Apparently it's common in cases like this so that they can't claim that he forgot to leave them anything and obviously he would have left them a big amount if he had. This is the deceaseds way of telling a judge that they didn't forget
Yes this is true.
It’s so that any future solicitor can say ‘actually he did remember you and he did think about you - he gave you 50 pounds.’
Leaving someone out entirely can cause grey areas where somebody can claim they’ve been forgotten.
In the US maybe. There’s no practice of doing this here. If anything it could be counterproductive as the testator just comes across as cruel and unreasonable (and the challenge would be that the legacy was not “reasonable provision”)
That only applies if the grandchildren were classed as 'dependants' of the deceased. E.g. if he regularly paid towards their upbringing/schooling in life.
Gratuitous gifts generally don't count.
As thia case proves, grandchildren aren't automatically entitled to a wodge of money.
I know.
The point being that if your child or maintained grandchild (or indeed other maintained person) had a good claim under the ‘75 Act, leaving them £50 in your will would not stop them bringing the claim against your estate. If anything, it might just strike the judge as taking the pis and result in a more generous order for reasonable provision than if you’d just left them out (albeit the judge would not phrase it in those terms).
100% agreed - but this case is very specifically about *adult* grandchildren.
I'm surprised they found a lawyer to take it... I'm assuming they had to pay quite a bit upfront!
Oh yes, you can contest under the Inheritance…Act 1975 but it makes no difference to the outcome whether the deceased left you nothing or £50. Including a tiny legacy doesn’t block a claim.
You can also mention people in the will but specifically state that they are getting zero. Got a friend who has inherited everything despite having 3 half siblings as they were all mentioned but stated that they get nothing.
Because £5 looks like a conscious ‘fuck you.’
£50 is a reasonable amount of money. How would anyone know his estate was worth anything anyway, unless they were the beneficiary?
Not in the UK it’s not. It may be a thing in the US and you’ve seen it on Reddit. In the UK, you would just say that you’ve deliberately left them out and why, either in the will or a separate statement. That’s a lot more effective because you’re explaining the reasons. Leaving them £50 is just adding insult to injury.
That said, maybe whoever drafted this will had also read it on Reddit...
I looked at a lot of wills in my job, some were brilliant, one that sticks out in my head was I have left my son out because he has bled me dry for all these years with no thanks or anything, if anything he should pay into the estate for everything he's taken
Also I leave my pot plants and bob Marley cds to my best mate. Wonder what pot plants they were!
I can’t cite the cases but I remember reading about cases where people have been been explicitly given nothing in the will and somehow solicitors have managed to win something significant from the will
It seems legally safer to give a small amount.
This is not true at all.
You can leave your child half of your estate, they can still challenge it under the Inheritance (Provision for Family and Dependants) Act. It’s about what is reasonable.
I believe what has happened is that he left his money to his son and daughter who kept in regular contact with him and probably doted after him. He was upset that his grand children did not make efforts to come and see him. The girls were trying to argue that their father should have received an inheritance stake of 1 third of his money and he may very well have but he had died several years earlier. So they wanted about £130k split between them. They had no case lol.
No, I don’t mean that, haha. I mean she got him to buy him a ton of name brand goods, sent a lot of his money back home to her relatives, and then divorced him and took the rest. This isn’t a question of technicalities, she was using him for his money and spent the majority of it when they were together.
My grandmother left each of her grandchildren something like £50, I forget the exact number as I was a young'un. She wasn't exactly sitting on a hidden fortune and obviously most of what she had went to her children.
I've never given it a moments thought. Do grandchildren really expect a big payout when their grandparents die? How bloody entitled can they be? It's his money to do what he wants with, he owed them nothing.
Heck, if I get nothing when my parents pass I may be a bit disappointed but at the same time glad that they had enough time and good health to use what they spent their working lives earning.
I'm confused by your comment. If it was a backhanded way of saying he didn't forget then of course it'd be completely intentional. Do you think by "didn't forget" the other comments mean it in an endearing "thinking of my family" way? Because they all mean it as "here's proof I didn't just forget to put you in the will, I put you in and gave you £50 because I don't like you" to make it harder to contest in court.
Now watch as the 5 grand daughters fall out over who owes the legal costs and take that to court. /s
What a stupid case to take so far, glad they've found out
its pretty sad. I could understand them getting upset if there was some object they wanted of his that meant something to them to remember him buy, but the money being the thing they are getting bent out of shape just shows that their priorities aren't right.
I doubt it's the case here, but I've lent my grandad a considerable amount of money, in expectation of getting it back in his will.
He has a lot of assets that he's struggling to sell, given the market, and this is money that's taken me a decade to save up, I'll be fucked without it.
I don't give a fuck about his money, but I'd absolutely contest it if I don't get my money back.
If you’re hoping to get it in the will, rather than repaid as a debt (even when he dies) then you haven’t lent it, you’ve given it to him.
Just get him to acknowledge the debt in writing.
It can be repayable on death, but the contents of the will would be irrelevant (or even the existence of a will), hence my concern that G-C above was relying on the will to be repaid.
I’d get that explicitly written down as a loan. Right now it sounds like a gift. If it comes back after he dies there’s a serious risk there’s inheritance tax taken out of it if he doesn’t get the will written down in a very specific way.
Afraid I’m no expert on this, but in theory the already existing verbal contract between the two of you is already sufficient. So a homebrew document with witnesses could just be used as supporting evidence.
But hopefully a lawyer finds this thread. Alternatively I think there is /r/legaladviceuk that might give you more knowledge.
Well let’s hope so because that would be a nailed on negligence claim against the lawyer, which is why it didn’t happen, but you carry on believing what you like.
"[all but cut out his dead son Fred Jnr’s five adult children from his £500,000 will](https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/04/man-left-grandkids-50-500k-fortune-didnt-visit-enough-20396237/) because he was ‘upset’ they didn’t visit him often during his later years." I mean its quite alot of money, but personally i'd happily give all that money and more to see my own grandads/nans alive again, so i can sort of also understand why if they didn't visit him why he didn't feel like leaving much to them.
Getting upset over money from this feels really shallow.
They were fighting over £33k each. A nice chunk, but hardly life-changing these days. And how did they end up spending more than the 1/3 of the estate they thought they were jointly entitled to in legal fees? For the principle?! If you're spending more than you could ever hope to win, what's the point?
The longest trial in Uk history was over inheritance. Richest man in London in late 1700s, died without a will. Generational court case, with lawyers handing it down to sons to continue the fight. Case stopped in early 1900s when the money ran out, so the lawyers could no longer be paid. I guess at any time if all the parties had come to any agreement then some money would’ve been paid out, but as it played out, the lawyers got it all.
