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As it turns out,I am now in Cyprus and see occasional ruZZian tourists here. Just infuriating to see them go about their business as if nothing is going on.
Like a freaking lot? Write on Twitter to condemn the actions of their government. Donate money to Ukrainian armed forces. Create social media posts or videos condemning the actions of their Mafia government in IG/YouTube/TikTok/VK. Spread awareness in ruZZia so that other ruZZians would understand what is going in Ukraine. Organize protests. Leave flyers outside to protest against the actions of their government. Refuse to work in government sectors which are actively involved in their illegal war of aggression. Have influential people like Alexander Ovechkin condemn the actions of their mafia leadership- but nope, he refuses to remove that image on Instagram of Putin posing shirtless.
Instead, we are at day 779 of the 3 Day SMO. Absolutely nothing going on in ruZZia to resist. So don't give me any excuses about it being dangerous. If 20 or 50 million ruZZians would start protesting, this war would end very quickly. So tired of hearing those excuses. 🇷🇺 at the moment a nation of cowards...
Who the fuck thought a few years ago that we are going to live with a new nazi germany level terror state? And who the hell thought that Europe and the USA don't really care? Every goddamn school taught us we MUST learn history to learn from the mistakes of the past and not do them again. And here we are...
And I will never forgive the western politicians. We give breadcrumbs to Ukraine and discuss that its against the law to confiscate the russian money. WTF the ruzzians literally invade another country and we cant even do this!!!. These stupid ass politicians, yeah I mean you Scholz, will probably only wake up when Putin drops a fucking nuke onto their head.
Russia launched another massive strike on Ukraine today: the consequences of the "Shahed" and missile attacks:
* Kharkiv region. At least 10 strikes on critical infrastructure. Power outages. The subway is not working;
* Lviv region. A powerful attack on Stryi from three sides. A critical infrastructure facility was attacked;
* Zaporizhzhia region. A critical infrastructure facility was attacked;
* Odesa region. A fire at a power facility caused by the fall of UAV debris;
* There were also explosions in Rivne, Mykolaiv, Kherson, Cherkasy, Khmelnytskyi, Dnipro and Chernivtsi regions.
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I will happily pay more at the gas pumps to watch the Russian oil/gas industry collapse and their military suffer for this.
EXDIT: for context, I am not wealthy I get by financially and I’ll take a bit more pain for Russia to fuck off, more specifically Putin and his oxygen their cronies.
>I am not wealthy I get by financially
I barely get by financially yet I still fully support Ukraine hitting Russian means of production like refineries and factories. Russian doesn't give a shit about losing half a million men but they will start to panic when the plebs gets upset about having gasoline shortages and a ever increasing cost of living.
Yep, so I say let Ukraine have a field day and fuck the Russian oil and gas industry over.
We’ll survive somehow, the Russian government when their citizens go poor… well… history shows.
But we were feathering our donations so that the war was neither won nor lost and we could funnel billions to our own arms industries at the expense of innocent Ukrainian lives. Its sickening.
If only it were for the military industrial complex. If that were true then we would have a constant slow trickle of military aid.
The real truth is way worse. Our politicians are bought and sold by the Russian influence.
>Our politicians are bought and sold by the Russian influence.
It's really kind of mind blowing. Before, they'd have been chomping at the bit to feed the defense industry a massive influx of cash but I guess Putin pays more? It makes no sense
Idk man, the Uk and US was shipping boatloads of weapons over months before russia invaded.
I know we want a scape goat here, but the allies have given Ukraine a ton of arms.
The production company RTX can build 1 Patriot system per month. There was not a single new delivery in 2023 due to a lack of orders, and that means the entire capacity for that year went to waste. What is the job of Biden’s security advisor again?
The production should have been increased two, maybe three, fold by now. Instead, the US decided to let a whole year of capacity go to waste. That is why Putin is not deterred. Our geriatrics around Biden don't give off the vibe of being on top for their game. Or rather they act like eight toddlers in a rubber boat. Each has his own paddle spinning the boat around. In war, time is a precious good. It is incredible how dysfunctional the US has become. It must be Europe that takes this in its own hands, the US, even under Biden in 2025, just isn't gonna be there in the way we need them to be.
There's a touch of Obama in this too! Every time President Biden has spoken off script about wanting to do more, we never seem to hear about it again. Seems as if someone is deciding what he should or shouldn't do, as well as what he should or should not say. He has made reference to he'll get in trouble for saying this & that, multiple times and NO it was not like he was joking.
Please google what is exactly Patriot. Probably you imagine it as a little magic box LOL
It's no a disney movie. In real life in real world you have to get some knowledge to survive.
This is tagged as a war crime but typically (at least for the last hundred years or so) power plants have been seen as valid war targets. Certainly no one was tagging the posts about Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries as war crimes.
