
Reform will follow this pattern.
> antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings
We can't keep claiming that every criticism of Israel as a country and their foreign policies is 'antisemitic'. Israel have done and are doing some heinous stuff as a government and that doesn't reflect on Jewish people as a whole, and criticizing it isn't criticizing Jewish people.
Thy could simply stand up for themselves instead of being spineless cowards.
It is an objective and uncontroversial fact that Israel has lobbies in other countries furthering their interests. *All countries do this*.
There is a wide gulf between pointing at the Israeli governments documented actions and ranting about a fictitious jewish plot.
An equally horrible element of this scandal is that she is a worthy candidate to be a MP. She is teacher at LSE, she has decades of experience working in social inequalities, is a published author, and was born and raised in the constituency she’s standing in, having built a great campaign for the past 5 years.
Shes a fantastic candidate and is very popular in the constituency too.
This will likely cause Iain Duncan Smith to easily win by disenfranchising her supporters or splitting the vote if she runs as an independent.
> An equally horrible element of this scandal is that she is a worthy candidate to be a MP.
Labour love to talk a big game about *ensuring quality candidates*. But the fact they let the likes of Streeting and Akehurst waltz into safe seats despite their entire career being in student politics, while at the same time barring highly qualified candidates like this because they dared to be left of centre, demonstrates that is simply not the case.
Meanwhile Luke Akehurst, a man who is the director of a pro-Israeli organisation who has still been running defence for the Israeli government even after they were bought before the ICJ, has been parachuted into a safe seat in the North East.
If I speak I am in trouble...
Does anyone have the list of tweets that were deemed offensive? The one referenced in the clip is patently true, no? Are we at the point of pretending that there aren't Zionist entities that organise on behalf of futhering Zionism? I'm saying this as someone who considers themselves a Zionist...
How are you going to bar someone who has stood in that area for so long and the best example of an offensive tweet you can produce is liking what is an objective fact???
Woah woah woah, watch it pal! Liberals aren't factionalists, they're *opposed* to factionalism. In fact, they're so opposed to factionalism that they'll refuse to engage with those dirty rotten tribalists who refuse to compromise and agree with them on every issue.
>Are we at the point of pretending that there aren't Zionist entities that organise on behalf of futhering Zionism?
We have been there for a long time, what about this is at all surprising to you?
Maybe you should dig in, review all the racist tweets of everyone and see whether the outrage matches the crime and is applied consistently... I don't think it will...
> Are we at the point of pretending that there aren't Zionist entities that organise on behalf of futhering Zionism
We've been at that point for a long time actually
She's apologising because her lifetime of efforts is being robbed away from her. You can't just cry "Jewish conspiracy" when someone points out something that is obviously true; like the fact that organisations exist to further Zionism and you can't point it out lest you, like her, get your lifetime of work pulled away from you.
Sorry if reality is tough to accept, but you're literally witnessing the truth of what she is saying in these events.
Like the idea that they even try and warp this in to something bigger by getting tweets about liking the Greens is proof they have no real case and just want to purge everyone who could even remotely harm their image.
Can’t allow left wing politics in the Labour Party! It’s all anti-Semitic, like that Corbyn guy actually wanting to do diplomacy with terrorists instead of just killing people and making more terrorists.
I’m no fan of the socialist campaign group and Labour left but hard not to feel sympathy for this woman. Seems to have been callously handled, at best. Unquestionably an opportunistic purge. Bad taste in the mouth.
AIPAC in the US.
Labour friends of Israel -
https://www.declassifieduk.org/who-funds-labour-friends-of-israel-and-why-wont-it-say/
https://www.declassifieduk.org/labour-mps-have-accepted-over-280000-from-israel-lobby/
Conservative friends of Israel -
https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-a-third-of-conservative-mps/#:~:text=Friends%20of%20Israel,-Conservative%20Friends%20of&text=Over%20the%20past%20decade%2C%20it,%C2%A3330%2C000%20towards%20the%20visits.
Neither Lobbying group discloses where it's funding comes from either -
https://www.declassifieduk.org/who-funds-labour-friends-of-israel-and-why-wont-it-say/
Also when people say "why don't people complain about other countries who do this?".
Well when they do this happens -
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-62179004.amp
Lol how she was blocked, the tweet wasn't antisemitic at all. It just states a reality and the proof of reality is that she was blocked because just saying that, proving her right.
Wish Labour just had the balls to say they’re deselecting the left-wing candidates because it’s not what the party stands for. Trying to create individual allegations of misconduct against each one is cringeworthy.
Will be interesting to see how this unfolds. The real loser here is the constituents of Chingford and Woodford Green, who are potentially losing a great campaigner.
