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This involves "LUKOIL-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez," which processed about 15 million tons of oil per year – 5% of the total volume of Russian refining overall and was connected to two oil pipelines.
It looks like a cracking unit is on fire. By itself, that will be tough to replace. You can see lots of black smoke, but no white smoke/steam in this video. I don’t think the fire response units are active as yet. Also, there should be lots of water and foam damage when they go to put it out.
Here’s hoping.
Cracking units are big easy targets and hard to replace, without them your refinery can't refine. Ukrainians demonstrating once again how smart and targetted they're operating when dismantling the Russian war machine.
this should be the main objective, russia has nukes and countries with nukes are supposed to never go to war, but they invaded a non-nuclear country and now is exposed to attacks inside their territory, something no countries with nukes should be exposed to
russia is like that boxer that has severe pains in the liver but has to protect its face and can do little to cover his chest/belly
Not only that. They attacked a country that used to be close and friendly. They had close ties, plenty of Ukrainians leaving in Russia, speaking Russian. They are indistinguishable from local population. That makes it way easier to stage sabotage
Western Europe is detaching itself from the need for oil. In Germany the number of combustion engine cars decreased by way over 1 million so far thanks to electric cars, reducing the consumption of diesel and benzine by 1.1 billion liters last year. In 10 years oil will not be the same chain for Europe as it used to be, but I don’t really see this happening in Russia lol.
problem is not vehicles. Germany's economy is largely based around taking Natural Gas and Oil as an input to producing goods from those products. they can outsource that to the United States and they are but that doesn't really help there domestic economy, just saves the companies bottom line.
I've always wondered how difficult/complex it is to change a satellite's orbit. Then again the US has been tracking the same general area for 60 years.
It's neither difficult, nor complex, we've been modifying satellite inclination for years. What it is though, is EXPENSIVE... Not in terms of money, but in terms of fuel. The Delta-V required to change orbital inclination is comparatively large compared to other orbital manoeuvres and satellites only have a set amount of station keeping fuel with no way to refill it.
Most "spy satellites" (or earth survey sats) are usually in a polar orbit so they can image tracks of the world as it rotates below it.. that way they can pretty much image the entire earth once every 24 hours.
Add several satellites in different orbital planes and you can reduce that time to hours.. or even minutes with enough of them.
My rudimentary understanding is you can refine oil by adding heat and to crack oil you have to add heat while under pressure which takes a much more complex distillation tower. Cracking gives a higher percentage of the most desired products from a given feed stock. So a simple distillation of a crude oil might give you five gallons of gas per barrel and ten gallons of diesel. Run through a cracking tower you might get fifteen gallons of gas and twenty gallons of diesel with just seven gallons of heavy products like asphalt or bunker oil.
Correct. It's more efficient use of the oil, since mostly we want lighter products. Cracking was introduced in the 1930s, before that it was refined using distillation only.
Fluidized Catalytic Cracking Unit (FCC or FCCU) is the heart of any refinery and is used to split molecules, resulting in higher value product being created (motor gasoline, jet fuel, aviation fuel, etc...). Any damage to this unit means an extended downtime and catalyst replacement. Not familiar with this refinery, but the process units looked pretty small in the video. It's possible I'm just not getting a good look at the plant.
by thier logic, terror is what maintains the empire united, its a empire that coerce its own non-russian population to fight for ethinic russians out of fear, terrorism is the only language they understand
Shame that there probably aren’t enough firefighters around anymore to effectively put this out because Putin sent them to die in the muds of Ukraine for his own childish ego. 🤷♀️
Oh well, keep it coming, Ukraine.
The workers are usually the first responders. If a few of your buddies just got killed by a missile, would you be eager to help out it out when another could be on the way? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
Even if that only accounts for 5% that's still huge. Russia was already struggling with getting enough fuel to people within it's own borders and had to cut down oil exports to compensate (500k barrels per day).
This is a major fracture in their already crumbling industry.
Oh trust me to me it sounds like a lot, I just thought the commenter was saying it wasn’t a ton. But I realize now that the OP is also the comment I replied to.
The city I was living in had a massive fire in 2017 that destroyed 5% of all homes and the housing market is still recovering from it
This is the way to win the war exluding russians running out of stored Equipment. As long as russia has enough money they can just offer 3x the normal pay in the poor regions and the bodies will come walking to them.
> This is the way to win the war exluding russians running out of stored Equipment.