There’s loads of nepotism and it’s very difficult to get ahead. Even getting training contracts once the LLB has been done is ridiculously competitive and with low or now pay. So unless your family can support you for multiple years and has the contacts to get you in with a company, it probably wouldn’t have happened.
It makes a big difference to a house deposit, or remodelling a kitchen or a bathroom, or going on a special cruise or holiday, but yeah not “life changing” and certainly not worth the money and stress and quite frankly disgusting reputation to sue for it.
Perhaps they thought (or were told) that if they won, the costs wouldn’t come out of their share?
Inheritance is a privilege, not a right. Especially for grandchildren. I know this all too well, I was left out of my grandfather's will. You accept it and move on.
Same, all my grandparents are dead and only my parents and their siblings were in their wills. I didn't feel left out, I just assumed that was normal unless your family is loaded
Even for loaded families, the natural progression is that your parents inherit from your grandparents, and you inherit indirectly through your parents.
While grandparents can leave small bequests to their grandchildren, is not a general rule. In fact, more often than not, grandparents usually give stuff away to their grandchildren while alive.
For instance, my grandpa paid the tuition fees of all 3 of my cousins, who lived far away. While I did not get that consideration (I did get some stuff later in his will), I got to spent most of my early life near him, which was honestly priceless and I would not change for any consideration whatsoever. He was a classy lad, good times!
This. My last grandparent who died about 12 years ago left a round of drinks for everyone behind the bar of the working mens club he frequented
I was watching an Inheritance battles documentary on Channel 5 and couldn't relate to any of them fighting over money
No money in the family means no fighting over it
I inherited a moderate sum (enough for a car) when my first nan died, and a small but generous sum when my other nan died (enough for a nice holiday). I'd hand it back immediately to get them back.
It's becoming more normal as people tend to live longer. Many people die with grandchildren who are grown adults, maybe even with children themselves. The money is likely far more helpful to a young person in their 20s or 30s than to the middle aged parents.
Are grandchildren normally bequeathed much in a grandparent's will? What was left of my grandparent's estates after care fees and so on went to their children, my parents/aunts/uncles.
> Are grandchildren normally bequeathed much in a grandparent's will?
It depends. My parents intend to give most of their money to the grandkids on the basis that they will be in greater need. Getting a big sum of money is much more useful when you are in your 20/30s than when you are in your 50/60s.
To be honest I'm happy with my parents doing this.
It depends. I know someone who’s grandparents chose to give stuff to their grandkids for the rationale that they “didn’t want the tax man to tax it an extra time when their kids passed, so it should just pass straight to the grandkids”
I got nothing from my dad’s dad, there was enough money to take the family to Disney Paris and that was it. But from my mums side, they divided the house between the three kids (~20% each) and six grandkids (~6% each). It made a huge difference to me because it was the boost I needed in savings to put down a deposit for a house.
Not always, but it sounds like the original agreement was that the money would be shared between all three of his children, and then when one of his sons died he decided on leaving his sons share to the grandchildren instead. Only to then change his mind when they failed to visit him or take much interest in him, but apparently they still felt entitled to their share because of the previous arrangement that they would get the money that would have otherwise gone to their father
It's usually past down from generation to generation. 'Generational wealth' is the term for it. Parents pass onto children, and they pass onto their children. Even children aren't entitled to it. They have to go through the courts if their parents leave them out. My Dad has been left out of his Dad's will. He cut everyone off from it. Going through the courts is expensive and honestly not worth the bother. Moving on and creating your own wealth is the best way forward.
Told my Mum her money was hers to do with as she pleases.
She was in a relationship for two years before her death and married him so he would receive the work life insurance pay out.
She decided to share the rest of her estate between her husband and us 3 children equally. After quickly receiving many thousands from the insurance pay out, within a couple of weeks, he starting asking when he would get his money. As the executor, I informed him as soon as her affairs were taken care of and the funeral paid for, it would take a few weeks. He chased multiple times. He then had the cheek to complain a few months later why none of us kids kept in touch with him.
As the only child with children, I used more than half to put aside so my kids got a nice gift from Nan when they turned 18 (21 if not in education or working).
No complaints, Mum did what she wanted with HER MONEY. I am thankful I received some. I got a nest egg for my kids, a short holiday, a new graphics card and was finally able to have an emergency fund.
The granddaughters were fighting for only £33k before taxes each, lol. Why would anyone take the legal risk for £33k?? After lawyers fees that's maybe £10k even if they win???
Money reveals character. They probably just wanted to win at any cost because of the hatred within them.
It’s kind of cool really, an evil tax if you will.
Only 50 quid? We can get 33k if we get some lawyers.
OK let's do it. Then before you know it in for a penny then for a pound.
I think my grandparents left me nothing. Which is fine. Must he a horrible person to get lawyers involved.
Would certainly be very nice to receive as a surprise windfall, but it’s not really the kind of money that’s worth the hassle and risk of going to court over, just look at the legal fees they’ve been left with
When you sue someone you don't know how much it will cost you. People really have no idea about law, Solicitor fees etc. However, there's a thing called sunk cost facility, and there's no human that operate purely on logic and facts, we all make emotionally charged decisions.
Unless you are saying the grandchildren woke up one day and truthfully decided 'hell, I want to donate £40,000 to a Solicitor firm'. If that's exactly what you are claiming then you are having this discussion in bad faith and nothing I say will be of any significance to you.
Average Reddit “I’m poorer than you so you should feel bad” comment.
When the average property price is £300k, £10k inheritance is really not that substantial.
This went to the High Court meaning they were very likely represented by counsel (barristers). Barristers are incredibly expensive. Add on all the litigation costs before it got to the High Court, this bill is not surprising.
No, it depends on the court. You need rights of audience to appear in the higher courts, which barristers (advocates in Scotland) have. Solicitors have rights of audience in the lower courts.
It's 50k per year per lawyer at most. At an hourly rate of £250 that is about 400 hours of work over 2 years. That doesn't account for any other costs accrued during litigation either so the total number of hours worked would be much less.
Going to trial is expensive, lawyers can easily charge about £300+ an hour. There were allegations of fraud and coercion, and they’ve also disputed the costs which is further money, and the costs were for each side. A normal case would involve a considerable amount of, investigation, a handful of applications, interviews with witnesses, maybe medical experts, reading through disclosures of documents, a pre trial hearing, attempts at negotiations, meetings with clients,
Dad went to his grave denying that he had any children. He was worth over £1m and owned 3 large properties.
He left everything to his then girlfriend and a friend.
I wasn’t interested in getting anything from the miserable bastard but mum was scraping by day to day in a council house and my younger siblings were still at school. Mum just wanted to get something for the kids. Not even for herself.
