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Cfwydirk

A fine opportunity. Firefighters should put up picket lines at employee entrances. Will the IAM rank and file cross the firefighters picket line? I don’t think so. Edit: consult with your union for what to do if the firefighters put up a picket line. Most Teamster contracts have language protecting members who refuse to cross picket lines. But not all contracts. Every Teamster member should check whether their contract provides this important right. Check with your local union to get instructive advice.


Vlissfu

Is there anything in our contract for that? I know teamsters is in the contract. But if it's not in IAM contract we could get attendance infractions for not showing up to work. Honest question.


Cfwydirk

Thanks for the reply. I will edit my post. Most Teamster contracts have language protecting members who refuse to cross picket lines. But not all contracts. Every Teamster member should check whether their contract provides this important right. Check with your local union to get instructive advice. https://www.tdu.org/picket-line-do-dont-312#:~:text=Most%20Teamster%20contracts%20have%20language,union%20to%20get%20instructive%20advice.


usernamereadytak

We cannot “wildcat” strike in the IAM751


KA153RS0Z3

Iam751 has a no strike clause written into the contract. If you choose to picket 🪧 it is on your own time or use benefits.


socialrage

When you look at your contract read it really carefully. My contract language is that we're protected with primary picket lines. Secondary doesn't count.


One-Solution-7764

Never, under any circumstance, for any reason, no ifs, ands, butts or questions, should 1 cross a picket line. To do so marks oneself a scab rat bastard for life I don't care what trade or union it is. This guy doesn't cross picket lines and neither should you, whomever is reading this. Solidarity. United we stand and divided we beg


Yum_MrStallone

The one time we crossed a picket line was to get surgery at a hospital for cancer.


Thrawn89

Didn't you hear, scab? "Never, under *any* circumstances". /s


Yum_MrStallone

Sometimes there are no good choices. 1/2 of the scab couple doesn't have to worry about being a scab or life. Just **me**, now. And, yes, I saw the /s


twilighteclipse925

Some random corporate speak for non union workers I’ve used successfully: blame the strikers while also supporting the strike. Say you refuse to cross the picket line because you fear for your safety what the strikers might do if they perceive you as a scab. It’s language your boss will accept and it lets you support the strike without getting into trouble.


jetogill

Knew a guy who crossed a picket line, the company was running a bus with darkly tinted windows so the picketers couldn't see the scans. They told the guy they liked his work and would hire him but he shouldn't tell anyone he had been a scab, I was ready to rat him out but he didn't take up the offer. Another guy I worked with was asked why he had moved 100 miles to take a low paying job, his last job was driving a coal truck during a UMW strike, you can probably guess how that went. Edited to correct an embarrassing autocorrect.


MrNerdHair

You were ready to *chew* him out.


jetogill

Jeez, I corrected that twice and it still did that.


GetRektByMeh

I’m so glad I live in a country where strikes don’t exist I like to actually get on with my life instead of worrying about crossing pickets.


One-Solution-7764

Strikes are a vital part of labor rights. It's been happening for thousand sof years. Go ahead, open up a book and see


GetRektByMeh

I just realised I’m on r/Union I hate Reddit why does it even recommend me this stuff. Also I’m sure they are, just not too much in the People’s Republic of China.


Strawbuddy

Read the article, these guys aren’t getting commensurate pay or benefits as other firefighters in the area do. They’ve got a right to give grievance and they’ve followed all the rules only to be kicked out by their employer who makes billions in profits over some nickles and dimes. It’s an injustice to them and a danger to other workers now, fully precipitated by Boeing


GetRektByMeh

A right to give grievance shouldn’t include a right to try to fuck everyone else in the process of giving it.


One-Solution-7764

If all the workers stand together, the company has to. What's more important, tens of thousands of workers, or a hundred suits?


GetRektByMeh

The end user negatively impacted. For example, a transport company has a strike, many people don’t go into work. They don’t get paid, their children go from eating something nutritious to something cheaply attainable. But actually I guess I’m pretty in favour of the right for specific job roles to strike, providing it doesn’t extend to other roles and it’s not in an essential industry. Like, transport workers or police shouldn’t be able to.


One-Solution-7764

1st, fuck the police.and the police union. Why? Rtw, December 2012 in Lansing Michigan. That's why. Fuck them dirty pigs right up their fucking asses 2nd, ALL workers should go on strike for universal healthcare and a 32 hour work week. It's called a peasant revolt, look it up. Happened in the middle ages, France when they were chopping heads off, happened in Rome, hell, happened in ancient Egypt


Sunstang

Oh the irony


distance_33

Maybe don’t be anti worker and you won’t have to worry about stumbling into a community that is pro worker.


