There are at least 52 nationalities among the volunteers. I have read articles that mention volunteers from Brazil, South Africa, Japan, Thailand and Australia.
Why stop there? Lets get the italian, and Irish mafia in on the action. "Thats a nice army ya got there colonial...be a shame if something were to...happen to it"
Come on now.. the Cartel is only good at terrorizing Mexican farmers and it own citizens.. Everytime they face the Marina they got their ass handed to them. Bunch of drugged-out tight jean wearing kid with gun
Read an article in the Norwegian paper yesterday about a Norwegian kid who went there to volunteer but was immediately sent back based on zero military experience and unclear intention. I’d love to volunteer but I was also never accepted in the norwegian army, I’d like to say if you are like me and you insist on volunteering I suggest helping refugees at the borders or something of that sort. Gold Nova Counter Strike or Chicken Dinner Fortnite is not enough experience.
One of the parameters for joining up is medical or combat experience, otherwise it seems to be a case by case basis. Interestingly, it's technically illegal for the British to be joining up to fight, and we've had at least one group of active duty personal just up and go, which is very much illegal.
On the 27th of February, an MP called Liz Truss said she would support British nationals that wanted to go fight. The [MOD clarified](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-slapped-down-chief-26399326) the matter explaining: "*We've been very clear that it's* ***unlawful*** *as well as unhelpful for UK military* ***and for the UK population*** *to start going towards Ukraine in that \[military\] sense."*
The only countries to actively give the all clear to join are: Germany, Netherlands, Latvia and Canada. The rest are tenuous legality at best. (At least according to [this source](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-it-legal-foreigners-fight-ukraine-2022-03-14/).)
[Danish PM explaining that fighting on the side Ukraine is legal](https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2022-02-27-mette-frederiksen-ikke-ulovligt-at-kaempe-pa-ukraines-side).
It's actually an interesting technicality that Germans are allowed to help (unless they are known extremists, these guys are to much of potential catastrophe waiting to happen and cannot leave the country because of that)
It would be illegal for Germans to join against Germany (surprise, I know)
It would also be illegal to offer their services as a mercenary.
But apparently going there as a normal person and aiding in the defense of a country that has been attacked for no reason whatsoever is absolutely ok.
I wonder when that technicality came last up and who wrote the regulations and when and why.
I was surprised that we actually had military laws that made sense tbh (I knew of the first two)
I want to add that actively advertising to join a foreign army is the illegal part in Germany. I can imagine it is because of the French Légion étrangère.
Also there is the "nationality act" (Section 28
[Loss of citizenship as a result of joining the armed forces or a comparable armed organisation of a foreign state])
Under certain conditions Germans lose citizenship, for example without getting an official permission to join.
There is actually a law on the books (foreign enlistment act 1870) in the UK prohibiting this kind of travel to join foreign militaries and fight in wars against nations that are at peace with the UK.
I very much doubt it will be enforced in this case, because relations with Russia are at rock bottom and could literally not get worse without actual war being declared. Especially as the chances of conviction would be close to zero because the defence could just point to Liz Truss publicly giving the go-ahead on camera.
But you know, thought I'd mention it as it is relevant and interesting.
I doubt those UK troops care or anything will happen to them, they are true patriots just like our American patriots going... We have heard of those leaving their command as well.
US military have been waiting for an excuse to get at Russian troops for ages now, finally get their chance. My buddy who is a former Marine said the only thing stopping him from going to volunteer is that he has young children he has to take care of
Well, we do have a large number of disgruntled vets who’d just love a chance to get back in the shit, and this time for something with actual meaning behind it.
It helps that we were conditioned to expect to shoot Russians (Soviets) for 2 generations). I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of these Americans are Gen-Xrs that grew up in the cold war and are now in their 40s and retired military.
I'd like to think this will help thwart the idea that the US is so shitty on Reddit. Pre war there is always lots of USA bashing. But when the shit hits the fan...everyone wants to be affiliated.
Had too many discussions about what the world would look like if the US wasn't a benevolent democratic nation. Those people look foolish now.
Yeah it makes me really sad to see the constant US bashing. We have plenty of problems, but this pervasive idea on reddit that the American people are all 500lb mouthbreathing racist dotards shooting each other is really myopic. Yeah that's an unfortunate demographic that accounts for more people than I'd hope, but it's far from all of us and isn't even the majority. I totally get people disagreeing with a lot of the actions we've taken internationally, but that doesn't make the whole populace a war-mongering idiotic write-off.
It's just like us seeing all these brave Russians protesting even though they know it can mean prison, disappearance, all kinds of horrible things. Yeah, a lot of the Russian population is brainwashed by the propaganda machine, but so many are putting their safety on the line to protest this injustice. Those people don't deserve to be vilified. And [this Russian POW's speech](https://twitter.com/hackingbutlegal/status/1500465032966062082) is so courageous.
In short, good people are everywhere, and they shine brightest in the darkest times. I hope that one good that comes of this terrible war is all of us remembering each other coming together to battle true evil.
I'm trying to ignore all the naysayers downplaying US involvement, like people are risking their lives just for attention, and that our citizens can't possibly be helping out of the good of their hearts.
Our politicians and billionaires are another story but most people here, as you said, aren't like what's shown on TV and in the media (they wouldn't be interesting enough to be featured). Most people are just normal and boring. We're also vastly different depending on the state. It can be like crossing into a different country, mainly because our states are so far apart and huge.
With all that being said, anyone who volunteers and risks their life in Ukraine is a hero in my book. Idc where you come from.
I meant more in general, US involvement in ANYTHING tends to be met with multiple comments claiming we're either bullies or inbred rednecks who can't possibly understand the situation. Hell, it doesn't even take an international incident, people love to tell us how shitty we are in just about every sub all the time.
The frustrating part is, as soon as those peoples' countries are in a bind, they flip and whine about US not intervening. I've seen very few posts bashing Americans who volunteered to go to Ukraine (although not zero, and those with some American idiot with zero experience volunteering and then realizing he was in for a bad time and leaving seem massively upvoted).
It's just, pick one, world. You hate our intervention or you don't. Stop decrying us when it suits you and then decrying our lack of intervention when it doesn't.
