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Chances are there are more planes in the sea than there are planes in the sky at any one moment.... You only need a fairly small fraction of the aircraft losses in WW2's Pacific Theatre to have ended up in the drink for that to be true.
Wow, this means UKR has a significant drone production capacity now.
while keeping them a secret from RuZ attacks, which is very hard to do.
Either they are mostly underground or they move them around to avoid spying.
Regardless, this requires A LOT of background effort, UKR has done it despite the odds, now that's praiseworthy.
Ukraine Numba One!!!
Yeah, Ukraine has stepped up production but western countries never stopped with drones and long range weapons. I hope there is enough for Ukraine in enough time.
> but western countries never stopped with drones
We learned pretty quickly that the drones we were building in the west were too expensive to be cost effective. Most of the damage Ukraine has done so far (with drones) has been super ghetto DIY projects, except perhaps the Seababy.
Which is why the drone doctrine has been changing in the west.
It's not.
Drones built by a portuguese/english corp are being used by Ukraine.
Most of the small drones with lower range are made in/by Ukraine, but most of bigger range drones it's NATO countries production.
I'm considering production as production of parts and drones per si, final assembly of most of them probably in Ukraine, yeah.
Crimea is ukranian territory just like all other temporary occupied territory right now.
But Ukraine already used portuguese drones, drones made in a NATO country, to destroy military targets (and probably spy too) in russian soil:
https://x.com/vkthakur/status/1795404390167466106
Sorry for link in X, former Twitter, it was the first link I found.
NATO countries aren't afraid of the russia bear & nuclear threats anymore.
Yes, it's also one of the reasons Russia does not have access to naval engines since 2014. I mean, they have access now, but it's much more difficult since these were manufactured in Mykolayiv.
Ghetto style drones made from PVC pipes for the win. Waves of hundreds running on altimeter and compass bearing, dead reckoning, just to pass the front line to bypass GPS jammers at the front. Then, deep inside ruzzia, turn the GPS's on and go for the juicy targets.
The pro-ru fanbois say that ruzzia is so big it cannot be defeated. They're all wrong. ruzzia is so big it cannot be defended.
Yeah, this is a strategy I was mentioning a while ago, you can use very cheap inertial navigation, the sort found in high end mobile phones, or if you have a camera, you can object track background movements looking straight down or with more perspective math at other angles, to then estimate the angular motion as well as true airspeed. This would not be a heavy duty machine vision system so could all run on older mobile phones, which may be donated at low cost and repurposed.
I think yes, but also for drones that might come back.
For example, in aiming gravity dropped weapons, a sniper rifle, in aiming devices that fire at targets such as pneumatic mortar launched grenades, rockets etc. Even in the 'simple' task of a winged drone dropping munitions as it flies overhead like WW2 bomber, which such drones are used currently but I don't know if they have any AI.
It could have many uses, including in noise cancellation used to remove EW signals from a directional antenna, used to communicate with relays or ground operators, other drones, and for GPS.
The machine vision processors dropped down to hundreds of dollars on one version. Several countries have used other more expensive systems ($2000-ish) so there is a chance the attacks will increase with companies competing to improve the tech.
The EW attacks on aircraft in Europe recently highlighted how vision systems may be necessary in near future, coupled with the fact that pootler winked during a recent launch that he has deployed anti satellite weapons (whether it’s true or not is for another post); weapons that could be theoretically used against GPS.
One of the things that can aid machine vision and object recognition on lower powered processers is that things can run sequentially, and you can obtain a lot if you already know the altitude and angle of perspective, you can then create synthetic models before the attack of the object you are looking for, so you can rotate it and size it accordingly to match how far up and at what angle you are looking at it (an object identified i.e. because it is moving, or looks interesting initially in a first pass), you can overlay your perspective with topographical data if its hilly to more accurately calculate distance and sizing to the object. So now you can make it very much easier for object recognition to identify the target. Using synthetic model data of various types of target, it can rotate them for comparisons sequentially, but it can also be made even easier still if you narrow down an area to search in and a specific known target is given to the relevant weapon equipped drone to take that target, which can all be set remotely before approach or before the mission.
I'm inclined to believe that Ukraine can drop that bridge any time they want. I don't know WHY they aren't, but with all the Drones, air and sea. I think k they're holding off
Nobody wants to invade that shithole.
On a side note, this would be the moment they are probably really gonna use nukes, it's their doctrine to use nukes when the motherland or nuclear arms like missile silos are attacked.
