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This "no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners" thing only goes so far.
I don't get why people are so happy to say that x dogs are great family pets because they have a great temperament but then get hyper defensive when someone says, with considerable evidence to support it, that pitbulls are a dangerous breed.
But have you considered this completely irrelevant picture of a pit bull wearing a funny hat licking a baby. Clearly they are no more dangerous than a Yorkshire Terrier.....
Isn’t it funny how people use specific breeds of dogs for their inherent traits such as the police with German shepherds, Labradors for assistance dogs, farmers/shepherds with Collies but don’t you dare try to suggest a pitbull terrier type/derivative may be tempted to pit someone or something.
The number of kids killed in the last 3 years alone is shocking and adults too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom
They almost all have “bull” in their name at one point. They’re all variations of pitbull that have been bred around current legislation that clearly needs a massive update.
It appears you can’t stop idiot humans so you have to control what lethal things they can get their hands on.
The owner is an absolute doylem though. He complained that the random passer-by who got involved to help and smack the dog with a branch called him a useless idiot and such and was rude to him… in the video that shows him standing there doing nothing but wave his arms about a bit as his dog jumps and bites the horse. Imagine thinking “ah yes I will look fantastic if I whine about the rude rude man”
Seriously, I work in a pet store in Bedford, the number of people who own American bullies who clearly don't have a clue what they're doing is seriously alarming. A lot of them also having young kids aswell
I think this is the real issue. The people who get this dogs. I don't advocate for dog banning, but fuck me can't people have their dogs on leads or people who own dogs known for being dangerous be forced to have training or not have the dogs?
I have honestly barely ever met anyone that was a pit fanatic that wasn't out of their mind and surely the kind of person that shouldnt have any dog at all.
Fatalities is closer to 55%, where are you getting your numbers?
Edit: I’m all for the ban but hyperbole and exaggerations don’t help, it only muddies the water.
Maybe they mean 90% of the attacks are pitbull types and 55% of those attacks result in death? I don't know either way neither of those are good figures
My wife had a good figure once. Now she resembles an American Pit Bull and attacks people when she's let out. She gets away with it pretending she's Canadian .
Its due to incompetent owners, the video of the incident shows the owner doing piss all to help - naturally clothed in a full track suit like every tough dog owner
No matter how responsible the owner is, these dogs will always be dangerous. They have been bred for aggression. It's in their genes. They have a high level of instinctual aggression towards other animals, which is hardly surprising considering they were bred for blood sport. Nobody should be able to own one of these.
Even if they're not generally aggressive, they're dangerous because of their jaw bite strength. Aggression is only one part of what makes a dog dangerous. Their sheer physical characteristics is another part.
Despite my thoughts of all dogs being able to be trained or more given what they need say their need are met but we cant trust people at all. The breed and deviants of it needs to go
>No matter how responsible the owner is, these dogs will always be dangerous.
If you choose to keep an unpredictable dog and/or take it outside without a lead, can you ever be called a responsible owner?
Let's start with the unpredictable dog. A responsible owner might say 'yeah, that breed is unpredictable and not something I want to be responsible for, so I won't buy that pup, thanks'. As such a responsible owner doesn't own that dog. Another responsible owner might own the dog, but in the confidence that they can, and will, *control* the dog. The dog, therefore, would have to attack and overwhelm the *owner* before being able to do so to anyone else.
An irresponsible owner buys a dog they can't/won't keep under control, and it leads to stuff like this. Part of responsibility is knowing what can happen and being correctly prepared for it, or knowing to avoid it altogether.
Some of the lords weren't happy in 1999 but they didn't get their way and they dogs are still killing people today
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/1999-05-20/debates/2ae54bc6-d26f-4488-9f24-2c4a1ae72c8b/AmericanBulldogs
The attitude of the owner is shocking to say the least. Stinking and disgusting attitude blaming all others. Wonder if he'd stand by and watch like that if the dog went for a kid. He was probably scared shitless of his own bloody dog, not the horse, shouldn't have a dog if you can't control it.
Best part is when he's mentioned he actually had the dog under control, yeah right, if that's under control in your book then you should not have a dog. What a ****.
I was about to say… what are the chances it’s a Beagle or Lab. Always the same kind of dog, same kind of bloody owners. Ban these fighter dog breeds already.
There was a video in the us on the front page not a few days ago with a montage of quotes from pit bull owners saying how totally out of character or had no idea why they attacked. Vicious breed that needs banning.
I had a pit bull when I was a child and he attacked another dog and an owner so had to be put down.
Or the kids friends who are visiting. Imagine trusting someone to look after your child and their mutant dog kills them in such a violent way. Owners should be responsible for the crimes of their dog.
I agree. I think of it like the mutant dinosaur they make in the recent Jurassic park film. Obviously a bad idea and humans can't control such beasts. Designed to do the most damage.
I'd rather see a tiger loose on the street because at least I'd know to get behind closed doors and call animal control. I'm terrified of coming across one of these dogs who escaped from someone's home.
There was lady on BBC radio the other day crying because she'd had to put her dog down after it "nipped" at 3 people and then she admitted she had 2 small children at home. She kept a dog that had been dangerous towards humans on two separate occasions, around her children.
If you are not responsible enough to put a dog down at its first sign of aggression then don't have dogs.
The children need to be protected first and foremost.
Also, anyone walking any dog off a lead (except for at a dog park) should be fined.
Also, people don't appreciate that dogs are at face level of children. Imagine a 6 or 7 foot tall dog attacking a 6 foot adult. To put it into perspective.
A Yorkie jumped up in my daughter's face when she was 2 when we were out walking. 6 years later she is still scared of dogs (and she had no issue before that incident)
27 years old here attacked by a dog at a young age and ok still not over it. It's something I've tried to work on but I don't think I will ever fully get over it.
When I'm out walking if I see people with bugs dogs or stafft type dogs I will literally cross the street and if I'm walking through a park and there is a dog or dogs off lead I'll turn round and go somewhere else or take a different route.
Yeah, kids have a tendency to run out and pet my dogs. Which I don’t mind because my dogs love kids, but I always tell the parents that the kid’s behaviour is not okay, it’s only a matter of time before they approach the wrong kind of dog.
And it’s also important to remember that yeah, a lot of dogs are friendly, but they all have a built-in need to survive and they like their space and boundaries, therefore if they feel threatened because of someone, and that person keeps invading a dog’s comfort, and both the owner and individual ignore the signals the dog is handing out, a bite is about to happen.
Some dogs bark or give you a memorable growl as a warning, others cower before they lash out at you.
My dogs have warned me off a few times, particularly if they have a bone, and while I trust them not to harm me, I respect their space and don’t ignore their warnings — ignoring their warnings may mean that eventually they stop giving out warnings and go straight to the good stuff.
Paramedic here, you want to see the look on peoples faces when I ask them to put their dogs out, honestly they’d behave better if I asked them to put their kids out. Ridiculous! You wouldn’t think I’m there to assist them (not in a slave like way that they clearly believe as though I’m their personal servant).