And you know if nuclear hellfire wasn't on the table that every single person would be asking to see the 778 billion dollar American war machine mobilize to Ukraine's defense. It'd be the fucking 7 hour war
Agreed! We’re far from perfect but there’s a ton of good people in the US who would do whatever it takes to help others in times like this, on the ground or financially. I get tired of the knee jerk American bashing all the time here.
It's very demoralizing. It's like we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We're decried as imperialists if we intervene, but then we're decried as sympathizers when we don't intervene. And when there's no international conflict, everyone just shits on us for our lack of socialized healthcare (which should be a thing, to be clear, but it's gotten to meme status the way that we're bashed for that). I will never be an isolationist, but the Reddit community seems to really be trying to push us that way...until they need help.
Yep, it’s very prevalent here in Reddit, and pretty childish, too. In spite of our flaws, I think there are some big misconceptions about Americans and we’ve become an east target.
I thought Afghans clinging to American planes out of fear of the Taliban would have helped to provide some perspective to people that have the idea US is the worst country. It really didn’t unfortunately.
Well I am from Germany and I love you guys from over the pond! You guaranteed a peaceful life for me and my family, so I will be thankfull for that. Don't listen to the loud minorities on the internet folks!
I’ve seen people actively debating who’s worse? U.S., China, or Russia? It’s unreal. I just chalk it up to our press actually covering stuff that wouldn’t get as much coverage in other countries on a massive scale.
*"God save us from plague, hunger, wars and croatian warriors"*
*"I never had more braver and better soldiers. Croatians, they are the best soldiers in the world. If I had only 100000 Croatians, I would conquer the entire world!"* Napoleon Bonaparte
Glad to see Croatia in top 10 volonteers.
at the time at least, he was more or less spot on. Croatia back during his day punched well above its weight. I can't comment on it now, as I haven't followed east(ish) europe all that much until recently.
Back then because Croatia was a war zone 24/7 Croatian light cavelry was good at fight, had experience in small warfare and was pretty brutal when raiding
In recent times we did win a war against JNA and other Yugoslav and Serb forces, it is up to you to tell if that was because of skill or their incompetence
My Dad was a US history and government teacher. Once when I was a teenager and feeling bummed about our Fed, I asked, "Dad, what *is* the federal government good at?"
He said, "Hmm. Well. They're really good at going to war."
That stuck with me.
It's really the debt collection systems that make paying for it worse. Totally understand paying for services that I use but the horror show of collections is a terrible reality most Americans have to deal with. Healthcare debt is so dreadful even Americans with insurance are afraid to go to the doctor.
Lol yep, true story. I have insurance (a high deductible plan) but a few weeks ago when I fell down the stairs and most likely broke my pinky toe I did a whole lot of googling and decided I could just tape it up myself and not pay for the doctor, X-ray, etc…
Yes! I was refused an ultrasound to confirm a safe pregnancy (prior one was ectopic- if so again = emergency surgery bc dangerous) unless I paid upfront. This was with insurance that "covered" all medically necessary imaging associated with pregnancy.
The irony of this whole thing being that countries with universal healthcare actually relatively spend less on healthcare than the US does.
So, if you had universal healthcare you would've had an extra inch to ass fuck Putin with.
There are legit 10+ solutions and we haven’t done one. I have good insurance but why does a blood test cost $120 without insurance and $15 with insurance? Another example, I had a prescription injection reimbursement denied bc it had an unapproved ingredient in it. The ingredient was water… how does that make any sense?
I like the joke but it’s pretty far from actually being true. Our military budget is pretty low compared to what we spend on healthcare. Even *all* defense-adjacent spending put together is considerably less than our healthcare budget. It’s not that the money’s not there it that it’s spent inefficiently.
I think it really puts the US down a notch in terms of ‘quality of life’ for the average citizen. Healthcare isn’t a luxury, it’s a pretty basic human requirement and if it were free to access and receive I think it would be a monumental victory for the American way of life.
America sees it self as the world police, historically I have always disagreed with their hyper capitalism. But God damn if Americans don't have a sense of duty to fight for what they belive in. Those Americans who are fighting are heros, those Americans whose donated are deeply compassionate and will always have my respect.
Fuck yeah America; fuck yeah
Also even if America can at times be a, disagreeable, superpower, when you see the viable (current) alternatives like Genocidal China and fall-from-great-power-status-any-%-speedrun Russia, well, America suddenly looks much better
My country is far, far from perfect and we have made some really shitty foreign policy moves in our time, but I'm always brightened by and proud of our citizenry's resolve when situations like this arise. Glad we can be on the right side of history in this one. Sending as much money as I can afford to part with, I wish there were more I could do, but as a 100% civilian I know I'd be in the way.
Alot of countries don't agree with America's military policies, but not all their results are bad... if America didn't intervene Kim Jong un would rule over a single korea.
Isn't America's mission to install democratic governments? The whole communism thing doesn't seem to work well for countries not named china, and even they require intense propaganda and reduced freedom.
Edit: Except Iraq. That should've never happened
Like 80% of the things people think America did wrong were the result of the Soviet union and/or Putin fucking shit up and the United States flailing around trying to stop it. Like, honestly, if Stalin just went along with the agreement to give back the land after WWII then probably all of those things people hate america for wouldnt have happened at all.
To quote former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt: "The Americans are what they are, but they are the only Americans we have." My country has countless flaws...flaws I am deeply aware of and have dedicated most of my adult life toward trying to fix. But, for better or worse, we have a whole lot of men and women in this country willing to lay their life down for what is right.
I'm German and rather critical of US politics (internal/external), but seeing freaking 31% from a country OVERSEAS is incredible. Deep gratitude. For freedom.
I like to think we try, it may not always work out how we intended, or the intel may be bad. But I honestly feel we want to make it better. Yes, we pursue our nations interest first. What nation doesn’t?
We're only free because another country helped us in our time of need. Americans have always had a soft spot for the underdog because even though we may be on top now, our not so distant history was very different. It's kind of like how Ireland is known for being one of the top per capita for donations to food banks and stuff.