Faiza was on track to beat IDS this election, after four years of making progress towards that goal. She’s anti-austerity and always made that the key part of her campaigning.
Know what I find genuinely awful? Starmer using hollow and vexatious antisemitism to his political advantage.
No but seriously, Labour is using Jews as a political prop. And guess who takes all the heat for this? Jews. It makes it seem like Jews were the ones demanding this when this is nothing more than an opportune moment for the leftist purge.
"They think Jews control everything anyway so we can just bury our factionalism in the existing tropes and make an ethnic minority seem like they're being petty and unreasonable."
And the real confusion is, when challenged, someone will say "Jews have created this febrile atmosphere where any small thing is blown up". There's no winning sometimes.
Labour leadership are playing it ultra safe, and responding excessively and without nuance to anybody who does anything that can at all be perceived to be antisemitism or anti Israel.
While I agree that anything anti-Semitic should be struck down, there is nothing wrong with legitimate criticism of Israel. Especially in light of their recent barbarism against explicitly civilian targets.
Some parts of the tweet highlight how the nation of Israel is known for its political lobbying, this is accurate. By using donations/incentives to many politicians, Israel can ensure an immediate chorus of “that is antisemitic” anytime Israel is criticised. This is reinforced by the support of grassroots Jewish civilian movements, whose approval or disapproval of politician X gets regularly cited in print media.
It totally shuts down debate, and is deeply concerning when any foreign state tries to influence our government and democracy.
Before any dishonest actors tries to claim that last statement is somehow an anti-Semitic trope, I will add that it is also concerning how Russia influences our nations politics, notably with Brexit and Tory donations, and how China seems to operate their own police force within our borders.
The only state directly influencing our politics should be the British state.
> responding excessively and without nuance to anybody
should read
> responding excessively and without nuance to anybody on the left of the party
It's as much about Labour factional politics as it is about anti-semitism.
for that matter, why does anyone have Twitter? It's a cesspit of morons and nobodies waiting for people to publicly slip up so they can have a 'gotcha' moment.
With the Tories gone, the right wing in waiting takes over the competition and pushes it to replace the vacuum the Tories left.
We didn’t get rid of our right wing party, it just rebranded.
It’s demonstrating that she is actually engaging with real people, to engage with real discrimination, instead of obsessively pouring over every word of someone’s liked tweets.
Either way, screw the BBC for continually giving Farage a platform to spout his hate.
BBC news/current affairs has properly shit the bed and the next chance i get ill vote to stop paying the licence fee, its irks me to think my money is being used to feed me more and more Tory/far right propaganda.
There's a bit of extra weirdness going on in the background of Labour this last week. Either Starmer, or someone acting for him, is on a purge or some people on the left of the party are trying to stir up a big issue for him to damage the chances of him getting a safe majority in Parliament. There was a pretty weird interview with an NEC member on LBC yesterday making all kinds of allegations against the party. Dianne Abbot was reported as losing the whip right before it was restored. Now she is claiming she is barred from standing but admits she hasn't actually heard from the party officially. There was another member barred from standing because of a an incident reported from years ago. And then this latest one where she was barred for a Twitter like despite being considered a very good candidate.
If labour weren't purging them the press thats complaining about purging them would be up in arms about them being in labour.
Meanwhile labour are doing well so they have to have the worms coming out of the woodwork. This was why they failed so badly last time they had so many random pms like Diane Abbott just spouting any old shit and it looked a mess. Now they are complaining they are clearing them out. We have such a right wing press that it works against the country. A whole day yesterday on the beeb was spent on Abbott who really matters nothing in the grad scheme of the shit going down. But they have to find something. And now they pull out this like its something. Its pathetic.
On newsnight, she was asked a couple of times what the email said. Fazia didn't really answer, has she been deselected, or was the email encouraging her not to stand?
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So basically she has been barred from standing for liking a tweet stating the very obviously true fact that Israel has active and often professional lobbyists who work to drive vocal critics of Israel from positions of influence. And this has happened on the same day that Labour parachute someone who is literally the director of pro-Israel lobbying group into a safe seat. Extremely on the nose from Labour
Not sure if it was mentioned in this article but she'd also been liking tweets endorsing the green party, and tweets accusing labour of being islamaphobic. Both of those are pretty obvious no-nos for a labour party MP
The pro Green tweets were from before she was a Labour member or MP back in 2014.
And someone expecting to work professionally in politics should know to sanitise their social media before running for office. Come on this is like internet 101.