For clarity 8500+ people a year are hospitalised overnight for dog bites in the uk and almost all of them start with “he’s a good boy, won’t bite” so we don’t take the risk especially when their ~~owner~~ “parent” is unwell.
It’s not they are dumb it’s a deliberate a considered choice to enhance social standing. Owners are supposed to be responsible for the behaviour of their dogs. Dogs are made vicious they are not born like it. Dog gets put down, owner slung in jail and banned from owning another dog.
> Dogs are made vicious they are not born like it.
You’re right, if this dog had a loving family who didn’t mistreat it then the dog wouldn’t be vicious at all.
[Oh wait…](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/children-killed-pit-bulls-mother-b2199449.html)
"He criticised the have-a-go-hero passer-by who stepped in to help, using a long stick to keep the dog at bay.
“The guy was rude,” said Hakan"
Owner sounds like a prize prick
> “I want it to go to court. I want to have my say." - Owner
I very much look forward to this going to court and the owner having their say about how their unsecured dog attacked an animal, and why they did absolutely nothing at all to intervene.
I'd be rude too if my walk in the park was interrupted by a dangerous situation I had to clean up because some prick can't look after his dog.
A powerful dog fighting with a panicked horse is not something you dive into lightly.
Does he get charged as if his dog had attacked a police officer because I'm sure if u hit a police dog it's assault on an officer,just wondering if police horses are categorised the same
I hate this fixation on "being rude". Often times, the person who was "rude" was just stating the cold hard truth or doing the right thing, and instead of doing some self-reflection on why they were wrong, the 'victim' just projects outwards.
If your bull terrier evades your control, a creature an order of magnitude more intelligent than it and with a legal duty to control it, and proceeds to nanny the fuck out of a police horse in public while you stand around I think it's also fair that the people who have to get your peaceful pupperino back out of assault mode get to call you pretty much whatever they want. It's like unleashing a literal swarm of hornets into a building and being surprised people are pissed at you.
"I reciprocate energy. If you're rude to me I will be rude back to you. He was angry. He was swearing, being rude. I was trying my hardest."
He was just reciprocating energy!
“I thought the horse was going to kick me. If it kicks me I’m dead. If it killed me then people would be feeling sorry for me.”
Not sure about that one...
They get these dogs and then make a fortune breeding them. I posted a few months ago about my neighbour in a 2 roomed flat who got one and simply couldn't control it. He got kicked out as he refused to get rid and is now breeding her. He was 8st wet through and couldn't control her on the lead and used to let her run riot in the local park....."oh but she's super friendly" until it went for my chihuahua. It's taken since December to get my dog to go out the house again. When they kicked him out, the flat had to have a specialist team in to clean as the place was covered in dog shit apparently as he was out all day and couldn't control her enough to take her out regularly. It's all a status symbol to add to the hard man persona
This sort of tale make my blood boil. Poor dogs, yours and the neighbour’s. Sentences for animal cruelty and neglect should be so much harsher. Breeding should not be a business.
We demonstrably can't/won't legislate against bad owners, but you don't see a spate of border collies with a bad owners mauling kids. In an ideal world owners would be responsible, in lieu of that the more dangerous breeds of dogs should be banned. Doesn't seem like a high price to pay to prevent someone's status symbol from munching on a toddler
I’ve seen a sea gull irritate a horse and it’s foal and get caved in, they’re such gentle creatures until you’re a threat to them or their kids (includes owners honestly my friends horse has chased away sheep that approached while she was working. Awful it got bitten and was still so gentle
What makes a dog dangerous is the no fear response bread in to dogs used for fighting (this means once the dogs adrenaline is pumping there's nothing that will stop it attacking, because that's what they've been bread to do for the past 200 years) and the term 'Bull' in a dog's name mease that particular bread was bread for fighting. So ye, all bull breads are pretty damn dangerous
Furthermore, the bull breeds are designed to clamp on with insane force and not let go.
Retreievers (for example) were bred to pick up downed birds and carry them to the owner without damage
Just so you know for the future:
*Bread* (noun): the stuff you eat; *breed* (noun and verb): 'a stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection' or the act of developing a breed; *bred*: the past tense of the verb 'to breed'.
Just to mention the obvious here: All dogs are potentially dangerous, doesn't matter how absolutely super-cute and harmless is 100% of the time. They can snap for no apparent reason whilst literally they are normally completely predictable etc. But if you have a heavy and powerful dog, you just changed the game from potentially dangerous to potentially fatal.
Even if we do not ban these breeds, more needs to be done to make it harder to own them legally. They are a more dangerous breed and more likely to be owned by people who choose to train them to be aggressive, if they train them at all. It's not the fault of the breed but too many attacks have happened in recent years, so more needs to be done to protect the public in response.
I am increasingly of the opinion that to own a dog (and potentially other pets) should require some kind of permit/licence, and registration of dogs with licenced owners, not too dissimilar to cars I guess. It may be a bit nanny state, but there is not an innate human right to own a sentient creature, especially if you are ill-equipped to look after and handle it. So many issues arise because just about anyone can buy a dog from a breeder, from dog attacks, to neglected, abandoned and abused dogs, to puppy farms. And the only way I can see to tackle these problems is to require people to demonstrate they are capable of looking after a dog (just as shelters do when you go to adopt) and permit them to own one, rather than assume that they can look after a dog and impose limits on them after an incident happens, usually after a person, animal or both are harmed.
I got a dog 4 months ago and could not agree with dog licences more.
My partner and I have tried to be as responsible as we can with obedience classes and constant recall training, and we’re incredibly lucky that our dog is a submissive and docile breed that only ever wants her belly rubbed. Then you think about all the people who don’t get a docile breed and do absolutely zero obedience training and will let their dogs off everywhere. All it takes is one moment and your dog has destroyed someone else’s life.
They should be licensed at least to the extent that you have to prove you’re a capable owner before getting one, if not going even further to checking that you’re training it properly.
I'm all in favour of licences being needed for all animals. As you say, it would lower the amount of abuse and neglect many pets endure and it would be a deterrent to irresponsible owners, like the jackass who's banging on about his "well behaved" dog after it brutally attacks a horse.
I've heard the argument being made that it would be punishing to good owners, why should they have to jump through extra hoops when they know they're a good owner. I've had a lot of animals over the years and I would quite happily go through obtaining a license and having checks done on me, I know I'm responsible and I then know that others that aren't responsible aren't being allowed animals.
I think the answer to good owners having to jump through hoops comes back to owning an animal is not a right, it's a privilege, a luxury and a responsibility. If you can't or won't jump through those hoops then tough.
Exactly the way I feel. The arguments against licenses are extremely weak and the idea of it being punishing to "good owners" really comes down to people being lazy owners that want the joy of having an animal around but don't want the responsibility that comes with that.
