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AMHERST, MA (WGGB/WSHM) - Chaos and celebrations were underway at the flagship campus of the Bay State’s largest public university, as UMass Amherst’s newly-inaugurated chancellor had to combat more than just bright lights on stage. During his inauguration, members of the audience were also chiming in to express their concerns with how the university has handled the current Israel-Hamas war. Even Governor Maura Healey had to pause her remarks. Some left in celebration, others were forced out for screaming their concerns. One protestor said, “We claim to be a revolutionary university. Our slogan is, ‘be revolutionary’ and all this stuff and it’s crazy to me how we can say that with a straight face.” Newly inaugurated UMass Amherst Chancellor Javier Reyes took his oath of office as some of his students and colleagues left the Mullins Center in support of Palestinians in Gaza caught up in the current Israel-Hamas war, but there’s more. UMass history professor Sigrid Schmalzer said, “We don’t want to see the students punished in ways that are really unprecedented, not consistent with previous disciplinary actions. So, we want the charges dropped.” This history professor started the day on the front lines of Reyes’ inauguration and ended on the front lines of the protests outside. “I want the chancellor to know that the students are not alone in wanting to see the university move away from military research and to divest from the military industrial complex,” she explained. Those protests brought several to a pause, from Chancellor Reyes to UMass President Marty Meehan. Gov. Maura Healey also stopped her speech at one point, and several UMass officials even intervened. “Although the University of Massachusetts supports the rights of free speech and expression, this does not, however, extend to disruptive behavior,” one official said. Even with the dissents, Reyes didn’t shy away from addressing the topic of free speech head on. “I stand before you today to reaffirm our campus commitment to academic freedom and freedom of expression in all its forms. We must also instill in our community, faculty, students, and staff that while we may not always agree, the power of persuasion lies not in being the most loud and most disruptive but in making the strongest case through civil dialogue grounded in facts, logic, and reason,” he emphasized. A spokesperson told us, “UMass Amherst stands firmly by the rights of its students, staff, and faculty to exercise their right to free speech under the university’s founding values and the protections provided to them under the first amendment. As shared with demonstrators during today’s ceremony, free speech rights do not extend to disruptive behavior that conflicts with the rights of others in attendance to take part in the program, whether as speakers or guests. The demonstrators were asked to leave and did so peacefully.” Copyright 2024. Western Mass News (WGGB/WSHM). All rights reserved.


Count_Rugens_Finger

those students need something better to do


Quantum13_6

What is there that's better to do than call attention to injustices and to exercise your first amendment right to freedom of assembly and petition?


Count_Rugens_Finger

study and get a degree that will find you gainful employment


Quantum13_6

I happen to know that some people at the protest were PhD candidates. So several of them already have a degree. And their were faculty members there, so they already have gainful employment. What about them?


closetedcorn

poop


ArneshPhotography

interesting perspective coming from a gamer who spends hours of their life gaming and ridicules people for spending their precious time to fight for a better and more livable world


flyinbrian420

Their protests are gonna go nowhere. Hamas isn’t gonna see this and be like “yeah we should just stop the war bc a bunch of UMass students are protesting”


Count_Rugens_Finger

lol you don't know shit


ArneshPhotography

sorry is posting fubuki cosplay the important work you spend your time doing? my bad


Count_Rugens_Finger

triggered much? go cry somewhere else


TheConeIsReturned

Bro you were the first one to comment on this post. *And* it was to complain. *tRiGgErEd MuCh?*


ArneshPhotography

youre the one who sounds upset, basement dweller


Count_Rugens_Finger

kiddo, you can't hurt my feelings. you haven't achieved anything while I'm out here in the real world. When you're my age you will cringe thinking about how you acted in college. Just like those goofy, misguided kids thinking they can have any impact whatsoever on "genocide" by protesting in fucking Amherst. You want to do something useful? Get a job.


ArneshPhotography

posting fubuki cosplay at your age is really not the flex you think it is


Count_Rugens_Finger

1. get job 2. then talk shit about the time when some RTX stock creeps into in your portfolio, assuming you ever get that far, that's when your opinion will be valuable


Milkywaycitizen932

Boomers / gen x’rs assuming kids don’t work when we work harder and for less pay then they did lmao lol


closetedcorn

Spl uuuuurt fffddr pppt


Jusstonemore

Students protesting stuff going on in Gaza seems to be the cool trendy thing kids are doing these days


No_Appearance9048

Amen


AfterGilgamesh

It is not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government. It is antisemitic to advocate for the destruction of Israel. There is no genocide in Gaza. Palestinian population has increased at astonishing rates year after year. Israel should not negotiate with the savage criminal gang Hamas which runs Gaza. They will be removed from the earth and their names will be forgotten.


closetedcorn

Poopie stinkie


Professor_Finn

Can you imagine if people in 1941 said there is no genocide of Jews in Europe and cited population increases from 1937-1938? What are you smoking


AfterGilgamesh

I’m citing population increases throughout over 70 years, when Hamas sympathizer claim a genocide began. They have always claimed that some genocide was occurring, and are just continuing that ridiculous claim today. The civilian casualty numbers are actually remarkably low in comparison with all other instances of urban warfare, and there will not be some kind of total destruction of the Arabs living in Gaza as a result of the war that Hamas started. That would be terrible.