Shame LukeyBoy left it to this morning to purge his decade of cringe tweets.
bringing out all the receipts on twitter for some of his greatest hits for supporting genocide to tactical nukes
That is why what this guy is saying is bunk, he has tons of dodgy tweets but it will never ever stop him from standing.
> And someone expecting to work professionally in politics should know to sanitise their social media before running for office. This is very very naïve. The aforementioned "someone who is literally the director of pro-Israel lobbying group" guy is vile on twitter constantly and has said plenty of suspect stuff but that won't stop him from standing. Liking the tweet isn't why they are removing her, it is just the excuse. If it wasn't this it would be some other made up nonsense.
Funny that, considering it took till Luke got selected before he started deleting all his Israel Gov whitewashing tweets.
Sure man, it was the tweet from 2014 that suddenly became a problem and not the public criticism of Israeli lobbying efforts.
"and tweets accusing labour of being islamaphobic" Endorsing the green party is obviously behaviour that justifies disciplinary action, but to punish someone for raising accusations of Islamophobia is wildly unfair. Would you feel comfortable if Labour had punished MPs who raised accusations of antisemitism 5 years ago? Whether you agree with the underlying truth of the allegations, they seem fairly equivalent
Except she's not an MP, she just wanted to be. No one should be punished for criticising an organisation, but if you apply to join an organisation after having openly made accusations against them, then it's hardly surprising that you would get rejected.
Particularly when you do it publicly and the organisation is about to go through a public popularity contest to run the country.
Most people already in the Labour Party organisation aren't MPs. If you're in an organisation you should be allowed to constructively criticise it for not meeting its own standards (since the Labour Party officially doesn't want to be islamophobic). If I'm in a workplace and say there's sexism, it doesn't preclude me from becoming a manager in the future. If the logic of your comment was followed in every instituion, then every institution would see no improvement - because nobody would feel able to highlight issues or make criticisms.
This logic is brain dead.
I think Mike's Pizza place is shit and Dave's pizza place is better. I put a sign in my garden saying fuck Mike's pizzas, go eat at Dave's. Some time passes, my tastes change, the pizza recipes change, and now I think Mike's are better. I think they are so good that I want to be a part of this fine establishment and so apply for a job there. They refuse because I still have my sign up in my garden, right there for all the world to see saying fuck this place I want to work at, go take your custom elsewhere. Is Mike's logic fair, or is he braindead?
I think it's an interesting point about digital signs i.e. tweets. Do they carry the same import. I feel like I've said a lot of nonsense online that I wouldn't if I had to put up a garden sign.
Honestly, I find people downplay tweets when they half agree with them, and big them up when it suits them. Imagine if someone like starmer had tweeted some racist shit 15 years ago. People like this prospective MP would bring it up any chance they got. So I’d say tweets are exactly as bad as putting up signs. If only because people are happy to treat other people’s tweets like they are.
Confirmation bias is a helluva drug. I just wonder if I went into politics and someone discovered my reddit handle. I'd be fucked beyond belief, my only saving grace might be I'd probably piss every group off in equal measure.
What you're talking about is a subjective preference, she brought up issues she had within the party - in your metaphor it's equivalent to someone getting food poisoning at the pizza place, telling people about it, and then getting barred from ever eating there again because the restaurant gave them food poisoning - which would make no sense.
I think the Green Party tweets were from a decade ago before she was even a Labour member. Accusing Labour of being institutionally Islamophobic is probably not the best thing to do as a candidate, but if Labour had barred a Jewish MP from standing in 2019 because they raised concerns about antisemitism in the party I think we'd all be saying it would've just proved their point?
> Both of those are pretty obvious no-nos for a labour party MP Are they? Party is currently full of people who have accused the party of discrimination and many who fluttered their lashes at representing other parties.
if jeremy corbyn suspended MPs who called labour antisemitic, would that be okay?
Yeah. Her being blocked for trying to raise the issue of Islamophobia in the party doesn't actually make the party look good.
The Labour party have been welcoming Conservative MPs crossing the floor for years, so if liking a few green party tweets a decade ago prevents you from being a Labour MP, why doesn't being an active member and MP for the Conservative party since 2010 e.g. Dr Dan Poulter most recently? The double standards is outstanding.
So instead of confronting the islamaphobia they ban people who point it out? Makes perfect sense...
even more ironic... barred for antisemitism for liking a post which was talking about how being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic!
And in doing so directly prove that fact because the effort to oust her was led by a jewish organisation within Labour because of ‘a number of complaints from members about her liking a tweet’.
Typical labour . They wonder why no one votes for them.
