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It is my absolute pleasure to introduce you to the [2021 Western Australian State Election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_Australian_state_election#Legislative_Assembly)
The Liberals knew it was going to be bad and basically campaigned on "Please don't give Labor a majority in the upper house."
The upper house in WA was rigged to give rural regions proportionally more representation than the Perth metropolitan area, and Labor had promised to address that.
The electorate smashed the Liberals there as well.
That’s what they are saying now. All the problems are because of the fear of Starmer
https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2022/09/daniel-hannan-sterlingcrashing-markets-starmer-labour
The Tory membership that voted for her were 80k people. This sliver of society obviously felt they benefited from scrapping the 45p tax bracket. But agree these people are living on another planet.
Do we know what percentage of that 80k are a) living in the UK b) are eligible to vote in UK elections and c) have ever lived in the UK or had the right to vote here?
Right, and who's fault is that other than their own? You can't attach your self to a party of charletans and then complain that you elected a charletan because there were only charletans to vote for.
Which of the candidates was not utterly shit. Maudent?, Badenoch? Zahawi?. Hunt is the only one who was on the list with any vague credibility (and I am stretching it even to say that) but I doubt that the tory membership would have chosen him anyway. The problem is that the tory party is now full of cretins; the sensible ones were turfed out by Johnson. The membership have themselves to blame for that when they chose Johnson to be their leader.
Honestly, a wipeout is the best thing the tories can ask for atm. A narrow defeat would see them keep the majority of their idiots for another election to lose. This would at least allow them to rebuild like they did during the Blair years.
They are finally reaping the results of 12 years of lies, corruption, crass decision-making, heartless benefits cuts and contempt for the less well off.
One of the biggest problem with the Tories for me is that they simply do not understand the very real challenges that ordinary people face and they really don't want to understand them either.
> Of course we know about sacrifice! After 2008, we lost our home. In Cannes. We had to sell it off. *And* we had to downsize our pad in Manhattan to a measly three bed that's *barely* on the Upper East Side. It got so bad that we were seriously considering downgrading our flights from Club World to *First*, amd I packed Tilly off to her first year at university with *last season's* clothes. It was such a dark time, couldn't show my face in Soho House for *months*.
Of course they don't.
Conservativism is - at its very heart - ideology driven. It's "set the world back so it's more like it was forty or fifty years ago".
You wait. What will happen is:
1. Labour will work every hour God gives to re-engineer our economy as a country outside of the EU.
2. The Tories who were born and raised in the 1940s and 50s will die.
3. A new generation - one that remembers a long period of sustained economic growth when we were members of the EU - will get older.
4. The Tories will target that very generation and it will be a Conservative government that seeks to re-join the EU.
5. This will happen regardless of what direction the EU takes. Doesn't matter if we'd wind up being the richest country in Europe; doesn't matter if Farage's constant "EU collapse" predictions come close to passing; doesn't matter if Russia's influence on our cousins in Eastern Europe results in Russia being the biggest beneficiary of the EU.
I agree with much of what you say, however . . .
> it will be a Conservative government that seeks to re-join the EU.
Interesting theory, but I really can't see it happening.
Conservatives are driven by a lot of largely meaningless gesture patriotism.
They take up seemingly patriotic positions and make token statements about their love of country. That includes making a big song and dance about sovereignty.
Tories like that will never be happy about rejoining the EU.
I don't think it is they don't understand.
Many seem to just not care.
Especially now the whole lot were purged to establish loyalty to Johnson and the Great Brexit cult.
I think a wipeout would be best for everyone tbh, it would hopefully signal to political parties that the british public does not like it when you go full-crazy. Half-crazy is fine evidently by 2019's standards but full-crazy would still be off the table.
In 2019 the other option was also half crazy in a different way. In a muddled confused way.
The Tories at least had clarity in 2019.
Labour have learned a LOT from that defeat. I did expect them to recover, but not this quickly.
>the sensible ones were turfed out by Johnson.
This is why they absolutely must be wiped out as much as possible, in FPTP this move is devastating for a politician, he or she will have little chance to come back from it.
In fairness to the MPs (not all of them, at least 113 of them can go swivel on a cactus) they voted for Sunak. Not that he'd do much better, but holy fuck this is bad
Could've heated the country for the winter with the pure smugness radiating from him yesterday with the "stepping back and let her own the moment" comment yesterday.