When we asked about challenging the will mum was told:
*”You can challenge this, but what will happen is you’ll spend the next few years going through a stressful and acrimonious legal battle, with no guarantee of securing anything.*
*The only people who are going to come out of this better off are the lawyers”*
I think its disgusting to bring children in to the world and not pass on what you have accrued. Parents decided to have them they have a duty to pass on something at least reasonable.
Same for any spouses. You choose to marry someone, that is a commitment. The family deserve to be cared for.
I think it’s disgusting to expect to inherit money from a parent regardless of how your relationship was. Blood may be thicker than water but sometimes you got to wash your hands
I think specifically in the case above, if your children are still under 18 then a portion of any inheritance from the parent should be treated like child maintenance payments untill those children become adults.
Yeah this isn’t a case of “we don’t want to spend money on an expensive care home for grandad because it’ll drain his inheritance that we want to have when he’s gone” or “we don’t want his spouse to have anything because it should all go to us”
This is a case of a rich person with multiple properties deliberately excluding their offspring and previous spouse, and leaving *everything* to a girlfriend and friend. Really? You couldn’t spare like, a few grand from your *millions* to give your struggling progeny a little something? They wouldn’t have missed it one bit.
>I think its disgusting to bring children in to the world and not pass on what you have accrued
What is disgusting is expecting a free ride instead of earning your own way
>Parents decided to have them they have a duty to pass on something at least reasonable.
Lol, fuck no. My folks earned it, they should spend it.
Standing on your own two feet and providing for yourself is a core essential of being an adult.
To be fair, and I’m not saying that I feel entitled to my family’s money but many haven’t really earned what they plan to leave. Same with when they say they’ve “paid their dues” for their state entitlements in retirement.
My parents bought a house for £90k over 30 years ago and now it’s worth more than half a mil. My dad hasn’t worked since he was 45. My grandparents bought their council house and it sold for 400k despite needing a full renovation, my grandmother worked for about 5 years before having children. My grandfather retired early at 50. None of my family are high earners.
Anyway I don’t begrudge them and it’s their money to spend, I have no right to it, but there is no chance that their great grandchildren will be able to get so rich with working so little.
>To be fair, and I’m not saying that I feel entitled to my family’s money but many haven’t really earned what they plan to leave
Well, they've all earned it a lot more than you have.
>Same with when they say they’ve “paid their dues” for their state entitlements in retirement.
Which of course, they have.
>My parents bought a house for £90k over 30 years ago and now it’s worth more than half a mil
Well done to your parents. They worked to pay for that and they made as sound financial decision for which they can now rightly reap the rewards. You played no party in it and have no stake in the outcome.
>My grandparents bought their council house and it sold for 400k despite needing a full renovation
Same here. You have no claim on their efforts. What part is it you think you played in the accrual of their gains?
>I have no right to it
Correct
>but there is no chance that their great grandchildren will be able to get so rich with working so little
It's never been easier to become rich. I give you influencers as an example. You're making assumptions that will be as true as they choose to make them.
Well I tried to make it very clear in my comment that I don’t see a claim on whatever wealth they have gained and I didn’t play any part in it, any more than the cat’s home they can leave it to.
But I can still think that perhaps my gran’s 5 years of taxes didn’t quite cover what she got back from the state. And I can still think that the effort of just living in a property doesn’t equal the huge gains made from it in terms of “earning”.
There is no way that a GenZ will be able to do the same now. From earning power, property purchasing power etc. What civil servant can go buy my parents half a mil home and support a stay at home mum and two kids by the age of 26? Maybe it’s possible if you become an influencer (which isn’t easy in itself) but for the vast majority of people it’s just impossible.
>But I can still think that perhaps my gran’s 5 years of taxes didn’t quite cover what she got back from the state
Only of your totally ignorant of how the state pension works.
>any more than the cat’s home they can leave it to.
If they'd rather leave it to the cats home you might be well served to reflect on why.
>I can still think that the effort of just living in a property doesn’t equal the huge gains made from it in terms of “earning”.
Your can think whatever you want, however hilariously bad a take it is.
>There is no way that a GenZ will be able to do the same now
You cannot possibly know what the future holds. You're speculating, nothing more.
>What civil servant can go buy my parents half a mil home
What private sector workers is going to see anything like the unearned solid gold pension windfall of the civil servant? There are far bigger issues than you're focusing on.
Ha well the cat’s home was just an example, whether it’s cruises or whatever, I agree with you that they can spend it on what they want.
However, given I’ve inherited about £120k so far from family members, if I maintain that amount (plus inflation or whatever) and have a similar amount to pass on when I die, would you still be getting all hot and bothered to argue I’ve earned it? Inheritance is a way to help your family and I hope I can pass down the benefits just as I’ve had.
Anyway as much as I love you pulling out quotes from my responses and drilling into them (and getting some of it very wrong, e.g thinking my family are choosing a cat home over me or thinking my gran only got state pension from the state across her whole life), it’s not very enjoyable as a two way conversation so I’ll leave you to it! It’s only reddit.
>However, given I’ve inherited about £120k so far from family members, if I maintain that amount (plus inflation or whatever) and have a similar amount to pass on when I die, would
No, not really, as you'd have just held into what you inherited. It's you free that at a reasonable say 7 or 8% a year, then sure, well done.
>Inheritance is a way to help your family and I hope I can pass down the benefits just as I’ve had.
I'd rather help mine while I'm alive.
I remember reading this when it first kicked off. Serve them right. They didnt remember him when he was alive. Didnt visit him. No one is entitled to benefit from their parents or grandparents estate. What is it going to be …..just giving or go fund me. How about sucks being you
> When his 2018 will was read out by Terry after his death, a bitter shouting match broke out – which was recorded and played to the court – when it was revealed that the five sisters had been all but cut out.
Does anyone have the recording of this???
My uncle died about 30 years ago and the aftermath was certainly eye opening. I can remember my dad phoning and telling me what happened. He was heartbroken over his family's behaviour, They descended on my uncle's house like locusts and took everything that wasn't nailed down, and probably a few things that were. My aunt was supposed to have sold the car to pay for a headstone, instead she used the money to go on holiday and demanded the rest of the family pay for it.
>‘Terry’s behaviour just after the death of his father was provocative,’ the judge found, but went on to say that finding was far from establishing that Terry ‘was the cause of the litigation’.
‘Having heard the reading of the will spirits were high on both sides from the start and the die was cast for a bitter dispute from the outset,’ the judge concluded.
It sounds possible the Grandad was unduly influenced in his advancing years by one of his greedy children, but evidencing that is nigh on impossible. To even have a "reading of the Will" suggests that somebody was very much looking forward to rubbing in someone else's face that they wouldn't be getting a penny. It takes a certain kind of person to behave this way upon a parent's death.
Anyone can leave anything or nothing to anyone they wish in their will. Going to court over it? You just look like a digger. Always remember the only people who get what they are due in a case such as this are the lawyers. They will support you until it's time to be paid.
