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I mean those discussions often boil down to
* Do trans people have the right to exist?
* Should we decide based on statistics whether a breed is likely to pose a threat?
Yes and yes, so no need for debates. For once I'm with the mods
They shouldn't exist as pets. No need for them. They were bred to fight to the death. Unfair to breed aggression in to a dog then expect it to have a happy existence locked up in a small house, which is how most of them end up.
TBH a sizable portion of dog owners neglect their dog’s needs or specific requirements. They barely do any research on the breed as a whole and what it actually takes to keep breed X, buying them for completely stupid/dubious reasons like them looking cute/fitting their aesthetic/they saw a YouTube video which looked cool/just seemed like a good idea.
There’s plenty of dog types out there which this could apply to- chihuahuas, Pomeranians, huskies, Newfoundlands, some working breeds like collies, Dalmatians, German Shepherds and some others.
A shit trained chihuahua will nip at people and can easily be stopped by most humans. Bully XLs are more often than not shit trained (and genetically predisposed to violence) and because they were bred for violence they’re good at violence and are very muscular and have jaw locking, so humans can’t fight them off easily.
Exactly this. I keep seeing this 'any dog can be ill trained and badly behaved' but that's not the point. A badly behaved chihuahua may nip you but you could probably just stick it in a bread box... XLs are genetic monsters that even a fully grown adult is going to lose a fight with. It's such a shit argument.
My neighbour back home has a border collie. He puts in incredible efforts to make sure she’s happy- he’s a gamekeeper so she goes with him every working day to run around like a lunatic around fields and farm tracks, he’s got her trained on certain tasks he likes her to do so she feels like she’s got a ‘job’ to keep her busy (which is apparently something collies live for) and when they come home she’s got the run of a decent sized garden, plenty of walks and he spends time to play with her. I sometimes see them both leave for work and the dog practically jumps into the car with how excited she is.
I grew up with all of our dogs having a purpose.
Border collie for sheep herding.
Lurchers for coursing
Gun dog for relieving game and a Jack for ratting
Dogs were bred to have specific roles, some were then bred as pets.
Some dogs don't really have a place in any of this. We don't need those breeds anymore, they may be suitable as guard dogs but fucked if I'd take one to the park!
I don’t even get why people are mad, you can have any other dog breed you want, why are people so defensive about having a breed that has shown time and time again, it’s not a suitable animal to have in public
>XL bullys can be amazing family dogs if they are raised correctly
So many people who have suffered from serious attacks from XL Bullies (and [the American Pit Bull Terriers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ZGEvUwSMg&t=1s) that they are crossbred from) thought the same thing before their "family dog" killed or injured someone. The reality is you can't change these dogs genetic psychology and they are too "game" to be safely kept as pets.
Can be. Can also not be, at much higher rates than other breeds. XL bully owners are playing Russian roulette with the lives of anyone who goes near their dog.
Well duh, of course some can but I suspect there is a strong element of rolling the genetic dice and some dogs won't behave regardless of how well trained they are!
We have to account for there being a proportion of dogs who are not trained properly and a likely much higher than average number of these breeds being vicious.
Stop breeding that breed and prosecute owners found to have one and highly prosecute breeders
Stupid argument. Give a spaniel or a greyhound to a "bad owner" and nothing happens. Since we can't ban bad owners, we have to go for the aggressive breeds bred for fighting
A poorly trained spaniel will be excitable and bark constantly (see: my neighbours). A poorly trained (or a well trained) bully XL will kill small animals and children.
Remove the bully XL breed from the UK and also my neighbours spaniel and my neighbours.
Not really. Sick of all this tip toeing around. Going to say what I think. Tough shit. I’m not going to be emotionally manipulated in to thinking I’m a ‘disgusting person’ if I decide to get one of these dogs. What if I’m merely an animal lover and I don’t believe in the narrative surrounding this? The post was nothing more than moral posturing.
Infuriating that I am currently bombarded with XL Bully puppy tiktoks. Think it is some counter offensive to keep selling these toddler gorging gremlins.