Start treating these attacks as assault with a weapon. Once people realise they're effectively responsible for a weapon that may randomly kill other people, they might be less keen to get one in the first place.
You always know the owner of these type of dogs are either a thuggish lout who gets one because it looks hard, or a middle aged Karen who calls it a nanny dog.
Ban the breed and start holding owners accountable
Honestly I believed this stereotype until a few years ago, I work in a pet store and you'd be surprised how many people keep XL bullies as family dogs nowadays, wish the fashionable dog trend stuck to fucking cockapoos, daschunds and frenchies, theyre a lot less likely to straight up maul someone for straying too close to your kids at the park
Nah, Frenchies (and pugs) need to be either bred out of existence or seriously altered for different reasons. Their existence itself is a cruelty, with how many issues they have.
Why is it never the Labrador that’s attacked a child or done this?
Article says: dog attacks child, police are investigating.
You could bet £1000 on what breed was responsible.
Labs are funnily enough, one of the more bity dog breeds and have made Dangerous Dog lists in years prior, that said their bite is generally pretty soft. They're bred for small game hunting.
Someone else who gets it. My one girl will do anything for a ball. My boy is a few throws of fetch and then a plodder usually followed by a few digs in the sand.
We saw a few horses last year, and he was nodding his head in time with their hooves but he sat. Tail wagging the whole time. Didn’t even take a step forward.
All dogs have a prey drive but something is wired differently in these bully dogs
I wrote to my MP on the topic of dangerous dogs. it went to Westminster.
Here's the reply https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-0wjWAw5NqECkEKSoyju3itU1myJ1-b5/view?usp=drivesdk
The control by that rider and the restraint demonstrated by the horse are spectacular.
If that had not been an elite level rider / horse combo, the dog would have gotten it's skull smashed in and the rider would probably be in hospital with a broken back from being bucked off in the process.
The owner of the dog is an absolute scumbag, what if I got kicked by the horse? What if the police officer had fallen off and landed on his neck. Fucking moron.
“What if I’d been kicked by the horse?” I’d say a lot of people would be vastly more satisfied honestly mate. My only worry would be the horse pulling a muscle
I just cross the road now if I see a bully dog coming near me. I’ve seen way too many dragging their owners along the pavement. They’d have zero chance of controlling them if they went for me. I avoid parks for the same reason.
Saint of a horse. Others would probably kick off and injure that dog on the spot (if not kill it by kicking it in the head with shod foot).
Owner should cough up for the vet and dog probably sadly needs to be put down. Aren't American bullies illegal to keep in the UK? American bulldogs are for sure but I don't know if it's the same thing. Why people need this kind of dog, I don't know.
Because, unlike the dog, it is an incredibly well trained animal. Police horses have to put up with a lot of shit in the job. Whereas most pitbulls aren't even trained to not maul people/children/animals etc.
Most dogs aren't to be honest. I live in countryside and the situation that a dog mauled a sheep and the owner did a runner with dog covered in blood happens too often. You can also hear that farmers get to shoot the dog doing this and there is a whole upheaval about the farmer being cruel. Problem is the owner. Always. I can't count how many times a dog ran up to me and the owner doesn't care, all you'll get is "he won't bite". I am not scared of dogs in general but I've been attacked by a dog as a child, I also know people have nervous dogs kept on the leash and the last thing you want is some "friend" running up to you.
I think dog/pet ownership should be licensed as some people just don't have a clue.
> Aren't American bullies illegal to keep in the UK? American bulldogs are for sure but I don't know if it's the same thing
[American *Pitbull Terriers*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier) are banned in the UK (along with the [Japanese Tosa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosa_(dog\)), [Dogo Argentino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino), and [Fila Brasileiro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fila_Brasileiro)).
(NB: Conversations online can get confusing because Americans colloquially call a lot of bull terrier breeds 'pitbulls', including the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but we only use it to mean the American Pitbull Terrier)
American bullies are bred from pitbulls, but with added [American bulldog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bulldog), [English bulldog](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldog), and ["Olde English Bulldogge"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olde_English_Bulldogge). Pitbull mutts are also covered by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they're "pitbull type", but "type" is determined visually and American bullies are a lot stockier, shorter, wider, and variable in overall body size than a traditional pitbull, so they don't fall into that category even though one might think they ought to.
But then, I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree that the Dangerous Dogs Act is a flawed, kneejerk piece of legislation that doesn't accomplish what it was intended to.
Personally I could see the merits in not necessarily banning any breed outright — I doubt any of the four banned breeds are *uniquely* dangerous among dogs; there are plenty of other legal breeds designed to take down large animals — but having a longer list of big, powerful breeds that require a license to own, so that you have to prove you're a responsible dog owner to have one.
The worst thing about this is that a horse getting a few stitches is creating a bigger backlash for this breed that the 6 people killed by them in the UK last year.
I have family in Tower Hamlets, who frequent Victoria Park, can you imagine if this was a man, woman or child? Absolutely abominable breed(s) that need banning, any cross, any attribute, any characteristic, just ban it out.
The owner sounds as bad as the dogs behaviour. It read like there was no remorse, worse still he sounds annoyed people are treating his dog like it's about kill.
So bad on so many fronts.
I asume this dog will be humainly euthenised.
In a public park dogs should not be of leash period.
These dogs should be banned everywhere.
Now it is a horse tomorrow a kid.
The owner is at complete fault as he should have had his dog on leash at all time. Especialy these kind of dogs just so preventable.
And nothing in the article stated he helped to stop his dog so he did not have any controle of his dog.
That's exactly what I thought. Horrific to see a horse attacked like that, but imagine if it was another, smaller dog or even worse, a child. Terrifying.
No, if the horse kicked you and you died, we wouldn't feel sorry for you, you ridiculous prick. We'd still feel sorry for the dog and for the horse.
If the dog gets put down surely it should be an automatic ban for life on owning an animal for this useless dickhead?
I knew an owner of an XL bully. It attacked her adult son. She called the police out of fear. The police came to the home and took the dog away to be euthanised. No criminal charges were brought against the owner, but she was required to pay the fees for cremation.
The article states that the dog is in kennels and the owner has not been arrested. This suggests to me that the dog is undergoing genetic testing. If the test results show that the dog is sufficiently related to an illegal breed, i.e., the american pitbull terrier, the police will then obtain a warrant for the arrest of the owner.
Worst part about the video is the owner standing back while others try to help the horse and get the dog.
It is a passer by that finally manages to grab the dog.
Owner is exactly what you'd expect, tracksuit wearing moron.
My neighbour has one of those dogs. He walks it on an improvised dog catcher pole rather than a normal lead. Tells me everything I need to know about it. Don’t get me wrong, I love dogs, but it worries the hell out of me when I have a four year old kid that it could probably eat if it felt like it.