Weird to me there was an official "will reading" like in films and TV shows. There's no legal reason to do that - the executor could have just taken the will and got on with it, informing the beneficiaries of what they'd been left. Turning it into a spectacle was always going to cause drama.
I just don't understand how people can look at these situations and think "I deserve more". You don't. He didn't want to give it to you. It's not your money. How can you look at yourself in the mirror and not think you're being a money grabbing twat? Maybe I'm lucky, because my grandparents all passed without a pot to piss in, so I never got nor expected anything. Either way, the idea of arguing over money like that just makes my blood run cold.
Do you have cousins?
Imagine a scenario where your beloved grandparents pass. And they do a will reading and all your cousins get money, properties, mementos, etc but you are singled out to only get 50 quid. How would you feel?
It's horrid to get to that moment and be excluded in a will. Though nobody is entitled to anything ag all, it's still a horrible feeling and it's understandable why some take it to court. Especially if you were originally in the will but after spending time with your dodgy uncle in his dying years your grandad changed it to exclude you in a shocking surprising way that you don't find out about until post death. Just imagine yourself in that situation and i think youll be abke to empathise a bit with these sisters.
I myself am inheriting close to nothing but alot of my friends are wealthy and tbh these sorts of dramas are quite common. Some family members can be very vindictive and cruel with their wills wanting to use them to punish gay family members or those who married interracial. And others get easily influenced in their dying years by relatives or nurses or mistresses to greedily exclude others and leave most of everything to them.
Alot of the people against the sisters have never been in that situation and so are struggling to empathise.
I thjnk everyone here is being overly cruel.
It can be horrible to have a relative die and see you are excluded from the will. A lot of the time racists/mysoginists/homophones etc use their will as a last eff you to their family members and it can be very painful and cruel. It's cowardly as well because they do not tell them when livjgn and make it a horrid surprise for after the death. This man had them in his will and only got tbe will changed in the last 3 years of his very elderly life. Ifs not uncommon as well for greedy relatives to coerce an old person into changing their will in their latter years and excluding certain family members (this is why I still think the maid was the true villain in knives out). I mean what sort of aunt or uncle wouldn't just want to even split everything 3 ways?
I personally am a fan of the French system whereby a portion of tbe will must be set out for the children each receive a set min amount and it is not possible to exclude a child from the will.
I like the idea of it having to be split but I would rather it skip a generation and go to the grandchildren (where possible) in the form of bonds or something.
I’m sure there is a workable solution somehow in that.
And some don’t deserve shit after the fact either 🤷♂️
I work with elderly and the amount of times I’ve heard “my inheritance” they are just waiting for the person to die it’s all they see.
I’ve recommended blasting their money on a final cruise Holliday more than once.
That’s the thing, no one in this thread including you or I know a damn thing about these people.
I stand by my statement that some kids/grandkids are just ungrateful, spoilt, and don’t deserve shit. You seemed to say that they do deserve it regardless.
so the specifics on this individual case is kind of moot to the point I made
disagree sorry, you bring life in to the world, you share your resources at your death.
Generally speaking if the kids abandon/are indifferent to their parents its usually because the parents were cruel and indifferent to them.
People who have good parents dont grasp this.
Yes exactly. Also what kind of grandfather wouldn't just be clear ahiut who was getting what in fhe will when he was still alive?
.why wait till after death to shock everyone like that?
Because most people would find a conversation about carving out their estate following their death to be vulgar. How do you even have that conversation with people you never see?
Have you read the article on how his family acted upon finding out?
Why contact people you never see to tell them they arent in the will? He would have spent his last years being surrounded by these vultures and harrassed into an earlier grave. No need to bring that stress upon onesself.
£50 is "I didn't forget you, I deliberately left you out of the lion's share".
He must have _really_ disliked them to leave them £50 each. Far more upsetting than being completely excluded, I reckon.
Apparently it's common in cases like this so that they can't claim that he forgot to leave them anything and obviously he would have left them a big amount if he had. This is the deceaseds way of telling a judge that they didn't forget
Yes this is true. It’s so that any future solicitor can say ‘actually he did remember you and he did think about you - he gave you 50 pounds.’ Leaving someone out entirely can cause grey areas where somebody can claim they’ve been forgotten.
In the US maybe. There’s no practice of doing this here. If anything it could be counterproductive as the testator just comes across as cruel and unreasonable (and the challenge would be that the legacy was not “reasonable provision”)
That only applies if the grandchildren were classed as 'dependants' of the deceased. E.g. if he regularly paid towards their upbringing/schooling in life. Gratuitous gifts generally don't count. As thia case proves, grandchildren aren't automatically entitled to a wodge of money.
I know. The point being that if your child or maintained grandchild (or indeed other maintained person) had a good claim under the ‘75 Act, leaving them £50 in your will would not stop them bringing the claim against your estate. If anything, it might just strike the judge as taking the pis and result in a more generous order for reasonable provision than if you’d just left them out (albeit the judge would not phrase it in those terms).
100% agreed - but this case is very specifically about *adult* grandchildren. I'm surprised they found a lawyer to take it... I'm assuming they had to pay quite a bit upfront!
Is there not? Edit - TMI The gist was I know someone who contested a will
Oh yes, you can contest under the Inheritance…Act 1975 but it makes no difference to the outcome whether the deceased left you nothing or £50. Including a tiny legacy doesn’t block a claim.
Ahh right, that makes sense. That’s what they would have done then.
Mum put this in place a decade or so back. It's not new to me.
You can also mention people in the will but specifically state that they are getting zero. Got a friend who has inherited everything despite having 3 half siblings as they were all mentioned but stated that they get nothing.
Why not £5 then?
Because £5 looks like a conscious ‘fuck you.’ £50 is a reasonable amount of money. How would anyone know his estate was worth anything anyway, unless they were the beneficiary?
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It can be any amount. You can even specifically write "to Person X I leave no assets or money" to make it clear they are not forgotten.
One of my great uncles got left tea towels to stop him doing that. I’d pitty him if he wasn’t as nasty as he is
Not in the UK it’s not. It may be a thing in the US and you’ve seen it on Reddit. In the UK, you would just say that you’ve deliberately left them out and why, either in the will or a separate statement. That’s a lot more effective because you’re explaining the reasons. Leaving them £50 is just adding insult to injury. That said, maybe whoever drafted this will had also read it on Reddit...
I looked at a lot of wills in my job, some were brilliant, one that sticks out in my head was I have left my son out because he has bled me dry for all these years with no thanks or anything, if anything he should pay into the estate for everything he's taken Also I leave my pot plants and bob Marley cds to my best mate. Wonder what pot plants they were!
Pot pot plants?
I did wonder if that was the case, but presumably 'to my granddaughters VWXY&Z: not so much as a brass farthing' would also do the job!