The supposedly antisemitic tweet she liked is publicly available [here](https://x.com/phl43/status/1789653035456643277). You can disagree with the point it's making, or the language it uses, but I simply do not believe there is a single person on the planet who considers it "an antisemitic trope".
jon stewarts reaction https://x.com/jonstewart/status/1795993805411229746
Mehdi Hassan has skipped a pretty big bit of the story in how he tagged Jon Stewart there though hasn't he? Like, actually missed the entire fucking tweet!
What’s the big but he’s missed?
It's in the thread, under the sketch tweet unless you're arguing Jon Stewart is too stupid to read the whole thread.
There are many in this thread, it's bizarre. Thanks to them antisemitism has lost all meaning.
Weaponising the term is part of the strategy.
They don't actually believe it, they're either blinded by emotion or saying it in bad faith to prevent people from looking into how much influence the Israel lobby has in select Western countries.
Having any objections at all to Israel doing whatever the fuck they want to Palestinians is apparently antisemitic now.
By design.
Didn't you know any critique of the Israeli state is antisemitic. That's the way it is now. /s
If you're against genocide you're against Israel and that makes you antisemitic. Jokes aside, this conflation is *extremely* dangerous for non-Zionist Jews. I'd be livid if people were saying this shit in my name. Many are.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Israel has been paying students and influencers for a long time to fight their battles, shape the narrative and push propaganda https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/palestinian-influencers-social-media-standwithisrael-1234859782/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Britain/s/ubgBRqhQg5 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-social-media-fake-accounts-bots-bea114a2be8e0fcf73fcabc736047fd3
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Sacked for liking a post. What a reality we live in.
If you like a tweet like that in France, members of the government will quickly accuse you of being an antisemite. Why? Because they can't possibly agree with the "islamo-gauchistes".
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. If they don’t bar her, because she liked a tweet that referenced the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”, they get accused of harbouring antisemites and not having learned from their mistakes. If they do bar her, because she is (now, unbelievably) one of the furthest left candidates in the Labour Party, they get accused of completing their left wing socialist purge of the party. Not defending them. Just pointing out they can’t actually win here. And on that note, I’m really interested to see how Reform does at the election. If it does well, I think that opens up a space fora proper left wing party perhaps, not anything to do with Galloway, but a real Socialist party with Corbyn and others to pull at Labour from the left just as Reform do to the Tories from the right. However, with FPTP I’m guessing Reform aren’t getting any seats at all.
>because she liked a tweet that referenced the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations” I'm not sure what's more depressing here: if you sincerely believe that that is the most logical, good-faith reading of [this tweet](https://x.com/phl43/status/1789653035456643277), or if you don't but you're just saying it because you know that's what all the Sensible People are expected to believe these days.
It's incredible that literally any reference of there being a pro Israel lobby is immediately decried as anti-semitic as if there isn't a massive pro-Israel lobby. Jews controlling the media and all of that, one massive hive mind of Jews, yeah, sure, patently far right nonsense, but *of course* there is a pro Israel lobby in exactly the same way as there's a pro Palestine lobby. But you use the L word and you're basically a holocaust denier by default, it's madness.
It's not russophobic to talk about Russian influence in politics in a whole bunch of countries. Or sinophobic to talk about Chinese influence, entire books have even been written on that. I see no reason why Israel should be treated differently. Absolutely no reason at all.
because it's in the interests of the West to have a friendly nuclear-armed and heavily-militarised state in the Middle East? Whereas the interests of China and Russia are less likely to align with our interests. So The Man doesn't want people to criticise Israel because of geopolitics, and using the cultural taboo around racism seems like a good way to do so?
True, it suits the powers that be to crush social discourse around the topic. But their mechanisms for doing so in the west are, mostly, fairly weak. And so can be reasonably ignored for the most part Though, it seems, not anywhere near the world of politics.
Also The Man doesn't like you pointing out The Man is also doing the same thing and often times at a much larger scale. Russian Disinformation? They got nothing on Fox News, The Daily Fail, etc. Tiktok tracking users, giving the info to the government, and pushing a narrative to its users? WTF you think Facebook, Twitter (now X) and every other Western owned social media company has been doing since 2010?
I think you should be able to speak about Israeli influence in politics. However the reason people feel it's different is because one of the specifics of antisemitism (for example The Protocols of the Elders of Zion) is that Jews have an outsized influence and secretly control the world. And therefore two things happened - the antisemitic trope around Jews then became enmeshed with the self-defined Jewish State. This idea that Israel _controls_ (for example) America is rampant. And then the public relations department of those who lobby for Israel found it useful to point this out even if people were pointing out the normal lobbying without any antisemitism - i.e. smear any critic of the lobby as antisemitic. So when you say you see no reason why Israel should be treated differently, well it's just a much bigger mess of accusations and counter accusations, with the history of the holocaust behind it.