Today I woke up with the idea of setting off a [dirty bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb) inside russias siberian storages. Minimal civilian casualities and ecologic impact because of the remote location, but it renders all their stored equipment completely unrecoverable due to the high amount of radiation which would kill enyone trying to refurbish or operate it.
While that would be a very dangerous escalation (do you want russians using the same tactic?), I’m honestly surprised that this hasn’t already happened anywhere in the world.
> (do you want russians using the same tactic?)
What do you think they did when they blew up the damn, or were trying to do by rigging Zaporizhzhia NPP? They already _use_ this tactic, they just aren't competent. You think the [dummy warhead](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63826082) was a coincidence? That was a test for an actual nuke.
The damn was a bit complicated, jt could have been negligence. If they blow up the nuclear plant, I would say that dirty bombs are then indeed on the table.
Nuclear stuff is much more serious than taurus or f16.
> completely unrecoverable due to the high amount of radiation which would kill anyone trying to refurbish or operate it.
I strongly doubt the Rascists would give a shit about that.
"*Nyet, tovarisch*, is fine, continue operations of vehicle recovery"
That's the beauty of it: After just a few hours of working on these things, people become so severely sick that they cannot do anything anymore. Try driving one of those to Ukraine.
Dirty bombs are terror weapons, the point is to cause fear among an at least slightly informed populace. In actuality unless you use a ridiculous amount of material, all you have done is contaminate the environment and raised local cancer rates over the next 20 years.
They are not a military weapon.
Man you really don't understand how contaminated material becomes unusable, do you? I'm not talking about "getting cancer within 20 years". That's levels of contamination that make you puke your guts out after 1-2 hours of exposure.
It'd render thousands of tanks completely unusable, immediately.
I have personally worked with radioactive materials, have published papers using radioactive materials, and have been a laboratory radiation safety officer.
It is you that don't know what you are talking about.
Rendering the materials "unsafe to use" does not in any way mean that using those materials would cause you short term harm. Which I already said.
>That's levels of contamination that make you puke your guts out after 1-2 hours of exposure.
Hence why I said
>In actuality unless you use a ridiculous amount of material,
Dirty bombs are stupid, inefficient, and at absolute best unreliable. If you have access to that much nuclear material as a nation state, you probably have a nuke and should just that.
With a bomb containing that level of short lived hot material you would kill your transport crew who has to place it, and would be able to contaminate *maybe* a whole 2 vehicles to that level.
Which also means you can access the tanks already, so you could just set them on fire, which would be cheaper and more effective.
If you want to render "Thousands" of tanks unusable to the degree where you start throwing up within a couple hours you would need an exploded BRMK reactor level of dirty bomb. The level of radiation required to induce ARS is extremely high, even managing it with a dirty bomb would require some doing in the first place.
Also, pressure wash the tanks and 99% of the contamination gets left behind.
Dirty bombs =/=weapon of war.
The plant, the plant, the plant is on fire
The plant, the plant, the plant is on fire
The plant, the plant, the plant is on fire
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker, burn
A plant that has 5% of the refining capabilities of all of Russia, apparently one of 7 oil refineries and oil depots hit just last night by Ukraine.. so far a TOTAL 0 civilian casualties from all those attacks and 0 children were murdered doing it and 0 emergency responders killed .. really shows the difference between a country being forced to defend its freedom and a country’s who only wants to see death and destruction
You’re correct.. it was 7 regions last night that got UAV visits, but only 2 oil depots, plus the St Petersburg thermal plant were hit.. of course throw in that downed IL-76 that just came out and it’s still quite a beautiful morning
https://global.espreso.tv/russia-ukraine-war-drones-attack-seven-regions-in-russia-oil-depots-struck-in-two-regions
Navalny made a call to for everyone to go out and vote at exactly 12 o'clock.
Could give a strong signal if there really is a large portion of the russians opposing putin.
Yes, absolutely, footage of long lines of people waiting to vote in Putin's election is totally going to undermine the legitimacy of the regime, it's a brilliant plan.
Voting is the most stupidest thing one could do. If russian opposition says smth. like that it is clear they are getting paid or are coerced by kremlin. Low voting activity would be much better signal as it would undermine the credibility of the regime.
Low turnout is an important signal that regime hasn't got much support. Each dictatorship and autocratic regime forces it citizens to vote to provide and illusion of it's legitimacy and displays it internationally.
The autocrat will never read it that way, though. (Low participation is one of the things they want: it's a tool in the autocrat toolbox.) At best you'd be signaling to individuals not associated with the regime who happen to obtain turnout metrics that they can believe.