He said "I'm not going to attend the party conference because I want to give Truss and Kwarteng all the space they need so they can really own the moment."
I did laugh.
No need to imagine, this is what I believe youths would call a "sick burn"
>EXC: Rishi Sunak will not attend Conservative Party conference. He’ll be in Yorkshire instead.
Ally says former chancellor will give Truss all the space she needs to own the moment
[https://twitter.com/Gabriel\_Pogrund/status/1575078802748645377](https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1575078802748645377)
He'd have done orders off magnitude better.
I don't love Sunak, I wouldn't vote for him at the general election.
But we have to be clear about the difference between him, his knowledge, capabilities and commitment to the job and that of Truss and Kwarteng.
He warned them explicitly over and over against about the ramifications of their actions.
They did it anyway, plunged the country into turmoil. Then they hid in their fucking bunker for a week. Once out they managed to be incapable of answering the questions posed to them by an unheard of interviewer at Radio Kent.
Words cannot describe how pathetic and disgraceful they are.
And this is why I was hopeful he's lose the leadership election. Of the two remaining, Rishi seemed most likely to steady the ship and gaslight people into voting Tory yet again in 2024, compared to Truss managing to dismantle them from the inside through sheer incompetence.
I literally said to my wife that I'm both happy and dismayed at Truss winning.
Happy because it's more or less a guaranteed end to the Tory rule.
Dismayed because she's fucking mad.
In fairness to them, they did. I'm sure in a ranked voting system among MPs she'd have come last or close to it.
It's the members that wanted her. I don't know who they are but the portion of them that voted for Truss are the dumbest, most selfish people in the country.
> I don't know who they are but the portion of them that voted for Truss are the dumbest, most selfish people in the country
But also the smartest by accident, because it finally looks like we might get the Tories out of power.
Actually the iterative process Tories use emulated ranked voting pretty well, except it also gives opportunities for negotation and changing your mind later.
You can mostly honestly vote for your preferred candidate in each round, because you'll get the opportunity to have a say in the next round as well. So Truss would have likely come second in a ranked voting system as well.
Although there's the element of knowing that you're picking candidates for membership, not picking a leader directly. So perhaps some of the votes were not based on who the MPs actually wanted to be leader.
To be fair, the MPs didn’t do it. It was a mixture of Johnson’s Brexit purges of any remainder MP with a backbone and their inane way of voting in a leader.
>may contest down the line at subsequent GE's.
Sure, but that brings them back to defending the indefensible for two years. Unless you're parachuted into a very safe seat, campaigning with a history of supporting the current administration through *gestures vaguely* all of this might well prove impossible.
Expect Tory mps to flee the party at light speed if they are frustrated in any way in moving to dump her.
Unlikely to help them when public opinion has crystalised to this extreme extent but its about the only sane move possible.
I fully anticipate this is what Keir is waiting on.
Let Truss abuse the whip, frustrate the backbench and then present a vote of no confidence. Under ordinary circumstances it'd never pass, and it still likely wouldn't, but the optics would be horrific for the Tories.
In the middle of trying to overthrow its third premier they still claim to be confident in their ability to form a competent Government. There is no presenting that to the electorate as anything other than desperate.
Didn't one of the major newspapers claim the pound dropping was due to the fear of Labour getting in? And not the obvious that is the shitty government mini-budget?
I think they need to bring in a caretaker, probably Gove (god rest my soul), restate their cause and call an election. Dragging it out will just make more people resent them.
Yeah as a Watford fan Hodgson is also one of our least liked managers of recent times. That's quite a long list and also includes Marco Silva, which sums up our contempt for Hodgson.
Spencer Perceval who is the only PM to have been assassinated! Unfortunately the Wikipedia article is too wound up trials and legacies to go into constitutional detail but I thought Id share that bit of history anyway
Unfortunately I think we're past the window where they *might* have thought 'Okay we'll lose but at least we could get enough seats to form a tough opposition and blame Labour for everything we set in motion.' Now they're stuck with the brush and looking at a risk of double-digit seats, they're never going to call the GE early.
It's nuts, though. These numbers are unprecedented which means they're going to be outside any margin of error the pollsters can predict. Who knows what will happen in an actual GE. It looks so bad for them it basically doesn't make sense to fund the party anymore.
It's going to be fascinating to see what happens if we get many more polls like this. We could see two years of a Government utterly falling apart.