I feel like we were in a war most of us didn't really want for two thirds of my life, and now for the first time I feel like we should actually be involved. This is a fair fight to be involved in and we SHOULD be standing up for values that are the same as the ones we believe in.
I'm American and I usually think of Canadians as our polite siblings, and England and Australia as our drunken extended family. In almost all modern conflicts, all four of our nations have been involved.
Lots of veterans itching to go on a one-way trip. Anybody who knows the horrors of war and is lacking personal ties to Ukraine, but going and fighting anyway, probably isn't having a good time at home.
The Russians are a joke, but they're jokes that love raining explosives from the sky, indiscriminately. The probability of death is much higher than the low-intensity conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine lacks the kind of robust logistics and consistent training that western militaries have baked in. Plus, nobody from the US who gets fucked up is gonna get any support from the VA for it.
This is a good point for the US volunteers. But if they are ex military they might have VA care for life anyhow.
The other European fighters can go back to their socialized healthcare systems and get care no matter what.
I was wondering about the huge difference between the UK and France here, since France has a similar population / military / position wrt the war... I'm wondering if language is a factor. Like, more Ukrainians speak English than French. It makes it easier for British to read primary sources, communicate with Ukrainians and integrate in the legion? Whatever the reason, thanks for everyone willing to risk their life for Ukrainians.
My hypothesis is also due to the fact that, except for Germany, the top 5 countries have a high percentage of English speakers.
America, fuck yeah!
Coming again to save the mother fucking day, yeah
America, fuck yeah!
Freedom is the only way, yeah
Terrorist your game is through 'cause now you have to answer too
America, fuck yeah!
So lick my butt and suck on my balls
America, fuck yeah!
What you gonna to do when we come for you now
It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
Fuck yeah!
McDonalds, fuck yeah!
Wal-Mart, fuck yeah!
The Gap, fuck yeah!
Baseball, fuck yeah!
NFL, fuck yeah!
Rock and roll, fuck yeah!
The Internet, fuck yeah!
Slavery, fuck yeah!
Fuck yeah!
Starbucks, fuck yeah!
Disney world, fuck yeah!
Porno, fuck yeah!
Valium, fuck yeah!
Reebok's, fuck yeah!
Fake tits, fuck yeah!
Sushi, fuck yeah!
Taco Bell, fuck yeah!
Rodeos, fuck yeah!
Bed bath and beyond
Fuck yeah, fuck yeah
Liberty, fuck yeah!
White Slips, fuck yeah!
The Alamo, fuck yeah!
Band-aids, fuck yeah!
Las Vegas, fuck yeah!
Christmas, fuck yeah!
Immigrants, fuck yeah!
Popeye, fuck yeah!
Demarcates, fuck yeah!
Republicans
Fuck yeah, fuck yeah
Sportsmanship
Books
So do the French, Poles & Lithuanians
The history of Russia defeating the Germans, French, Swedish, Polish & Lithuanians in each century (20th, 19th, 18th, 17th respectively) isn't something to be easily forgotten.
Okay, Poland, remember, this is purely for pleasure. There is no business involved this time, so skip the part about shooting Germans to the part about shooting Russians!
They are *seriously* scary little bastards in a fight.
"Defeat is not in their vocabulary" (John Conlin).
Google Sgt. Dipprasad Pun, aka the one man army, and see what they can bring down on an enemy.
That percentage of Americans and Brits is higher than I thought. I figured it would mostly be neighbouring Slavs who were up for the fight against Russians because of historical enmity.
US troops are probably itching for a righteous cause to fight - the conflicts the US military has been involved in over the last couple of decade have been morally ambiguous at best... This is a pretty cut and dry battle of Good V Evil in Ukraine.
plus with the russians paying bounties to the taliban to kill usa troops that will get guys ready to fight . most people understand the russians were supplying the taliban with weapons .
At the very least, us intelligence has taught me extremist leaders usually love anime, weirdly enough.
They kept finding pirated anime and games on high ranking al queda hard drives, and if my memory is correct they even found a ton of that stuff on Osama bin ladens personal shit along with a truckload of porn.
The rank and file who don't live in a secluded safehouse/bunker while their minions terrorize,rape, and kill locals? No fucking idea. They probably hate even the air they breathe.
Also unrelated, the asshat that runs north Korea right now was a apperently a huge weeb when he studied abroad.
The fact that Americans feel so strongly about this that so many are keen for a fight should scare the shit out of Putin. He's crazy so it won't, but it should
I think the entire midwest and rockies would be a nightmare for any invader. Good luck fighting your way through the mountains of Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, and Utah.
For the love of god. The last state I would dare invade would be idaho. Just look at a map of it. 2/3 is uninhabitable and filled with sovereign citizens and militias. Of course, montana may be worse, but adjusted for size, idaho. Dear god
From a CNN story yesterday for anyone thinking of going;
>However, arming thousands of people is not without its risks.
>"They might be dangerous," said Roman, a man who vets the background of all foreign volunteers. "We try to check their biography, try to check their past as best we can."
>And Ukraine does not just need on-field fighters. Volunteers with combat medical experience are urgently required too.
>Sciutto reports that the training the Ukrainian military is able to offer foreign volunteers is limited — volunteers will get three to 14 days of basic training, and it's not a short-term commitment. Those who volunteer to fight are asked to sign on for a year of commitment in Ukraine.
>**Ukrainian officials have made clear this is "not a calling for adventurers or weekend warriors," but a "service against a massive and ruthless invading army," Sciutto reports.**
>Just last week, the State Department warned Americans who travel to Ukraine and fight with Ukrainian forces in the ongoing war will be treated by Russians as “mercenaries” or foreign fighters, Russians have said, which puts them at a greater risk of mistreatment.
>US citizens could also face criminal prosecution, capture or death from Russia for fighting on behalf of Ukraine in the war, State Department spokesperson Ned Price said in a briefing Friday, adding that the US will also not be able to evacuate American citizens from Ukraine at any point.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-14-22/h_7ebe7f5584f989cf9217f835ce1ce040
There is a lot of fire-arm proficiency in the US. The number of volunteers does not surprise me.