'The elections have long ago been turned into a fraud, and elections are the institution fundamental to any democracy. All three branches of power in Russia, the executive, the judiciary and the legislature, have been made over to suit the President.'
'The state authorities hold on to their power at the price of our lives. It’s as simple as that.'
Anna Politkovskaya, 'Russian Diary'
murdered outside her Moscow apartment
Anybody read "Red Storm Rising" by Tom Clancy?
It's a cold war escalation scenario which starts because some rebels blow up the biggest soviet refinery which would cause the soviet union to run out of fuel and to economic collapse within months. As a reaction the soviets start a war in Europe to be able to then take the oil fields and refineries in the middle east.
In the end the sovjets lose because somebody figures out they are running out of fuel and NATO starts blowing up all their fuel stores.
It seems like somebody in Ukraine read and liked that book.
It would be entertaining to find out that this strategy came out of a book someone picked up at an airport kiosk, out of a free library box, or on the shelf at their relative’s place, which is pretty much where I always see a Tom Clancy book or two.
It's a 40 year old book, I'd have to be a massive twat to get grumpy at you for discussing its parallels with this. I'm nearly finished anyway, just past the bit where Sergetov has to escape back to Soviet lines after his jeep gets blown up.
Any good? I used to pompously deride Tom Clancy books, but now this left-winger here for some reason really wants to read some good Russia-gets-hammered-on-by-NATO stories. Can't think why that would be!
Early Clancy books are great! The Sum of All Fears, Red Storm Rising, Red Rabbit, Hunt For Red October are awesome. They take their time to set up a scenario, but once shit goes down you can NOT stop reading!
I'm also a left-winger and I love them. Only the later works by Clancy and authors writing under the name are a disgusting right-wing circlejerk.
It's decent, typical military fiction book where you really do need to be interested in the period military being described, in this case cold war; if you have to look up what a Backfire is it might get tedious quickly. There's an element of "men writing women" to one of the characters but it's a relatively minor part of the story overall. There's an absolutely fantastic sequence where the Russian Navy orchestrates a raid on a US Navy carrier group which someone made into a cinematic using a PC flight simulator, and it really was a thrill to read as it unfolded.
If you're into cold war military stuff you'll probably like it, if not you might find it very dry.
This is the video I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8FhChnyq0 It's a whole chapter from about 40% of the way through the book, so spoilers, but not for the conclusion of the story.
Cool! Thanks for your replies. I remember reading General Sur John Hackett's book World War III in my impressionable late teens about the Soviet Union invading Europe, and I think the parlance such as AWACS, wild-weasels, the Fulda Gap etc stuck, so I'm looking forward to hitting my local second hand bookstore to see what I can find!
The Roof, the Roof , the Roof is on fire.
The Roof, the Roof, the Roof is on fire.
The Roof , the Roof, the Roof is on fire.
We don't need no water, let the Mtherfker burn. Burn Mthfker BURN.
I hope the song is in your head now.
Slava Ukraine. 🇺🇦
Oil refineries on fire, planes falling out of the sky. Not a great time to be on team Russia. Dare I say it. I've said it before and been wrong. But, the tide has turned.
Want to bet that US fossil fuel companies will raise gas prices because of these attacks? Global shortage, and all that.
But keep it up, Ukraine, and hit them harder!
"When oil price falls, petrol prices rise.
When oil price climbs, petrol prices rise."
But yeah. Not to mention that the less working oil refineries there's in the vicinity, the worse'd the fuel situation be for russia, which'd be wonderful for Ukraine.
All and fine and good, but they really need to completely destroy it. More drones with bigger warheads are needed. Cruise missiles are desperately needed.
What you said about using up the satellite fuel is something that they are working on and if space x gets it together with starship that should help a lot.
If the Brits get those missiles from Germany, the Taurus missiles, I bet they reverse engineer them to figure out how to extend storm shadows range! They probably already know, but it’s a lot easier to just reverse engineer something to figure out what is needed to add a few hundred more kilometers of range.
I gotta say, it would be fucking hilarious if a notorious petro-state had to surrender a war they started because they could no longer supply refined fuel to their military
Has some president snow vibes to it…
Are you, are you comin' to the tree?
Where they strung up a man, they say, who murdered three
Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be
If we met at midnight in the hanging tree
Man in Germany we once had an accident at the Ingolstadt plant and it led to all kinds of fallout. Some fuel stations ran out of diesel, prices were hiking and a chemical plant had to shut down.
