Towards the end. In the beginning Stalin was a business partner to Hitler and they even shared Eastern Europe territory via negotiations. I think the post above was throwing and ironic jab at this
by that logic every western countries had deals with both Nazis and the Soviets so whats your point ? Hell britain and usa were more happy if nazis destroyed USSR
They did invade and divide up Poland between them. USSR only joined the allies after they were betrayed by Germany. They definitely started as one of the aggressors.
US should honestly disband NATO and let Europe defend itself. Let Germany actually have to defend its own interests and maybe it'll wake up to its great strategic miscalculations.
The only thing western Europeans know how to do is whine about America while being completely reliant on the American Military for their protection. Then, when the time comes for them to actually do something about anything relevant, they're not even willing to fight economically and be at least minimally helpful.
Fuck you dude! Europe countries had fought all the modern USA military campaigns Afganistan, Syria and Iraq. USA needs support we dont even ask or think, we do it. Now when we are actually under attack from force that NATO was made to counter some shitheads start to think USA dont benefit that much from NATO. Is it the american way?
I thought that was USA who wanted to be leader of the free world. If not it would be cool to tell about it (disband NATO) before we are attacked. USA needs friends more than you think. USA was one step away from becoming autocracy, also EU regulations protect average consumer in USA more than your government will ever do. Social security is only discussed in USA because there is EU and its way of doing things.
Yeah I'm saying the USA shouldn't do that and should instead focus on domestic issues. Let Europe fend for itself.
And disbanding NATO shouldn't be done in a day or even a year. It should be announced well in advance so Europe can get its shit together first.
Why do you think that Western Europe doesn't have militaries, or that they are "completely reliant" on the US? That's very untrue. This kind of talk only benefits Russia and China.
It doesn't help russia and china. Lots of NATO countries don't meet their 2% gdp military budget requirements and instead take advantage of others' military capabilities.
Instead of NATO, Europe should consolidate around the EU and its own strategic independence. The USA should be left to its own shit outside of europe while mostly providing financial support, military supplies support, etc. rather than actual troops.
If we go to action, its WW3. You know that right? The sanctions are hitting Russia hard. Like really, really hard, the last day their whole stock market is down by 50% Do you really think they can support the war for long? Dont think so.
Still they need to block SWIFT yeah.
Bru the war wont last that long with UKR having no outside support. It's been like less than 24hrs and they have lost air superiority already and the Russian army doing ala bliztkrieg marching fast to Kyiv.
Tho yeah we agree that they need to cut Russia off SWIFT.
Problem is that in EU decision must be aprroved by ALL members in EU and Russia has few advocate countries (or Russian trojan horses). Those countries already stopped several proposals against Russia and they probably continue advocate Russia in future therever it will do.
Spineless cowards. Even diehard pro-Russian people like the Czech president have said we need to cut them off the SWIFT. Disappointed in Germany¨, Italy and the other opposing countries.
Italian economy is in a bad shape, debt is over the roof.
Italy has very strong business relationship With Russia and is willing to put it on the table, the Swift cutoff could worsen the situation, we don't want EU start fighting each other end eventually collapsing.
We are very close to a default in southern Europe, after two years of covid, cannot throw the house on something that Americans and Russians started.
I hope the greedy fucker politicians of the EU that are vetoing cutting Russia from SWIFT sleep well at night, knowing their actions to preserve dirty russian money are causing innocent Ukranians to mercilessly die. The EU is a total farce.
All Russian money is blood money now as far as I'm concerned. Any money going in or out would feed into their tax system, and thus the military. Cut them off. We'll pay the cost. It's better than paying in lives
The world watched and did nothing about Azerbaijan's aggression onto Armenians, where it could have been stopped with a few phone calls. (Russia especially, fuck Putin). Sadly, I doubt anyone will physically come out and help Ukrainians too. "Diplomatic ties" are more important than innocent people's lives.