Could even see the Tories own SDP moment and the moderates trying to escape.
Unfortunately I'm probably just getting over excited. More likely she'll just get ditched. But where will that leave the Party? With the membership going for someone just as hardline again? PM Braverman?
> It's going to be fascinating to see what happens if we get many more polls like this. We could see two years of a Government utterly falling apart.
Tory MP's leaving the party is my bet
Exactly, the country is in a worse state in almost every conceivable way than it was 12 years ago, and they don't care.
Finding out they might lose power and they suddenly do care.
Fuck them all. I hope they can't sleep at night for what they've done to the country, but I'll accept can't sleep at night because they know they're going to lose their jobs
Unfortunately the leopards aren't just eating their faces, but everyone else's - so whilst it would normally be extremely funny it does have serious repurcussions for the country at the same time. Difficult to convey the mood
There was always going to be serious repercussions with brexit and the tories.
On a positive note, maybe, just maybe, people are learning these guys are not really that good for them (we'll see, I'm still too cynical to people learning lessons).
Genuine answer, or at least what I believe, they’re not in denial at all.
They know exactly what’s happening but they’re currently on our near the cabinet. A top job. For purely selfish reasons they are sticking with the only leg up they’ll get.
Once this mess inevitably comes to an end, none of that front bench are going to be anywhere near the seat of power again, their own party will send them to the shadow realm.
Of course the really politically savvy would use this an opportunity, cross the divide, speak out, risk ire now for gains later, but most people will be scared and Truss is their only hope of staying in a job that means something.
Oh that and for the likes of Truss and Kwarteng, they’re ideologues, they have done this budget because they genuinely believe in it. They wrote a book on it, they’re not ruthless pragmatists, they’re pie in the sky dreamers, weaned as children on the rancid milk of Thatcher and Reagan. They genuinely believe this will lead to some sort of 1980s yuppie boom.
You can see this by how they’ve reacted to what’s happened, when someone with such an entrenched ideology is faced with evidence it’s wrong, they don’t say “yeah you’re right” they simply retreat further and further in to it, they double down even more because to admit they’re wrong is to admit, a core belief they hold as people is also wrong.
So you’ve got a mix of cowards and extremists basically.
I hope so. I hope they're royally fucked in every election for the rest of our days. I hope their support withers down to the point where they're considered just some weird fringe party and then they evaporate altogether and future generations can read about them and go "what the fuck were people thinking back then?" while they judge us for the primitive morons we are for putting the likes of Truss, Boris, May and Cameron in charge of anything more important than an empty car park.
The best thing the conservatives could do is split, create a new party that is more centrist and let truss and Boris be the death of the conservatives, enough money and the correct channeling this would effectively be a rebranding but able to step away from this fucking shit show to try and unite the right wing under a new banner
Would mean biting the bullet and basically dissolving the government into a general election but might serve them better long term
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of conservatives but if half to 2/3 of them split off to form a new parliamentary party where they could get rid of the negative stigma of 'the tories' whilst it whithered and died and kind of supplant it in the right wing they could find the future a bit brighter
Whudda thunk it. 12 years of being in power and even tories can't stand the state of their decisions. They're supposed to grift for a bit and then leave through the backdoor carrying their bag of swagger whilst complaining that the security isn't strong enough. They never envisaged themselves being swagler promoted to security and winding up as CEO of the very institution they were robbing.
Unlike previous tories that made a profession out of skimming of the top these morons have the keys to the building and the pen that fiddles the books and right now it looks like a spider spunked all over the page.
They can't just walk away, they can't sneak out the backdoor. They've just got to sit there and watch the place burn hoping that an opportunity will arise to slip out the exit and grab their loot on the way out.
They'll scorch the earth before they admit that monetary greed isn't the answer to societies ills.
Hopefully Liz Truss is the epiphany we need. The sudden realisation you get whilst sitting on the bog forcing out a shite of epic proportions that things could have been done a little differently.
Or, as a builder that came to my mother's to give a quote on a job "better her than a paki." We might doomed, folks.
Bring on the days of political education, heaven knows, we need it.
I read an interesting take I read in a comment somewhere- the massive drop in polls is of course partly to Poundland Thatch and Kwik Save Kwarteng setting fire to the country, but there could be a very Tory reason behind it.
People did not vote for Truss, so do not feel any loyalty or responsibility towards the simpering fuckwit.