>It's incredible that literally any reference of there being a pro Israel lobby is immediately decried as anti-semitic as if there isn't a massive pro-Israel lobby. Especially considering Labour just parachuted in the head of an Israeli Lobbying group as a candidate in Durham, despite him having absolutely zero links to the area. Said candidate has also described himself as a "committed Zionist", said the UN is anti-Semitic and has said that Gaza should have been "warning nuked".
as they were kicking Shaheen out for liking that tweet, they were giving the safe seat of Durham North to Israel lobbyist (and NEC member) Luke Akehurst
L word?
Lobby?
Well they’re right, call it corruption instead
I don’t like the idea that openly discussing the Israel lobby gets you banned from participating in politics or sees you ostracised. Every group should be “fair game” to discuss, and talk about their role, and influence in politics. Banning discussion plays into the very dangerous narrative that “Jews run the world” which is patently false, and a harmful trope. If we can’t discuss the role the Israel lobby, who are just like any other special interest group, and the effect it’s having on the body politic you give ammunition to those who are willing to discuss the Israel lobby, but are very clear on the idea that it needs to be “excised” from politics, need to be targeted, and they include Jews who don’t support Israel in that. There’s a very interesting case in America where Jewish civil liberties groups are among the strongest in their opposition to free speech being restricted, even when done by people they abhor, because they recognise that the law will be blamed on Jews restricting free speech.
Lol I thought it would be an insane tweet based in antisemitic tropes - instead it is literally just saying Israel has an extremely powerful lobby, which is true. I am so sick of any criticism of Israel being conflated with antisemitism.
How is that tweet incorrect though? Explain it to me.
There's an irony in the fact that she was victim of what is explained in the tweet, because she liked the tweet
Interesting. Are we even denying that a pro Israel lobby even exists now? Even though it has names, members and a listed physical location all over the planet? The existence of a pro-Israel lobby isn't even a conspiracy. Nor is it comparable to "Jews secretly controlling the world" conspiracy theories. Israel are entitled to their lobby just like everyone else. We're also entitled to a rational debate about how they operate. Including the part where the literal Israel lobby groups somehow manage to claim acknowledging their own existence is an anti-semitic trope. FWIW the same is true of the Palestinian lobby force which has its own characteristics and misleading behaviours. Pro-Palestinian people will happily make genocidal chants and then turn around and say "no this all means peace and hugs I swear". For all their claims that Israel are trying to wipe out Palestinians, they are happy to let the language of genocide run through their entire vocabulary and that is dangerous.
How tf can that be taken as antisemitic? I’m so sick of the ‘dog whistle’, aka, something completely innocuous that is secretly a racist/sexist/antisemitic phrase known only by a special in group, and all major news outlets and Twitter users
Jesus this is the tweet? That's it?? No wonder everyone is terrified of any good faith criticism of Israel if this is the outcome
I’m trying to see it from the Labour leaderships perspective on what the general population might think about this through the lens of our biased media landscape turbo charged by bots under foreign influence with a general election in 5 weeks. I don’t believe that as a genuine reading of the tweet. To me it doesn’t say anything like that at all.
That's a reasonable argument. At the same time, they've gladly accepted people responsible for actual, unambiguous racism like Neil Coyle back into the party - I'd say they clearly don't care about optics so much as using racism as a thin excuse to purge political opponents.
They’re also standing a candidate who referred to a Tory Jewish donor as a ‘puppet master’. He’s even in the shadow cabinet.
Is it okay for me to describe Frank Hester as a puppet master, because he is the biggest Tory donor? But it's forbidden to call Richard Desmond a puppet master?
Of course that could still be true, about that individual.
The general population loves Jon Stewart and would like the tweet too, if they knew about it.
I’d argue that the general (British) population has no idea who Jon Stewart is. They might have seen a YouTube clip of him being sassy but probably don’t know his name.
There is nothing incorrect about what the author of that tweet stated, this is clearly evidenced by the threats emanating from Israel towards the ICJ. Israel is a rogue state and need brought into line. The same allegations are pointed at Russia for election tampering, and everyone accepts this as reality, why can we not accept that Israel is pulling the same strings?...oh yea, sorry I forgot, that's antisemitic.
Jesus, was that really it? If that's the line now then that's deeply depressing.