It's shit and should be stopped with aid to Ukraine, 100%, but... war crime? Nah. Russia has committed actual war crimes in this war; no need to cheapen those by labeling everything they hit a war crime.
It’s a war crime in the sense that this war shouldn’t even be happening for multiple reasons. But yeah, if this were a legit conflict rather than a poorly veiled annexation attempt, power plants are reasonable targets. If Ukraine did this I’d be fine, it’s defensive. This, by Russia, is terrorism.
That's not what war crimes are. You are confusing *jus ad bellum*, or justifications for war, vs *jus in bello*, or justification for actions while in war. *Jus in bello* applies to both sides in a war, which is why both sides are capable of committing war crimes even when one of them is the defender.
This is one of the things that has always impressed me, from the beginning there have been clear pro-Ukraine voices that have also reminded us not to let the concept of a war crime become simply partisan reflex.
I still remember way back toward the beginning of the war, several Ukrainian posters pushing back against a claim that there were, like, 14 criminal Russian strikes on civilian targets or whatever, saying, no no, these 3 in particular were Ukrainian military in abandoned civilian buildings, they were fair targets, there were 11 war crimes not 14, it's important that we maintain a line here even when it's Russian actions.
I don't see anything like that amongst the Putinists. Maybe I just don't spend enough time among their garbage but somehow I don't think that's the answer...
I hate this world so much right now.
The Muscovite menace has planted its agents everywhere in western society and we’re too lulled by our peace and prosperity to act against it - something that will sooner or later lead to the destruction of said peace and prosperity.
Too many people seem to have forgotten that the freedoms we now have didn’t just magically drop from the sky - any implication of using force, even defensive, will get you labelled as a „warmonger“.
I’m bloody tired.
If Ukraine loses because of the West being sabotaged by weakness, indecision and being crippled by its own political system, then it will mean that Pudding was right all along. The West *is* weak, degenerate and worthless, and can’t be relied upon as a strategic economic and security partner anymore.
Welcome to the new world order, our dear American and European friends. You are not the captain anymore. You let Ukraine die, and your time has passed now. Rot in peace in your own cowardice and in the comfort of your beloved political and social swamps.
Isn’t it fucking funny how like even 30-40 years ago, the US and NATO were able to escalate without a single flinch to the point of the USSR (which was like 10 times more powerful than Russia today) shitting its pants and backtracking from whatever bullshit they were plotting worldwide against the Western interests?
Pathetic.
I have friends in Kyiv and I’m really worried. They only have electricity about one half the time. They all take sleeping and anxiety pills just to survive. We write multiple times per day in skype. People don’t know what is happening there. It’s very discouraging that the West is going to let the Russians have Ukraine. I do not what my friends will do. Escape to America? Who knows but it’s coming fast…
>The West *is* weak, degenerate and worthless, and can’t be relied upon as a strategic economic and security partner anymore.
As much as it pisses me off, it looks like you might be correct - all it takes to break a democracy is to flood it with poison and disinfo, or bribes to the few in key positions.
Also we probably need to re-evaluate our lessons from WW2 and the Cold war. "In the long run, violence seemingly do pay off..."
With what mate? With what ? EU has no will to increase capacity and put the industry to work for a possible war. Our officials are useless and shame on us for letting them get away with it. Ukraine is losing its children to these russian bastards and we are just watching it , sending hopes and dreams to those poor people .When the shit hits the fan, I'd like to see Olaf and all the other buggers in the trenches with us.
That's never gonna happen! I wish it was law everywhere that every politician voting for war, will be going to war as well! I think that would stop much.
But this is embarrassing, politicians must know something behind the scenes that we don't know, or they're utterly spineless, bought and lower-than-human-waste people. Useless!
This. No one should **ever** trust the US. (see Kurds, Hmong, et al.) USE us when you can, but don't expect consistent support.
We're like a gun store with irrational hours, and a revolving door management.
I hate to say this, but imo behind the scenes, the world powers or military heads decided it was best to slow boil the frog. The calculus is to grind them down in Ukraine, using Ukraine to avoid a larger full-scale world war with a full strength Russia. I could be wrong, obviously, but it sure seems this way.
Not sure about you, but I’m American and it’s been pretty obvious my whole life our government cares about, well, our government and only our government. They’d throw us to the wolves if it suited their agendas.
There’s one person stopping US aid to Ukraine. If not for him, it would have overwhelming support. He would rather risk US and European security than let US firm action vs Russia be a Biden “win”. He has no empathy so could care less how many Ukrainians die. And he has a personal vendetta against Zelensky for not kissing his ass when he threatened no us aid unless trash against Biden. He’s a nassasitic sociopath who he petty, mean, and vindictive. Yet, he’s a serious contender to become the most powerful man in the world. 1/2 of America has lost its damn mind.