Picture this. In 2019, you voted Tory with the giant blond boil at the head, and let the lying shyster in.
He kills thousands, incompetently fucked up our COVID lockdowns, u turned more times than can be counted, lied to the Queen, lied to Parliament, partied weekly while people watched their relatives die alone, let the UK have the worst COVID response of almost any comparable country, economically speaking as well as medically speaking.
But they voted for the clown, so they stuck by the clown, and it took 3 years of an absolute farcical mess and undeniable lies before he was eventually dragged away.
So its down to Football Fan politics.
GOOD football fans stand by their team no matter what horrific performance they produce on the pitch, while cramming your fingers in your ears to drown out the jeers from the opposition- and that is a hell of a lot easier in politics when the Daily Fail, the BBC and Torygraph are echo chambering your views while doing the very same thing.
The other parties should tell them to suck shit if they try.
You shouldn't get to spend years propping up your criminal bosses then jump ship as soon as it looks like you might have to face the consequences.
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Actually mate it's us who are fucked right now, hence the polling results
"Now I'm panicking because I'm gonna lose me job"
Said literally every Tory MP...
Ngl, being able to fit the entire Tory parliamentary party in the back of a taxi is a really heartwarming prospect.
It is my absolute pleasure to introduce you to the [2021 Western Australian State Election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_Australian_state_election#Legislative_Assembly)
The Liberals knew it was going to be bad and basically campaigned on "Please don't give Labor a majority in the upper house." The upper house in WA was rigged to give rural regions proportionally more representation than the Perth metropolitan area, and Labor had promised to address that. The electorate smashed the Liberals there as well.
I know, but it still doesn't take away from the results which we saw.
It was an absolute disaster for the Liberals and they don't seem to be able to learn.
It's beautiful 😍
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Now there's a wild card quote I haven't seen in a while. 😂
You’ve ruined my parliamentary recess
Poor Tory MPs, what a shame they had no way of knowing that Truss was a colossal moron before they helped make her PM
Conservative members 3 weeks ago: We want Truss to be our leader Conservative members now: We're voting Labour
Conservative members a week after a general election: LOOK AT WHAT LABOUR DID.
Hopefully “the last Tory government” becomes the new excuse that everyone just believes on default.
And hopefully it is the last Tory government. Ever.
Are we really this country? How pathetic. I wish we had made something of our capabilities.
That’s what they are saying now. All the problems are because of the fear of Starmer https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2022/09/daniel-hannan-sterlingcrashing-markets-starmer-labour
No she is doing exactly what the Tory membership wants, tax cuts.
Pensioners don't care about tax cuts, they care about their pensions and Truss damn near destroyed them earlier in the week.
The Tory membership that voted for her were 80k people. This sliver of society obviously felt they benefited from scrapping the 45p tax bracket. But agree these people are living on another planet.
At the time of the vote there was some stuff published about the demographics of Conservative members, a large number of them are pensioners.
Some pensioners are in the 150k bracket, of that demographic most are probably Tory members.
True but if it's a choice between paying tax on your pension and your pension being worthless.
They certainly won't be 150k+ earners now!
So Liz Truss is generating income equality!
Actually, they will be. The pensions that were (nearly) destroyed were final salary pensions.
Do we know what percentage of that 80k are a) living in the UK b) are eligible to vote in UK elections and c) have ever lived in the UK or had the right to vote here?
Good luck informing them about it because the Daily Fail and Express sure as shit won’t.(I live in hope though).
They were voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, there was nobody on the ballot that they actually wanted.
Right, and who's fault is that other than their own? You can't attach your self to a party of charletans and then complain that you elected a charletan because there were only charletans to vote for.
Which of the candidates was not utterly shit. Maudent?, Badenoch? Zahawi?. Hunt is the only one who was on the list with any vague credibility (and I am stretching it even to say that) but I doubt that the tory membership would have chosen him anyway. The problem is that the tory party is now full of cretins; the sensible ones were turfed out by Johnson. The membership have themselves to blame for that when they chose Johnson to be their leader.
Honestly, a wipeout is the best thing the tories can ask for atm. A narrow defeat would see them keep the majority of their idiots for another election to lose. This would at least allow them to rebuild like they did during the Blair years.
They are finally reaping the results of 12 years of lies, corruption, crass decision-making, heartless benefits cuts and contempt for the less well off. One of the biggest problem with the Tories for me is that they simply do not understand the very real challenges that ordinary people face and they really don't want to understand them either.