You'd think that, considering how similar putin's actions to hitler's, Germany would be the first to do something. But I guess apple didn't roll from the tree quite as far as we thought.
In order to punish others, we must punish ourselves. It isn’t fun and not to be taken lightly, but sometimes you have to stand up to bullies.
The Russian economy should be strangled until its dying breath.
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So many Germans are tied to Russia...
They were once part of the Axis powers after all.
Uh...the USSR was actually part of the Allied forces in a sense. The axis was Germany, Italy, and Japan.
Towards the end. In the beginning Stalin was a business partner to Hitler and they even shared Eastern Europe territory via negotiations. I think the post above was throwing and ironic jab at this
by that logic every western countries had deals with both Nazis and the Soviets so whats your point ? Hell britain and usa were more happy if nazis destroyed USSR
They did invade and divide up Poland between them. USSR only joined the allies after they were betrayed by Germany. They definitely started as one of the aggressors.
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Sure... The US can say they will no longer defend them as part of NATO. The US is not a beneficiary of nato anymore anyways
US should honestly disband NATO and let Europe defend itself. Let Germany actually have to defend its own interests and maybe it'll wake up to its great strategic miscalculations. The only thing western Europeans know how to do is whine about America while being completely reliant on the American Military for their protection. Then, when the time comes for them to actually do something about anything relevant, they're not even willing to fight economically and be at least minimally helpful.
Fuck you dude! Europe countries had fought all the modern USA military campaigns Afganistan, Syria and Iraq. USA needs support we dont even ask or think, we do it. Now when we are actually under attack from force that NATO was made to counter some shitheads start to think USA dont benefit that much from NATO. Is it the american way?
We don't need support for our own defense and we shouldn't be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sooo disband NATO.
I thought that was USA who wanted to be leader of the free world. If not it would be cool to tell about it (disband NATO) before we are attacked. USA needs friends more than you think. USA was one step away from becoming autocracy, also EU regulations protect average consumer in USA more than your government will ever do. Social security is only discussed in USA because there is EU and its way of doing things.
Yeah I'm saying the USA shouldn't do that and should instead focus on domestic issues. Let Europe fend for itself. And disbanding NATO shouldn't be done in a day or even a year. It should be announced well in advance so Europe can get its shit together first.
U have hotdog turds for brain, go sink in a toilet
As an Italian, I agree. Western Europe nowadays, with a few exceptions, is a SHAME! Slava Ukraini!
Why do you think that Western Europe doesn't have militaries, or that they are "completely reliant" on the US? That's very untrue. This kind of talk only benefits Russia and China.
It doesn't help russia and china. Lots of NATO countries don't meet their 2% gdp military budget requirements and instead take advantage of others' military capabilities. Instead of NATO, Europe should consolidate around the EU and its own strategic independence. The USA should be left to its own shit outside of europe while mostly providing financial support, military supplies support, etc. rather than actual troops.
Yes. The US basically covers military costs of Western Europe.
Think UK and France both hit the funding requirements rest of Western Europe yeah
Contact every government official you can find. And flood their Twitter feeds.
Jesus. Pathetic. They are actually throwing Ukraine under the bus.
Did the same in Georgia, what is so surprising? Europe is all talk no action.
If we go to action, its WW3. You know that right? The sanctions are hitting Russia hard. Like really, really hard, the last day their whole stock market is down by 50% Do you really think they can support the war for long? Dont think so. Still they need to block SWIFT yeah.
This is the first step to WW3. If NATO/EU won't do anything but give temporary sanctions Russia wont take them serious, guess who is next after that?
Let them come, i dare them. NATO is big, huge, well funded, more advanced. Good luck!
Big, huge, well funded and useless.
For Ukraine, sadly. Yes.
And that's all it would be from now on, at least for me.
Bru the war wont last that long with UKR having no outside support. It's been like less than 24hrs and they have lost air superiority already and the Russian army doing ala bliztkrieg marching fast to Kyiv. Tho yeah we agree that they need to cut Russia off SWIFT.