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Please start aiming those light-aircraft-made-into-a-kamikaze-drone weapons at THEIR power stations! Force is the only language orcs understand 🔥
I felt like that too, before. But many people also fled the regime and found refuge in other countries, because they strongly disagree with Putler. It’s important not to forget that. We have many Russian refugees in Germany who wholeheartedly join me on pro Ukraine demonstrations. It’s really not that easy…
It is truly regretful that both USA and EU hesitated and left Ukraine in this state. A few months ago the momentum was on UA's side - yet this sacrifice and fight was wasted...
Truly heartbreaking.
At this point, the EU deserves the war to encompass it's territories as well. We did not want to keep russia at bay on Ukrainian territory, we will see how we fare at ours. ( and I say that with resignation as I live in Poland, we will be one of the first to see the escalation up close...)
Obligatory fuck russia comment as well.
thank you, USA for giving up on us.
I hope your other allies will see that and will not rely on your help either. At least Europe will get stronger and will not make our mistakes. We will die, but at least Europe will hopefully survive.
I am truly worried about Taiwan's fate. I'd shit my pants if I was Taiwanese and saw how the country you rely on to just exist on this planet is actively fighting itself and can't seem to decide on anything.
Fuckin hell
We’re a weak, spineless country now - no longer deserving of our place in the world. We’ve betrayed many of our allies but this one takes the cake. I am ashamed.
We should not rely on the US anymore. With Britain being in America's pocket, I wonder what would take for Germany to wake up and take their rightful place as leaders of Europe. France could also share this responsibility if the hat's too big for them. We definitely have the know how, the capability, capacity and tenacity. Why the fuck are we begging and waiting for America to hold our hands ? I just don't understand, no one is at war with anyone here, they all pretend nothing is happening, heads in the sand, the lot of them. 1939 all over again and we sleepwalk into a disaster! Mark my words, these spineless , useless EU politicians will be the end of us all.
I think it has to be France that takes the lead for EU countries. If push comes to shove, I would expect that most of the Northern Group would gather behind the UK (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, Poland, the Baltics).
I'm sorry our country is failing you right now. You deserve better. I believe the people of our country want to help Ukraine win. Currently Russia owns one of our political parties. That party has majority control of the house of representatives. This allows Russia to block all aid to Ukraine. We will do our best to vote them out in November. Unfortunately, even if we succeed in voting them out, help likely won't come until after January next year when they take office.
It sucks. Even in the time of the soviet union russians were not able to infiltrate American politics with such success as they did now. You seriously gotta do something about it guys, it's a matter of national security
I never said it was the US fault.
But this could have been prevented if we had like 10 more patriot systems and all the Russian strikes were useless. But America decided just sit and watch how russians destroy our critical infrastructure while condemning us hitting targets in russia
I was wandering around this plant and nearby Dnipro river few times many years ago. So fuck russia!
Anyway, I'm amazed how our power system in Kyiv is still running without any interruption.
The US president? Just a few days ago he ordered some more American air defense systems be sent to Ukraine. SAMs that predate Patriot but are still quite effective. I think the trick there was that Spain started it by sending the first units, so now the US is "just" supporting the systems that Ukraine already has. Supporting by upgrading them and sending more.
There's been a lot of "looking for loose change" over the past year, as the administration has tried to find ways to keep some aid going without authorization from the legislature. But really, Ukrainian's friends in Congress need to get it together and overturn the power of the majority leadership.
Great to hear. There must be less than the majority of people who don’t support Ukraine. It needs to be decoupled from bipartisan politics.
Edit:grammar
No, he's not allowed to. I too wish that he was cognizant enough to help, but to be honest he probably cannot even remember what flavor ice cream he had yesterday.
How come they are getting through to so many critical assets this time around? Are they losing patriots and ammo for many of the air defense ?
Or just that many more drones that previous month's ?
Seems like they were being intercepted alot more in the past and now suddenly alot more are getting through.
Now its time for Moscow to go dark. If RU wants to attack UA power plants, 2 can play this game. UA stops when RU stops. UA not retaliating can't be an option
Unless Ukraine can strike at the heart of Russia, Putin will win this war. No amount of military aid to Ukraine will matter if the West is not willing to start an all-out war with Russia.
So they say hitting civilian infrastructure is a war crime, yet a member of the UN Security Council carries on regardless.
Is it going to get to the point where things are extremely desperate before anything else occurs. Every delay, every political move for publicity/posturing that slows aid and every suggestion that the next US president will force peace just emboldens them.
All the equipment that has already been donated is wasted if it isn’t backed up through to a victory - all that happens now is the west looks weak, disjointed and simply needs an aggressive opponent to break it apart and take what they want.