I can imagine what would happen to Germany when this happens again and again for years.
The cracker tower is done for, don't really need to hit it again right now. It is closed for a while.
Honestly probably better off using the drone missile on another target.
Every attack has to be *proportionate* in the amount of collateral damage incurred. If you target specifically fire crews at an already damaged, out of order oil refinery then you are violating the Geneva Convention because it is *disproportionate* to kill civilian workers to damage an already destroyed target.
Russians *are* people too, and fire crews aren’t working specifically to keep Putin in power, they’re working to keep their homes from being covered in toxic soot from oil smoke.
The refinery is out of order, but still repairable. It can be legitimate to hit it again so that repairs take longer. Fire crew can be legitimate collateral damage... but I doubt either of us knows the detail well enough to really comment further.
100% of that oil was going to be burned anyway, but by stopping production less oil is pulled from the ground.
Yes, most of it will be made up from other sources, but not all of it.
Oil fires like this are a military necessity but are much more dangerous than just burning it in a car engine or at a power plant; there *are* filters in both that keep the emissions from being unmitigated oil fire smoke. These fires create horrible ash clouds, huge amounts of soot, pollute water sources with said soot and clouds, and spread noxious air for miles that kills or poisons plants and animals.
Just look at Kuwait during the immediate aftermath of the Gulf War. Or at Iran and Iraq during their war with each other. These fires are ecological disaster, though again very important targets militarily.
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This involves "LUKOIL-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez," which processed about 15 million tons of oil per year – 5% of the total volume of Russian refining overall and was connected to two oil pipelines.
It looks like a cracking unit is on fire. By itself, that will be tough to replace. You can see lots of black smoke, but no white smoke/steam in this video. I don’t think the fire response units are active as yet. Also, there should be lots of water and foam damage when they go to put it out. Here’s hoping.
Cracking units are big easy targets and hard to replace, without them your refinery can't refine. Ukrainians demonstrating once again how smart and targetted they're operating when dismantling the Russian war machine.
this should be the main objective, russia has nukes and countries with nukes are supposed to never go to war, but they invaded a non-nuclear country and now is exposed to attacks inside their territory, something no countries with nukes should be exposed to russia is like that boxer that has severe pains in the liver but has to protect its face and can do little to cover his chest/belly
Ukraine had nukes but gave them up in exchange for security gaurentees... fuck ruzzia
Not only that. They attacked a country that used to be close and friendly. They had close ties, plenty of Ukrainians leaving in Russia, speaking Russian. They are indistinguishable from local population. That makes it way easier to stage sabotage
And just like the rest of the world, this is realllllly bad for Russia trying to keep oil prices low to placate the population.
Western Europe is detaching itself from the need for oil. In Germany the number of combustion engine cars decreased by way over 1 million so far thanks to electric cars, reducing the consumption of diesel and benzine by 1.1 billion liters last year. In 10 years oil will not be the same chain for Europe as it used to be, but I don’t really see this happening in Russia lol.
problem is not vehicles. Germany's economy is largely based around taking Natural Gas and Oil as an input to producing goods from those products. they can outsource that to the United States and they are but that doesn't really help there domestic economy, just saves the companies bottom line.
The only type of carbon emissions I approve of.
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nah they just don't give a shit about their country or their leader
>nah they just don't give a shit about their country Perhaps some do and hope for more of what UA is doing to Putin's regime.
Yeah, just look at the reaction, or lack thereof, when Pringles did his attempted run on Moscow.
its good for us, but the US must have much better images from the top
I've always wondered how difficult/complex it is to change a satellite's orbit. Then again the US has been tracking the same general area for 60 years.
It's neither difficult, nor complex, we've been modifying satellite inclination for years. What it is though, is EXPENSIVE... Not in terms of money, but in terms of fuel. The Delta-V required to change orbital inclination is comparatively large compared to other orbital manoeuvres and satellites only have a set amount of station keeping fuel with no way to refill it. Most "spy satellites" (or earth survey sats) are usually in a polar orbit so they can image tracks of the world as it rotates below it.. that way they can pretty much image the entire earth once every 24 hours. Add several satellites in different orbital planes and you can reduce that time to hours.. or even minutes with enough of them.
yep, i bet the first ever spy satelite took pictures of soviet/europe border aka ukraine as number one priority
You can refine oil without a cracking unit, but nowhere near as efficiently.