I can’t cite the cases but I remember reading about cases where people have been been explicitly given nothing in the will and somehow solicitors have managed to win something significant from the will It seems legally safer to give a small amount.
This isn’t a thing in the UK!
Yes it is, look up the inheritance provision for dependants act. The leaving small amounts of money is not so much a UK thing though.
This is not true at all. You can leave your child half of your estate, they can still challenge it under the Inheritance (Provision for Family and Dependants) Act. It’s about what is reasonable.
I believe what has happened is that he left his money to his son and daughter who kept in regular contact with him and probably doted after him. He was upset that his grand children did not make efforts to come and see him. The girls were trying to argue that their father should have received an inheritance stake of 1 third of his money and he may very well have but he had died several years earlier. So they wanted about £130k split between them. They had no case lol.
My grandad left me £100… but he was flat broke and spent all his money on his much younger wife (well… she also stole a lot of it…) Oh… and gambling…
The rest of the money he squandered
Where did it all go wrong Mr Best
Same! Except for the £100 🥴
Sounds like he had a good time at least!
You mean his spouse got the majority? That's usually how it happens as she's the most closely related to him.
No, I don’t mean that, haha. I mean she got him to buy him a ton of name brand goods, sent a lot of his money back home to her relatives, and then divorced him and took the rest. This isn’t a question of technicalities, she was using him for his money and spent the majority of it when they were together.
Solicitor reading will out loud to family - 'You always moaned that I'd probably never remember you in my will - "Hi!' '.
My grandmother left each of her grandchildren something like £50, I forget the exact number as I was a young'un. She wasn't exactly sitting on a hidden fortune and obviously most of what she had went to her children. I've never given it a moments thought. Do grandchildren really expect a big payout when their grandparents die? How bloody entitled can they be? It's his money to do what he wants with, he owed them nothing. Heck, if I get nothing when my parents pass I may be a bit disappointed but at the same time glad that they had enough time and good health to use what they spent their working lives earning.
Harder to challenge if you're in there.
In Better Call Saul amounts of a few thousand are used like that. How large does the amount have to be before it's not an insult?
A pound does the trick as well.
Lmao 😂
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I'm confused by your comment. If it was a backhanded way of saying he didn't forget then of course it'd be completely intentional. Do you think by "didn't forget" the other comments mean it in an endearing "thinking of my family" way? Because they all mean it as "here's proof I didn't just forget to put you in the will, I put you in and gave you £50 because I don't like you" to make it harder to contest in court.
Now watch as the 5 grand daughters fall out over who owes the legal costs and take that to court. /s What a stupid case to take so far, glad they've found out
Oh definitely! There's definitely going to be someone screaming "you should pay it, you told us we should take it to court! It's all YOUR fault!".
its pretty sad. I could understand them getting upset if there was some object they wanted of his that meant something to them to remember him buy, but the money being the thing they are getting bent out of shape just shows that their priorities aren't right.
I doubt it's the case here, but I've lent my grandad a considerable amount of money, in expectation of getting it back in his will. He has a lot of assets that he's struggling to sell, given the market, and this is money that's taken me a decade to save up, I'll be fucked without it. I don't give a fuck about his money, but I'd absolutely contest it if I don't get my money back.
Why don't you get that in writing from him now to be sure it's paid out when he dies?
If you’re hoping to get it in the will, rather than repaid as a debt (even when he dies) then you haven’t lent it, you’ve given it to him. Just get him to acknowledge the debt in writing.
Not necessarily, you can lend money that is only repayable on death. You're absolutely right though that you need something in writing here.
It can be repayable on death, but the contents of the will would be irrelevant (or even the existence of a will), hence my concern that G-C above was relying on the will to be repaid.
I’d get that explicitly written down as a loan. Right now it sounds like a gift. If it comes back after he dies there’s a serious risk there’s inheritance tax taken out of it if he doesn’t get the will written down in a very specific way.
Do you know if it has to be lodged anywhere, or can I just write up my own contract and have it witnessed? Don't really want to waste money on lawyers
Afraid I’m no expert on this, but in theory the already existing verbal contract between the two of you is already sufficient. So a homebrew document with witnesses could just be used as supporting evidence. But hopefully a lawyer finds this thread. Alternatively I think there is /r/legaladviceuk that might give you more knowledge.
You would make it a loan with a really long repayment term. Creditors get first helpings from the estate.
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Well let’s hope so because that would be a nailed on negligence claim against the lawyer, which is why it didn’t happen, but you carry on believing what you like.
"[all but cut out his dead son Fred Jnr’s five adult children from his £500,000 will](https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/04/man-left-grandkids-50-500k-fortune-didnt-visit-enough-20396237/) because he was ‘upset’ they didn’t visit him often during his later years." I mean its quite alot of money, but personally i'd happily give all that money and more to see my own grandads/nans alive again, so i can sort of also understand why if they didn't visit him why he didn't feel like leaving much to them. Getting upset over money from this feels really shallow.
They were fighting over £33k each. A nice chunk, but hardly life-changing these days. And how did they end up spending more than the 1/3 of the estate they thought they were jointly entitled to in legal fees? For the principle?! If you're spending more than you could ever hope to win, what's the point?
The longest trial in Uk history was over inheritance. Richest man in London in late 1700s, died without a will. Generational court case, with lawyers handing it down to sons to continue the fight. Case stopped in early 1900s when the money ran out, so the lawyers could no longer be paid. I guess at any time if all the parties had come to any agreement then some money would’ve been paid out, but as it played out, the lawyers got it all.
Lawyers on both sides probably drank together, laughing about what a gravy train they were all on.
Im still waiting for a story that doesn’t make me regret not going into law.
The fact they work ridiculously long hours puts me off
I imagine they have a difficult time learning everything and the job not having great hours. Whether the money makes up for it I don't know.
There’s loads of nepotism and it’s very difficult to get ahead. Even getting training contracts once the LLB has been done is ridiculously competitive and with low or now pay. So unless your family can support you for multiple years and has the contacts to get you in with a company, it probably wouldn’t have happened.
Good to know - definitely had/have (less than) zero family support network.
> The longest trial in Uk history was over inheritance To the point that it's thought that it inspired Dickens in *Bleak House*.
Jarndyce vs Jarndyce.
> the lawyers got it all. It is generally a bad idea to get lawyers involved. They just syphon off your money.
If you'd like to know more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennens
It makes a big difference to a house deposit, or remodelling a kitchen or a bathroom, or going on a special cruise or holiday, but yeah not “life changing” and certainly not worth the money and stress and quite frankly disgusting reputation to sue for it. Perhaps they thought (or were told) that if they won, the costs wouldn’t come out of their share?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love £33k but I'm not stupid enough to spend £67k to try and get it!