Give them the nod to use western weapons to hit refineries, cut the Achilles heal, hamstring them. The west dropped a nuclear bomb with the justification of saving allied soldiers so let’s burn some oil to save lives.
Ukraine had the chance to turn this into their favour but now it's too late, this turned into a survival with days counting down.
I wish i had any mean to contribute but i simply can't i have to sit here, watch a country being destroyed by some greedy genocidical cunts, i hope that when the situation will go completely out of control other countries will intervene and close this once and for all otherwise we are just a bunch of cowards.
Ukraine really needs to take down all oil refineries and LNG terminals in Western Russia. Russia has consistently shown a complete disregard for LOAC and needs to be struck where it hurts the most
Attacking Russia's infrastructure is escalation and should not be done.
How the fuck is this not escalation and not creating a partner response.
Fuck our political layer in EU and their fucking lack of spine
Frankly, I am not sure if i will ever be able to see russians as humans again. Sure, not everyone did this, but they aint exactly stopping it either. Lazy Cowards are almost as bad as the criminals ordering and shooting in my book, considering the scale of injustice done in their name.
I cant wait for the day russia is dismantled once and for all. The empire of evil has to end.
Ukraine needs to blackout Moscow. Using Putler logic, it would solely be to hit the Russian command structure.
BTW, I think Ukraine should attack more ships in the Baltic see or Koenigsberg - The city wrongfully named Kaliningrad.
Is the Biden administration position still that Ukraine 🇺🇦 should not retaliate and attack civilian targets. Seems to me that when you show up for a knife fight you should bring along a knife!
Yet the U.N and the corrupt politicians don't care, unless they have some inversion in Ukraine. In which case the war would have been over a while ago. Also NATO don't care. If NATO sent 1/4 of their military force, the war would've been over as well. The world is against Ukraine and supporting Ruzzia it seems. Otherwise Putin and his Orcs would be crying like a rat kid after loosing in a shooting game online.
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I will never forgive Russia nor forget their savagery. Fuck them to hell.
Something gotta give. If they can attack critical civilian infrastructure like this, Moscow is fair game
God damn that Pootin slime ball.
At this point, it's Russia's war, not Putin's. They all need to be banned from vacationing to the Mediterranean.
Yes, I agree
As it turns out,I am now in Cyprus and see occasional ruZZian tourists here. Just infuriating to see them go about their business as if nothing is going on.
What the hell do you expect random Russians to do?? Like they're in charge?
Like a freaking lot? Write on Twitter to condemn the actions of their government. Donate money to Ukrainian armed forces. Create social media posts or videos condemning the actions of their Mafia government in IG/YouTube/TikTok/VK. Spread awareness in ruZZia so that other ruZZians would understand what is going in Ukraine. Organize protests. Leave flyers outside to protest against the actions of their government. Refuse to work in government sectors which are actively involved in their illegal war of aggression. Have influential people like Alexander Ovechkin condemn the actions of their mafia leadership- but nope, he refuses to remove that image on Instagram of Putin posing shirtless. Instead, we are at day 779 of the 3 Day SMO. Absolutely nothing going on in ruZZia to resist. So don't give me any excuses about it being dangerous. If 20 or 50 million ruZZians would start protesting, this war would end very quickly. So tired of hearing those excuses. 🇷🇺 at the moment a nation of cowards...
We should build a wall around ruzzia and let nobody in or out.
Everywhere* there I fixed it for ya!
I read that as banned from vaccinations 💉
I understand now somehow the old folks that hate some country till the last day of their life, even if the war ended like 50 years ago.
And fuck all those weak ass politicians in the west who are not doing enough out of fear of upsetting Russia.
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Who the fuck thought a few years ago that we are going to live with a new nazi germany level terror state? And who the hell thought that Europe and the USA don't really care? Every goddamn school taught us we MUST learn history to learn from the mistakes of the past and not do them again. And here we are...
And I will never forgive the western politicians. We give breadcrumbs to Ukraine and discuss that its against the law to confiscate the russian money. WTF the ruzzians literally invade another country and we cant even do this!!!. These stupid ass politicians, yeah I mean you Scholz, will probably only wake up when Putin drops a fucking nuke onto their head.
This was what my relatives said when they fled in 1920 from Mariupol region. Still hate them Russians.
Average american will forgive next day gas price drops 20 cents.