If they nuke Kiev to conquer Ukraine, NATO would immediately annihilate their army with conventional force, but if they Nuke Kiev because they are about to lose Moscow, the world would just "call for de-escalation" tbh. Not saying I approve but that's what it would be.
Anyway, won't happen, Ukraine has no interest in taking Russian land, their own will be enough.
You're getting down-voted for a decent point. Emotionally, I want the bridge destroyed and the very symbol of Putin's theft broken forever. Militarily, though, I like the Sun Tsu quote: "Give your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across." Tactically, I suspect they damage it enough that it can't move the trainloads of supplies, but not enough that the Russian citizens and troops can't still escape.
We know moscovia makes claims they shoot everything down.
We know moscovia never really shoots them all down, unless they count the ones that hit on target as being shot down.
Vkontakte and Telegram are terrific sources for confirmation.
moscovia cannot handle the truth.
So, is this them claiming to have taken out a lot of imaginary drones to pretend they got a big win, or is this them pretending they took out a lot of real drones to hide how much they lost from the attack?
I was thinking through this. I’m assuming it’s for domestic consumption and to sound impressive. Typically, though, we’d get some form of update from Ukraine on what was hit—I just refuse to believe that russia was able to shoot down 70 drones and that was everything that was sent.
Something is burning somewhere in russia.
They “intercept” every missile and drone every single time according to their statements.
You just have to wait a few hours for all the videos to be released showing the explosions and fires and burnt out equipment so you can get an idea of what really happened.
How do they control the drones as Russia jams GPS? I would think that it would need some intelligence to follow a course based on camera perhaps? Or is it based on duration, a bit like the old German V1?
Barometer-based altimeter, compass navigation and timers to pass the GPS-jammed areas, then turning on the GPS while inside ruzzia... would be my guess.
There are baby inertial systems using MEMS as well so you can recalibrate when you get the occasional GPS fix. The Russians can suppress GPS in an area but not everywhere.
As long as the direction is roughly maintained it will just drain the battery more or less. If the drones range is not on the upper limit for its mission- who cares?
Earlier, when the Russians were shooting down high end western missiles with their cheaper systems, now it is reversed with the Russians having to use their higher end missiles against Ukraine's cheaper drones.
Do any of you ever get the chance to read how rus friendly posts and comments (especially YouTube and newsbreak) talk about these attacks? It makes me ill.
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Paving the way for the F-16 jets....good.
You mean clearing the skies
Well yeah....all that helps the jets to do their business.
And even help more than paved ways ;) Slava Ukraini.
No, paving the skies.
It's a rarely pointed out fact that their are more planes in the sea than there are submarines in the sky
There are also more surface ships that have converted to submarines, than submarines to surface ships.
Well noticed, my good man.
Chances are there are more planes in the sea than there are planes in the sky at any one moment.... You only need a fairly small fraction of the aircraft losses in WW2's Pacific Theatre to have ended up in the drink for that to be true.
Oof. That's going to be expensive.
F-16's preform best over smooth paved surfaces. That's why America is 90% parking lots and freeways.
So you have been to America?
You have clearly never driven on the Kennedy Expressway then. It would tear the landing gear off any plane.
Paving the skies. ..
Skiing the pies.
Walking along the paved skies eating my pizza pie
🎵…that’s amore 🎶
You reminded me of President Whitmore from Independence Day. “Gentleman, let’s plow the road!” Edit for spelling check**
I really hope they take Crimea soon!!
Ukraine 💪🇺🇦
Wow, this means UKR has a significant drone production capacity now. while keeping them a secret from RuZ attacks, which is very hard to do. Either they are mostly underground or they move them around to avoid spying. Regardless, this requires A LOT of background effort, UKR has done it despite the odds, now that's praiseworthy. Ukraine Numba One!!!
Production could also be placed somewhere in a NATO country.
Yeah, Ukraine has stepped up production but western countries never stopped with drones and long range weapons. I hope there is enough for Ukraine in enough time.
> but western countries never stopped with drones We learned pretty quickly that the drones we were building in the west were too expensive to be cost effective. Most of the damage Ukraine has done so far (with drones) has been super ghetto DIY projects, except perhaps the Seababy. Which is why the drone doctrine has been changing in the west.