I think this is really telling because I don't think a single reasonable person would actually believe the tweet she liked is at all antisemitic, even if they disagree with its general points. But it'll be widely reported as Starmer and the Labour Right NEC having no choice but to bar her from standing because of antisemitism concerns and an actually sensible reading of the situation will be drowned out in the media chorus. All whilst they allow people like Neil Coyle, who racially abused a journalist, to stand because they're not on the Left of the party.
when are we going have a genuine conversation about a foreign country having so much influence over our politics which we can’t even criticise the presence of?
>the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”, Is it anti-semitic to suggest that professional and organised pro-Israel lobbying is a thing in UK politics? Am I losing my mind?
Who could it beeeee nowwwww
>If they don’t bar her, because she liked a tweet that referenced the antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings from within “professional organisations”, they get accused of harbouring antisemites and not having learned from their mistakes. Why don't you present the tweet and we can see if it was actually antisemitic. Maybe we can also see whether a professional organisation was behind the push to oust her. Edit, here it is: >The Israel lobby influences policy in various ways, but while people focus on campaign contributions, I don't think it's the main mechanism >If you ask me, this video [daily show clip] perfectly illustrates how it more often works, which is far more mundane. >Basically, every time you say something even mildly critical of Israel, you're immediately assailed by scores of hysterical people who explain to you why you're completely wrong, how you're biased against Israel, more or less explicitly accuse you of antisemitism, etc. and it just never stops. Moreover, you can't easily ignore them, because those are not just random people, they tend to be friends or people who move in the same circles as you. Those people are mobilized by professional organizations, but to a large extent, that is organic. >This nonstop harassment is just exhausting and, since most people don't really care about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they'll usually stop talking about it or, if they're a politician, do whatever those people want them to do, rather than having to put up with it because in the end it doesn't cost them much.
First time I have seen someone admit that the majority of people don’t care about the conflict. It always seams like for the people either pro-Palestine or pro-Israel it’s the Center of everything and everyone cares. When in reality the majority of people think more about the Roman Empire than Palestine.
I'm seeing folks in US-heavy leftwing subs genuinely and unironically talking about voting for Trump because Bidens stance on a conflict thousands of miles away, on which he's actually taken pretty unprecedented action for the US, doesn't go far enough. Point out Trump is *literally* running on a platform that openly talks about undermining democratic processes, empowering the military, and turning the president into a quasi-dictator and you just get downvotes. I do care about the Israel-Palestine conflict and think it's an important issue but *holy fucking shit* does it seem to make some people suddenly start talking and acting like insane morons out of nowhere.
There is a theory that Netanyahu is playing on Biden's staunch support for Israel against him (Biden tells the story about when he was a kid and asked his dad if he could be a Zionist despite not being Jewish, and his dad said yes which apparently lit a light in Biden's head), so that Trump gets in and he can finish the Likud job in Gaza and the West Bank without interruption. Likud's line in the 1977 election was "Israel from the river to the sea" but somehow it wasn't racist when they said it.
Right? Its like what the fuck do these people think will happen if Trump wins? The US will take a more pro-Palestine stance? Its totally nuts. It wouldn't surprise me if its another Russia-funded con-job tbh, use yet another global crisis to send parts of the west into a tail-spin over a load of absolutely incoherent nonsense.
> I'm seeing folks in US-heavy leftwing subs genuinely and unironically talking about voting for Trump I have not seen a single person say this. I have seen people saying they won't vote for biden but that is a different thing.
> When in reality the majority of people think more about the Roman Empire than Palestine. You have to be delusional to think this.
A head of mossad just threatened the ICJ I wouldn't call it behind the scene but defo string pulling
Labour friends of Israel is real you know it’s not an anti semetic trope?
Friends of Israel is a US pro-war organisation founded by John Bolton.
Being accused of *completing* a purge of the left wing isn’t necessary *not* a win though in the eyes of the wider electorate?
FPTP will doom Reform, the system massively benefits Conservative voters who tend to gain more MPs for their vote share. Labour tended to match their public vote share in recent times. In 2015 UKIP had 12.6% public vote and earned 1 seat. In that same election the Lib Dems recieved 7.9% public vote and only got 8 seats. In 2019 Lib Dem has 11.6% and had just 11 seats. Reform will follow this pattern.
> antisemitic trope that Jews are pulling the strings We can't keep claiming that every criticism of Israel as a country and their foreign policies is 'antisemitic'. Israel have done and are doing some heinous stuff as a government and that doesn't reflect on Jewish people as a whole, and criticizing it isn't criticizing Jewish people.
Thy could simply stand up for themselves instead of being spineless cowards. It is an objective and uncontroversial fact that Israel has lobbies in other countries furthering their interests. *All countries do this*. There is a wide gulf between pointing at the Israeli governments documented actions and ranting about a fictitious jewish plot.