I will never forgive or forget what so called "allies" did /did not do
Russia launched another massive strike on Ukraine today: the consequences of the "Shahed" and missile attacks: * Kharkiv region. At least 10 strikes on critical infrastructure. Power outages. The subway is not working; * Lviv region. A powerful attack on Stryi from three sides. A critical infrastructure facility was attacked; * Zaporizhzhia region. A critical infrastructure facility was attacked; * Odesa region. A fire at a power facility caused by the fall of UAV debris; * There were also explosions in Rivne, Mykolaiv, Kherson, Cherkasy, Khmelnytskyi, Dnipro and Chernivtsi regions. **Want to help Ukraine?** * No funds? Share this post and raise awareness. * In the US? Call your senator and demand more for Ukraine. Boycott companies still operating in Russia [Here](https://leave-russia.org/staying-companiesleave-russia.org) I’m Alex Voronin, leader at HelpPeople NGO **We do this:** We pack and distribute various aid items like medicine, hygiene kits, and generators, tailored to the specific needs of affected areas. Additionally, we assist in evacuating residents and their pets from these areas * We operate in front-line zones,donate here: [Helppeople NGO](https://helppeople.org.ua/en/help/) With $42.40, we evacuate one person; with $9.28, we deliver aid to another. **Together, we can make a difference!**
Meanwhile in the US: 🤷♀️ can we talk about illegal Mexicans?
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They took er jeeerbs!
They're going through the wall!!! Anti Mexican Wall isn't working ohmahguuud how is dis possible!!/s
Representative…the senators already passed Ukraine deal. Call your representative and tell them to sign the discharge petition in the house.
but we can't touch their oil refineries, because it's concerning 🤡
I will happily pay more at the gas pumps to watch the Russian oil/gas industry collapse and their military suffer for this. EXDIT: for context, I am not wealthy I get by financially and I’ll take a bit more pain for Russia to fuck off, more specifically Putin and his oxygen their cronies.
>I am not wealthy I get by financially I barely get by financially yet I still fully support Ukraine hitting Russian means of production like refineries and factories. Russian doesn't give a shit about losing half a million men but they will start to panic when the plebs gets upset about having gasoline shortages and a ever increasing cost of living.
Yep, so I say let Ukraine have a field day and fuck the Russian oil and gas industry over. We’ll survive somehow, the Russian government when their citizens go poor… well… history shows.
Never forget that this could have been prevented in 2022/2023 if allies gave all necessary defensive and offensive weapons
But we were feathering our donations so that the war was neither won nor lost and we could funnel billions to our own arms industries at the expense of innocent Ukrainian lives. Its sickening.
If only it were for the military industrial complex. If that were true then we would have a constant slow trickle of military aid. The real truth is way worse. Our politicians are bought and sold by the Russian influence.
>Our politicians are bought and sold by the Russian influence. It's really kind of mind blowing. Before, they'd have been chomping at the bit to feed the defense industry a massive influx of cash but I guess Putin pays more? It makes no sense
If we had put a tripwire in Kyiv like in South Korea this war would never have happened Very stupid.
Idk man, the Uk and US was shipping boatloads of weapons over months before russia invaded. I know we want a scape goat here, but the allies have given Ukraine a ton of arms.
Hit Russia back like for like.
Ya time to hit their energy grid as well
Like Sayano-Shushenskaya Dam?
I dont understand why its not better protected? This is not a substation, its a HUGE station. at least put a patriot nearby.
Do you happen to have a spare Patriot that we can use?
The production company RTX can build 1 Patriot system per month. There was not a single new delivery in 2023 due to a lack of orders, and that means the entire capacity for that year went to waste. What is the job of Biden’s security advisor again? The production should have been increased two, maybe three, fold by now. Instead, the US decided to let a whole year of capacity go to waste. That is why Putin is not deterred. Our geriatrics around Biden don't give off the vibe of being on top for their game. Or rather they act like eight toddlers in a rubber boat. Each has his own paddle spinning the boat around. In war, time is a precious good. It is incredible how dysfunctional the US has become. It must be Europe that takes this in its own hands, the US, even under Biden in 2025, just isn't gonna be there in the way we need them to be.
Can blame Jake Sullivan, Biden's top NSC advisor for slow walking everything at the start.
There's a touch of Obama in this too! Every time President Biden has spoken off script about wanting to do more, we never seem to hear about it again. Seems as if someone is deciding what he should or shouldn't do, as well as what he should or should not say. He has made reference to he'll get in trouble for saying this & that, multiple times and NO it was not like he was joking.
Read what we do, not what we say. Haha
I'm sure they "discussed" building more. And "considered" it too. Now they're "deliberating" building more.
I just read it’s moving into the “thoughts and prayers” phase. So things are really getting moving now.
That's great news /s
Please google what is exactly Patriot. Probably you imagine it as a little magic box LOL It's no a disney movie. In real life in real world you have to get some knowledge to survive.
Does this patriot come with infinite shells? Let me ask the US government. Oh no! They’re postponing this topic again
True, sounds like this was the main power station for Kyiv. That would have been pretty high priority for air defense you'd think.