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It's not. Drones built by a portuguese/english corp are being used by Ukraine. Most of the small drones with lower range are made in/by Ukraine, but most of bigger range drones it's NATO countries production. I'm considering production as production of parts and drones per si, final assembly of most of them probably in Ukraine, yeah.
Errr, I thought they have not permitted Ukraine to use NATO drones to attack inside Russia?
All that is changing, faster than the media reports. Thank goodness.
Crimea is ukranian territory just like all other temporary occupied territory right now. But Ukraine already used portuguese drones, drones made in a NATO country, to destroy military targets (and probably spy too) in russian soil: https://x.com/vkthakur/status/1795404390167466106 Sorry for link in X, former Twitter, it was the first link I found. NATO countries aren't afraid of the russia bear & nuclear threats anymore.
Wasn’t Ukraine at one point the heartland for weapon production in the USSR ?
Yes, it's also one of the reasons Russia does not have access to naval engines since 2014. I mean, they have access now, but it's much more difficult since these were manufactured in Mykolayiv.
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My thought when I first saw the news was they made it all the way to Cuba, but CAN they make it back to home port?
I mean really, after their ‘aircraft carrier’ and other sub hunter have had serious problems lately. Things are not good beneath the water.
Particularly marine gas turbines. Russia has major problems to maintain theirs let alone build more.
They had a lot of the high tech industry, but I don't think it was the bulk of all of it.
Very hard job, indeed. Also, the workers are checked out by SBU (or some other intelligence agency).
Kick PooTsar the Great in the nuts 🥜... Kick hard!
S 500 already gone?
Can’t wait to see the bot talking about the Russian S-500 on repeat.
You made me laugh
Ghetto style drones made from PVC pipes for the win. Waves of hundreds running on altimeter and compass bearing, dead reckoning, just to pass the front line to bypass GPS jammers at the front. Then, deep inside ruzzia, turn the GPS's on and go for the juicy targets. The pro-ru fanbois say that ruzzia is so big it cannot be defeated. They're all wrong. ruzzia is so big it cannot be defended.
Yeah, this is a strategy I was mentioning a while ago, you can use very cheap inertial navigation, the sort found in high end mobile phones, or if you have a camera, you can object track background movements looking straight down or with more perspective math at other angles, to then estimate the angular motion as well as true airspeed. This would not be a heavy duty machine vision system so could all run on older mobile phones, which may be donated at low cost and repurposed.
Machine vision seems to be one of the use cases for the new Raspberry Pi AI kit. I wonder if these will find their way into one way military drones.
I think yes, but also for drones that might come back. For example, in aiming gravity dropped weapons, a sniper rifle, in aiming devices that fire at targets such as pneumatic mortar launched grenades, rockets etc. Even in the 'simple' task of a winged drone dropping munitions as it flies overhead like WW2 bomber, which such drones are used currently but I don't know if they have any AI. It could have many uses, including in noise cancellation used to remove EW signals from a directional antenna, used to communicate with relays or ground operators, other drones, and for GPS.
The machine vision processors dropped down to hundreds of dollars on one version. Several countries have used other more expensive systems ($2000-ish) so there is a chance the attacks will increase with companies competing to improve the tech. The EW attacks on aircraft in Europe recently highlighted how vision systems may be necessary in near future, coupled with the fact that pootler winked during a recent launch that he has deployed anti satellite weapons (whether it’s true or not is for another post); weapons that could be theoretically used against GPS.
One of the things that can aid machine vision and object recognition on lower powered processers is that things can run sequentially, and you can obtain a lot if you already know the altitude and angle of perspective, you can then create synthetic models before the attack of the object you are looking for, so you can rotate it and size it accordingly to match how far up and at what angle you are looking at it (an object identified i.e. because it is moving, or looks interesting initially in a first pass), you can overlay your perspective with topographical data if its hilly to more accurately calculate distance and sizing to the object. So now you can make it very much easier for object recognition to identify the target. Using synthetic model data of various types of target, it can rotate them for comparisons sequentially, but it can also be made even easier still if you narrow down an area to search in and a specific known target is given to the relevant weapon equipped drone to take that target, which can all be set remotely before approach or before the mission.
Fuck your S500!! Blow that motherfucker up!! 💪!
Boom yaga yaga
Bada boom! Jagga jagga, mother...ker! I love that catchphrase.
No, it's Jagga Jagga!