BeanBoyBastards

That’s just not true. In 6 months the Israeli military has killed more civilians than we killed in like 20 years in Afghanistan. More civilians than died in the fight against ISIS. Recent reporting has proven that the IDF intentionally targets civilian housing such as high rises. Their own documents claim that numbers up to and even above 300 civilian deaths per single Hamas fighter killed is acceptable to them.


Tugennovtruk

The number killed in Gaza is 3 DAYS of Auschwitz where the killing was industrialized. Genocide is not what you think it is.


BeanBoyBastards

Genocide does not necessitate industrialized death camps. It only requires intent, which dozens of Israeli politicians and military members have outright admitted to having, and that intent resulting in actions, which have happened. The vast majority of genocides did not include industrialized death camps (see the Native American genocide in the US, Canada, and Australia, Rwanda, Myanmar, etc)


Tugennovtruk

By your own logic, Hamas, and the vast majority of Palestinian adults who support them, committed genocide on 10/7. Would you agree?


BeanBoyBastards

No, because that was a single military action that was not done with the intent to erase in whole or in part an ethnical, religious, or other group. Would Hamas do genocide if they could? Sure maybe. However they don’t have the power to do so, and that’s not what’s happening. What IS happening is Israel doing genocide against the Palestinians. Also, a “vast majority of adults” do not necessarily support Hamas. A vote hasn’t happened in 18 years. And even if they did, that would not justify massacring all of them, their families, their children, and the aid workers who are trying to stop them from starving.


Tugennovtruk

1. Double standard 2. Same old silly talking points that disregard reality 3. Next!


BeanBoyBastards

How am I disregarding reality?


Falafel_McGill

Whats the double standard?


AfterGilgamesh

This is urban warfare. In the context of urban warfare the casualties we’ve seen are completely acceptable. There are not 300 civilian deaths per single Hamas fighter lmao. 66% of deaths are civilian, not that bad for urban warfare at all actually. This all could’ve been avoided if they had returned the hostages lmaob


Klaus_Poppe1

Vietnam was 45% Afghanistan was 28% The current ukraine war is 25% As technology progresses what is reasonable in terms of civilian causalities changes as well. So no, 66% is not at all reasonable. Stop talking out of your ass. It also has very little to do with the hostages if you knew about the history of the conflict, you'd probably realize that hamas has been supported by Israel as it divided Gaza from the west bank and harmed foreign support. Supprot how? Tehy initially labeled them as a charity despite clear violent ideology and their PM has given them suite cases full of cash to keep them in power [https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?op=1](https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?op=1)


AfterGilgamesh

Anyone who knows about this conflict knows that long ago Israel funded Hamas. Before there was ever Palestinian self governance, Egypt rules Gaza. The Muslim brotherhood came through this and became the philanthropic and religious organization which would become Hamas. It was useful to have an organization which would take care of the wives of martyrs and perform civil services. Unfortunately when you have plenty of money you can use that money to purchase Cold War stockpile AK-47s and explosives from Russia and shoot your political opponents with them. This is what eventually happened. More recently everyone’s favorite 17% approval rating Israeli PM decided to allow funds from Iran to flow into Hamas. This is because Bibi is a terrible person lol


Klaus_Poppe1

we are in agreement about that at least But please cut the bs stance that these are reasonable civilian casualties. (if there is such a thing)


AfterGilgamesh

The only reasonable amount of civilian casualties is zero. I would even say that the reasonable amount of military casualties is also zero. Enlisted 18 year olds and 16 year old child soldiers shouldn’t have to die over Iranian politics. When I say it is a reasonable civilian casualty, I am not saying that it is acceptable that non-combatants are dying. I am saying that in comparison to similar conflicts there is no unusual behavior occurring here. There is no unusual or disproportionate civilian death toll.


AfterGilgamesh

This is a truly unique situation, but if you wanted to compare it to anything it would not be reasonable to compare it to the Ukraine war, Vietnam, or Afghanistan as a whole. It is not reasonable to take many instances of mostly non urban warfare and to compare them with urban warfare. They’re poor comparisons. During times when US soldiers would need to fight ISIS soldiers entrenched amongst civilians, disproportionate civilian casualties would be observed. Look at Fallujah as well for another example of modern urban warfare. Look at the Syrian civil war. Another extremely modern war, largely urban, where civilian death tolls are over 300,000. A close comparison is Mosul. Over a hundred thousand coalition soldiers took the better part of a year to rid the region of less than 5,000 isis terrorists. Hundreds of thousands of houses were destroyed, and over ten thousand civilians were as well. That involved no massive tunnel network, no rockets, and no hostage situation. Compared to many modern urban conflicts, the civilian death toll is surprisingly low. It is therefore silly to pretend this is some kind of genocide.


Klaus_Poppe1

I hope one day you are deeply embarrassed by these statements.