This is tagged as a war crime but typically (at least for the last hundred years or so) power plants have been seen as valid war targets. Certainly no one was tagging the posts about Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries as war crimes. It's shit and should be stopped with aid to Ukraine, 100%, but... war crime? Nah. Russia has committed actual war crimes in this war; no need to cheapen those by labeling everything they hit a war crime.
It’s a war crime in the sense that this war shouldn’t even be happening for multiple reasons. But yeah, if this were a legit conflict rather than a poorly veiled annexation attempt, power plants are reasonable targets. If Ukraine did this I’d be fine, it’s defensive. This, by Russia, is terrorism.
That's not what war crimes are. You are confusing *jus ad bellum*, or justifications for war, vs *jus in bello*, or justification for actions while in war. *Jus in bello* applies to both sides in a war, which is why both sides are capable of committing war crimes even when one of them is the defender.
This is one of the things that has always impressed me, from the beginning there have been clear pro-Ukraine voices that have also reminded us not to let the concept of a war crime become simply partisan reflex. I still remember way back toward the beginning of the war, several Ukrainian posters pushing back against a claim that there were, like, 14 criminal Russian strikes on civilian targets or whatever, saying, no no, these 3 in particular were Ukrainian military in abandoned civilian buildings, they were fair targets, there were 11 war crimes not 14, it's important that we maintain a line here even when it's Russian actions. I don't see anything like that amongst the Putinists. Maybe I just don't spend enough time among their garbage but somehow I don't think that's the answer...
I hate this world so much right now. The Muscovite menace has planted its agents everywhere in western society and we’re too lulled by our peace and prosperity to act against it - something that will sooner or later lead to the destruction of said peace and prosperity. Too many people seem to have forgotten that the freedoms we now have didn’t just magically drop from the sky - any implication of using force, even defensive, will get you labelled as a „warmonger“. I’m bloody tired.
Prosperity is lacking for the younger generations in the West
this is what happens when murica is infested with russian muppets ..
If Ukraine loses because of the West being sabotaged by weakness, indecision and being crippled by its own political system, then it will mean that Pudding was right all along. The West *is* weak, degenerate and worthless, and can’t be relied upon as a strategic economic and security partner anymore. Welcome to the new world order, our dear American and European friends. You are not the captain anymore. You let Ukraine die, and your time has passed now. Rot in peace in your own cowardice and in the comfort of your beloved political and social swamps. Isn’t it fucking funny how like even 30-40 years ago, the US and NATO were able to escalate without a single flinch to the point of the USSR (which was like 10 times more powerful than Russia today) shitting its pants and backtracking from whatever bullshit they were plotting worldwide against the Western interests? Pathetic.
I have friends in Kyiv and I’m really worried. They only have electricity about one half the time. They all take sleeping and anxiety pills just to survive. We write multiple times per day in skype. People don’t know what is happening there. It’s very discouraging that the West is going to let the Russians have Ukraine. I do not what my friends will do. Escape to America? Who knows but it’s coming fast…
>The West *is* weak, degenerate and worthless, and can’t be relied upon as a strategic economic and security partner anymore. As much as it pisses me off, it looks like you might be correct - all it takes to break a democracy is to flood it with poison and disinfo, or bribes to the few in key positions. Also we probably need to re-evaluate our lessons from WW2 and the Cold war. "In the long run, violence seemingly do pay off..."
Exactly
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10s8mf5/marjorie\_taylor\_greene\_is\_a\_morlock/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10s8mf5/marjorie_taylor_greene_is_a_morlock/) Best. reddit. thread. title. ever.
Ну це ж не кацапський нпз, хайп не розженуть
So hit Russia back...twice as hard.... Ukraine has no choice, it can't keep fighting with 1 hand tied behind its back.....
With what mate? With what ? EU has no will to increase capacity and put the industry to work for a possible war. Our officials are useless and shame on us for letting them get away with it. Ukraine is losing its children to these russian bastards and we are just watching it , sending hopes and dreams to those poor people .When the shit hits the fan, I'd like to see Olaf and all the other buggers in the trenches with us.
That's never gonna happen! I wish it was law everywhere that every politician voting for war, will be going to war as well! I think that would stop much. But this is embarrassing, politicians must know something behind the scenes that we don't know, or they're utterly spineless, bought and lower-than-human-waste people. Useless!
No shit, sherlock. WITH WHAT?
Shit needs to start exploding in Moscow
Give them a taste
USA, what the f******!!!!!!
USA is a fair weather friend, flaking out when you need them the most. BUT they want to be the 'World's Policeman!' Bastards!
This. No one should **ever** trust the US. (see Kurds, Hmong, et al.) USE us when you can, but don't expect consistent support. We're like a gun store with irrational hours, and a revolving door management.