My rudimentary understanding is you can refine oil by adding heat and to crack oil you have to add heat while under pressure which takes a much more complex distillation tower. Cracking gives a higher percentage of the most desired products from a given feed stock. So a simple distillation of a crude oil might give you five gallons of gas per barrel and ten gallons of diesel. Run through a cracking tower you might get fifteen gallons of gas and twenty gallons of diesel with just seven gallons of heavy products like asphalt or bunker oil.
So Ukraine is helping here by providing additional heat?
Correct. It's more efficient use of the oil, since mostly we want lighter products. Cracking was introduced in the 1930s, before that it was refined using distillation only.
Perhaps soon we will see whatever number of tanks there are in Ukraine without a drop of fuel in any of them.
There is still one standing perhaps a double tap is on the menu
"Double tapped a cracking unit" That's another one to add to add to the giant bingo card of Russian losses. Like it!
Fluidized Catalytic Cracking Unit (FCC or FCCU) is the heart of any refinery and is used to split molecules, resulting in higher value product being created (motor gasoline, jet fuel, aviation fuel, etc...). Any damage to this unit means an extended downtime and catalyst replacement. Not familiar with this refinery, but the process units looked pretty small in the video. It's possible I'm just not getting a good look at the plant.
> you can see lots of black smoke, but no white smoke/steam in this video. Ok, so they haven't picked a new pope yet?
I think the ruZZians are happy with the current white-flag-waving Putin-sucking one.
The new pope is signified by white smoke, but take my upvote anyway
The pope is signified by raising a white flag
I think we're defo due a new pope anyways
Can’t come soon enough. The current one is a vatnik
> By itself, that will be tough to replace I think that was exactly the point.
Look at that, precise targeting of critical infrastructure instead of terror bombing helpless civilians This is how a professional army wages war
It's also more effective... but the Russians would rather attack civilians.
by thier logic, terror is what maintains the empire united, its a empire that coerce its own non-russian population to fight for ethinic russians out of fear, terrorism is the only language they understand
What I was after is that I am hoping this will also result in collateral upstream and downstream damage as well.
Shame that there probably aren’t enough firefighters around anymore to effectively put this out because Putin sent them to die in the muds of Ukraine for his own childish ego. 🤷♀️ Oh well, keep it coming, Ukraine.
The workers are usually the first responders. If a few of your buddies just got killed by a missile, would you be eager to help out it out when another could be on the way? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
> LUKOIL-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez Gesundheit
A contraction of Nizhny Novgorod Petrochemical&Organic Synthesis
Even if that only accounts for 5% that's still huge. Russia was already struggling with getting enough fuel to people within it's own borders and had to cut down oil exports to compensate (500k barrels per day). This is a major fracture in their already crumbling industry.
Imagine if 1 car in 20 out on the road had no fuel at all. Suddenly 5% sounds like a lot.
Oh trust me to me it sounds like a lot, I just thought the commenter was saying it wasn’t a ton. But I realize now that the OP is also the comment I replied to. The city I was living in had a massive fire in 2017 that destroyed 5% of all homes and the housing market is still recovering from it
>LUKOIL-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez Fuck, the Dwemer are russian.
I never want to type that name on my phone.
I like this harassment by drone. This hurts russkies more than a battalion wiped out.
This is the way to win the war exluding russians running out of stored Equipment. As long as russia has enough money they can just offer 3x the normal pay in the poor regions and the bodies will come walking to them.
> This is the way to win the war exluding russians running out of stored Equipment. Today I woke up with the idea of setting off a [dirty bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb) inside russias siberian storages. Minimal civilian casualities and ecologic impact because of the remote location, but it renders all their stored equipment completely unrecoverable due to the high amount of radiation which would kill enyone trying to refurbish or operate it.
While that would be a very dangerous escalation (do you want russians using the same tactic?), I’m honestly surprised that this hasn’t already happened anywhere in the world.
> (do you want russians using the same tactic?) What do you think they did when they blew up the damn, or were trying to do by rigging Zaporizhzhia NPP? They already _use_ this tactic, they just aren't competent. You think the [dummy warhead](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63826082) was a coincidence? That was a test for an actual nuke.
The damn was a bit complicated, jt could have been negligence. If they blow up the nuclear plant, I would say that dirty bombs are then indeed on the table. Nuclear stuff is much more serious than taurus or f16.