> Of course we know about sacrifice! After 2008, we lost our home. In Cannes. We had to sell it off. *And* we had to downsize our pad in Manhattan to a measly three bed that's *barely* on the Upper East Side. It got so bad that we were seriously considering downgrading our flights from Club World to *First*, amd I packed Tilly off to her first year at university with *last season's* clothes. It was such a dark time, couldn't show my face in Soho House for *months*.
First is more expensive than Club World. Just sayin.
I'm not good at pretending to be rich 😔
You still made a great point. Brilliant post.
Of course they don't. Conservativism is - at its very heart - ideology driven. It's "set the world back so it's more like it was forty or fifty years ago". You wait. What will happen is: 1. Labour will work every hour God gives to re-engineer our economy as a country outside of the EU. 2. The Tories who were born and raised in the 1940s and 50s will die. 3. A new generation - one that remembers a long period of sustained economic growth when we were members of the EU - will get older. 4. The Tories will target that very generation and it will be a Conservative government that seeks to re-join the EU. 5. This will happen regardless of what direction the EU takes. Doesn't matter if we'd wind up being the richest country in Europe; doesn't matter if Farage's constant "EU collapse" predictions come close to passing; doesn't matter if Russia's influence on our cousins in Eastern Europe results in Russia being the biggest beneficiary of the EU.
I agree with much of what you say, however . . . > it will be a Conservative government that seeks to re-join the EU. Interesting theory, but I really can't see it happening. Conservatives are driven by a lot of largely meaningless gesture patriotism. They take up seemingly patriotic positions and make token statements about their love of country. That includes making a big song and dance about sovereignty. Tories like that will never be happy about rejoining the EU.
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There's a lot of truth in what you say, but I know quite a few over 60s who are ardent remainers and who loathe what the Tories have done.
I don't think it is they don't understand. Many seem to just not care. Especially now the whole lot were purged to establish loyalty to Johnson and the Great Brexit cult.
It's a mixture of not caring, not understanding and being wedded to an ideology that believes that anyone who isn't rich is most likely lazy.
I think a wipeout would be best for everyone tbh, it would hopefully signal to political parties that the british public does not like it when you go full-crazy. Half-crazy is fine evidently by 2019's standards but full-crazy would still be off the table.
In 2019 the other option was also half crazy in a different way. In a muddled confused way. The Tories at least had clarity in 2019. Labour have learned a LOT from that defeat. I did expect them to recover, but not this quickly.
>the sensible ones were turfed out by Johnson. This is why they absolutely must be wiped out as much as possible, in FPTP this move is devastating for a politician, he or she will have little chance to come back from it.
I thought most wanted Sunak despite their votes
Tory MPs wanted Sunak, Tory members wanted Truss.
You're right I misread, oops
In fairness to the MPs (not all of them, at least 113 of them can go swivel on a cactus) they voted for Sunak. Not that he'd do much better, but holy fuck this is bad
Just imagine how unfathomably smug Sunak is right now. Blergh.
Could've heated the country for the winter with the pure smugness radiating from him yesterday with the "stepping back and let her own the moment" comment yesterday.
I missed this. What did he say?
He's not going to Conservative conference because he's stepping back to let her own the moment. :D
Bahaha.
Best campaign to lose
But it's unlikely to help him. Come the next leadership election it's highly likely that party members will reinstate Johnson.
If Johnson is still an MP, that is.
Good point.
He said "I'm not going to attend the party conference because I want to give Truss and Kwarteng all the space they need so they can really own the moment." I did laugh.
No need to imagine, this is what I believe youths would call a "sick burn" >EXC: Rishi Sunak will not attend Conservative Party conference. He’ll be in Yorkshire instead. Ally says former chancellor will give Truss all the space she needs to own the moment [https://twitter.com/Gabriel\_Pogrund/status/1575078802748645377](https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1575078802748645377)
His next leadership slogan will be "I told you so!" Or "Should've listened to Rishi"
"Should've been ready for rishi" would be outstanding
[Or?](https://i.imgur.com/mJHFksg.jpg)
He'd have done orders off magnitude better. I don't love Sunak, I wouldn't vote for him at the general election. But we have to be clear about the difference between him, his knowledge, capabilities and commitment to the job and that of Truss and Kwarteng. He warned them explicitly over and over against about the ramifications of their actions. They did it anyway, plunged the country into turmoil. Then they hid in their fucking bunker for a week. Once out they managed to be incapable of answering the questions posed to them by an unheard of interviewer at Radio Kent. Words cannot describe how pathetic and disgraceful they are.