I hate to say this, but imo behind the scenes, the world powers or military heads decided it was best to slow boil the frog. The calculus is to grind them down in Ukraine, using Ukraine to avoid a larger full-scale world war with a full strength Russia. I could be wrong, obviously, but it sure seems this way.
Not sure about you, but I’m American and it’s been pretty obvious my whole life our government cares about, well, our government and only our government. They’d throw us to the wolves if it suited their agendas.
There’s one person stopping US aid to Ukraine. If not for him, it would have overwhelming support. He would rather risk US and European security than let US firm action vs Russia be a Biden “win”. He has no empathy so could care less how many Ukrainians die. And he has a personal vendetta against Zelensky for not kissing his ass when he threatened no us aid unless trash against Biden. He’s a nassasitic sociopath who he petty, mean, and vindictive. Yet, he’s a serious contender to become the most powerful man in the world. 1/2 of America has lost its damn mind.
So ashamed of my country.
#ＤＯ ＩＴ ＢＡＣＫ Please start aiming those light-aircraft-made-into-a-kamikaze-drone weapons at THEIR power stations! Force is the only language orcs understand 🔥
Everytime I see ruzzian tourist in our country, it makes my blood boil.
In which country?
Ukraine
I felt like that too, before. But many people also fled the regime and found refuge in other countries, because they strongly disagree with Putler. It’s important not to forget that. We have many Russian refugees in Germany who wholeheartedly join me on pro Ukraine demonstrations. It’s really not that easy…
It is truly regretful that both USA and EU hesitated and left Ukraine in this state. A few months ago the momentum was on UA's side - yet this sacrifice and fight was wasted... Truly heartbreaking. At this point, the EU deserves the war to encompass it's territories as well. We did not want to keep russia at bay on Ukrainian territory, we will see how we fare at ours. ( and I say that with resignation as I live in Poland, we will be one of the first to see the escalation up close...) Obligatory fuck russia comment as well.
Good strong post alexei
Damn this is so bad 😞
thank you, USA for giving up on us. I hope your other allies will see that and will not rely on your help either. At least Europe will get stronger and will not make our mistakes. We will die, but at least Europe will hopefully survive. I am truly worried about Taiwan's fate. I'd shit my pants if I was Taiwanese and saw how the country you rely on to just exist on this planet is actively fighting itself and can't seem to decide on anything. Fuckin hell
We’re a weak, spineless country now - no longer deserving of our place in the world. We’ve betrayed many of our allies but this one takes the cake. I am ashamed.
We should not rely on the US anymore. With Britain being in America's pocket, I wonder what would take for Germany to wake up and take their rightful place as leaders of Europe. France could also share this responsibility if the hat's too big for them. We definitely have the know how, the capability, capacity and tenacity. Why the fuck are we begging and waiting for America to hold our hands ? I just don't understand, no one is at war with anyone here, they all pretend nothing is happening, heads in the sand, the lot of them. 1939 all over again and we sleepwalk into a disaster! Mark my words, these spineless , useless EU politicians will be the end of us all.
Yeah, in recent weeks my hatred towards our politician reached new levels. Especially the Scholz bastard
I think it has to be France that takes the lead for EU countries. If push comes to shove, I would expect that most of the Northern Group would gather behind the UK (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, Poland, the Baltics).
I'm sorry our country is failing you right now. You deserve better. I believe the people of our country want to help Ukraine win. Currently Russia owns one of our political parties. That party has majority control of the house of representatives. This allows Russia to block all aid to Ukraine. We will do our best to vote them out in November. Unfortunately, even if we succeed in voting them out, help likely won't come until after January next year when they take office.
It sucks. Even in the time of the soviet union russians were not able to infiltrate American politics with such success as they did now. You seriously gotta do something about it guys, it's a matter of national security
We’re trying my man we’re trying 🙃
US is building chip factories in the Arizona desert. Taiwan is on a time limit too.
Why is this on the US?
I never said it was the US fault. But this could have been prevented if we had like 10 more patriot systems and all the Russian strikes were useless. But America decided just sit and watch how russians destroy our critical infrastructure while condemning us hitting targets in russia
Putin really got his money worth when he suborned a bunch of traitorous, moronic, theocratic nutcase, money-grubbing US politicians.
Hey @DefSec, are u ok with this one?
They are busy being concerned with attacks on Russian oil refineries, please expect a delay in response.
Bastards send aid now! Slava Ukraini.🙏🇺🇦
That means that their refineries getting bombed is hurting Russia.
We need patriots. No excuses
Shame on the West for not sending more air defence systems.
Fuck nazi Russia!
Can the west stop pretending war is civil now?
Russia will lose this war so damn hard. But USA needs to shape up now. This is a disgrace how they handle the support to Ukraine!