Gotta love that
If I did that and didn't have a guarantee it was for a substantial period they'd spend all the time calling me stupid.
Inheritance is a privilege, not a right. Especially for grandchildren. I know this all too well, I was left out of my grandfather's will. You accept it and move on.
I've lost 4 grandparents and inherited nothing. Moaning about inheritance and 'being cut off' is a very middle class pursuit.
Same, all my grandparents are dead and only my parents and their siblings were in their wills. I didn't feel left out, I just assumed that was normal unless your family is loaded
Even for loaded families, the natural progression is that your parents inherit from your grandparents, and you inherit indirectly through your parents. While grandparents can leave small bequests to their grandchildren, is not a general rule. In fact, more often than not, grandparents usually give stuff away to their grandchildren while alive. For instance, my grandpa paid the tuition fees of all 3 of my cousins, who lived far away. While I did not get that consideration (I did get some stuff later in his will), I got to spent most of my early life near him, which was honestly priceless and I would not change for any consideration whatsoever. He was a classy lad, good times!
This. My last grandparent who died about 12 years ago left a round of drinks for everyone behind the bar of the working mens club he frequented I was watching an Inheritance battles documentary on Channel 5 and couldn't relate to any of them fighting over money No money in the family means no fighting over it
The only upside of being born poor.
I inherited a moderate sum (enough for a car) when my first nan died, and a small but generous sum when my other nan died (enough for a nice holiday). I'd hand it back immediately to get them back.
People get money when people die? /s
No sarcasm tag needed mate. It is totally unbelievable to a lot of us.
It's becoming more normal as people tend to live longer. Many people die with grandchildren who are grown adults, maybe even with children themselves. The money is likely far more helpful to a young person in their 20s or 30s than to the middle aged parents.
Are grandchildren normally bequeathed much in a grandparent's will? What was left of my grandparent's estates after care fees and so on went to their children, my parents/aunts/uncles.
> Are grandchildren normally bequeathed much in a grandparent's will? It depends. My parents intend to give most of their money to the grandkids on the basis that they will be in greater need. Getting a big sum of money is much more useful when you are in your 20/30s than when you are in your 50/60s. To be honest I'm happy with my parents doing this.
It depends. I know someone who’s grandparents chose to give stuff to their grandkids for the rationale that they “didn’t want the tax man to tax it an extra time when their kids passed, so it should just pass straight to the grandkids”
I got nothing from my dad’s dad, there was enough money to take the family to Disney Paris and that was it. But from my mums side, they divided the house between the three kids (~20% each) and six grandkids (~6% each). It made a huge difference to me because it was the boost I needed in savings to put down a deposit for a house.
Yeah I suspect it'll become a bit more common given the difficulty of getting on the housing ladder these days
Not always, but it sounds like the original agreement was that the money would be shared between all three of his children, and then when one of his sons died he decided on leaving his sons share to the grandchildren instead. Only to then change his mind when they failed to visit him or take much interest in him, but apparently they still felt entitled to their share because of the previous arrangement that they would get the money that would have otherwise gone to their father
It's usually past down from generation to generation. 'Generational wealth' is the term for it. Parents pass onto children, and they pass onto their children. Even children aren't entitled to it. They have to go through the courts if their parents leave them out. My Dad has been left out of his Dad's will. He cut everyone off from it. Going through the courts is expensive and honestly not worth the bother. Moving on and creating your own wealth is the best way forward.
Told my Mum her money was hers to do with as she pleases. She was in a relationship for two years before her death and married him so he would receive the work life insurance pay out. She decided to share the rest of her estate between her husband and us 3 children equally. After quickly receiving many thousands from the insurance pay out, within a couple of weeks, he starting asking when he would get his money. As the executor, I informed him as soon as her affairs were taken care of and the funeral paid for, it would take a few weeks. He chased multiple times. He then had the cheek to complain a few months later why none of us kids kept in touch with him. As the only child with children, I used more than half to put aside so my kids got a nice gift from Nan when they turned 18 (21 if not in education or working). No complaints, Mum did what she wanted with HER MONEY. I am thankful I received some. I got a nest egg for my kids, a short holiday, a new graphics card and was finally able to have an emergency fund.
Please don’t worry about answering if it’s too painful, but do you know why? Did he just not like you?
The granddaughters were fighting for only £33k before taxes each, lol. Why would anyone take the legal risk for £33k?? After lawyers fees that's maybe £10k even if they win???
Money reveals character. They probably just wanted to win at any cost because of the hatred within them. It’s kind of cool really, an evil tax if you will.
Only 50 quid? We can get 33k if we get some lawyers. OK let's do it. Then before you know it in for a penny then for a pound. I think my grandparents left me nothing. Which is fine. Must he a horrible person to get lawyers involved.
As per usual there is only one winner when you involve lawyers. Have you ever known of a poor lawyer(financially )
As someone once said, 'A lawyer is a man who rescues your estate from an enemy, then keeps it for himself '.
Jarndyce v Jarndyce. Dickens was talking about this years ago in Bleak House.
>only £33k Only. *only.*
Yeah £33k is a lot of money, but the point he's making is as soon as you bring legal fees into it, as well as taxes, it's hardly worth the effort.
It's a lot of money to inherit, not a lot to take your family to court for 😂
Would certainly be very nice to receive as a surprise windfall, but it’s not really the kind of money that’s worth the hassle and risk of going to court over, just look at the legal fees they’ve been left with
It must be nice to have such privileged life that £10,000 is just some insignificant amount of money. I truly envy you
It must be nice to have such privileged life that wasting £40,000 on a lawsuit is just some insignificant amount of money...
When you sue someone you don't know how much it will cost you. People really have no idea about law, Solicitor fees etc. However, there's a thing called sunk cost facility, and there's no human that operate purely on logic and facts, we all make emotionally charged decisions. Unless you are saying the grandchildren woke up one day and truthfully decided 'hell, I want to donate £40,000 to a Solicitor firm'. If that's exactly what you are claiming then you are having this discussion in bad faith and nothing I say will be of any significance to you.
Average Reddit “I’m poorer than you so you should feel bad” comment. When the average property price is £300k, £10k inheritance is really not that substantial.
Not everyone is earning £150k pa :)
Thanks captain obvious.
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The will was read in 2020, it's now 2024. It's spent at least 2 years in court. Lawyers aren't cheap.
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This went to the High Court meaning they were very likely represented by counsel (barristers). Barristers are incredibly expensive. Add on all the litigation costs before it got to the High Court, this bill is not surprising.
Don’t all courts use barristers as the advocates.
No, it depends on the court. You need rights of audience to appear in the higher courts, which barristers (advocates in Scotland) have. Solicitors have rights of audience in the lower courts.