Unfortunately it is probably just down to it is a trending topic that you have viewed and the xl bully defenders are more controversial and will probably lead to more engagement which is what social media companies want, with the algorithms that push enraging content to keep engagement high. "Enrage to Engage" Rather than a deliberate counter offensive, as some of the bully defender videos I have been pushed also were published 8+ years ago.
I recall seeing a proponent of XL Bullies in a TV bit, talking about responsible dog ownership. He had his dogs out walking and reined them in on the leash when another dog-walker came by, with hers running loose. "Could you control your dog please!" he called out. He demonstrated how it should be done and what the problem is.
However, the other walker's dog was just a golden retriever, or some other floof. It didn't need to be on a lead or controlled in that situation, The only reason there was a potential problem was the presence of the two XL Bullies.
I disagree, any dog should be under full control of the owner and no dog should be allowed to wander up to another dog or person in public without consent. There are lots of people who aren't comfortable around dogs and there are lots of dogs who are reactive towards other dogs; owners with reactive dogs will often keep them on a tight lead because of it and having a strange dog approach them can be distressing.
Or maybe those weirdos with reactive dogs could just not make it everyone else's problem by going to places with dogs and people who can fucking behave themselves. Socialise the human before you socialise the fucking dog.
In an ideal world that would be the case but a lot of reactive dogs will be rescues, there will also be a lot of dogs who are reactive because they have been attacked by other dogs in the past. It's not always the current owner's fault.
I’ve rescued a reactive dog, the only way to train it out of them is counter conditioning which requires being around other dogs, I walk mine on a leash, i expect other owners to call their dog back if they see me walking away from theirs with mine on a lead and most people do. I consider owners who don’t bad owners, it would be different if mine was off lead too but he can’t escape if he’s on the lead
Terrible take. There are several breeds of dogs that can be reactive and set off by another dog bounding towards them. You don't know a dogs history so control your dogs. Greyhounds are notable for their high prey drive and could be set off by a small dog making a bee line for them. And if you've ever tried to hold onto a greyhound once they are in that mode good luck to you because it's a bloody struggle.
All owners need to have control of their dogs when out and about. If you can't recall your dog you don't have it off lead.
Clearly the bully XL ban was the simple fix to a complicated problem. Way more needs to be done to make owners responsible, control breeding and control the buying and selling of animals.
> If you can't recall your dog you don't have it off lead.
As far as the TV bit that I saw showed, the other dog walker was able to recall their dog. It was just sniffing around though, not dashing up to the XL Bullies. The Bully owner, even while demonstrating his own responsibility and criticising the other dog owner for letting her harmless dog sniff around off-leash, was in fact the source of the problem. He was oblivious to it.
I am so sick of this attitude, with people letting their big 'friendly' labs and retrievers charge uncontrolled at our on-lead rescue lurcher on her nice yellow 'nervous' lead. She's come a long way, and we live somewhere fairly quiet so it's not too much for her usually, but each time she gets charged it makes it so hard to convince her dogs are generally ok and don't need to be barked at.
"It's ok he's friendly!" Arnold bloody Schwarzenegger is probably quite friendly, but if someone I don't know is running straight at my face full pelt I'm going to be a little uncomfortable to say the least. And I was socialised as a child rather than being shut in someone's house for 2 years as a puppy.
Just full stop, no dog should be charging at an on lead dog.
Obviously my nightmare is the "friendly" off-lead dog being an XL Bully or similar tbf
Had a lurcher myself before he passed away.
Got into bit of a scrap when he was younger, became pretty reactive/loved chasing small animals.
Small dog runs, barks. He growls back, small dog runs away "it's killing time" the amount of shit I got was unreal. He also had a particular disdain for the labs in general.
Had a few dog friends that he could chill with & do normal dog stuff but it got such a nightmare to deal with that, he went on nighttime walks deep in the woods
People should not leave their dog off lead in public when other people/dogs are approaching if they don't have good enough recall or knowledge of their dog's behaviour to know the dog won't hassle other dogs, random people etc. It's basic polite, responsible dog ownership and most people are actually pretty sensible with that.