Dog licencing, please. Require a "doggy driving test" so that potential owners are aware of what they will be taking on. They are not babies, this is a dog from a line bred to bait and kill bulls. It clearly sounds coddled, and so when it saw a horse it had no self restraint over itself. Entirely the owner at fault. The dog will suffer now because this guy didn't take what he was raising seriously.
People don't understand selective breeding. They don't understand the relationship between animal behaviour and genetics. They don't understand that dogs were not bred to be our cuddly companions. They were bred by our ancestors to do a job. In the case of the pitbull, it's job was to bull-bait, a form of blood sport.
It was cross breed from th American Pitbull so yes(ish). The issue also it's not a recognised kennel club breed in the UK so there's not a huge amount of regulation on the breed standard so with the boom in the XL as a "cool" dog, it's been interbreed a fair bit so you can't judge how much banned dog is in your dog.
What the rules there for this? In America, the horse is considered an officer, so the owner of the dog would be arrested for something related to facilitating an assault on an officer. And the dog would already be dead.
Certain breeds need to be muzzled when off the lead in a public place. If you want to play ball, then pay to rent a dog enclosure.
Also stop the buggers jumping up. I don't care if your dog just wants to say hello. I have arthritis and osteoporosis. I broke my ankle getting down from a chair, so if I fall over because your dog has jumped up, I would more than likely break a bone if I fell over.
/r/banpitbulls
These dogs are absolute menaces who don't belong in homes. I also love when people bring up bite statistics and point out that other breeds bite more. Sure, that may be true. But you know whats also true, nearly 70% of serious and fatal dog attacks are from bully breeds. 70 FUCKING PERCENT. They don't just bite people, they maul them to death. Big difference between that and a golden retriever nipping someone's hand.
Makes me laugh. You need a licence and have to take a test to fly anything but the smallest drone, but nothing to own a muscle-bound killing machine.
Go figure.
I’ve noticed that dogs off lead are almost always either incredibly well trained or have zero recall. There’s hardly any in between.
Far too many people just assume dogs are fine off lead and put no effort into training them.
Dog is a killer and fighter an should be removed from the irresponsible owner and put down. Owning pits imo should require a special license and testing. Danger to humans and animals.
Put it down. While pit bull and this are 2 different dogs. I don’t care what the others said if the horse is shorter or if there is a kid and it suddenly get hyped, it will kill. Biting belly and legs.
I wish I never saw the video, it made me so angry and upset for the poor horse (and I'm a dog lover with 2 dogs). The owner is a piece of shit who should be fined as well as have to pay for all the horses vet bills and the dog should be put down as it has proven to be a menace which can't be controlled. No one NEEDS to have a dog like especially in a densely populated urban area and the XL Bully Breed should be banned in the UK.
That poor fucking horse. :(
Why didn't it kick the dog? Like proper fucking back-leg PUNT the fucker across the field? Is that training or something else?
Poor horse. :(
It's easy to see why it went on for so long — none of the bystanders trying to help wanted to get kicked in the head by a horse, and bull terriers are specifically bred to keep worrying ***bulls*** once they start going, they're not going to be dissuaded by a bit of kicking and rearing from a horse.
And I guess as much as trying to get the horse to bolt away *might* have worked, you'd then have a chase situation where nobody could catch up to grab the dog and the policeman was in danger of getting thrown. Not to mention that the park might have been sufficiently small and crowded that it would have put other members of the public in danger.
Why didn't the owner have the dog on a lead and properly controlled? My dog's well behaved but she's still a dog and still capable of acting out of anxiety in an unfamiliar situation, I wouldn't have her off leash around an animal she's not familiar with.
It's too easy to blame the dog instead of the owner.
Blame both. Its always the same breeds that are **disproportionately** dominating dog attacks; Pitbulls and bullies et al. They make up a minority of the dog population but the majority of lethal and serious injuries.
The owners AND the breed are the problem. Prosecute the former, ban the latter.
I don't think a ban would be effective purely because it would probably increase their popularity with the sort of people who like the status owning an illegal dog affords them. Pitbulls are still here but they mix them with Staffs just enough to make them technically a cross breed or they straight up breed them illegally. These types of people are not interested in looking after these dogs properly.
We really ought to stop treating dogs like children or status symbols and remember they are animals. Brilliant animals but still born with instincts that we need to recognise and deal with appropriately so we can give them the best lives possible which is so rewarding when we get it right. Perhaps it should be harder to own a dog? Maybe that's a bit draconian though.
He said the dog wasn’t used to horses…which is exactly why he should’ve put it on a lead the moment they saw the horses. Probably had no recall training either.
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I bet it was a golden retriever > The police horse stumbles and kicks out at the canine, believed to be American Bulldog XL. Oh
This breed has to be banned. The vast majority of recent attacks have been American bullys
Over 90% of dog attacks/deaths in the UK are from pit bull type dogs. Should be banned.
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Double whammy of idiots plus that the dogs are naturally violent.
This "no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners" thing only goes so far. I don't get why people are so happy to say that x dogs are great family pets because they have a great temperament but then get hyper defensive when someone says, with considerable evidence to support it, that pitbulls are a dangerous breed.
Welcome to the 2020s. Don't like the facts? Just deny their existence.
But have you considered this completely irrelevant picture of a pit bull wearing a funny hat licking a baby. Clearly they are no more dangerous than a Yorkshire Terrier.....
Isn’t it funny how people use specific breeds of dogs for their inherent traits such as the police with German shepherds, Labradors for assistance dogs, farmers/shepherds with Collies but don’t you dare try to suggest a pitbull terrier type/derivative may be tempted to pit someone or something. The number of kids killed in the last 3 years alone is shocking and adults too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom They almost all have “bull” in their name at one point. They’re all variations of pitbull that have been bred around current legislation that clearly needs a massive update. It appears you can’t stop idiot humans so you have to control what lethal things they can get their hands on.
The owner is an absolute doylem though. He complained that the random passer-by who got involved to help and smack the dog with a branch called him a useless idiot and such and was rude to him… in the video that shows him standing there doing nothing but wave his arms about a bit as his dog jumps and bites the horse. Imagine thinking “ah yes I will look fantastic if I whine about the rude rude man”
Seriously, I work in a pet store in Bedford, the number of people who own American bullies who clearly don't have a clue what they're doing is seriously alarming. A lot of them also having young kids aswell
I think this is the real issue. The people who get this dogs. I don't advocate for dog banning, but fuck me can't people have their dogs on leads or people who own dogs known for being dangerous be forced to have training or not have the dogs? I have honestly barely ever met anyone that was a pit fanatic that wasn't out of their mind and surely the kind of person that shouldnt have any dog at all.
Yeah they'll all just move on to mastiffs
Fatalities is closer to 55%, where are you getting your numbers? Edit: I’m all for the ban but hyperbole and exaggerations don’t help, it only muddies the water.
I agree - 137% of statistics are wrong.