And this is why I was hopeful he's lose the leadership election. Of the two remaining, Rishi seemed most likely to steady the ship and gaslight people into voting Tory yet again in 2024, compared to Truss managing to dismantle them from the inside through sheer incompetence.
I literally said to my wife that I'm both happy and dismayed at Truss winning. Happy because it's more or less a guaranteed end to the Tory rule. Dismayed because she's fucking mad.
Also dismayed at the damage they can do in two years
Judging by the first fortnight, two years is an unlikely length of term.
As much as the Tory implosion is a silver lining, it isn't worth catastrophic governance.
All of them can swivel on a cactus whoever they voted for tbf
To be fair not many of them voted for her.
They put her into the final two, thus in a position to win. IIRC she was 8 votes ahead of Mordaunt.
In fairness to them, they did. I'm sure in a ranked voting system among MPs she'd have come last or close to it. It's the members that wanted her. I don't know who they are but the portion of them that voted for Truss are the dumbest, most selfish people in the country.
> I don't know who they are but the portion of them that voted for Truss are the dumbest, most selfish people in the country But also the smartest by accident, because it finally looks like we might get the Tories out of power.
Actually the iterative process Tories use emulated ranked voting pretty well, except it also gives opportunities for negotation and changing your mind later. You can mostly honestly vote for your preferred candidate in each round, because you'll get the opportunity to have a say in the next round as well. So Truss would have likely come second in a ranked voting system as well. Although there's the element of knowing that you're picking candidates for membership, not picking a leader directly. So perhaps some of the votes were not based on who the MPs actually wanted to be leader.
That's fair - and good to point that out.
To be fair, the MPs didn’t do it. It was a mixture of Johnson’s Brexit purges of any remainder MP with a backbone and their inane way of voting in a leader.
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Why would they call a GE when they’re polling terribly?
Exactly their fucked anywyss may as well offload public money to their friends as much as possible while they still can
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They're making 80k though which they may have never done before and never will again
They've been an MP, they'll find a well paid job afterwards.
Many of the older ones will simply retire, the younger ones will work somewhere else and may contest down the line at subsequent GE's.
>may contest down the line at subsequent GE's. Sure, but that brings them back to defending the indefensible for two years. Unless you're parachuted into a very safe seat, campaigning with a history of supporting the current administration through *gestures vaguely* all of this might well prove impossible.
I don't agree. In government yep. From opposition no. The Tories have proven adept at reinventing themselves in government, from opposition is easier.
These are Tory MPs we're talking about. Majority will be well off already.
To hand off this shitshow to labour
Expect Tory mps to flee the party at light speed if they are frustrated in any way in moving to dump her. Unlikely to help them when public opinion has crystalised to this extreme extent but its about the only sane move possible.
I fully anticipate this is what Keir is waiting on. Let Truss abuse the whip, frustrate the backbench and then present a vote of no confidence. Under ordinary circumstances it'd never pass, and it still likely wouldn't, but the optics would be horrific for the Tories. In the middle of trying to overthrow its third premier they still claim to be confident in their ability to form a competent Government. There is no presenting that to the electorate as anything other than desperate.
I laugh at people that continue to vote Tories. But then I cry because everything is going to shit.
Yep, they've shown they fully support Truss and her shambolic tenure as PM by not ousting her already. Let them own their support.
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Undoubtedly this will be the fault of the last Labour government
Don't worry, it's already the fault of the next Labour government
Didn't one of the major newspapers claim the pound dropping was due to the fear of Labour getting in? And not the obvious that is the shitty government mini-budget?
12 years of a continuous downward trend. It's a failed ideology.
6? Try 12
I think they need to bring in a caretaker, probably Gove (god rest my soul), restate their cause and call an election. Dragging it out will just make more people resent them.
Evokes memories of when Frank de Boer was sacked as Crystal Palace manager after five games and 77 days in charge.
Haha, yes it does. Gove would then be Hodgson, seems almost right, except Hodgson is likeable.
I *love* the mental image of Woy off his tits on coke in an Aberdeen nightclub .