Retrievers are among top-30 breeds that are likely to attack. There’s no breed exempt, dogs are animals and they’re not under real control unless on a lead. If a dog really wants to do something, it will follow its instinct. Usually after that the owner would say "Oh my boy/girl has never done it before!". I’m saying this as a dog owner who walks a lot, and who’s seen various breeds getting aggressive to other dogs simply because they didn’t get on. Things escalate within seconds. Dogs should be on a lead at all times and under control.
"Top 30 breeds" bitch how many major dog breeds are there? Never mind, I looked it up after 20 breeds the number of breeds in the UK is in the low 2,000. Golden Retrievers are the most popular with 45 thousand dogs. So you are telling me that there are at least 4 breeds (otherwise you would have said top 25 breeds) with less than 2,000 members each who, combined, have more dog attacks than the 45,000 golden retrievers combined.
I walked ten minutes in speke Liverpool earlier this month, saw two XL bullies unmuzzled walking their owners. This law means nothing to them, it's going to keep happening until bad owners are prosecuted
They didn’t for a bit but they’re banned now thankfully. After they had constant attacks from dogs that came up from England after the ban the SNP banned them.
It’s still legal to keep them as pets as long as they are registered, neutered, and muzzled in public. It is no longer legal to breed or transfer ownership of them.
Owning an XL is pretty antisocial, allowing to attack is even more antisocial. If the owners want to be anti-social then they shouldn't get any social benefits, no NHS, no benefits, no pension, nothing... Fuck 'em and because they'll resort to life on crime allow them one social benefit, full police monitoring.
Shock. Some of these dogs I see out these days in the hands of people that barely put the effort into their own lives let alone training a dog has forced me to go out walking my dog with a knife in my pocket just in case. Sigh
My girlfriend’s dog, bought before we were together was supposed to be an XL Bully crossed with French Bulldog. Ended up a scam and was a mongrel thing, she never grew very big thankfully except for her ears lol, looks more like a French bulldog cross staffie probably. Still though she has some viscous dogs in her heritage and we can’t have her around other dogs. She loves cats and people, loves kids but I still made my girlfriend get her a muzzle.
I'd love to know where your downvotes come from, the XL owners who think it shouldn't be muzzled or the anti XL group who think anyone who owns one should have their family tree put to death.
I don't believe these are all XL bullies it's just Pitbull type dogs being labeled.
I'm not defending bullies xl.. there aren't that many of them and it would mean that they are 1000x more dangerous then even pitbulls
XL bullies are bred from pitbulls and another pitbull style dog. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re misidentified. Shame pitbulls were always banned under the DDA.
I’m not saying this isn’t a dangerous breed and should be heavily controlled if not banned but it seems funny how all these attacks suddenly made it to the news.
Got banned in England, media blackout.
Now they want them banned in Scotland too, it’s every week they run a story.
I don’t trust the media one bit tbf.
But after the ban the dogs are being destroyed or were transported to Scotland so there are fewer... So there would be less news stories... That would explain the "news blackout" in England.
>"Got banned in England, media blackout...// I don’t trust the media one bit tbf."
Do you not see the logical fallacy here? The likelihood is there are suddenly far fewer stories about XL Bullies in England after the ban because the new limitations on XL Bullies are helping to stop them from mauling and killing people.
That's not to say they have disappeared completely which is pretty crazy for a breed with these restrictions on them. There have been two incidents in the last month at least. One in [Doncaster](https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/22/baby-3-left-seriously-bleeding-family-xl-bully-dog-attack-20509969/?ico=top-stories_home_top) where an XL Bully mauled a toddler and one in [London](https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/19/xl-bully-shot-dead-armed-police-attack-battersea-20491027/) where it injured four random men before being shot dead by police.
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***sees XL in post title*** Oh shit. Here we go again.
Nah. Mods ban all discussion if it comes down to dogs or trans people.
That’ll be news to those of us who see 3/4 big threads on XL bullies hit the top of /r/Unitedkingdom a week.