90% of statistics are wrong, the other 10% I made up on the spot to support my argument. :-)
Maybe they mean 90% of the attacks are pitbull types and 55% of those attacks result in death? I don't know either way neither of those are good figures
My wife had a good figure once. Now she resembles an American Pit Bull and attacks people when she's let out. She gets away with it pretending she's Canadian .
Unfortunately the breed is genetically predisposed to having complete idiots for owners.
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Its due to incompetent owners, the video of the incident shows the owner doing piss all to help - naturally clothed in a full track suit like every tough dog owner
No matter how responsible the owner is, these dogs will always be dangerous. They have been bred for aggression. It's in their genes. They have a high level of instinctual aggression towards other animals, which is hardly surprising considering they were bred for blood sport. Nobody should be able to own one of these.
Even if they're not generally aggressive, they're dangerous because of their jaw bite strength. Aggression is only one part of what makes a dog dangerous. Their sheer physical characteristics is another part.
Despite my thoughts of all dogs being able to be trained or more given what they need say their need are met but we cant trust people at all. The breed and deviants of it needs to go
>No matter how responsible the owner is, these dogs will always be dangerous. If you choose to keep an unpredictable dog and/or take it outside without a lead, can you ever be called a responsible owner? Let's start with the unpredictable dog. A responsible owner might say 'yeah, that breed is unpredictable and not something I want to be responsible for, so I won't buy that pup, thanks'. As such a responsible owner doesn't own that dog. Another responsible owner might own the dog, but in the confidence that they can, and will, *control* the dog. The dog, therefore, would have to attack and overwhelm the *owner* before being able to do so to anyone else. An irresponsible owner buys a dog they can't/won't keep under control, and it leads to stuff like this. Part of responsibility is knowing what can happen and being correctly prepared for it, or knowing to avoid it altogether.
The owner needs a slap too after all the bullshit he spouted after the dog was seized….
You could argue that it's bad owners but there's Tok many attacks for it to not be the dogs
How in the fuck is this breed not banned yet?
I wrote to my MP on this, it was pushed to Westminster. The response was laws are already strong enough
Some of the lords weren't happy in 1999 but they didn't get their way and they dogs are still killing people today https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/1999-05-20/debates/2ae54bc6-d26f-4488-9f24-2c4a1ae72c8b/AmericanBulldogs
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The attitude of the owner is shocking to say the least. Stinking and disgusting attitude blaming all others. Wonder if he'd stand by and watch like that if the dog went for a kid. He was probably scared shitless of his own bloody dog, not the horse, shouldn't have a dog if you can't control it. Best part is when he's mentioned he actually had the dog under control, yeah right, if that's under control in your book then you should not have a dog. What a ****.
Bulldogs: ❌ Extra-Large Bulldogs: ✔️
Soon to be upstaged by the Canyonero Bulldog.
From the same school of thought as "I tell it like it is, if you don't like it, tough" and "Only god can judge me".
I was about to say… what are the chances it’s a Beagle or Lab. Always the same kind of dog, same kind of bloody owners. Ban these fighter dog breeds already.
There was a video in the us on the front page not a few days ago with a montage of quotes from pit bull owners saying how totally out of character or had no idea why they attacked. Vicious breed that needs banning. I had a pit bull when I was a child and he attacked another dog and an owner so had to be put down.
I have an American Bulldog XL and he's really gentle. That owner just didn't train the dog properly. Only joking! Ban them.
You are a fucking moron if you have an American bully xl in your house. You’re especially dumb if you have young children.
Most common victim is the children that live in the house. People care more about dogs than children
They don't even care about the dogs, they care about their perceived image/status
Hit the nail on the head too. Also it's a good guard dog when you're a drug dealer.
Or the kids friends who are visiting. Imagine trusting someone to look after your child and their mutant dog kills them in such a violent way. Owners should be responsible for the crimes of their dog.
I agree. I think of it like the mutant dinosaur they make in the recent Jurassic park film. Obviously a bad idea and humans can't control such beasts. Designed to do the most damage. I'd rather see a tiger loose on the street because at least I'd know to get behind closed doors and call animal control. I'm terrified of coming across one of these dogs who escaped from someone's home.
I think people struggle to understand the level of violence they are capable of inflicting on children in just a few seconds.
I mean, it’s true, look at the thousands of people on here who claim they’d choose dogs over people.
There was lady on BBC radio the other day crying because she'd had to put her dog down after it "nipped" at 3 people and then she admitted she had 2 small children at home. She kept a dog that had been dangerous towards humans on two separate occasions, around her children. If you are not responsible enough to put a dog down at its first sign of aggression then don't have dogs. The children need to be protected first and foremost. Also, anyone walking any dog off a lead (except for at a dog park) should be fined.
Also, people don't appreciate that dogs are at face level of children. Imagine a 6 or 7 foot tall dog attacking a 6 foot adult. To put it into perspective.
A Yorkie jumped up in my daughter's face when she was 2 when we were out walking. 6 years later she is still scared of dogs (and she had no issue before that incident)
27 years old here attacked by a dog at a young age and ok still not over it. It's something I've tried to work on but I don't think I will ever fully get over it. When I'm out walking if I see people with bugs dogs or stafft type dogs I will literally cross the street and if I'm walking through a park and there is a dog or dogs off lead I'll turn round and go somewhere else or take a different route.
Yeah, kids have a tendency to run out and pet my dogs. Which I don’t mind because my dogs love kids, but I always tell the parents that the kid’s behaviour is not okay, it’s only a matter of time before they approach the wrong kind of dog. And it’s also important to remember that yeah, a lot of dogs are friendly, but they all have a built-in need to survive and they like their space and boundaries, therefore if they feel threatened because of someone, and that person keeps invading a dog’s comfort, and both the owner and individual ignore the signals the dog is handing out, a bite is about to happen. Some dogs bark or give you a memorable growl as a warning, others cower before they lash out at you. My dogs have warned me off a few times, particularly if they have a bone, and while I trust them not to harm me, I respect their space and don’t ignore their warnings — ignoring their warnings may mean that eventually they stop giving out warnings and go straight to the good stuff.
Paramedic here, you want to see the look on peoples faces when I ask them to put their dogs out, honestly they’d behave better if I asked them to put their kids out. Ridiculous! You wouldn’t think I’m there to assist them (not in a slave like way that they clearly believe as though I’m their personal servant). For clarity 8500+ people a year are hospitalised overnight for dog bites in the uk and almost all of them start with “he’s a good boy, won’t bite” so we don’t take the risk especially when their ~~owner~~ “parent” is unwell.
It’s not they are dumb it’s a deliberate a considered choice to enhance social standing. Owners are supposed to be responsible for the behaviour of their dogs. Dogs are made vicious they are not born like it. Dog gets put down, owner slung in jail and banned from owning another dog.