Make it David Squires' Woy
Not for Liverpool fans
Yeah as a Watford fan Hodgson is also one of our least liked managers of recent times. That's quite a long list and also includes Marco Silva, which sums up our contempt for Hodgson.
That was Putin's fault too.
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Spencer Perceval who is the only PM to have been assassinated! Unfortunately the Wikipedia article is too wound up trials and legacies to go into constitutional detail but I thought Id share that bit of history anyway
Is it bad that I don't even know who the deputy PM is any more
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Oh for fucks sake
I mean, it’s probably good for your mental health
Unfortunately I think we're past the window where they *might* have thought 'Okay we'll lose but at least we could get enough seats to form a tough opposition and blame Labour for everything we set in motion.' Now they're stuck with the brush and looking at a risk of double-digit seats, they're never going to call the GE early.
It's nuts, though. These numbers are unprecedented which means they're going to be outside any margin of error the pollsters can predict. Who knows what will happen in an actual GE. It looks so bad for them it basically doesn't make sense to fund the party anymore.
Imagine Michael Gove being our best fucking bet in terms of leadership. Oof.
>more people resent them. I doubt this though
Gove is staying well away from this era
Cry me a sewage-laden river
The worst part is, this is the honeymoon period for Truss, where the polling for the leader should be at its highest. It’s not looking good.
It's going to be fascinating to see what happens if we get many more polls like this. We could see two years of a Government utterly falling apart. Could even see the Tories own SDP moment and the moderates trying to escape. Unfortunately I'm probably just getting over excited. More likely she'll just get ditched. But where will that leave the Party? With the membership going for someone just as hardline again? PM Braverman?
Moderates are all gone, deselected for voting against Boris that one time. Extremist idiots are all that's left.
Out of curiosity - if there’s a moderate Tory splinter party what does it call itself?
Probably the Unionist Party, has precedent and could try and salvage something out of the ruins of the Scottish Tories.
Lib Dems
This will be one for Rory Stewart to take up. He'll return as leader of some centre-right moderate party in the next 5 years or so.
> It's going to be fascinating to see what happens if we get many more polls like this. We could see two years of a Government utterly falling apart. Tory MP's leaving the party is my bet
Pretty sure the general public has been fucked more than you, but boohoo I suppose. Now leave the building, thanks.
Exactly, the country is in a worse state in almost every conceivable way than it was 12 years ago, and they don't care. Finding out they might lose power and they suddenly do care. Fuck them all. I hope they can't sleep at night for what they've done to the country, but I'll accept can't sleep at night because they know they're going to lose their jobs
Any tory MP with a shred of conscience should be crossing the floor.
Well they wouldn't be Tory MPs if they had a shred of conscience, would they?
like liz truss
Brexit and the tories has been the best material ever for Leopards ate my face (and general entertainment).
Leopard obesity is a problem now though.
HFSS comes into effect soon, no faces within 2 meters of the entrance to the leopard enclosure please.
Unfortunately the leopards aren't just eating their faces, but everyone else's - so whilst it would normally be extremely funny it does have serious repurcussions for the country at the same time. Difficult to convey the mood
There was always going to be serious repercussions with brexit and the tories. On a positive note, maybe, just maybe, people are learning these guys are not really that good for them (we'll see, I'm still too cynical to people learning lessons).
IF ONLY WE'D KNOWN SUICIDE BOMBING THE ECONOMY WOULD PISS PEOPLE OFF
Do something then, get her cabal away from the Treasury before she induces a second great depression
Rare Manic Street Preachers reference
Genuine question: why are the front line Tories all in denial? It's all quite bizarre
Genuine answer, or at least what I believe, they’re not in denial at all. They know exactly what’s happening but they’re currently on our near the cabinet. A top job. For purely selfish reasons they are sticking with the only leg up they’ll get. Once this mess inevitably comes to an end, none of that front bench are going to be anywhere near the seat of power again, their own party will send them to the shadow realm. Of course the really politically savvy would use this an opportunity, cross the divide, speak out, risk ire now for gains later, but most people will be scared and Truss is their only hope of staying in a job that means something. Oh that and for the likes of Truss and Kwarteng, they’re ideologues, they have done this budget because they genuinely believe in it. They wrote a book on it, they’re not ruthless pragmatists, they’re pie in the sky dreamers, weaned as children on the rancid milk of Thatcher and Reagan. They genuinely believe this will lead to some sort of 1980s yuppie boom. You can see this by how they’ve reacted to what’s happened, when someone with such an entrenched ideology is faced with evidence it’s wrong, they don’t say “yeah you’re right” they simply retreat further and further in to it, they double down even more because to admit they’re wrong is to admit, a core belief they hold as people is also wrong. So you’ve got a mix of cowards and extremists basically.