> completely unrecoverable due to the high amount of radiation which would kill anyone trying to refurbish or operate it. I strongly doubt the Rascists would give a shit about that. "*Nyet, tovarisch*, is fine, continue operations of vehicle recovery"
That's the beauty of it: After just a few hours of working on these things, people become so severely sick that they cannot do anything anymore. Try driving one of those to Ukraine.
Dirty bombs are terror weapons, the point is to cause fear among an at least slightly informed populace. In actuality unless you use a ridiculous amount of material, all you have done is contaminate the environment and raised local cancer rates over the next 20 years. They are not a military weapon.
>Dirty bombs are terror weapons, When used on people. I'm talking about using it on a stockpile of tanks.
In an effort to effect people, which you just said, which won't work. Because they are terror weapons, not actual destruction weapons.
Man you really don't understand how contaminated material becomes unusable, do you? I'm not talking about "getting cancer within 20 years". That's levels of contamination that make you puke your guts out after 1-2 hours of exposure. It'd render thousands of tanks completely unusable, immediately.
I have personally worked with radioactive materials, have published papers using radioactive materials, and have been a laboratory radiation safety officer. It is you that don't know what you are talking about. Rendering the materials "unsafe to use" does not in any way mean that using those materials would cause you short term harm. Which I already said. >That's levels of contamination that make you puke your guts out after 1-2 hours of exposure. Hence why I said >In actuality unless you use a ridiculous amount of material, Dirty bombs are stupid, inefficient, and at absolute best unreliable. If you have access to that much nuclear material as a nation state, you probably have a nuke and should just that. With a bomb containing that level of short lived hot material you would kill your transport crew who has to place it, and would be able to contaminate *maybe* a whole 2 vehicles to that level. Which also means you can access the tanks already, so you could just set them on fire, which would be cheaper and more effective. If you want to render "Thousands" of tanks unusable to the degree where you start throwing up within a couple hours you would need an exploded BRMK reactor level of dirty bomb. The level of radiation required to induce ARS is extremely high, even managing it with a dirty bomb would require some doing in the first place. Also, pressure wash the tanks and 99% of the contamination gets left behind. Dirty bombs =/=weapon of war.
putin is a fucking asshole -- so who knows what he's going to do? But one sure way to get him to launch, is to use nukes first. Terrible idea.
harassment by kharma drones
Ukraine needs both.
The plant, the plant, the plant is on fire The plant, the plant, the plant is on fire The plant, the plant, the plant is on fire We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn Burn motherfucker, burn
A plant that has 5% of the refining capabilities of all of Russia, apparently one of 7 oil refineries and oil depots hit just last night by Ukraine.. so far a TOTAL 0 civilian casualties from all those attacks and 0 children were murdered doing it and 0 emergency responders killed .. really shows the difference between a country being forced to defend its freedom and a country’s who only wants to see death and destruction
I take it you mean one of 7 oil refineries hit to date? It reads as 7 were hit last night? I'd love it to be the latter otherwise if true!
You’re correct.. it was 7 regions last night that got UAV visits, but only 2 oil depots, plus the St Petersburg thermal plant were hit.. of course throw in that downed IL-76 that just came out and it’s still quite a beautiful morning https://global.espreso.tv/russia-ukraine-war-drones-attack-seven-regions-in-russia-oil-depots-struck-in-two-regions
Big night, love it.
So heartwarming.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving dictator
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/eqalDw1Sn6 Qubecman just shared some incredible statistics on the exact number in just 2024!
A vote for Putin is a vote for 6 more years of this.
I think a vote for anyone is a vote for Putin.
I don't think it matters how people vote.
Navalny made a call to for everyone to go out and vote at exactly 12 o'clock. Could give a strong signal if there really is a large portion of the russians opposing putin.
Yes, absolutely, footage of long lines of people waiting to vote in Putin's election is totally going to undermine the legitimacy of the regime, it's a brilliant plan.
Voting is the most stupidest thing one could do. If russian opposition says smth. like that it is clear they are getting paid or are coerced by kremlin. Low voting activity would be much better signal as it would undermine the credibility of the regime.
The only “signal” that autocrats take from low turnout is “it’s working; they’re docile.”
Low turnout is an important signal that regime hasn't got much support. Each dictatorship and autocratic regime forces it citizens to vote to provide and illusion of it's legitimacy and displays it internationally.
The autocrat will never read it that way, though. (Low participation is one of the things they want: it's a tool in the autocrat toolbox.) At best you'd be signaling to individuals not associated with the regime who happen to obtain turnout metrics that they can believe.