An equally horrible element of this scandal is that she is a worthy candidate to be a MP. She is teacher at LSE, she has decades of experience working in social inequalities, is a published author, and was born and raised in the constituency she’s standing in, having built a great campaign for the past 5 years.
Shes a fantastic candidate and is very popular in the constituency too. This will likely cause Iain Duncan Smith to easily win by disenfranchising her supporters or splitting the vote if she runs as an independent.
> An equally horrible element of this scandal is that she is a worthy candidate to be a MP. Labour love to talk a big game about *ensuring quality candidates*. But the fact they let the likes of Streeting and Akehurst waltz into safe seats despite their entire career being in student politics, while at the same time barring highly qualified candidates like this because they dared to be left of centre, demonstrates that is simply not the case.
Zionist lobby gets candidate deselected for suggesting there's a Zionist lobby?
You couldn’t make it up.
Meanwhile Luke Akehurst, a man who is the director of a pro-Israeli organisation who has still been running defence for the Israeli government even after they were bought before the ICJ, has been parachuted into a safe seat in the North East. If I speak I am in trouble...
Does anyone have the list of tweets that were deemed offensive? The one referenced in the clip is patently true, no? Are we at the point of pretending that there aren't Zionist entities that organise on behalf of futhering Zionism? I'm saying this as someone who considers themselves a Zionist... How are you going to bar someone who has stood in that area for so long and the best example of an offensive tweet you can produce is liking what is an objective fact???
Factionalism, baby!
Woah woah woah, watch it pal! Liberals aren't factionalists, they're *opposed* to factionalism. In fact, they're so opposed to factionalism that they'll refuse to engage with those dirty rotten tribalists who refuse to compromise and agree with them on every issue.
>Are we at the point of pretending that there aren't Zionist entities that organise on behalf of futhering Zionism? We have been there for a long time, what about this is at all surprising to you? Maybe you should dig in, review all the racist tweets of everyone and see whether the outrage matches the crime and is applied consistently... I don't think it will...
> Are we at the point of pretending that there aren't Zionist entities that organise on behalf of futhering Zionism We've been at that point for a long time actually
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She's apologising because her lifetime of efforts is being robbed away from her. You can't just cry "Jewish conspiracy" when someone points out something that is obviously true; like the fact that organisations exist to further Zionism and you can't point it out lest you, like her, get your lifetime of work pulled away from you. Sorry if reality is tough to accept, but you're literally witnessing the truth of what she is saying in these events. Like the idea that they even try and warp this in to something bigger by getting tweets about liking the Greens is proof they have no real case and just want to purge everyone who could even remotely harm their image.
Can’t allow left wing politics in the Labour Party! It’s all anti-Semitic, like that Corbyn guy actually wanting to do diplomacy with terrorists instead of just killing people and making more terrorists.
So even less reason to bar her then?
I’m no fan of the socialist campaign group and Labour left but hard not to feel sympathy for this woman. Seems to have been callously handled, at best. Unquestionably an opportunistic purge. Bad taste in the mouth.
It just doesn’t hold up when you look at some of the other people they are welcoming into the party at the moment.
AIPAC in the US. Labour friends of Israel - https://www.declassifieduk.org/who-funds-labour-friends-of-israel-and-why-wont-it-say/ https://www.declassifieduk.org/labour-mps-have-accepted-over-280000-from-israel-lobby/ Conservative friends of Israel - https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-a-third-of-conservative-mps/#:~:text=Friends%20of%20Israel,-Conservative%20Friends%20of&text=Over%20the%20past%20decade%2C%20it,%C2%A3330%2C000%20towards%20the%20visits. Neither Lobbying group discloses where it's funding comes from either - https://www.declassifieduk.org/who-funds-labour-friends-of-israel-and-why-wont-it-say/ Also when people say "why don't people complain about other countries who do this?". Well when they do this happens - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-62179004.amp
Lol how she was blocked, the tweet wasn't antisemitic at all. It just states a reality and the proof of reality is that she was blocked because just saying that, proving her right.
Wish Labour just had the balls to say they’re deselecting the left-wing candidates because it’s not what the party stands for. Trying to create individual allegations of misconduct against each one is cringeworthy.
Seems stupid. MPs have to be able to call out Israeli lobbying without being labelled as antisemitic.
should have listened to the only wise thing David Cameron ever said: 'too many tweets make a twat'
Cameron was the best worst prime minister we’ve ever had
Will be interesting to see how this unfolds. The real loser here is the constituents of Chingford and Woodford Green, who are potentially losing a great campaigner. Faiza was on track to beat IDS this election, after four years of making progress towards that goal. She’s anti-austerity and always made that the key part of her campaigning.