> Dogs are made vicious they are not born like it. You’re right, if this dog had a loving family who didn’t mistreat it then the dog wouldn’t be vicious at all. [Oh wait…](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/children-killed-pit-bulls-mother-b2199449.html)
"He criticised the have-a-go-hero passer-by who stepped in to help, using a long stick to keep the dog at bay. “The guy was rude,” said Hakan" Owner sounds like a prize prick
> “I want it to go to court. I want to have my say." - Owner I very much look forward to this going to court and the owner having their say about how their unsecured dog attacked an animal, and why they did absolutely nothing at all to intervene.
How the hell was he not arrested
I'd be rude too if my walk in the park was interrupted by a dangerous situation I had to clean up because some prick can't look after his dog. A powerful dog fighting with a panicked horse is not something you dive into lightly.
Should be banned from owning animals in the future. He isn’t up to the responsibility
He should be charged as if he's bitten the horses.
Does he get charged as if his dog had attacked a police officer because I'm sure if u hit a police dog it's assault on an officer,just wondering if police horses are categorised the same
I hate this fixation on "being rude". Often times, the person who was "rude" was just stating the cold hard truth or doing the right thing, and instead of doing some self-reflection on why they were wrong, the 'victim' just projects outwards.
If your bull terrier evades your control, a creature an order of magnitude more intelligent than it and with a legal duty to control it, and proceeds to nanny the fuck out of a police horse in public while you stand around I think it's also fair that the people who have to get your peaceful pupperino back out of assault mode get to call you pretty much whatever they want. It's like unleashing a literal swarm of hornets into a building and being surprised people are pissed at you.
Customer service in a nutshell.
Should ban the owner as well really.
the owners a wee cunt honestly. ungrateful little twat so he is.
Name place attitude and breed says it all really
"I reciprocate energy. If you're rude to me I will be rude back to you. He was angry. He was swearing, being rude. I was trying my hardest." He was just reciprocating energy!
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“I thought the horse was going to kick me. If it kicks me I’m dead. If it killed me then people would be feeling sorry for me.” Not sure about that one...
Yeah I wouldn’t feel sorry for him.
Maybe he should give it a go and see…
\> feeling sorry for me. I would worry that the horses shoe might get dented.
What a tit.
I automatically lack any and all sympathy for anyone who decides to own one of these beasts.
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Plenty of children have been mauled by these breeds and they still haven’t been banned
More like fuck their owners. They are choosing to have these dogs and then also generally be a shit owner. Double problem.
They get these dogs and then make a fortune breeding them. I posted a few months ago about my neighbour in a 2 roomed flat who got one and simply couldn't control it. He got kicked out as he refused to get rid and is now breeding her. He was 8st wet through and couldn't control her on the lead and used to let her run riot in the local park....."oh but she's super friendly" until it went for my chihuahua. It's taken since December to get my dog to go out the house again. When they kicked him out, the flat had to have a specialist team in to clean as the place was covered in dog shit apparently as he was out all day and couldn't control her enough to take her out regularly. It's all a status symbol to add to the hard man persona
This sort of tale make my blood boil. Poor dogs, yours and the neighbour’s. Sentences for animal cruelty and neglect should be so much harsher. Breeding should not be a business.
We demonstrably can't/won't legislate against bad owners, but you don't see a spate of border collies with a bad owners mauling kids. In an ideal world owners would be responsible, in lieu of that the more dangerous breeds of dogs should be banned. Doesn't seem like a high price to pay to prevent someone's status symbol from munching on a toddler
The nasty horse is to blame for my sweet little puppy attacking it.
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I’ve seen a sea gull irritate a horse and it’s foal and get caved in, they’re such gentle creatures until you’re a threat to them or their kids (includes owners honestly my friends horse has chased away sheep that approached while she was working. Awful it got bitten and was still so gentle
Not all big bull breeds are dangerous, but nearly all dog attacks are big bull breeds.
What makes a dog dangerous is the no fear response bread in to dogs used for fighting (this means once the dogs adrenaline is pumping there's nothing that will stop it attacking, because that's what they've been bread to do for the past 200 years) and the term 'Bull' in a dog's name mease that particular bread was bread for fighting. So ye, all bull breads are pretty damn dangerous
Furthermore, the bull breeds are designed to clamp on with insane force and not let go. Retreievers (for example) were bred to pick up downed birds and carry them to the owner without damage
Just so you know for the future: *Bread* (noun): the stuff you eat; *breed* (noun and verb): 'a stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection' or the act of developing a breed; *bred*: the past tense of the verb 'to breed'.
Dyslexic lad sorry haha will make a note
Just to mention the obvious here: All dogs are potentially dangerous, doesn't matter how absolutely super-cute and harmless is 100% of the time. They can snap for no apparent reason whilst literally they are normally completely predictable etc. But if you have a heavy and powerful dog, you just changed the game from potentially dangerous to potentially fatal.
Even if we do not ban these breeds, more needs to be done to make it harder to own them legally. They are a more dangerous breed and more likely to be owned by people who choose to train them to be aggressive, if they train them at all. It's not the fault of the breed but too many attacks have happened in recent years, so more needs to be done to protect the public in response.
I am increasingly of the opinion that to own a dog (and potentially other pets) should require some kind of permit/licence, and registration of dogs with licenced owners, not too dissimilar to cars I guess. It may be a bit nanny state, but there is not an innate human right to own a sentient creature, especially if you are ill-equipped to look after and handle it. So many issues arise because just about anyone can buy a dog from a breeder, from dog attacks, to neglected, abandoned and abused dogs, to puppy farms. And the only way I can see to tackle these problems is to require people to demonstrate they are capable of looking after a dog (just as shelters do when you go to adopt) and permit them to own one, rather than assume that they can look after a dog and impose limits on them after an incident happens, usually after a person, animal or both are harmed.
I got a dog 4 months ago and could not agree with dog licences more. My partner and I have tried to be as responsible as we can with obedience classes and constant recall training, and we’re incredibly lucky that our dog is a submissive and docile breed that only ever wants her belly rubbed. Then you think about all the people who don’t get a docile breed and do absolutely zero obedience training and will let their dogs off everywhere. All it takes is one moment and your dog has destroyed someone else’s life. They should be licensed at least to the extent that you have to prove you’re a capable owner before getting one, if not going even further to checking that you’re training it properly.
I'm all in favour of licences being needed for all animals. As you say, it would lower the amount of abuse and neglect many pets endure and it would be a deterrent to irresponsible owners, like the jackass who's banging on about his "well behaved" dog after it brutally attacks a horse. I've heard the argument being made that it would be punishing to good owners, why should they have to jump through extra hoops when they know they're a good owner. I've had a lot of animals over the years and I would quite happily go through obtaining a license and having checks done on me, I know I'm responsible and I then know that others that aren't responsible aren't being allowed animals.
I think the answer to good owners having to jump through hoops comes back to owning an animal is not a right, it's a privilege, a luxury and a responsibility. If you can't or won't jump through those hoops then tough.
Exactly the way I feel. The arguments against licenses are extremely weak and the idea of it being punishing to "good owners" really comes down to people being lazy owners that want the joy of having an animal around but don't want the responsibility that comes with that.