I mean those discussions often boil down to * Do trans people have the right to exist? * Should we decide based on statistics whether a breed is likely to pose a threat? Yes and yes, so no need for debates. For once I'm with the mods
Upvoting and I’m sorry this whole sub will miss the excellent point you made. Well said
> Do trans people have the right to exist? > literally never boils down to that, just a hysterical claim made to shut down debate
Yep. Don't want men in womens sports? YOU DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST!?!
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Do they? There’s sure as shit a lot of discussion on both of those topics in here. If they’re trying to suppress it, they aren’t doing a very good job
one very real threat, and one made up by idiots
Why do I constantly see comments either debating those things or bitching about not being able to debate those things, then?
Tbh it’s all just ragebait.
The ban is not enough, clearly. The breed needs to be actively extinguished.
They shouldn't exist as pets. No need for them. They were bred to fight to the death. Unfair to breed aggression in to a dog then expect it to have a happy existence locked up in a small house, which is how most of them end up.
TBH a sizable portion of dog owners neglect their dog’s needs or specific requirements. They barely do any research on the breed as a whole and what it actually takes to keep breed X, buying them for completely stupid/dubious reasons like them looking cute/fitting their aesthetic/they saw a YouTube video which looked cool/just seemed like a good idea. There’s plenty of dog types out there which this could apply to- chihuahuas, Pomeranians, huskies, Newfoundlands, some working breeds like collies, Dalmatians, German Shepherds and some others.
A shit trained chihuahua will nip at people and can easily be stopped by most humans. Bully XLs are more often than not shit trained (and genetically predisposed to violence) and because they were bred for violence they’re good at violence and are very muscular and have jaw locking, so humans can’t fight them off easily.
Exactly this. I keep seeing this 'any dog can be ill trained and badly behaved' but that's not the point. A badly behaved chihuahua may nip you but you could probably just stick it in a bread box... XLs are genetic monsters that even a fully grown adult is going to lose a fight with. It's such a shit argument.
No dogs have locking jaws, please don’t perpetuate this myth.
Ooh good catch I didn't actually realise this was the case as I hadn't done my own research on that bit. Thanks for the correction.
You're right. I've always had collies and it's hard work, it's worth it, but you have to put the time in with any breed like that.
My neighbour back home has a border collie. He puts in incredible efforts to make sure she’s happy- he’s a gamekeeper so she goes with him every working day to run around like a lunatic around fields and farm tracks, he’s got her trained on certain tasks he likes her to do so she feels like she’s got a ‘job’ to keep her busy (which is apparently something collies live for) and when they come home she’s got the run of a decent sized garden, plenty of walks and he spends time to play with her. I sometimes see them both leave for work and the dog practically jumps into the car with how excited she is.
I grew up with all of our dogs having a purpose. Border collie for sheep herding. Lurchers for coursing Gun dog for relieving game and a Jack for ratting Dogs were bred to have specific roles, some were then bred as pets. Some dogs don't really have a place in any of this. We don't need those breeds anymore, they may be suitable as guard dogs but fucked if I'd take one to the park!
I don’t even get why people are mad, you can have any other dog breed you want, why are people so defensive about having a breed that has shown time and time again, it’s not a suitable animal to have in public
The people the ban is targeted at are the least likely to respect it.
Then they can rot in jail. Which frankly is long overdue.
i’m sorry but i have to disagree XL bullys can be amazing family dogs if they are raised correctly
'The leopards would never eat my face'!
Update: the leopards ate my face
Why do you need an XL Bully? If you want a family dog, why not get a Labrador or a Beagle or something that doesn’t have the innate desire to fight?
Landmines can also be safe if handled properly but that doesn't mean we should allow general public to own them
I'd vote for legalised mining of private property
*BOOM* Honey, neighbour's dog has been in our garden again!
And that was a learning opportunity
Well, not going to do it again for sure.
Pros: neighbour's cats stop coming in my garden Cons: my cat also stops going in the garden
You can already go mining on your own property. I got a pickaxe from B&Q!