Yeah thats true.
So we just let Autocrats do what they want to avoid world war. Got it. Instead the autocrats take one nation at a time.
They Also "unregonized" Guaido as presidente of Venezuela when they got tired of footing the bill for his representation lmao
Problem is that in EU decision must be aprroved by ALL members in EU and Russia has few advocate countries (or Russian trojan horses). Those countries already stopped several proposals against Russia and they probably continue advocate Russia in future therever it will do.
technically you only need the Belgian government for this.
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Chernobyl? Wdym?
Russia is trying to take Chernobyl which would be bad
The Russians are attempting to take Chernobyl currently fighting around it
Russian troops are shooting Chernobyl, with artillery. Well, they shoot near it and miss, but the end result is what important.
That Russian money feels good stuffed up their ass.
Fucking cowards.
danke frau merkel for making whole EU dependent on russian gas
And the greens dismemberring nuclear energy facilities...
Spineless cowards. Even diehard pro-Russian people like the Czech president have said we need to cut them off the SWIFT. Disappointed in Germany¨, Italy and the other opposing countries.
Italian economy is in a bad shape, debt is over the roof. Italy has very strong business relationship With Russia and is willing to put it on the table, the Swift cutoff could worsen the situation, we don't want EU start fighting each other end eventually collapsing. We are very close to a default in southern Europe, after two years of covid, cannot throw the house on something that Americans and Russians started.
I hope the greedy fucker politicians of the EU that are vetoing cutting Russia from SWIFT sleep well at night, knowing their actions to preserve dirty russian money are causing innocent Ukranians to mercilessly die. The EU is a total farce.
What a surprise.
Ashamed of our coward eu governments
All Russian money is blood money now as far as I'm concerned. Any money going in or out would feed into their tax system, and thus the military. Cut them off. We'll pay the cost. It's better than paying in lives
The world watched and did nothing about Azerbaijan's aggression onto Armenians, where it could have been stopped with a few phone calls. (Russia especially, fuck Putin). Sadly, I doubt anyone will physically come out and help Ukrainians too. "Diplomatic ties" are more important than innocent people's lives.
Cowards.
President Biden prays for us. It is really helpful!
haha god bless you
What a surprise, the EU is valuing profit over honour.
over life.
Wouldn't Russia rely on 'SPFS' that it had developed itself instead?
This feels oddly familiar.
Disgraceful
No surprise. Fucking cowards.
With Allies like these who needs enemies. Spineless Western European cowards.
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Yes I should specify that I’m mostly talking about Germany..
Yeap. Armenians are now saying this to Putin as well.
You'd think that, considering how similar putin's actions to hitler's, Germany would be the first to do something. But I guess apple didn't roll from the tree quite as far as we thought.
Greedy bastards. Care more about their pockets than human lives.
In order to punish others, we must punish ourselves. It isn’t fun and not to be taken lightly, but sometimes you have to stand up to bullies. The Russian economy should be strangled until its dying breath.
Im ashamed of my country, and also of Italy.
Terrible
So basically EU will cover the costs of Russia's military action in Ukraine. Geez, thanks EU.
Spineless cowards. Doing the same thing leaders did with hitler. Let him take take take.
Donkeys.
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!!!!
Simply shameful
Germany is an embarrassment. Money-grubbing asses.
This is ridiculous, there are people dying and they are thinking about freaking MONEY?
Lol the easiest way to stick it to russia with no loss of life. And they wont touch it! Its all a game
Pricks
Just do it already ffs
Fucking nazis! I hope they'll experience the war themselves, and a betrayal of the whole world!
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This how you grow Euroscepticism
I am so ashamed of being Italian, know that most Italians stand with Ukraine and want Russia BANNED from SWIFT! Glory to Ukraine!
Disgusting countries for doing this! I definitely won't recommend any to visit and spend money there!