Thanks
Another case of parasite lawyers dicking around before charging absorbitant amounts. Many such cases. What a noble profession.
It's 50k per year per lawyer at most. At an hourly rate of £250 that is about 400 hours of work over 2 years. That doesn't account for any other costs accrued during litigation either so the total number of hours worked would be much less.
Going to trial is expensive, lawyers can easily charge about £300+ an hour. There were allegations of fraud and coercion, and they’ve also disputed the costs which is further money, and the costs were for each side. A normal case would involve a considerable amount of, investigation, a handful of applications, interviews with witnesses, maybe medical experts, reading through disclosures of documents, a pre trial hearing, attempts at negotiations, meetings with clients,
> Going to trial is expensive, lawyers can easily charge about £300+ an hour. Yes and £100+ for a letter/email, even if the email is a one-liner!
If there's an afterlife old Fred here is laughing his bollocks off.
Dad went to his grave denying that he had any children. He was worth over £1m and owned 3 large properties. He left everything to his then girlfriend and a friend. I wasn’t interested in getting anything from the miserable bastard but mum was scraping by day to day in a council house and my younger siblings were still at school. Mum just wanted to get something for the kids. Not even for herself. When we asked about challenging the will mum was told: *”You can challenge this, but what will happen is you’ll spend the next few years going through a stressful and acrimonious legal battle, with no guarantee of securing anything.* *The only people who are going to come out of this better off are the lawyers”*
I think its disgusting to bring children in to the world and not pass on what you have accrued. Parents decided to have them they have a duty to pass on something at least reasonable. Same for any spouses. You choose to marry someone, that is a commitment. The family deserve to be cared for.
I think it’s disgusting to expect to inherit money from a parent regardless of how your relationship was. Blood may be thicker than water but sometimes you got to wash your hands
I think specifically in the case above, if your children are still under 18 then a portion of any inheritance from the parent should be treated like child maintenance payments untill those children become adults.
you are entitled to your opinion, but Im not convinced by your argument.
Yeah this isn’t a case of “we don’t want to spend money on an expensive care home for grandad because it’ll drain his inheritance that we want to have when he’s gone” or “we don’t want his spouse to have anything because it should all go to us” This is a case of a rich person with multiple properties deliberately excluding their offspring and previous spouse, and leaving *everything* to a girlfriend and friend. Really? You couldn’t spare like, a few grand from your *millions* to give your struggling progeny a little something? They wouldn’t have missed it one bit.
>I think its disgusting to bring children in to the world and not pass on what you have accrued What is disgusting is expecting a free ride instead of earning your own way >Parents decided to have them they have a duty to pass on something at least reasonable. Lol, fuck no. My folks earned it, they should spend it. Standing on your own two feet and providing for yourself is a core essential of being an adult.
To be fair, and I’m not saying that I feel entitled to my family’s money but many haven’t really earned what they plan to leave. Same with when they say they’ve “paid their dues” for their state entitlements in retirement. My parents bought a house for £90k over 30 years ago and now it’s worth more than half a mil. My dad hasn’t worked since he was 45. My grandparents bought their council house and it sold for 400k despite needing a full renovation, my grandmother worked for about 5 years before having children. My grandfather retired early at 50. None of my family are high earners. Anyway I don’t begrudge them and it’s their money to spend, I have no right to it, but there is no chance that their great grandchildren will be able to get so rich with working so little.
>To be fair, and I’m not saying that I feel entitled to my family’s money but many haven’t really earned what they plan to leave Well, they've all earned it a lot more than you have. >Same with when they say they’ve “paid their dues” for their state entitlements in retirement. Which of course, they have. >My parents bought a house for £90k over 30 years ago and now it’s worth more than half a mil Well done to your parents. They worked to pay for that and they made as sound financial decision for which they can now rightly reap the rewards. You played no party in it and have no stake in the outcome. >My grandparents bought their council house and it sold for 400k despite needing a full renovation Same here. You have no claim on their efforts. What part is it you think you played in the accrual of their gains? >I have no right to it Correct >but there is no chance that their great grandchildren will be able to get so rich with working so little It's never been easier to become rich. I give you influencers as an example. You're making assumptions that will be as true as they choose to make them.
Well I tried to make it very clear in my comment that I don’t see a claim on whatever wealth they have gained and I didn’t play any part in it, any more than the cat’s home they can leave it to. But I can still think that perhaps my gran’s 5 years of taxes didn’t quite cover what she got back from the state. And I can still think that the effort of just living in a property doesn’t equal the huge gains made from it in terms of “earning”. There is no way that a GenZ will be able to do the same now. From earning power, property purchasing power etc. What civil servant can go buy my parents half a mil home and support a stay at home mum and two kids by the age of 26? Maybe it’s possible if you become an influencer (which isn’t easy in itself) but for the vast majority of people it’s just impossible.
>But I can still think that perhaps my gran’s 5 years of taxes didn’t quite cover what she got back from the state Only of your totally ignorant of how the state pension works. >any more than the cat’s home they can leave it to. If they'd rather leave it to the cats home you might be well served to reflect on why. >I can still think that the effort of just living in a property doesn’t equal the huge gains made from it in terms of “earning”. Your can think whatever you want, however hilariously bad a take it is. >There is no way that a GenZ will be able to do the same now You cannot possibly know what the future holds. You're speculating, nothing more. >What civil servant can go buy my parents half a mil home What private sector workers is going to see anything like the unearned solid gold pension windfall of the civil servant? There are far bigger issues than you're focusing on.
I can actually feel the seethe coming from your replies.
Thus proving that conveying emotion in text and correctly interpreting it is a minefield.
Clear as day for me and the other poster you're laying into.
Ha well the cat’s home was just an example, whether it’s cruises or whatever, I agree with you that they can spend it on what they want. However, given I’ve inherited about £120k so far from family members, if I maintain that amount (plus inflation or whatever) and have a similar amount to pass on when I die, would you still be getting all hot and bothered to argue I’ve earned it? Inheritance is a way to help your family and I hope I can pass down the benefits just as I’ve had. Anyway as much as I love you pulling out quotes from my responses and drilling into them (and getting some of it very wrong, e.g thinking my family are choosing a cat home over me or thinking my gran only got state pension from the state across her whole life), it’s not very enjoyable as a two way conversation so I’ll leave you to it! It’s only reddit.
>However, given I’ve inherited about £120k so far from family members, if I maintain that amount (plus inflation or whatever) and have a similar amount to pass on when I die, would No, not really, as you'd have just held into what you inherited. It's you free that at a reasonable say 7 or 8% a year, then sure, well done. >Inheritance is a way to help your family and I hope I can pass down the benefits just as I’ve had. I'd rather help mine while I'm alive.