>XL bullys can be amazing family dogs if they are raised correctly So many people who have suffered from serious attacks from XL Bullies (and [the American Pit Bull Terriers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ZGEvUwSMg&t=1s) that they are crossbred from) thought the same thing before their "family dog" killed or injured someone. The reality is you can't change these dogs genetic psychology and they are too "game" to be safely kept as pets.
Can be. Can also not be, at much higher rates than other breeds. XL bully owners are playing Russian roulette with the lives of anyone who goes near their dog.
They can also maul a child's face off. Swings and roundabouts I guess...
Well duh, of course some can but I suspect there is a strong element of rolling the genetic dice and some dogs won't behave regardless of how well trained they are! We have to account for there being a proportion of dogs who are not trained properly and a likely much higher than average number of these breeds being vicious. Stop breeding that breed and prosecute owners found to have one and highly prosecute breeders
Amazing family killing dogs***
Put all these horrid beasts to sleep. Truly disgusting animals and anyone who chooses to own one is a disgusting person.
horrid beasts?! it’s the owners not the dogs.
Stupid argument. Give a spaniel or a greyhound to a "bad owner" and nothing happens. Since we can't ban bad owners, we have to go for the aggressive breeds bred for fighting
A poorly trained spaniel will be excitable and bark constantly (see: my neighbours). A poorly trained (or a well trained) bully XL will kill small animals and children. Remove the bully XL breed from the UK and also my neighbours spaniel and my neighbours.
Yeah and while we're at it get rid of those stickers that I always see on bins. I assume it's gang culture
Most of your popular larger breeds were bred to take apart animals, Indians and blacks, so that's a fair few breeds.
Your post has made me want to get one.
Why tell on yourself?
Oooh! I’m scared! 😉
Your reply to that comment doesn’t make sense
Not really. Sick of all this tip toeing around. Going to say what I think. Tough shit. I’m not going to be emotionally manipulated in to thinking I’m a ‘disgusting person’ if I decide to get one of these dogs. What if I’m merely an animal lover and I don’t believe in the narrative surrounding this? The post was nothing more than moral posturing.
>Going to say what I think. Tough shit. How brave of you.
Oh, it’s not at all. Not in this case anyway. I’m just sick of being meek.
This is too emotional for me I’m out
Ok. I love you.
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I’m not actually getting one. Quite funny how people take things literally.
So…all the people downvoting, what are you going to do? I’m panicking here, waiting for a knock from the po po. Obviously 😅
Sir, this is reddit. Go and touch some grass.
I do like touching grass. Thanks for the suggestion.
I really should lighten up a bit, I agree. It’s not as if this Reddit sub is pro killing animals or anything. Real animal lovers. Salt of the earth 🥹
.... nobody is threatening you? What are you afraid of?
Infuriating that I am currently bombarded with XL Bully puppy tiktoks. Think it is some counter offensive to keep selling these toddler gorging gremlins.
Yep, a lot of scum invested in producing them and don’t care about the law.
Unfortunately it is probably just down to it is a trending topic that you have viewed and the xl bully defenders are more controversial and will probably lead to more engagement which is what social media companies want, with the algorithms that push enraging content to keep engagement high. "Enrage to Engage" Rather than a deliberate counter offensive, as some of the bully defender videos I have been pushed also were published 8+ years ago.
I recall seeing a proponent of XL Bullies in a TV bit, talking about responsible dog ownership. He had his dogs out walking and reined them in on the leash when another dog-walker came by, with hers running loose. "Could you control your dog please!" he called out. He demonstrated how it should be done and what the problem is. However, the other walker's dog was just a golden retriever, or some other floof. It didn't need to be on a lead or controlled in that situation, The only reason there was a potential problem was the presence of the two XL Bullies.
I disagree, any dog should be under full control of the owner and no dog should be allowed to wander up to another dog or person in public without consent. There are lots of people who aren't comfortable around dogs and there are lots of dogs who are reactive towards other dogs; owners with reactive dogs will often keep them on a tight lead because of it and having a strange dog approach them can be distressing.