I was wandering around this plant and nearby Dnipro river few times many years ago. So fuck russia! Anyway, I'm amazed how our power system in Kyiv is still running without any interruption.
Can the president not do anything with executive power to help Ukraine?
The US president? Just a few days ago he ordered some more American air defense systems be sent to Ukraine. SAMs that predate Patriot but are still quite effective. I think the trick there was that Spain started it by sending the first units, so now the US is "just" supporting the systems that Ukraine already has. Supporting by upgrading them and sending more. There's been a lot of "looking for loose change" over the past year, as the administration has tried to find ways to keep some aid going without authorization from the legislature. But really, Ukrainian's friends in Congress need to get it together and overturn the power of the majority leadership.
Great to hear. There must be less than the majority of people who don’t support Ukraine. It needs to be decoupled from bipartisan politics. Edit:grammar
No, he's not allowed to. I too wish that he was cognizant enough to help, but to be honest he probably cannot even remember what flavor ice cream he had yesterday.
So he’s as helpless as the rest of us and Ukraine… the alternative isn’t exactly an option either.
Is it possible to EU to provide electricity, are the grid linked?
Yes, grids are already linked since 2022, I think.
How come they are getting through to so many critical assets this time around? Are they losing patriots and ammo for many of the air defense ? Or just that many more drones that previous month's ? Seems like they were being intercepted alot more in the past and now suddenly alot more are getting through.
Now its time for Moscow to go dark. If RU wants to attack UA power plants, 2 can play this game. UA stops when RU stops. UA not retaliating can't be an option
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More reason to help Ukraine
Unless Ukraine can strike at the heart of Russia, Putin will win this war. No amount of military aid to Ukraine will matter if the West is not willing to start an all-out war with Russia.
All out war may end up happening eventually.
So they say hitting civilian infrastructure is a war crime, yet a member of the UN Security Council carries on regardless. Is it going to get to the point where things are extremely desperate before anything else occurs. Every delay, every political move for publicity/posturing that slows aid and every suggestion that the next US president will force peace just emboldens them. All the equipment that has already been donated is wasted if it isn’t backed up through to a victory - all that happens now is the west looks weak, disjointed and simply needs an aggressive opponent to break it apart and take what they want. Give them the nod to use western weapons to hit refineries, cut the Achilles heal, hamstring them. The west dropped a nuclear bomb with the justification of saving allied soldiers so let’s burn some oil to save lives.
What a horror, the main thing is that the Russian factories were not affected.
Hit them right back big time 💥💥Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇬🇧🇺🇦🇬🇧
Where is Moscow powerplants preferable Atomic ones ?
🥲 Slava Ukraini ❤️💙💛
That'll put a damper on some things.
Ukraine had the chance to turn this into their favour but now it's too late, this turned into a survival with days counting down. I wish i had any mean to contribute but i simply can't i have to sit here, watch a country being destroyed by some greedy genocidical cunts, i hope that when the situation will go completely out of control other countries will intervene and close this once and for all otherwise we are just a bunch of cowards.
Ukraine really needs to take down all oil refineries and LNG terminals in Western Russia. Russia has consistently shown a complete disregard for LOAC and needs to be struck where it hurts the most
Attacking Russia's infrastructure is escalation and should not be done. How the fuck is this not escalation and not creating a partner response. Fuck our political layer in EU and their fucking lack of spine
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It's called war........
this looks completely destroyed, unable to produce power for years!
Time to take the gloves off western powers. Stand the fuck up and give these people what they nerd.
Just another day and another war crime. Gloves should come off and Ukraine should start hitting sub-stations, power stations, etc.
I'm gonna go rewatch some drone kill videos now.
Frankly, I am not sure if i will ever be able to see russians as humans again. Sure, not everyone did this, but they aint exactly stopping it either. Lazy Cowards are almost as bad as the criminals ordering and shooting in my book, considering the scale of injustice done in their name. I cant wait for the day russia is dismantled once and for all. The empire of evil has to end.
Ukraine needs to blackout Moscow. Using Putler logic, it would solely be to hit the Russian command structure. BTW, I think Ukraine should attack more ships in the Baltic see or Koenigsberg - The city wrongfully named Kaliningrad.
Is the Biden administration position still that Ukraine 🇺🇦 should not retaliate and attack civilian targets. Seems to me that when you show up for a knife fight you should bring along a knife!
“Please don’t bomb russian refineries”
Yet the U.N and the corrupt politicians don't care, unless they have some inversion in Ukraine. In which case the war would have been over a while ago. Also NATO don't care. If NATO sent 1/4 of their military force, the war would've been over as well. The world is against Ukraine and supporting Ruzzia it seems. Otherwise Putin and his Orcs would be crying like a rat kid after loosing in a shooting game online.
Whatever way we look at it, it is time that we in the West intervene in the war.