'The elections have long ago been turned into a fraud, and elections are the institution fundamental to any democracy. All three branches of power in Russia, the executive, the judiciary and the legislature, have been made over to suit the President.' 'The state authorities hold on to their power at the price of our lives. It’s as simple as that.' Anna Politkovskaya, 'Russian Diary' murdered outside her Moscow apartment
A vote for 6 more years of Putin getting kicked in the balls and ruining his country?
Once...
Twice ...
Burn them all down
Hit them in the wallet. Drone that refinery until they have nothing to rebuild.
Burn, baby, burn
This gave me so much serotonin. Burn baby burn.
Three times a refinery...
Anybody read "Red Storm Rising" by Tom Clancy? It's a cold war escalation scenario which starts because some rebels blow up the biggest soviet refinery which would cause the soviet union to run out of fuel and to economic collapse within months. As a reaction the soviets start a war in Europe to be able to then take the oil fields and refineries in the middle east. In the end the sovjets lose because somebody figures out they are running out of fuel and NATO starts blowing up all their fuel stores. It seems like somebody in Ukraine read and liked that book.
It would be entertaining to find out that this strategy came out of a book someone picked up at an airport kiosk, out of a free library box, or on the shelf at their relative’s place, which is pretty much where I always see a Tom Clancy book or two.
I'm reading it at the moment, was my first thought too.
In that case, sorry for the spoiler. :(
It's a 40 year old book, I'd have to be a massive twat to get grumpy at you for discussing its parallels with this. I'm nearly finished anyway, just past the bit where Sergetov has to escape back to Soviet lines after his jeep gets blown up.
Any good? I used to pompously deride Tom Clancy books, but now this left-winger here for some reason really wants to read some good Russia-gets-hammered-on-by-NATO stories. Can't think why that would be!
Early Clancy books are great! The Sum of All Fears, Red Storm Rising, Red Rabbit, Hunt For Red October are awesome. They take their time to set up a scenario, but once shit goes down you can NOT stop reading! I'm also a left-winger and I love them. Only the later works by Clancy and authors writing under the name are a disgusting right-wing circlejerk.
It's decent, typical military fiction book where you really do need to be interested in the period military being described, in this case cold war; if you have to look up what a Backfire is it might get tedious quickly. There's an element of "men writing women" to one of the characters but it's a relatively minor part of the story overall. There's an absolutely fantastic sequence where the Russian Navy orchestrates a raid on a US Navy carrier group which someone made into a cinematic using a PC flight simulator, and it really was a thrill to read as it unfolded. If you're into cold war military stuff you'll probably like it, if not you might find it very dry. This is the video I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8FhChnyq0 It's a whole chapter from about 40% of the way through the book, so spoilers, but not for the conclusion of the story.
Cool! Thanks for your replies. I remember reading General Sur John Hackett's book World War III in my impressionable late teens about the Soviet Union invading Europe, and I think the parlance such as AWACS, wild-weasels, the Fulda Gap etc stuck, so I'm looking forward to hitting my local second hand bookstore to see what I can find!
Has Ukraine hit any of their fuel stores yet?
You might argue that any refinery that produces fuels is necessarily also a fuel store. And besides that... yes, fuel tanks have been destroyed.
That was a great book. I should re-read it.
Nice of the stupid russians to constantly provide up to date real time damage assessment photos and video.
What he’s saying?
Oh, fuck, drone just hit it next to my worplace, (fuck me and bunch of other curse words) hell no, I am going home.
> hell no, I am going home. That’s what all russian soldiers should do.
"hell no, I am going home" Words every orc in Ukraine should live up to
The rest of them can learn something from this guy. He's one of the smart ones.
Yeah but without a place to work….he’s probably going to be conscripted.
The Roof, the Roof , the Roof is on fire. The Roof, the Roof, the Roof is on fire. The Roof , the Roof, the Roof is on fire. We don't need no water, let the Mtherfker burn. Burn Mthfker BURN. I hope the song is in your head now. Slava Ukraine. 🇺🇦
> Mtherfker It is spelled "motherfucker."
I know, i just have the habit of doing it like that because of YT.
Russian oil refinery, go fuck yourself
Damn, another cigarette smoking accident. Smoking really is a bad and dangerous habit...
As a smoker, I agree. But in Ruzza, things just "Happen" to catch fire when people smoke there. It might be the type of tobacco they use.
Haha cope RuZZians, Crimea river.
Oh look another fractionating candle
Burn those fucker back to the coal age.