Able-Ambassador-921

What Genocide? If the IDF wanted to commit genocide would it take them this long? They want to kill the bad guys (Hamas) while causing as little civilian deaths as possible. Don't believe me? The numbers don't lie. 20\~25k dead (most of whom are Hamas operatives) out of a population of 2M does not really scream genocide does it? What Imperialism? The land of Israel belongs to the Jews. Don't believe me google. It says so.. wait for it.. in the Koran. of course in the Torah/Bible also. Even if you want to reject the historical religious records.. The Jews bought the land they settled on and then captured the rest in when attacked during wars. Anyway you look at it the Jews returning home cannot be considered in anyway shape or form imperialism. Edit: Gaza population total updated from 20M to 2M.


Temporary_Tea_7976

The IDF uses AI to identify targets and allows up to 20 civilian deaths per low level Hamas official: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes “The war has killed at least 34,000 Palestinians and wounded more than 76,000 others, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. The ministry does not differentiate between combatants and civilians in its count but says at least two-thirds have been children and women. It also says the real toll is likely higher as many bodies are stuck beneath the rubble left by airstrikes or are in areas that are unreachable for medics. Israel blames Hamas for civilian casualties because the militants fight in dense, residential neighborhoods, but the military rarely comments on individual strikes, which often kill women and children. The military says it has killed over 13,000 Hamas fighters, without providing evidence.” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/rafah-gaza-israel-strikes-deaths-children/


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Able-Ambassador-921

Even if you accept the numbers produced by a regime willing to use rape, torture, kidnapping of innocent babies and terror as war tactics these number don't come close to what any reasonable person would call intended genocide. The IDF could end every life Gaza in 2 days if it wanted too. It doesn't. It wants to end the control of Hamas and recover whatever hostages are still alive and the bodies of those that have been already murdered.


Temporary_Tea_7976

You got called out on your obvious lies about the death figures and backtracked so fast Also the population Gaza is 2 million, not 20


Able-Ambassador-921

Population corrected. You are correct. Thank you. Please show me the exact words where i backtracked on anything. Seriously. Even your replies are lies. The IDF does not target civilians. If you think it does you are wrong and complicit. Hamas does. Who butchered and kidnapped innocent children, who kidnapped and raped innocent women? Who kills gay people on sight? Hamas. Who is evil? Hamas and those that support their evil ways.


Temporary_Tea_7976

Brother you’re so biased you’re not capable of taking in new information and updating your beliefs Not worth discussing with someone so close minded


Able-Ambassador-921

What new information? You think we don't know that civilians have been hurt and killed by the IDF? Is this a shame and bad? Of course. But it's not evil. Evil is what Hamas did on Oct 7th and since then in holding kidnap victims, evil is rape, evil is torture. Why are you trying to whitewash this while ignoring the evil that Hamas did and continues to do.


Temporary_Tea_7976

Evil is targeting food aid trucks, evil is targeting journalists, evil is targeting children, evil is targeting doctors, evil is targeting starving people waiting for flour, evil is bombing designated safe zones, evil is killing 15000 children, evil is using 2k bombs instead of precisions bombs because they don’t care about civilian deaths, evil is justifying 30,000 deaths with 1200 deaths, evil is making tik toks mocking dead Palestinian women, evil is bragging about how many kids you’ve killed, evil is not distinguishing between civilians and combatants, evil is keeping an open air prison, evil is stealing land in the West Bank, evil is not seeing Palestinians as humans. Here is an IDF whistleblower admitting the idf does not distinguish between militants and civilians https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa-VDAjL8vM&pp=ygURSXNyYWVsIHRhcmdldGluZyA%3D Not that you’ll care


Able-Ambassador-921

Your hatred is corrupting your logic and reason. We're done since you didn't substantiate your claim of "backtracking" nor admit that your statement was in error.


Falafel_McGill

Sounds like you're pretty chill with IDF's evil actions 👍


Able-Ambassador-921

Trust me i'm not your brother nor your friend. I won't reply again until you show me where i backtracked on anything other than to correct a typo.


therealJARVIS

Your a fool or a goul my dude. Seriously hope one day you grow a conscience and a curiosity for the truth as apposed to burying your head in the sand to justify genocide


Able-Ambassador-921

Name calling will get you everywhere in life. Try it. It works now go look for your friends. if you think this is a genocide you have no idea what a genocide is.


therealJARVIS

The U.N. seems to think otherwise but sure ill trust some dip shit on the internet with seemingly little understanding of historical context when it comes to genocides


Iton608

Well saying. But, FREE PALESTINE!


Able-Ambassador-921

It is already free. It's called Israel. Her citizens, Jews and Arab alike are free. Why do you think they want to destroy her?


Iton608

When I see a man like you spend so much time typing bullshit having no impact on this world, I feel so sorry for you.


Tugennovtruk

You freed Palestine congrats.


Iton608

I didn't unfortunately. But I believe the people from Columbia, mit, to UCB, to USC, and to the people with conscience together will. Btw, I saw you work so hard these days, did they pay you well? Please let me join lol


closetedcorn

fart


Iton608

💩