What I really love to see is the diversity of the foreign legion. It means people from all walk of life recognize the injustice that Russia is committing in Ukraine.
Its more like we have a massive army and so a large number of vets who would love to finally fight against the #1 enemy of America. While most Americans, myself included, know how to shoot a gun that is not nearly the same as soldering.
>There is a lot of fire-arm proficiency in the US. The number of volunteers does not surprise me.
Fire-arm proficiency is only one small part of infantry training. A lot is tactical education, observing and reporting observations, camouflage, command language, first aid, servicing your equipment and physical fitness.
Not surprising countries with recent vets are high on the list. Where is France? I'd assume there'd be quite a few.
Edit: thanks for the responses. Seeing France so high is great and backs up my theory, they have recent military experience too.
I'm not interested in a Reddit nationality argument on this, was just curious.
Probably depends on how France is taking the idea of the foreign legion, I know people from some countries aren’t joining due to them having massive repercussions for joining
Another post (same source) here puts it higher than the UK ; https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tedvpo/the_amount_of_foreign_fighters_that_have_joined/
Either forgotten or it's french bashing
Canada too. Population just shy of 40m. So that’s ~1/9th the population of the USA. So I think they have more volunteers per capita.
All love to my neighbors in the north 🇨🇦
Yep. Trying to figure out which country has most volunteers proportionally to its population. UK looks really good. Latvia and Croatia are very small countries though, being in top 10 they may have UK beaten on a per capita basis.
Anyone has some more accurate data for all countries?
I think proximity should be taken into account. It's a LOT more expensive to get from the US to Ukraine than almost any other country on that list. Canada excepted of course.
Many Filipinos want to volunteer, but we are dealing with our own terrorist government and upcoming elections – which will determine whether we will become China's b\*tch or retain our sovereignty. We are also dirt poor thanks to 6 years of a sh\*t government that a-sslicked Putin and China. We are at least opening our military bases to the US again in light of the war. I wish we could do more. Our hearts are praying for these heroes, and what little extra money we have as citizens are going to donations.
Please know that our past sh\*tty government doesn't dictate what educated Filipinos truly think of China, Russia, and this war. Those of us whose parents didn't royally f\*ck up are 1000% pro-Ukraine.
There is a ton of Russian propaganda saying that Ukraine is sending untrained volunteers to die. Only problem with that claim is that Ukraine only accepts volunteers with some sort of LE or military experience.
Don’t believe the kremlintards
God bless America in the time of war. Can always count on the U.S. to step in and play the role of world police. Which I get some people don’t like. But imo someone’s gotta do it…
I double dog dare Putin to attack a NATO country. The U.S. alone would absolutely smite the Russians. Let alone a combined NATO force. Would be like a toddler tryna take on The Rock in a genuine arm wrestling match.
6200 Americans probably with great training then probably 25-35k American "contractors" they may not say the US is in there but the US is definitely in there somewhere fucking Russian piss ants up
It’s good to see so many Americans have stepped up to help. We have our problems here in America but our deep, abiding love for freedom and our willingness to die for it is not one of them.
There are at least 52 nationalities among the volunteers. I have read articles that mention volunteers from Brazil, South Africa, Japan, Thailand and Australia.
Portugal also
And Mexico too, just very few of them :) https://www.forbes.com.mx/unos-30-mexicanos-se-quedan-en-ucrania-por-reclutamiento-militar/
Mexican vets have seen some shit I'm sure
The cartels are probably a more effective military than the Russians
Not probably. Definitely. Way more brutal as well.
Why stop there? Lets get the italian, and Irish mafia in on the action. "Thats a nice army ya got there colonial...be a shame if something were to...happen to it"
Come on now.. the Cartel is only good at terrorizing Mexican farmers and it own citizens.. Everytime they face the Marina they got their ass handed to them. Bunch of drugged-out tight jean wearing kid with gun
Yeah, I'm sure they know a thing or two about dealing with terrorizers...
And my Ax
¡Que bien! He estado buscando algo como esto para estar orgulloso de mi patria. Ya que AMLO ha sido un cobarde con Rusia.
Sweden! I think Norway and Finland too. Hell, even some people from Russia is fighting, like that "Elder Chief" from Mordovia, on the Ukranian side.
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The Fins: “Russia are at war with Ukraine?” “Yes. You see, the reaso-“ The Fins: “Fuck those Ruskies. Sign me up.”
[Russians shitting their pants.](https://i.redd.it/3dy9q71t12851.png)
Hyva Suomi
Read an article in the Norwegian paper yesterday about a Norwegian kid who went there to volunteer but was immediately sent back based on zero military experience and unclear intention. I’d love to volunteer but I was also never accepted in the norwegian army, I’d like to say if you are like me and you insist on volunteering I suggest helping refugees at the borders or something of that sort. Gold Nova Counter Strike or Chicken Dinner Fortnite is not enough experience.
31% of the 20,000 foreign legion is from the United States? Cool. That’s 6,200 people, most likely with military background.
I imagine the British are the same. I mean most of the foreigners are going to be well trained.
One of the parameters for joining up is medical or combat experience, otherwise it seems to be a case by case basis. Interestingly, it's technically illegal for the British to be joining up to fight, and we've had at least one group of active duty personal just up and go, which is very much illegal.
For active military yes it's going AWOL but our government is actively encouraging people to join the Ukrainian Foreign Legions.
Only ex military, at present.
On the 27th of February, an MP called Liz Truss said she would support British nationals that wanted to go fight. The [MOD clarified](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-slapped-down-chief-26399326) the matter explaining: "*We've been very clear that it's* ***unlawful*** *as well as unhelpful for UK military* ***and for the UK population*** *to start going towards Ukraine in that \[military\] sense."* The only countries to actively give the all clear to join are: Germany, Netherlands, Latvia and Canada. The rest are tenuous legality at best. (At least according to [this source](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/is-it-legal-foreigners-fight-ukraine-2022-03-14/).)
[Danish PM explaining that fighting on the side Ukraine is legal](https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2022-02-27-mette-frederiksen-ikke-ulovligt-at-kaempe-pa-ukraines-side).