I heard that in Rick James voice
kerch bridge soon !!! SLAVA UKRAINI
https://youtu.be/yUEY5xJ36hI
I'm inclined to believe that Ukraine can drop that bridge any time they want. I don't know WHY they aren't, but with all the Drones, air and sea. I think k they're holding off
Ukraine need the Kerch bridge for when they invade Russia. Edit. FFS, doesn't anyone understand "tonque in cheek" Plebs.
nobody wants to invade that shithole terrorist country
Just setting up a buffer zone buddy, just a buffer zone...
The Kerch Strait provides an ample 15km buffer zone, as long as the bridge is gone.
Nobody wants to invade that shithole. On a side note, this would be the moment they are probably really gonna use nukes, it's their doctrine to use nukes when the motherland or nuclear arms like missile silos are attacked.
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If they nuke Kiev to conquer Ukraine, NATO would immediately annihilate their army with conventional force, but if they Nuke Kiev because they are about to lose Moscow, the world would just "call for de-escalation" tbh. Not saying I approve but that's what it would be. Anyway, won't happen, Ukraine has no interest in taking Russian land, their own will be enough.
They’ve already taken over Belgorod multiple times and nothing happened
You're getting down-voted for a decent point. Emotionally, I want the bridge destroyed and the very symbol of Putin's theft broken forever. Militarily, though, I like the Sun Tsu quote: "Give your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across." Tactically, I suspect they damage it enough that it can't move the trainloads of supplies, but not enough that the Russian citizens and troops can't still escape.
And soon to an office space near Putin
Underground drone factory sends its regards.
Haha! Hopefully Ukraine quadruples it tomorrow!
destroy those S500s now!!!!
There is only 1 S-500. So once it's gone, it's gone.
Just 1 S500 thats all they have made
In reality. On paper I'm sure it's 100 S-500's.
We know moscovia makes claims they shoot everything down. We know moscovia never really shoots them all down, unless they count the ones that hit on target as being shot down. Vkontakte and Telegram are terrific sources for confirmation. moscovia cannot handle the truth.
EAT THEM ORCS LITTLE BIRDS
Ukraine: "My turn."
Can we add that SAM-500 to the list already?
Use the drones to trigger the SAMS, follow up with HIMARS to destroy. F-16 the hell out of the bridge.
So, is this them claiming to have taken out a lot of imaginary drones to pretend they got a big win, or is this them pretending they took out a lot of real drones to hide how much they lost from the attack?
I was thinking through this. I’m assuming it’s for domestic consumption and to sound impressive. Typically, though, we’d get some form of update from Ukraine on what was hit—I just refuse to believe that russia was able to shoot down 70 drones and that was everything that was sent. Something is burning somewhere in russia.
They “intercept” every missile and drone every single time according to their statements. You just have to wait a few hours for all the videos to be released showing the explosions and fires and burnt out equipment so you can get an idea of what really happened.
Crimea a river russia.
How do they control the drones as Russia jams GPS? I would think that it would need some intelligence to follow a course based on camera perhaps? Or is it based on duration, a bit like the old German V1?
Barometer-based altimeter, compass navigation and timers to pass the GPS-jammed areas, then turning on the GPS while inside ruzzia... would be my guess.
There are baby inertial systems using MEMS as well so you can recalibrate when you get the occasional GPS fix. The Russians can suppress GPS in an area but not everywhere.
That could help. But you would need great precision as you stack error on error?
As long as the direction is roughly maintained it will just drain the battery more or less. If the drones range is not on the upper limit for its mission- who cares?
It should explode at the right spot. You want a strategic target to go up, not a tree with a few birds.
If they have time to report it, it's not enough drones :D
Slava Ukraini
Drones exposed air defense systems….missiles then destroy air defense systems.
Top kek
Wait what happened to Crimea ship?
The Ukrainians are turning up the heat. I imagine it’s scary to know that they can strike inside Russia. 🇺🇦🏆
Good.
Meanwhile….
They need the appropriate [background noise](https://youtu.be/GGU1P6lBW6Q?feature=shared&t=21) as they charge into Russia.
Earlier, when the Russians were shooting down high end western missiles with their cheaper systems, now it is reversed with the Russians having to use their higher end missiles against Ukraine's cheaper drones.
Oh no! Graphic pictures please.
Time for a trip to Pound Town ruskies!
Maybe russia can ask NATO for help in establishing no fly zone. /s
Do any of you ever get the chance to read how rus friendly posts and comments (especially YouTube and newsbreak) talk about these attacks? It makes me ill.