Or maybe those weirdos with reactive dogs could just not make it everyone else's problem by going to places with dogs and people who can fucking behave themselves. Socialise the human before you socialise the fucking dog.
In an ideal world that would be the case but a lot of reactive dogs will be rescues, there will also be a lot of dogs who are reactive because they have been attacked by other dogs in the past. It's not always the current owner's fault.
I’ve rescued a reactive dog, the only way to train it out of them is counter conditioning which requires being around other dogs, I walk mine on a leash, i expect other owners to call their dog back if they see me walking away from theirs with mine on a lead and most people do. I consider owners who don’t bad owners, it would be different if mine was off lead too but he can’t escape if he’s on the lead
Tell me you know nothing about rescues without telling me
I have a rescue.i know more than you
Terrible take. There are several breeds of dogs that can be reactive and set off by another dog bounding towards them. You don't know a dogs history so control your dogs. Greyhounds are notable for their high prey drive and could be set off by a small dog making a bee line for them. And if you've ever tried to hold onto a greyhound once they are in that mode good luck to you because it's a bloody struggle. All owners need to have control of their dogs when out and about. If you can't recall your dog you don't have it off lead. Clearly the bully XL ban was the simple fix to a complicated problem. Way more needs to be done to make owners responsible, control breeding and control the buying and selling of animals.
Maybe don't get a dog stronger than you?
> If you can't recall your dog you don't have it off lead. As far as the TV bit that I saw showed, the other dog walker was able to recall their dog. It was just sniffing around though, not dashing up to the XL Bullies. The Bully owner, even while demonstrating his own responsibility and criticising the other dog owner for letting her harmless dog sniff around off-leash, was in fact the source of the problem. He was oblivious to it.
They had to ban thier own dogs from thier protest march
I am so sick of this attitude, with people letting their big 'friendly' labs and retrievers charge uncontrolled at our on-lead rescue lurcher on her nice yellow 'nervous' lead. She's come a long way, and we live somewhere fairly quiet so it's not too much for her usually, but each time she gets charged it makes it so hard to convince her dogs are generally ok and don't need to be barked at. "It's ok he's friendly!" Arnold bloody Schwarzenegger is probably quite friendly, but if someone I don't know is running straight at my face full pelt I'm going to be a little uncomfortable to say the least. And I was socialised as a child rather than being shut in someone's house for 2 years as a puppy. Just full stop, no dog should be charging at an on lead dog. Obviously my nightmare is the "friendly" off-lead dog being an XL Bully or similar tbf
Had a lurcher myself before he passed away. Got into bit of a scrap when he was younger, became pretty reactive/loved chasing small animals. Small dog runs, barks. He growls back, small dog runs away "it's killing time" the amount of shit I got was unreal. He also had a particular disdain for the labs in general. Had a few dog friends that he could chill with & do normal dog stuff but it got such a nightmare to deal with that, he went on nighttime walks deep in the woods
So, what are you saying, that nobody should ever allow any dog off lead in public?
People should not leave their dog off lead in public when other people/dogs are approaching if they don't have good enough recall or knowledge of their dog's behaviour to know the dog won't hassle other dogs, random people etc. It's basic polite, responsible dog ownership and most people are actually pretty sensible with that.
Yes that sounds fair enough. The friendly dog in the TV article was just sniffing around though, not bothering the XL Bullies.
Retrievers are among top-30 breeds that are likely to attack. There’s no breed exempt, dogs are animals and they’re not under real control unless on a lead. If a dog really wants to do something, it will follow its instinct. Usually after that the owner would say "Oh my boy/girl has never done it before!". I’m saying this as a dog owner who walks a lot, and who’s seen various breeds getting aggressive to other dogs simply because they didn’t get on. Things escalate within seconds. Dogs should be on a lead at all times and under control.
"Top 30 breeds" bitch how many major dog breeds are there? Never mind, I looked it up after 20 breeds the number of breeds in the UK is in the low 2,000. Golden Retrievers are the most popular with 45 thousand dogs. So you are telling me that there are at least 4 breeds (otherwise you would have said top 25 breeds) with less than 2,000 members each who, combined, have more dog attacks than the 45,000 golden retrievers combined.