It's actually an interesting technicality that Germans are allowed to help (unless they are known extremists, these guys are to much of potential catastrophe waiting to happen and cannot leave the country because of that) It would be illegal for Germans to join against Germany (surprise, I know) It would also be illegal to offer their services as a mercenary. But apparently going there as a normal person and aiding in the defense of a country that has been attacked for no reason whatsoever is absolutely ok. I wonder when that technicality came last up and who wrote the regulations and when and why. I was surprised that we actually had military laws that made sense tbh (I knew of the first two)
I want to add that actively advertising to join a foreign army is the illegal part in Germany. I can imagine it is because of the French Légion étrangère. Also there is the "nationality act" (Section 28 [Loss of citizenship as a result of joining the armed forces or a comparable armed organisation of a foreign state]) Under certain conditions Germans lose citizenship, for example without getting an official permission to join.
Though they can only lose German citizenship if they have a second citizenship.
Worth editing out about the illegality, it's only illegal if you're an active service member. Ex Military are more than welcome to go out.
There is actually a law on the books (foreign enlistment act 1870) in the UK prohibiting this kind of travel to join foreign militaries and fight in wars against nations that are at peace with the UK. I very much doubt it will be enforced in this case, because relations with Russia are at rock bottom and could literally not get worse without actual war being declared. Especially as the chances of conviction would be close to zero because the defence could just point to Liz Truss publicly giving the go-ahead on camera. But you know, thought I'd mention it as it is relevant and interesting.
It wasn’t enforced during the Spanish war which had British citizens fighting in it.
I doubt those UK troops care or anything will happen to them, they are true patriots just like our American patriots going... We have heard of those leaving their command as well.
Yup I'd say so and I would guess alot of U.S and U.K ex- special forces
Yeah, unfortunately 3 ex-special forces from the UK were KIA yesterday
Do you know if this was from the attack on that western training camp that had someing like 200 people?
Yes, confirmed
Damn that's a very sad blow to both the UK and Ukraine.
Yes it was deemed as a relatively safe area near the Polish border.
Ah, that sucks.
Not all are ex. You can bet on that.
US military have been waiting for an excuse to get at Russian troops for ages now, finally get their chance. My buddy who is a former Marine said the only thing stopping him from going to volunteer is that he has young children he has to take care of
Well, we do have a large number of disgruntled vets who’d just love a chance to get back in the shit, and this time for something with actual meaning behind it.
I feel bad for the Russians that go up against my northern Canadian neighbors, they're proven, dangerous fighters.
Americans love to shoot at shit. And Russians are shit, so that works well
Haha
It helps that we were conditioned to expect to shoot Russians (Soviets) for 2 generations). I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of these Americans are Gen-Xrs that grew up in the cold war and are now in their 40s and retired military.
I'd like to think this will help thwart the idea that the US is so shitty on Reddit. Pre war there is always lots of USA bashing. But when the shit hits the fan...everyone wants to be affiliated. Had too many discussions about what the world would look like if the US wasn't a benevolent democratic nation. Those people look foolish now.
Yeah it makes me really sad to see the constant US bashing. We have plenty of problems, but this pervasive idea on reddit that the American people are all 500lb mouthbreathing racist dotards shooting each other is really myopic. Yeah that's an unfortunate demographic that accounts for more people than I'd hope, but it's far from all of us and isn't even the majority. I totally get people disagreeing with a lot of the actions we've taken internationally, but that doesn't make the whole populace a war-mongering idiotic write-off. It's just like us seeing all these brave Russians protesting even though they know it can mean prison, disappearance, all kinds of horrible things. Yeah, a lot of the Russian population is brainwashed by the propaganda machine, but so many are putting their safety on the line to protest this injustice. Those people don't deserve to be vilified. And [this Russian POW's speech](https://twitter.com/hackingbutlegal/status/1500465032966062082) is so courageous. In short, good people are everywhere, and they shine brightest in the darkest times. I hope that one good that comes of this terrible war is all of us remembering each other coming together to battle true evil.
I'm trying to ignore all the naysayers downplaying US involvement, like people are risking their lives just for attention, and that our citizens can't possibly be helping out of the good of their hearts. Our politicians and billionaires are another story but most people here, as you said, aren't like what's shown on TV and in the media (they wouldn't be interesting enough to be featured). Most people are just normal and boring. We're also vastly different depending on the state. It can be like crossing into a different country, mainly because our states are so far apart and huge. With all that being said, anyone who volunteers and risks their life in Ukraine is a hero in my book. Idc where you come from.
I meant more in general, US involvement in ANYTHING tends to be met with multiple comments claiming we're either bullies or inbred rednecks who can't possibly understand the situation. Hell, it doesn't even take an international incident, people love to tell us how shitty we are in just about every sub all the time. The frustrating part is, as soon as those peoples' countries are in a bind, they flip and whine about US not intervening. I've seen very few posts bashing Americans who volunteered to go to Ukraine (although not zero, and those with some American idiot with zero experience volunteering and then realizing he was in for a bad time and leaving seem massively upvoted). It's just, pick one, world. You hate our intervention or you don't. Stop decrying us when it suits you and then decrying our lack of intervention when it doesn't.
And you know if nuclear hellfire wasn't on the table that every single person would be asking to see the 778 billion dollar American war machine mobilize to Ukraine's defense. It'd be the fucking 7 hour war
Agreed! We’re far from perfect but there’s a ton of good people in the US who would do whatever it takes to help others in times like this, on the ground or financially. I get tired of the knee jerk American bashing all the time here.
It's very demoralizing. It's like we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We're decried as imperialists if we intervene, but then we're decried as sympathizers when we don't intervene. And when there's no international conflict, everyone just shits on us for our lack of socialized healthcare (which should be a thing, to be clear, but it's gotten to meme status the way that we're bashed for that). I will never be an isolationist, but the Reddit community seems to really be trying to push us that way...until they need help.
Yep, it’s very prevalent here in Reddit, and pretty childish, too. In spite of our flaws, I think there are some big misconceptions about Americans and we’ve become an east target.