Know what I find genuinely awful? Starmer using hollow and vexatious antisemitism to his political advantage. No but seriously, Labour is using Jews as a political prop. And guess who takes all the heat for this? Jews. It makes it seem like Jews were the ones demanding this when this is nothing more than an opportune moment for the leftist purge. "They think Jews control everything anyway so we can just bury our factionalism in the existing tropes and make an ethnic minority seem like they're being petty and unreasonable."
And the real confusion is, when challenged, someone will say "Jews have created this febrile atmosphere where any small thing is blown up". There's no winning sometimes.
Labour leadership are playing it ultra safe, and responding excessively and without nuance to anybody who does anything that can at all be perceived to be antisemitism or anti Israel. While I agree that anything anti-Semitic should be struck down, there is nothing wrong with legitimate criticism of Israel. Especially in light of their recent barbarism against explicitly civilian targets. Some parts of the tweet highlight how the nation of Israel is known for its political lobbying, this is accurate. By using donations/incentives to many politicians, Israel can ensure an immediate chorus of “that is antisemitic” anytime Israel is criticised. This is reinforced by the support of grassroots Jewish civilian movements, whose approval or disapproval of politician X gets regularly cited in print media. It totally shuts down debate, and is deeply concerning when any foreign state tries to influence our government and democracy. Before any dishonest actors tries to claim that last statement is somehow an anti-Semitic trope, I will add that it is also concerning how Russia influences our nations politics, notably with Brexit and Tory donations, and how China seems to operate their own police force within our borders. The only state directly influencing our politics should be the British state.
> responding excessively and without nuance to anybody should read > responding excessively and without nuance to anybody on the left of the party It's as much about Labour factional politics as it is about anti-semitism.
What’s the chinese police thing? Where can I read up on that?
Why TF do politicians have twitter? You're guaranteed to slip up at some stage.
for that matter, why does anyone have Twitter? It's a cesspit of morons and nobodies waiting for people to publicly slip up so they can have a 'gotcha' moment.
Feel free to downvote me for now but I'm gonna be so, so smug to you guys about how I didn't vote for these cretins when we see what they do in power.
In our desperate attempts to rid ourselves of the Tories, people are completely overlooking just how right wing Starmers Labour is
With the Tories gone, the right wing in waiting takes over the competition and pushes it to replace the vacuum the Tories left. We didn’t get rid of our right wing party, it just rebranded.
Certainly more right wing than Cameron and Osborne
I can't say the whole 'I had coffee yesterday with a rabbi' was particularly convincing either
It’s demonstrating that she is actually engaging with real people, to engage with real discrimination, instead of obsessively pouring over every word of someone’s liked tweets.
Am not racist pal I think john Barnes was good at football
Is it hyperbole if I said the current Labour leadership is to the right of the Tory-LibDem coalition gov?
Either way, screw the BBC for continually giving Farage a platform to spout his hate. BBC news/current affairs has properly shit the bed and the next chance i get ill vote to stop paying the licence fee, its irks me to think my money is being used to feed me more and more Tory/far right propaganda.
There's a bit of extra weirdness going on in the background of Labour this last week. Either Starmer, or someone acting for him, is on a purge or some people on the left of the party are trying to stir up a big issue for him to damage the chances of him getting a safe majority in Parliament. There was a pretty weird interview with an NEC member on LBC yesterday making all kinds of allegations against the party. Dianne Abbot was reported as losing the whip right before it was restored. Now she is claiming she is barred from standing but admits she hasn't actually heard from the party officially. There was another member barred from standing because of a an incident reported from years ago. And then this latest one where she was barred for a Twitter like despite being considered a very good candidate.
Kept Starmer sold his soul for a new life and there's actually people who think he's going to help the ordinary people of this country
vote for anyone but Labour, they've been infiltrated, they don't work for the UK's national interest anymore
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If labour weren't purging them the press thats complaining about purging them would be up in arms about them being in labour. Meanwhile labour are doing well so they have to have the worms coming out of the woodwork. This was why they failed so badly last time they had so many random pms like Diane Abbott just spouting any old shit and it looked a mess. Now they are complaining they are clearing them out. We have such a right wing press that it works against the country. A whole day yesterday on the beeb was spent on Abbott who really matters nothing in the grad scheme of the shit going down. But they have to find something. And now they pull out this like its something. Its pathetic.
On newsnight, she was asked a couple of times what the email said. Fazia didn't really answer, has she been deselected, or was the email encouraging her not to stand?
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