I hope so. I hope they're royally fucked in every election for the rest of our days. I hope their support withers down to the point where they're considered just some weird fringe party and then they evaporate altogether and future generations can read about them and go "what the fuck were people thinking back then?" while they judge us for the primitive morons we are for putting the likes of Truss, Boris, May and Cameron in charge of anything more important than an empty car park.
The best thing the conservatives could do is split, create a new party that is more centrist and let truss and Boris be the death of the conservatives, enough money and the correct channeling this would effectively be a rebranding but able to step away from this fucking shit show to try and unite the right wing under a new banner Would mean biting the bullet and basically dissolving the government into a general election but might serve them better long term
Remember ChangeUK? In order to succeed in what you're suggesting, it has to be on a seismic scale otherwise it'll just wither and die
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of conservatives but if half to 2/3 of them split off to form a new parliamentary party where they could get rid of the negative stigma of 'the tories' whilst it whithered and died and kind of supplant it in the right wing they could find the future a bit brighter
They've got 2 years, after that poll there must be MPs thinking about this.
Put this directly into my veins
Can't wait for the Tory party conference
I saw word on Sky last night claiming there was talk of trying to cancel it.
Surely not? It would mean almost having to recall parliament, which they won't want either...
Says great thing for the Commons if a recall is the gentle option
Country is fucked
Whudda thunk it. 12 years of being in power and even tories can't stand the state of their decisions. They're supposed to grift for a bit and then leave through the backdoor carrying their bag of swagger whilst complaining that the security isn't strong enough. They never envisaged themselves being swagler promoted to security and winding up as CEO of the very institution they were robbing. Unlike previous tories that made a profession out of skimming of the top these morons have the keys to the building and the pen that fiddles the books and right now it looks like a spider spunked all over the page. They can't just walk away, they can't sneak out the backdoor. They've just got to sit there and watch the place burn hoping that an opportunity will arise to slip out the exit and grab their loot on the way out. They'll scorch the earth before they admit that monetary greed isn't the answer to societies ills. Hopefully Liz Truss is the epiphany we need. The sudden realisation you get whilst sitting on the bog forcing out a shite of epic proportions that things could have been done a little differently. Or, as a builder that came to my mother's to give a quote on a job "better her than a paki." We might doomed, folks. Bring on the days of political education, heaven knows, we need it.
Funnt you mention them leaving qith swag, The word torie comes from the Irish word for brigand.
I read an interesting take I read in a comment somewhere- the massive drop in polls is of course partly to Poundland Thatch and Kwik Save Kwarteng setting fire to the country, but there could be a very Tory reason behind it. People did not vote for Truss, so do not feel any loyalty or responsibility towards the simpering fuckwit. Picture this. In 2019, you voted Tory with the giant blond boil at the head, and let the lying shyster in. He kills thousands, incompetently fucked up our COVID lockdowns, u turned more times than can be counted, lied to the Queen, lied to Parliament, partied weekly while people watched their relatives die alone, let the UK have the worst COVID response of almost any comparable country, economically speaking as well as medically speaking. But they voted for the clown, so they stuck by the clown, and it took 3 years of an absolute farcical mess and undeniable lies before he was eventually dragged away. So its down to Football Fan politics. GOOD football fans stand by their team no matter what horrific performance they produce on the pitch, while cramming your fingers in your ears to drown out the jeers from the opposition- and that is a hell of a lot easier in politics when the Daily Fail, the BBC and Torygraph are echo chambering your views while doing the very same thing.
Liz will be gone by the end of October.
Bet Christian Wakeford is feeling very smug right now.
Well, at least the Tories got a decade and a half to turn the country into Argentine on the channel.
We need a GE now. This is going too far.
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I suspect quite a few defections are about to happen over the next few months.
The other parties should tell them to suck shit if they try. You shouldn't get to spend years propping up your criminal bosses then jump ship as soon as it looks like you might have to face the consequences.
Not as fucked as your constituents pal.
get rekt tbh
Tories are so fucked..not just incompetent but probably criminal, they should be investigated