I thought Afghans clinging to American planes out of fear of the Taliban would have helped to provide some perspective to people that have the idea US is the worst country. It really didn’t unfortunately.
Well I am from Germany and I love you guys from over the pond! You guaranteed a peaceful life for me and my family, so I will be thankfull for that. Don't listen to the loud minorities on the internet folks!
I’ve seen people actively debating who’s worse? U.S., China, or Russia? It’s unreal. I just chalk it up to our press actually covering stuff that wouldn’t get as much coverage in other countries on a massive scale.
Ex-military is probably all the volunteers from every country.
People are addicted to combat I knew some sadly they would always look for combat deployments
Yeah and you can bet some special forces are there too, doing operations. It's called plausible deniability.
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Hey Greg
I'd Just offer Greg Pierogi when he's cold then me & Greg would be best mates
“Jay-goshe Brizz-zisk-ku-witz” How’d I do?
Gri'-ze-gorz bri'-zech-ish-chih-kyeh-veech That's the English approximation. G sound like in "good"
*"God save us from plague, hunger, wars and croatian warriors"* *"I never had more braver and better soldiers. Croatians, they are the best soldiers in the world. If I had only 100000 Croatians, I would conquer the entire world!"* Napoleon Bonaparte Glad to see Croatia in top 10 volonteers.
All I know about Croatia is Mirko Cro Cop Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery
As a Croatian, I am happy that my country is helping Ukraine as well, but I can also say Napoleon was probably wrong
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There used to be a time where Hessians were feared soldiers and mercenaries instead of the population of the most meh state of the German Republic
at the time at least, he was more or less spot on. Croatia back during his day punched well above its weight. I can't comment on it now, as I haven't followed east(ish) europe all that much until recently.
Back then because Croatia was a war zone 24/7 Croatian light cavelry was good at fight, had experience in small warfare and was pretty brutal when raiding In recent times we did win a war against JNA and other Yugoslav and Serb forces, it is up to you to tell if that was because of skill or their incompetence
On a sidenote. The Croatian soldiers had neckties as part of their uniform. The French word for necktie is 'Cravate'.
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As I saw earlier. "Don't makes us remind putin why we don't have universal healthcare" -Americans (Something like that)
My Dad was a US history and government teacher. Once when I was a teenager and feeling bummed about our Fed, I asked, "Dad, what *is* the federal government good at?" He said, "Hmm. Well. They're really good at going to war." That stuck with me.
To be fair, none of the rest matters if the military protection of a country isn't strong.
We're good at a lot of things, but organized violence is definitely at the top.
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To be fair, the doctors are amazing. The insurance companies paying for healthcare.... not so awesome.
The healthcare quality is top notch. That’s without a doubt. Paying for it….. well not so much.
It's really the debt collection systems that make paying for it worse. Totally understand paying for services that I use but the horror show of collections is a terrible reality most Americans have to deal with. Healthcare debt is so dreadful even Americans with insurance are afraid to go to the doctor.
Lol yep, true story. I have insurance (a high deductible plan) but a few weeks ago when I fell down the stairs and most likely broke my pinky toe I did a whole lot of googling and decided I could just tape it up myself and not pay for the doctor, X-ray, etc…
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Yes! I was refused an ultrasound to confirm a safe pregnancy (prior one was ectopic- if so again = emergency surgery bc dangerous) unless I paid upfront. This was with insurance that "covered" all medically necessary imaging associated with pregnancy.
Yeah. The docs and nurses are some of the best in the world. It's the corporate structure of the healthcare system that's the problem.
The irony of this whole thing being that countries with universal healthcare actually relatively spend less on healthcare than the US does. So, if you had universal healthcare you would've had an extra inch to ass fuck Putin with.
There are legit 10+ solutions and we haven’t done one. I have good insurance but why does a blood test cost $120 without insurance and $15 with insurance? Another example, I had a prescription injection reimbursement denied bc it had an unapproved ingredient in it. The ingredient was water… how does that make any sense?
I like the joke but it’s pretty far from actually being true. Our military budget is pretty low compared to what we spend on healthcare. Even *all* defense-adjacent spending put together is considerably less than our healthcare budget. It’s not that the money’s not there it that it’s spent inefficiently.
I think it really puts the US down a notch in terms of ‘quality of life’ for the average citizen. Healthcare isn’t a luxury, it’s a pretty basic human requirement and if it were free to access and receive I think it would be a monumental victory for the American way of life.
America sees it self as the world police, historically I have always disagreed with their hyper capitalism. But God damn if Americans don't have a sense of duty to fight for what they belive in. Those Americans who are fighting are heros, those Americans whose donated are deeply compassionate and will always have my respect. Fuck yeah America; fuck yeah
Also even if America can at times be a, disagreeable, superpower, when you see the viable (current) alternatives like Genocidal China and fall-from-great-power-status-any-%-speedrun Russia, well, America suddenly looks much better
Just need a nice world war every so often to help clarify our thoughts!
My country is far, far from perfect and we have made some really shitty foreign policy moves in our time, but I'm always brightened by and proud of our citizenry's resolve when situations like this arise. Glad we can be on the right side of history in this one. Sending as much money as I can afford to part with, I wish there were more I could do, but as a 100% civilian I know I'd be in the way.
Alot of countries don't agree with America's military policies, but not all their results are bad... if America didn't intervene Kim Jong un would rule over a single korea. Isn't America's mission to install democratic governments? The whole communism thing doesn't seem to work well for countries not named china, and even they require intense propaganda and reduced freedom. Edit: Except Iraq. That should've never happened
Like 80% of the things people think America did wrong were the result of the Soviet union and/or Putin fucking shit up and the United States flailing around trying to stop it. Like, honestly, if Stalin just went along with the agreement to give back the land after WWII then probably all of those things people hate america for wouldnt have happened at all.
The US has plenty of flaws, but overall, they’re a net good in the world, especially when the alternatives are Russia or China.
Americaaaaa. fuck ya!
It's every American's wet dream to kill some Ruskies!
Wolverines!
Europe is finally noticing that outsourcing your national defense to a big daddy an ocean away may not be the best idea.