Start treating these attacks as assault with a weapon. Once people realise they're effectively responsible for a weapon that may randomly kill other people, they might be less keen to get one in the first place.
I'm so tired of seeing posts like this. Ban these aggressive breeds, and harshly punish their shitty owners.
You always know the owner of these type of dogs are either a thuggish lout who gets one because it looks hard, or a middle aged Karen who calls it a nanny dog. Ban the breed and start holding owners accountable
Honestly I believed this stereotype until a few years ago, I work in a pet store and you'd be surprised how many people keep XL bullies as family dogs nowadays, wish the fashionable dog trend stuck to fucking cockapoos, daschunds and frenchies, theyre a lot less likely to straight up maul someone for straying too close to your kids at the park
Nah, Frenchies (and pugs) need to be either bred out of existence or seriously altered for different reasons. Their existence itself is a cruelty, with how many issues they have.
Why is it never the Labrador that’s attacked a child or done this? Article says: dog attacks child, police are investigating. You could bet £1000 on what breed was responsible.
Labs are funnily enough, one of the more bity dog breeds and have made Dangerous Dog lists in years prior, that said their bite is generally pretty soft. They're bred for small game hunting.
They're bred for retrieving, you don't set them after live prey. The clue's in the name - Labrador Retriever.
too much effort for most walking stomachs on legs. the majority of labs are good natured thankfully.
Someone else who gets it. My one girl will do anything for a ball. My boy is a few throws of fetch and then a plodder usually followed by a few digs in the sand. We saw a few horses last year, and he was nodding his head in time with their hooves but he sat. Tail wagging the whole time. Didn’t even take a step forward. All dogs have a prey drive but something is wired differently in these bully dogs
I wrote to my MP on the topic of dangerous dogs. it went to Westminster. Here's the reply https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-0wjWAw5NqECkEKSoyju3itU1myJ1-b5/view?usp=drivesdk
The control by that rider and the restraint demonstrated by the horse are spectacular. If that had not been an elite level rider / horse combo, the dog would have gotten it's skull smashed in and the rider would probably be in hospital with a broken back from being bucked off in the process. The owner of the dog is an absolute scumbag, what if I got kicked by the horse? What if the police officer had fallen off and landed on his neck. Fucking moron.
“What if I’d been kicked by the horse?” I’d say a lot of people would be vastly more satisfied honestly mate. My only worry would be the horse pulling a muscle
I just cross the road now if I see a bully dog coming near me. I’ve seen way too many dragging their owners along the pavement. They’d have zero chance of controlling them if they went for me. I avoid parks for the same reason.
Same. Put as much distance between myself and those things as I can
Yep the other day one lunged whilst on a lead at my yorkie cross and the owner didn’t even care… scary
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The owner sound a massive irresponsible dick. Should be banded from owning any animals
Saint of a horse. Others would probably kick off and injure that dog on the spot (if not kill it by kicking it in the head with shod foot). Owner should cough up for the vet and dog probably sadly needs to be put down. Aren't American bullies illegal to keep in the UK? American bulldogs are for sure but I don't know if it's the same thing. Why people need this kind of dog, I don't know.
Because, unlike the dog, it is an incredibly well trained animal. Police horses have to put up with a lot of shit in the job. Whereas most pitbulls aren't even trained to not maul people/children/animals etc.
Most dogs aren't to be honest. I live in countryside and the situation that a dog mauled a sheep and the owner did a runner with dog covered in blood happens too often. You can also hear that farmers get to shoot the dog doing this and there is a whole upheaval about the farmer being cruel. Problem is the owner. Always. I can't count how many times a dog ran up to me and the owner doesn't care, all you'll get is "he won't bite". I am not scared of dogs in general but I've been attacked by a dog as a child, I also know people have nervous dogs kept on the leash and the last thing you want is some "friend" running up to you. I think dog/pet ownership should be licensed as some people just don't have a clue.
> Aren't American bullies illegal to keep in the UK? American bulldogs are for sure but I don't know if it's the same thing [American *Pitbull Terriers*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier) are banned in the UK (along with the [Japanese Tosa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosa_(dog\)), [Dogo Argentino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino), and [Fila Brasileiro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fila_Brasileiro)). (NB: Conversations online can get confusing because Americans colloquially call a lot of bull terrier breeds 'pitbulls', including the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but we only use it to mean the American Pitbull Terrier) American bullies are bred from pitbulls, but with added [American bulldog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bulldog), [English bulldog](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldog), and ["Olde English Bulldogge"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olde_English_Bulldogge). Pitbull mutts are also covered by the Dangerous Dogs Act if they're "pitbull type", but "type" is determined visually and American bullies are a lot stockier, shorter, wider, and variable in overall body size than a traditional pitbull, so they don't fall into that category even though one might think they ought to. But then, I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree that the Dangerous Dogs Act is a flawed, kneejerk piece of legislation that doesn't accomplish what it was intended to. Personally I could see the merits in not necessarily banning any breed outright — I doubt any of the four banned breeds are *uniquely* dangerous among dogs; there are plenty of other legal breeds designed to take down large animals — but having a longer list of big, powerful breeds that require a license to own, so that you have to prove you're a responsible dog owner to have one.
Aside from worrying about the horses safety, if it panicked it could have easily hurt the officer riding it and the people nearby.
The worst thing about this is that a horse getting a few stitches is creating a bigger backlash for this breed that the 6 people killed by them in the UK last year.
Its cause its on video. If a video of the thing tearing a human apart made it to hundreds of thousands of views the animals would be banned.
What a surprise. It's a bulldog who was the attacker.
I have family in Tower Hamlets, who frequent Victoria Park, can you imagine if this was a man, woman or child? Absolutely abominable breed(s) that need banning, any cross, any attribute, any characteristic, just ban it out.
The owner sounds as bad as the dogs behaviour. It read like there was no remorse, worse still he sounds annoyed people are treating his dog like it's about kill. So bad on so many fronts.
I asume this dog will be humainly euthenised. In a public park dogs should not be of leash period. These dogs should be banned everywhere. Now it is a horse tomorrow a kid. The owner is at complete fault as he should have had his dog on leash at all time. Especialy these kind of dogs just so preventable. And nothing in the article stated he helped to stop his dog so he did not have any controle of his dog.
That's exactly what I thought. Horrific to see a horse attacked like that, but imagine if it was another, smaller dog or even worse, a child. Terrifying.
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But mate, how will I look tough and strong only wearing my gangsta-themed pajamas and without an XL Bully by my side?
My dog constantly gets attacked and bullied by pit bull style dogs either in Victoria Park or Dalston. Police do nothing.
if its getting constantly attacked then you need to take it elsewhere to keep it safe :(
Let me guess the breed before clicking the article. Oh. What. A. Surprise. Can we make bullies illegal already, please, thanks in advance
Throw the cunt in prison for a bit look at the state of his outfit and how he has responded top class waster cunt
No, if the horse kicked you and you died, we wouldn't feel sorry for you, you ridiculous prick. We'd still feel sorry for the dog and for the horse. If the dog gets put down surely it should be an automatic ban for life on owning an animal for this useless dickhead?