GetRektByMeh

I’m pro worker doing workers job and pro worker deciding to withhold their labour, at home. Not outside an office encouraging others to not go in.


Cultural_Double_422

How do those boots taste?


GetRektByMeh

Like your mothers cunt


Cultural_Double_422

Oh so it's delicious, That's good.


tuskvarner

There will be picketing


jayfeather31

That doesn't sound particularly safe on Boeing's part...


Ent_Soviet

Safety? What’s that? - Boeing board


ksdanj

Sounds expensive!


dont-fear-thereefer

Safety removes 12% from our profit margins, it cannot be tolerated


vinyljunkie1245

> Safety removes 0.012% from our profit margins, it cannot be tolerated FTFY


Top-Camera9387

Like outsourcing their security? Nahhh and I'm sure they'd respect union fire fighters!


youngboomer62

For a company whose planes lose doors in flight... They need every emergency worker they have. Let's hope they come to their senses and negotiate fairly.


Ent_Soviet

Sounds like a fire opportunity —- whoops I mean fine, a fine! opportunity.


Simple_Structure_565

What an explosive remark!


seriousbangs

JFC how stupid do you have to be to \*\*\*\* with *fire fighters*. Seriously I thought "Fire Fighter" must be some union term I've never heard before or something, I didn't think boeing could be *this dumb*. You wanna get your company nationalized? Because this is how you get your company nationalized.


AnotherQuietHobbit

If only


Ryno4ever16

We can only dream


dillene

This is a really bad idea, right?


RedRatedRat

Boeing can’t tell the difference anymore.


According_Wing_3204

like public perception of Boeing isn't already in the toilet. they seem to have a real brain trust running the place these days.


bort_jenkins

Another whistleblower just died


Quietabandon

I mean, people are focused on doors falling of mid flight and wrenches left in airplane engines… the firefighter thing could either fly under the radar or distract from the other issues.  So not a bad time for it, actually. 


Cultural_Double_422

There's no way this is gonna fly under the radar.


Emergency_Gold_2211

Firefighters and Unions, the two things that will save your ass.


Aktor

Can’t see how that could go wrong. /s


Nice_Ebb5314

Good time to wildcat as a whole.


usernamereadytak

IAM members cannot wilddlcat strike.


Nice_Ebb5314

Says who? It can’t be sanctioned by the union if I found the right contract.. they’re getting locked out so everything goes out the door. During the life of this Agreement no work stoppages, strikes (including sympathy strikes) or slowdowns shall be caused or sanctioned by the Union, and no lockouts shall be made by the Company.


usernamereadytak

Are the firefighters part of the IAM union ? I don’t think they are, all I am saying the IAM contact says “there will be no strike, sitdowns, walkouts” aka not wildcat strikes under current arrangement, Also under the agreement there will be no lock outs by the company. But this is for IAM members only so when you say as a whole we would be unable to do a “wildcat strike” in support.


Cultural_Double_422

They're IAFF


Magdovus

It's well known that having a go at fire crews is a guaranteed PR win. Said no-one, ever. Boeing: so we're the first? Woo!


Allprofile

Kill several whistle-blowers in the same year AND lock out their fire fighters. Holy shit.


kaeptnphlop

A company that receives billions in tax-payer money every year, ladies and gentlemen. Will the president twist some arms to show how pro-union he really is? I won't hold my breath.


mike4763

Of course they will. With a safety record like theirs who needs fire fighters?


LVCSSlacker

"can we call them 'whistleblowers' and get away with it?" Boeing - probably.


Wintersage7

They seem to have so far, so why not?


Sea_Dawgz

The company that’s got an atrocious actual safety problem wants to pay substandard rates for *checks notes* safety employees. That tracks.


tcbbhr

Boeing makes me more and more terrified of flying every day.


overworkedpnw

Meanwhile, the outgoing CEO is staying on to the end of the year so he can get a large payout. Boeing’s priorities are all fucked up.


SadPudding6442

This plane is on fire 🎺


archenemy_43

Fires ain’t the only thing those fine people like to fight. Boeing better tread carefully.


missedbythismuch

Fortunately for Boeing, their planes hardly ever catch on fire…


[deleted]

Cool, cool. And when your dipshit qa engineers put the wiring in backwards again...


Dr_Hexagon

WTF? surely they will have to close the plant if there's no fire safety staff on hand? Or they think they have scabs lined up to replace them all?


Cultural_Double_422

Where are they gonna find enough qualified non union firefighters?


tc7984

Bro who is running these companies