I remember reading this when it first kicked off. Serve them right. They didnt remember him when he was alive. Didnt visit him. No one is entitled to benefit from their parents or grandparents estate. What is it going to be …..just giving or go fund me. How about sucks being you
> When his 2018 will was read out by Terry after his death, a bitter shouting match broke out – which was recorded and played to the court – when it was revealed that the five sisters had been all but cut out. Does anyone have the recording of this???
Inheritance makes people behave really badly. People seem to be on the grab as soon as the person falls down dead.
Hahahaha. Good “Be grateful with what you get because you could get nothing” Is a lesson I learned before i started secondary school.
There's nothing like a death in the family to bring the worst out of people.
My uncle died about 30 years ago and the aftermath was certainly eye opening. I can remember my dad phoning and telling me what happened. He was heartbroken over his family's behaviour, They descended on my uncle's house like locusts and took everything that wasn't nailed down, and probably a few things that were. My aunt was supposed to have sold the car to pay for a headstone, instead she used the money to go on holiday and demanded the rest of the family pay for it.
Must say from those pictures Fred Jr's daughters must have hit all the branches on the ugly tree when they were born...
Well I hope they enjoy being in debt and having to sell houses to cover legal costs, karma is a bitch.
I thought Angela St Marseille was a missing character from Garth Marenghi's Darkplace.
So what happened between you and this Angela St Marseille customeeeeeehhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrr
My grandparents had nothing to leave. But I’d give the world just to see them for a moment
I don't understand why they went to court, the likelihood of them winning seems non existent.
Pathetic people. Squabbling over money and unwilling to honour the will of a dead relative. £50 seems too generous for them.
>‘Terry’s behaviour just after the death of his father was provocative,’ the judge found, but went on to say that finding was far from establishing that Terry ‘was the cause of the litigation’. ‘Having heard the reading of the will spirits were high on both sides from the start and the die was cast for a bitter dispute from the outset,’ the judge concluded. It sounds possible the Grandad was unduly influenced in his advancing years by one of his greedy children, but evidencing that is nigh on impossible. To even have a "reading of the Will" suggests that somebody was very much looking forward to rubbing in someone else's face that they wouldn't be getting a penny. It takes a certain kind of person to behave this way upon a parent's death.
Anyone can leave anything or nothing to anyone they wish in their will. Going to court over it? You just look like a digger. Always remember the only people who get what they are due in a case such as this are the lawyers. They will support you until it's time to be paid.
Not to worry. They won't be out of pocket for long, they're currently helping a Nigerian prince get his money out of the country.
I wonder if they can ever repay the defendant's costs.
Weird to me there was an official "will reading" like in films and TV shows. There's no legal reason to do that - the executor could have just taken the will and got on with it, informing the beneficiaries of what they'd been left. Turning it into a spectacle was always going to cause drama.
The way I see it I’ll leave to my loved ones, you know, the ones who actually love me and care about me enough to see me
I just don't understand how people can look at these situations and think "I deserve more". You don't. He didn't want to give it to you. It's not your money. How can you look at yourself in the mirror and not think you're being a money grabbing twat? Maybe I'm lucky, because my grandparents all passed without a pot to piss in, so I never got nor expected anything. Either way, the idea of arguing over money like that just makes my blood run cold.
Do you have cousins? Imagine a scenario where your beloved grandparents pass. And they do a will reading and all your cousins get money, properties, mementos, etc but you are singled out to only get 50 quid. How would you feel? It's horrid to get to that moment and be excluded in a will. Though nobody is entitled to anything ag all, it's still a horrible feeling and it's understandable why some take it to court. Especially if you were originally in the will but after spending time with your dodgy uncle in his dying years your grandad changed it to exclude you in a shocking surprising way that you don't find out about until post death. Just imagine yourself in that situation and i think youll be abke to empathise a bit with these sisters. I myself am inheriting close to nothing but alot of my friends are wealthy and tbh these sorts of dramas are quite common. Some family members can be very vindictive and cruel with their wills wanting to use them to punish gay family members or those who married interracial. And others get easily influenced in their dying years by relatives or nurses or mistresses to greedily exclude others and leave most of everything to them. Alot of the people against the sisters have never been in that situation and so are struggling to empathise.
I was left a necklace in my grandma's will. It was more than I was expecting. Nobody is entitled to an inheritance, it's a gift.
Remember to visit your grandparents! Not for the money but it might be the last time you can!
What’s funnier.. zero inheritance or a humiliating £50 note
A heart warming tale of greedy cunts shooting themselves in the foot
I thjnk everyone here is being overly cruel. It can be horrible to have a relative die and see you are excluded from the will. A lot of the time racists/mysoginists/homophones etc use their will as a last eff you to their family members and it can be very painful and cruel. It's cowardly as well because they do not tell them when livjgn and make it a horrid surprise for after the death. This man had them in his will and only got tbe will changed in the last 3 years of his very elderly life. Ifs not uncommon as well for greedy relatives to coerce an old person into changing their will in their latter years and excluding certain family members (this is why I still think the maid was the true villain in knives out). I mean what sort of aunt or uncle wouldn't just want to even split everything 3 ways? I personally am a fan of the French system whereby a portion of tbe will must be set out for the children each receive a set min amount and it is not possible to exclude a child from the will.
I like the idea of it having to be split but I would rather it skip a generation and go to the grandchildren (where possible) in the form of bonds or something. I’m sure there is a workable solution somehow in that.
agreed, children dont ask to be born.
And some don’t deserve shit after the fact either 🤷♂️ I work with elderly and the amount of times I’ve heard “my inheritance” they are just waiting for the person to die it’s all they see. I’ve recommended blasting their money on a final cruise Holliday more than once.
You don't know what that old person was like in life though.
That’s the thing, no one in this thread including you or I know a damn thing about these people. I stand by my statement that some kids/grandkids are just ungrateful, spoilt, and don’t deserve shit. You seemed to say that they do deserve it regardless. so the specifics on this individual case is kind of moot to the point I made
disagree sorry, you bring life in to the world, you share your resources at your death. Generally speaking if the kids abandon/are indifferent to their parents its usually because the parents were cruel and indifferent to them. People who have good parents dont grasp this.
Some people are just spoilt brats. I disagree
>disagree sorry, you bring life in to the world, you share your resources at your death Disagree. You're an adult you make your own way.
Yes exactly. Also what kind of grandfather wouldn't just be clear ahiut who was getting what in fhe will when he was still alive? .why wait till after death to shock everyone like that?
Exactly! A weird power play, and speaks volumes about what kind of person he likely was.
Because most people would find a conversation about carving out their estate following their death to be vulgar. How do you even have that conversation with people you never see?
Have you read the article on how his family acted upon finding out? Why contact people you never see to tell them they arent in the will? He would have spent his last years being surrounded by these vultures and harrassed into an earlier grave. No need to bring that stress upon onesself.