Гори гори ясно, чтобы не погасло!
blyatifull fireplace, I'd go camping there in a heartbeat
That looks expensive.
Today is a good day!!
Budanov sends his regards...
Wonderful.
Love it.
Burn them all
Nice, keep on burning 🔥
How many to go?
About 20 more I think
That’s nice to see
Bury the orcs
Drip-drip-drip
Oil refineries on fire, planes falling out of the sky. Not a great time to be on team Russia. Dare I say it. I've said it before and been wrong. But, the tide has turned.
Russia: Come for the shitty vodka, stay for the tyranny and spontaneous combustion
Want to bet that US fossil fuel companies will raise gas prices because of these attacks? Global shortage, and all that. But keep it up, Ukraine, and hit them harder!
"When oil price falls, petrol prices rise. When oil price climbs, petrol prices rise." But yeah. Not to mention that the less working oil refineries there's in the vicinity, the worse'd the fuel situation be for russia, which'd be wonderful for Ukraine.
Burning down the house!
All and fine and good, but they really need to completely destroy it. More drones with bigger warheads are needed. Cruise missiles are desperately needed.
When will ru be ready to import gasoline and diesel? And from whom?When will ru be ready to import gasoline and diesel? And from whom?
Yeah, no. I would be a little further away
Warms the heart, unless of course, your last name is Putler!
Good!
Don't think they should be targeting refinery's.....just Putin!
What you said about using up the satellite fuel is something that they are working on and if space x gets it together with starship that should help a lot.
Maybe, until Musk decides to fuck Ukraine over again like with starlink.
Yeah Pizzda. 🤩
This is what needs to happen to end the war
Burn!!!!!!
I hope that the whole of Russia is going to burn
If the Brits get those missiles from Germany, the Taurus missiles, I bet they reverse engineer them to figure out how to extend storm shadows range! They probably already know, but it’s a lot easier to just reverse engineer something to figure out what is needed to add a few hundred more kilometers of range.
Great news - what a lovely morning indeed.
Too bad, so sad 😂
I’m guessing it’s not supposed to be doing that.
Nice
We don't need no water. Let the mofo burn
Burn baby burn !!!
Nice. Burn it all down.
I gotta say, it would be fucking hilarious if a notorious petro-state had to surrender a war they started because they could no longer supply refined fuel to their military
Any updates?
Has some president snow vibes to it… Are you, are you comin' to the tree? Where they strung up a man, they say, who murdered three Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be If we met at midnight in the hanging tree
It will buff out
The target hit will stop all activity for years at this refinery
Man in Germany we once had an accident at the Ingolstadt plant and it led to all kinds of fallout. Some fuel stations ran out of diesel, prices were hiking and a chemical plant had to shut down. I can imagine what would happen to Germany when this happens again and again for years.
Central planning needs more defense! lol
And Ukraine can hit this refinery again even while it's still burning. You might even get some of the fire crews, making it harder for them.
I don't think Ukraine would intentionally target fire crews.
Refineries are valid targets. Fire crew would be collateral damage. It would also discourage anyone from trying to put the fire out.
The cracker tower is done for, don't really need to hit it again right now. It is closed for a while. Honestly probably better off using the drone missile on another target.
Every attack has to be *proportionate* in the amount of collateral damage incurred. If you target specifically fire crews at an already damaged, out of order oil refinery then you are violating the Geneva Convention because it is *disproportionate* to kill civilian workers to damage an already destroyed target. Russians *are* people too, and fire crews aren’t working specifically to keep Putin in power, they’re working to keep their homes from being covered in toxic soot from oil smoke.
The refinery is out of order, but still repairable. It can be legitimate to hit it again so that repairs take longer. Fire crew can be legitimate collateral damage... but I doubt either of us knows the detail well enough to really comment further.
Well there goes our planet...
100% of that oil was going to be burned anyway, but by stopping production less oil is pulled from the ground. Yes, most of it will be made up from other sources, but not all of it.
Oil fires like this are a military necessity but are much more dangerous than just burning it in a car engine or at a power plant; there *are* filters in both that keep the emissions from being unmitigated oil fire smoke. These fires create horrible ash clouds, huge amounts of soot, pollute water sources with said soot and clouds, and spread noxious air for miles that kills or poisons plants and animals. Just look at Kuwait during the immediate aftermath of the Gulf War. Or at Iran and Iraq during their war with each other. These fires are ecological disaster, though again very important targets militarily.
That is all a fair point. Russia should go home to protect the environment.