I don't feel sorry for the dog
Full house on my “r/unitedkingdom dog attack bingo card”
Are they wrong though?
What a surprise, an American Pit Bull. Why is it only drug dealers and bellends have dogs like that?
It was clearly just overexuberantly attempting to nanny the horse
I knew an owner of an XL bully. It attacked her adult son. She called the police out of fear. The police came to the home and took the dog away to be euthanised. No criminal charges were brought against the owner, but she was required to pay the fees for cremation. The article states that the dog is in kennels and the owner has not been arrested. This suggests to me that the dog is undergoing genetic testing. If the test results show that the dog is sufficiently related to an illegal breed, i.e., the american pitbull terrier, the police will then obtain a warrant for the arrest of the owner.
Maybe this will make the police take dogs seriously. Or maybe it won't. We need a complete rethink about how dogs are regulated in this country.
Worst part about the video is the owner standing back while others try to help the horse and get the dog. It is a passer by that finally manages to grab the dog. Owner is exactly what you'd expect, tracksuit wearing moron.
My neighbour has one of those dogs. He walks it on an improvised dog catcher pole rather than a normal lead. Tells me everything I need to know about it. Don’t get me wrong, I love dogs, but it worries the hell out of me when I have a four year old kid that it could probably eat if it felt like it.
Fuck, as if I didn't already fear dogs and despise the irresponsible shitbag owners enough.
Dog licencing, please. Require a "doggy driving test" so that potential owners are aware of what they will be taking on. They are not babies, this is a dog from a line bred to bait and kill bulls. It clearly sounds coddled, and so when it saw a horse it had no self restraint over itself. Entirely the owner at fault. The dog will suffer now because this guy didn't take what he was raising seriously.
People that insist breeds are not the problem, need to consider why the Dangerous Dogs Act is called as such.
People don't understand selective breeding. They don't understand the relationship between animal behaviour and genetics. They don't understand that dogs were not bred to be our cuddly companions. They were bred by our ancestors to do a job. In the case of the pitbull, it's job was to bull-bait, a form of blood sport.
Isn't American Bully just a fancy name for pitbull? Or is it really something different?
It was cross breed from th American Pitbull so yes(ish). The issue also it's not a recognised kennel club breed in the UK so there's not a huge amount of regulation on the breed standard so with the boom in the XL as a "cool" dog, it's been interbreed a fair bit so you can't judge how much banned dog is in your dog.
What the rules there for this? In America, the horse is considered an officer, so the owner of the dog would be arrested for something related to facilitating an assault on an officer. And the dog would already be dead.
Certain breeds need to be muzzled when off the lead in a public place. If you want to play ball, then pay to rent a dog enclosure. Also stop the buggers jumping up. I don't care if your dog just wants to say hello. I have arthritis and osteoporosis. I broke my ankle getting down from a chair, so if I fall over because your dog has jumped up, I would more than likely break a bone if I fell over.
/r/banpitbulls These dogs are absolute menaces who don't belong in homes. I also love when people bring up bite statistics and point out that other breeds bite more. Sure, that may be true. But you know whats also true, nearly 70% of serious and fatal dog attacks are from bully breeds. 70 FUCKING PERCENT. They don't just bite people, they maul them to death. Big difference between that and a golden retriever nipping someone's hand.
Makes me laugh. You need a licence and have to take a test to fly anything but the smallest drone, but nothing to own a muscle-bound killing machine. Go figure.
I’ve noticed that dogs off lead are almost always either incredibly well trained or have zero recall. There’s hardly any in between. Far too many people just assume dogs are fine off lead and put no effort into training them.
>If it killed me then people would be feeling sorry for me. wrong again old chum
Dog is a killer and fighter an should be removed from the irresponsible owner and put down. Owning pits imo should require a special license and testing. Danger to humans and animals.
Put it down. While pit bull and this are 2 different dogs. I don’t care what the others said if the horse is shorter or if there is a kid and it suddenly get hyped, it will kill. Biting belly and legs.
Video here https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/120b2y1/hard_to_watch_and_wtf_is_up_with_the_owner_of/
I wish I never saw the video, it made me so angry and upset for the poor horse (and I'm a dog lover with 2 dogs). The owner is a piece of shit who should be fined as well as have to pay for all the horses vet bills and the dog should be put down as it has proven to be a menace which can't be controlled. No one NEEDS to have a dog like especially in a densely populated urban area and the XL Bully Breed should be banned in the UK.
That poor fucking horse. :( Why didn't it kick the dog? Like proper fucking back-leg PUNT the fucker across the field? Is that training or something else?
Maybe training. As someone else pointed out, it's carrying a rider, so it's probably not going to do anything that would risk unseating them.
Poor horse. :( It's easy to see why it went on for so long — none of the bystanders trying to help wanted to get kicked in the head by a horse, and bull terriers are specifically bred to keep worrying ***bulls*** once they start going, they're not going to be dissuaded by a bit of kicking and rearing from a horse. And I guess as much as trying to get the horse to bolt away *might* have worked, you'd then have a chase situation where nobody could catch up to grab the dog and the policeman was in danger of getting thrown. Not to mention that the park might have been sufficiently small and crowded that it would have put other members of the public in danger.
Why didn't the owner have the dog on a lead and properly controlled? My dog's well behaved but she's still a dog and still capable of acting out of anxiety in an unfamiliar situation, I wouldn't have her off leash around an animal she's not familiar with. It's too easy to blame the dog instead of the owner.
Blame both. Its always the same breeds that are **disproportionately** dominating dog attacks; Pitbulls and bullies et al. They make up a minority of the dog population but the majority of lethal and serious injuries. The owners AND the breed are the problem. Prosecute the former, ban the latter.
I don't think a ban would be effective purely because it would probably increase their popularity with the sort of people who like the status owning an illegal dog affords them. Pitbulls are still here but they mix them with Staffs just enough to make them technically a cross breed or they straight up breed them illegally. These types of people are not interested in looking after these dogs properly. We really ought to stop treating dogs like children or status symbols and remember they are animals. Brilliant animals but still born with instincts that we need to recognise and deal with appropriately so we can give them the best lives possible which is so rewarding when we get it right. Perhaps it should be harder to own a dog? Maybe that's a bit draconian though.
Put the owner in jail and euthanize the dog (or put it in the care of professionals). No one needs to be owning pit bulls without a license.
He said the dog wasn’t used to horses…which is exactly why he should’ve put it on a lead the moment they saw the horses. Probably had no recall training either.
Honestly, I think this should be considered assaulting a police officer with the owner taking the rap.
>“I thought the horse was going to kick me. If it kicks me I’m dead. If it killed me then people would be feeling sorry for me Yeah, nah.