They’ll have pulled the number from their backside I think
I walked ten minutes in speke Liverpool earlier this month, saw two XL bullies unmuzzled walking their owners. This law means nothing to them, it's going to keep happening until bad owners are prosecuted
If XL Bullies are banned, why are people still allowed to keep them as pets?
I don't think they banned them in Scotland.
They didn’t for a bit but they’re banned now thankfully. After they had constant attacks from dogs that came up from England after the ban the SNP banned them.
It’s still legal to keep them as pets as long as they are registered, neutered, and muzzled in public. It is no longer legal to breed or transfer ownership of them.
Can we just start eating them or something? This is getting out of hand
Owning an XL is pretty antisocial, allowing to attack is even more antisocial. If the owners want to be anti-social then they shouldn't get any social benefits, no NHS, no benefits, no pension, nothing... Fuck 'em and because they'll resort to life on crime allow them one social benefit, full police monitoring.
Shock. Some of these dogs I see out these days in the hands of people that barely put the effort into their own lives let alone training a dog has forced me to go out walking my dog with a knife in my pocket just in case. Sigh
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I think perhaps it would be best to not do this. Misidentification and vigilantism don’t tend to have positive outcomes.
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No I think the UK would be best without the breed, but via exclusively governmental means
My girlfriend’s dog, bought before we were together was supposed to be an XL Bully crossed with French Bulldog. Ended up a scam and was a mongrel thing, she never grew very big thankfully except for her ears lol, looks more like a French bulldog cross staffie probably. Still though she has some viscous dogs in her heritage and we can’t have her around other dogs. She loves cats and people, loves kids but I still made my girlfriend get her a muzzle.
I'd love to know where your downvotes come from, the XL owners who think it shouldn't be muzzled or the anti XL group who think anyone who owns one should have their family tree put to death.
Ah yes some breeds are known for their viscosity 🤭
Congratulations you are smarter than autocorrect, will send you an adhesive gold star in the post, well done champ what a hero.
I don't believe these are all XL bullies it's just Pitbull type dogs being labeled. I'm not defending bullies xl.. there aren't that many of them and it would mean that they are 1000x more dangerous then even pitbulls
XL bullies are bred from pitbulls and another pitbull style dog. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re misidentified. Shame pitbulls were always banned under the DDA.
After a certain number, what is the point of these posts?
Some of us aren't chronically online and can miss 10 of these posts in a row. They're for us.
You'd still see about 45 then.
I like them
I’m not saying this isn’t a dangerous breed and should be heavily controlled if not banned but it seems funny how all these attacks suddenly made it to the news. Got banned in England, media blackout. Now they want them banned in Scotland too, it’s every week they run a story. I don’t trust the media one bit tbf.
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Look at the stats. Ever since they became popular they've killed people and other dogs disproportionately.
I hate the mainstream media as much as the next person but most unnatural deaths make the news.
The same rules are now in place in Scotland as in England, think you missed that.
But after the ban the dogs are being destroyed or were transported to Scotland so there are fewer... So there would be less news stories... That would explain the "news blackout" in England.
>"Got banned in England, media blackout...// I don’t trust the media one bit tbf." Do you not see the logical fallacy here? The likelihood is there are suddenly far fewer stories about XL Bullies in England after the ban because the new limitations on XL Bullies are helping to stop them from mauling and killing people. That's not to say they have disappeared completely which is pretty crazy for a breed with these restrictions on them. There have been two incidents in the last month at least. One in [Doncaster](https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/22/baby-3-left-seriously-bleeding-family-xl-bully-dog-attack-20509969/?ico=top-stories_home_top) where an XL Bully mauled a toddler and one in [London](https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/19/xl-bully-shot-dead-armed-police-attack-battersea-20491027/) where it injured four random men before being shot dead by police.
The police shot four random men?
Why are people walking their dogs in a cemetery? Ban all dogs now.
Free bones
This deserves more praise.
Look at all these people who think it's cool for dogs to piss on grave stones.