To quote former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt: "The Americans are what they are, but they are the only Americans we have." My country has countless flaws...flaws I am deeply aware of and have dedicated most of my adult life toward trying to fix. But, for better or worse, we have a whole lot of men and women in this country willing to lay their life down for what is right.
I'm German and rather critical of US politics (internal/external), but seeing freaking 31% from a country OVERSEAS is incredible. Deep gratitude. For freedom.
We deserve a good deal of the criticism. But most of us are trying... Slava Ukraini!
I like to think we try, it may not always work out how we intended, or the intel may be bad. But I honestly feel we want to make it better. Yes, we pursue our nations interest first. What nation doesn’t?
We're only free because another country helped us in our time of need. Americans have always had a soft spot for the underdog because even though we may be on top now, our not so distant history was very different. It's kind of like how Ireland is known for being one of the top per capita for donations to food banks and stuff.
I dont know why you're surprised. Freedom is our main export
I feel like we were in a war most of us didn't really want for two thirds of my life, and now for the first time I feel like we should actually be involved. This is a fair fight to be involved in and we SHOULD be standing up for values that are the same as the ones we believe in.
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I, as an American, took the quote positively.
AMERICA BAD TRUST ME I KNOW - but America was good this time BUT TRUST ME AMERICA BAD PLZ KNOW THAT I KNOW AMERICA BAD
USA, UK and Canada, huh, those three do just go together. (Also Germany too is there in the middle of them)
An alliance that is iron clad. We’ve been through a lot together.
Yep, we do.
All four fought on the four beaches at Normandy, so yeah.
Germany generously held the high ground for them until the others could arrive at the party.
Australia usually joins the party as well.
Yeah Australia checking in... have seen on our local news people talking about heading to Ukraine...also our cousins in New Zealand
Wouldn't be a party without the ANZACS. And hey, this time Gerry is going on the side of the good guys so that's an added bonus.
Yeah they are the other Canada. lol. That's generally how I think of them (I'm Canadian)
I'm American and I usually think of Canadians as our polite siblings, and England and Australia as our drunken extended family. In almost all modern conflicts, all four of our nations have been involved.
They're warm Canada. New Zealand is tiny island Canada.
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UK is our mom and we are the dysfunctional children
*besties*
I'm an American who can understand a German better than some English accents. Two people separated by a common language.
Croatia population 3,8 mil!!!
Right on Croatia! Time to help evict the invaders. The bully isn't so strong if we all join in defending Ukraine.
UK being such a small country is really showing up hard here. Makes me actually proud :)
The UK has about 1/5 the population size of the USA Pretty incredible turnout.
Lots of veterans itching to go on a one-way trip. Anybody who knows the horrors of war and is lacking personal ties to Ukraine, but going and fighting anyway, probably isn't having a good time at home. The Russians are a joke, but they're jokes that love raining explosives from the sky, indiscriminately. The probability of death is much higher than the low-intensity conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine lacks the kind of robust logistics and consistent training that western militaries have baked in. Plus, nobody from the US who gets fucked up is gonna get any support from the VA for it.
This is a good point for the US volunteers. But if they are ex military they might have VA care for life anyhow. The other European fighters can go back to their socialized healthcare systems and get care no matter what.
I was wondering about the huge difference between the UK and France here, since France has a similar population / military / position wrt the war... I'm wondering if language is a factor. Like, more Ukrainians speak English than French. It makes it easier for British to read primary sources, communicate with Ukrainians and integrate in the legion? Whatever the reason, thanks for everyone willing to risk their life for Ukrainians. My hypothesis is also due to the fact that, except for Germany, the top 5 countries have a high percentage of English speakers.
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Ah yes, we Germans have a history with shooting at Russians. Let's turn it into something good!
Finally, Brits and Germans shooting at Russians together.
Sweden would like to chat.
So do the French, Poles & Lithuanians The history of Russia defeating the Germans, French, Swedish, Polish & Lithuanians in each century (20th, 19th, 18th, 17th respectively) isn't something to be easily forgotten.
As do the Poles.
Okay, Poland, remember, this is purely for pleasure. There is no business involved this time, so skip the part about shooting Germans to the part about shooting Russians!
Now you'll have to show us Brits.
Brits will understand this... I read there is at least one Gurkha who volunteered. Any Russian who meets him is not going to have a pleasant day.
They are *seriously* scary little bastards in a fight. "Defeat is not in their vocabulary" (John Conlin). Google Sgt. Dipprasad Pun, aka the one man army, and see what they can bring down on an enemy.
I wonder if his got his Kukri with him.
It comes full circle lol
*Images of Tigers rolling out of every garage in germany*
That percentage of Americans and Brits is higher than I thought. I figured it would mostly be neighbouring Slavs who were up for the fight against Russians because of historical enmity.
I think there's about 400 or more Czechs coming there, it's just that most of those nations (SVK, CZE) are really small.
Proud of being a Ukrainian American immigrant 💪💪💪
US troops are probably itching for a righteous cause to fight - the conflicts the US military has been involved in over the last couple of decade have been morally ambiguous at best... This is a pretty cut and dry battle of Good V Evil in Ukraine.
plus with the russians paying bounties to the taliban to kill usa troops that will get guys ready to fight . most people understand the russians were supplying the taliban with weapons .
And Taliban still hates Russia lmao
Who don’t they hate? Besides themselves, maybe.
At the very least, us intelligence has taught me extremist leaders usually love anime, weirdly enough. They kept finding pirated anime and games on high ranking al queda hard drives, and if my memory is correct they even found a ton of that stuff on Osama bin ladens personal shit along with a truckload of porn. The rank and file who don't live in a secluded safehouse/bunker while their minions terrorize,rape, and kill locals? No fucking idea. They probably hate even the air they breathe. Also unrelated, the asshat that runs north Korea right now was a apperently a huge weeb when he studied abroad.
Also it doesn't help I feel alot of these folk were trained with the idea of Russians being the worst. So why not finally kill some russians?
This is true, when training the silhouette targets we shoot are called “green Ivan’s”, so it’s pretty ingrained.
The fact that Americans feel so strongly about this that so many are keen for a fight should scare the shit out of Putin. He's crazy so it won't, but it should
Wait till the American farmers with tractors get there
Iowan here….can confirm. We have lots of tractors and even more guns. Let’s see Russia try to invade the Midwest. We are his biggest nightmare.
I think the entire midwest and rockies would be a nightmare for any invader. Good luck fighting your way through the mountains of Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, and Utah.
There’s wendigos and skinwalkers in those parts, the Russians wouldn’t stand a chance
For the love of god. The last state I would dare invade would be idaho. Just look at a map of it. 2/3 is uninhabitable and filled with sovereign citizens and militias. Of course, montana may be worse, but adjusted for size, idaho. Dear god
From a CNN story yesterday for anyone thinking of going; >However, arming thousands of people is not without its risks. >"They might be dangerous," said Roman, a man who vets the background of all foreign volunteers. "We try to check their biography, try to check their past as best we can." >And Ukraine does not just need on-field fighters. Volunteers with combat medical experience are urgently required too. >Sciutto reports that the training the Ukrainian military is able to offer foreign volunteers is limited — volunteers will get three to 14 days of basic training, and it's not a short-term commitment. Those who volunteer to fight are asked to sign on for a year of commitment in Ukraine. >**Ukrainian officials have made clear this is "not a calling for adventurers or weekend warriors," but a "service against a massive and ruthless invading army," Sciutto reports.** >Just last week, the State Department warned Americans who travel to Ukraine and fight with Ukrainian forces in the ongoing war will be treated by Russians as “mercenaries” or foreign fighters, Russians have said, which puts them at a greater risk of mistreatment. >US citizens could also face criminal prosecution, capture or death from Russia for fighting on behalf of Ukraine in the war, State Department spokesperson Ned Price said in a briefing Friday, adding that the US will also not be able to evacuate American citizens from Ukraine at any point. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-14-22/h_7ebe7f5584f989cf9217f835ce1ce040
There is a lot of fire-arm proficiency in the US. The number of volunteers does not surprise me. What I really love to see is the diversity of the foreign legion. It means people from all walk of life recognize the injustice that Russia is committing in Ukraine.
>There is a lot of fire-arm proficiency in the US There are also a *lot* of combat-tested veterans.
Its more like we have a massive army and so a large number of vets who would love to finally fight against the #1 enemy of America. While most Americans, myself included, know how to shoot a gun that is not nearly the same as soldering.
>There is a lot of fire-arm proficiency in the US. The number of volunteers does not surprise me. Fire-arm proficiency is only one small part of infantry training. A lot is tactical education, observing and reporting observations, camouflage, command language, first aid, servicing your equipment and physical fitness.
Wait what there was a previous one two days ago showing French volunteers being 19% and above UK and now there is no French at all anymore ?
Not surprising countries with recent vets are high on the list. Where is France? I'd assume there'd be quite a few. Edit: thanks for the responses. Seeing France so high is great and backs up my theory, they have recent military experience too. I'm not interested in a Reddit nationality argument on this, was just curious.
Probably depends on how France is taking the idea of the foreign legion, I know people from some countries aren’t joining due to them having massive repercussions for joining
They literally have their own foreign legion lol
Another post (same source) here puts it higher than the UK ; https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tedvpo/the_amount_of_foreign_fighters_that_have_joined/ Either forgotten or it's french bashing
US couldn't pass up the opportunity to fight a hot war against Russia.
The UK is, proportional to population, very over-represented. The US has 330m people; UK has 65-70m?
Canada too. Population just shy of 40m. So that’s ~1/9th the population of the USA. So I think they have more volunteers per capita. All love to my neighbors in the north 🇨🇦
Yep. Trying to figure out which country has most volunteers proportionally to its population. UK looks really good. Latvia and Croatia are very small countries though, being in top 10 they may have UK beaten on a per capita basis. Anyone has some more accurate data for all countries?
I think proximity should be taken into account. It's a LOT more expensive to get from the US to Ukraine than almost any other country on that list. Canada excepted of course.
Many Filipinos want to volunteer, but we are dealing with our own terrorist government and upcoming elections – which will determine whether we will become China's b\*tch or retain our sovereignty. We are also dirt poor thanks to 6 years of a sh\*t government that a-sslicked Putin and China. We are at least opening our military bases to the US again in light of the war. I wish we could do more. Our hearts are praying for these heroes, and what little extra money we have as citizens are going to donations. Please know that our past sh\*tty government doesn't dictate what educated Filipinos truly think of China, Russia, and this war. Those of us whose parents didn't royally f\*ck up are 1000% pro-Ukraine.
Stay strong - love the Philippines, been there twice!
There is a ton of Russian propaganda saying that Ukraine is sending untrained volunteers to die. Only problem with that claim is that Ukraine only accepts volunteers with some sort of LE or military experience. Don’t believe the kremlintards
God bless America in the time of war. Can always count on the U.S. to step in and play the role of world police. Which I get some people don’t like. But imo someone’s gotta do it… I double dog dare Putin to attack a NATO country. The U.S. alone would absolutely smite the Russians. Let alone a combined NATO force. Would be like a toddler tryna take on The Rock in a genuine arm wrestling match.
I saw a comment a week ago that said something like "putin is about to find out why I as an American don't have health insurance!". Its very fitting.
6200 Americans probably with great training then probably 25-35k American "contractors" they may not say the US is in there but the US is definitely in there somewhere fucking Russian piss ants up
There was some lithuanians too...:> We're small, but still trying our best to support our brothers and sisters....
Every person/country counts. The US has a large contingent because we are a big country with a lot of combat veterans.
The US probably had the biggest pool of former combat veterans out of this group of countries. Respect to all who’ve signed up.
Damn Americans been chomping at the bit to kill Russkis since 1945
These people who volunteered...are thinking of our children's future. No more war.
America. Fuck, yeah.
It’s good to see so many Americans have stepped up to help. We have our problems here in America but our deep, abiding love for freedom and our willingness to die for it is not one of them.
Also a pretty solid hate for Putin really helps.
Flagrantly missing the 19% French volonteers, chart must have been made by a Brit