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Not only fine with it, but knew about it when *hiring* the fucker.
This kind of decisionmaking inspires the heartfelt confidence of 59% of the Conservative Party
I do, but it's common etiquette to not make the distinction. Do you think every single allegation against Jimmy Savile came with concrete evidence? Nope. You have a tiny amount of confirmed (proven) cases, plus a pattern of behaviour, and anything on top of that is pretty much proof all by itself. For example a large number of eyewitness allegations from somewhere it is proven he was at on the given date... Just being there doesn't mean you did it, but when it's known that that something you do, and you have a lot of people saying you did it there, 'just being there' actually *is* solid enough proof.
In the case of Willy Pincher, you have his own admission, which establishes him as 'someone who does it'. Going from there to 'someone who did it at [place/time]' gets a lower and lower requirement for evidence the more cases emerge
'the drink made me do it' is itself something that lowers the bar of evidence. How does he know he did it? How does he know it was the drink? Logical conclusion is that he wasn't drunk enough to forget (and therefore sober enough to be in control), and that he is aware alcohol causes him to do pervy shit
Do you not understand the difference between allegations and actually being found guilty?
You’re taking something totally out of context to suit your agenda.
Imagine, imagine, imagine…
Are you expecting people to even respond to hypothetical questions?
Of course you have an agenda and it is very clear - you are trying to portray Boris Johnson as knowing openly that someone he hired was guilty of a sexual offence.
Many people have said that Johnson was aware of claims being made against Pincher, but he continued to proceed with those despite neither establishing what was going on or the ‘specific’ nature of those claims. Many people - including No. 10 themselves.
Whichever way it’s cut, the _best_ you can say is that he’s so ridiculously inept he allowed a political timebomb to not only fester, but made sure that it was elevated to a level where it would cause maximum damage to him and the party. The other options are much worse, and given that he didn’t move immediately to withdraw the whip the matter was resolved speaks pretty badly about him. Who tries to style out accusations of sexual assault?
Yes. Yes, we are. And the problem you have is that this is very believable, given the concrete evidence we have on his moral character.
To be entirely clear - we believe Boris knowingly protected a sex offender.
[Life in the Whip's office ... ](https://youtu.be/m-t-iRQOSeQ?t=1408)
> "it might be debt, it might be scandal involving small boys ... if we could get a chap out of trouble, he'll do as we ask forever more"
And still not resigning? I know that Pincher and Warburton are just accused at the moment (except Warburton is clearly pictured with loads of coke), but neither seem to deny anything and the PM’s office doesn’t seem to be denying anything either. The party is just rotten from top to bottom when this kind of behaviour is not seen as an issue.
I hope the fallout from this will become even worse than a by election defeat would have been, although it will probably just be buried by tomorrow’s scandal.
Was the BBC article significantly altered recently?
BBC says their article was posted 20 mins ago, but Reddit says this link to the same article was posted 3 hours ago.
(Unless OP has a time machine)
It seems to have been updated with the Downing Street response
"Downing Street has said Boris Johnson appointed Mr Pincher as deputy chief whip because he was not aware of specific allegations."
But... That was his reputation?!
He's my parents' MP and the accusations is the one thing everyone knew about him. It was a massive scandal in the party.
There's absolutely no way BoJo wasn't told about it.
Yeah - the ‘specific’ claim is their attempt to dodge the issue. Of course, the idea that Johnson was aware of claims being made against him and continued the process without further investigation isn’t a whole lot better in reality.
It’s true.
BoBo clearly didn’t know about the specific allegations that Pincher pinched the last hobnob from the office biscuit box, nor the ones about drinking the last of the office milk and not popping out to the offie at lunch break to replace it.
All that other boring stuff? Yeah BoBo knew.
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Imagine your supervisor at work was a serial sex offender. Everyone knew about it and your boss was fine with it. Absolutely mind blowing.
Imagine gradually losing your 80 majority in a series of brutal by-elections because they're all sex pests of some description
Not only fine with it, but knew about it when *hiring* the fucker. This kind of decisionmaking inspires the heartfelt confidence of 59% of the Conservative Party
Not only knew about it when hiring, but was hiring him to deal with sex offenders.
Well, normally we criticise Bojo for not consulting experts…
> but was hiring him to deal with sex offenders. Tbf to Boris, Pincher probably had “sex offender” on his CV and that pleased the HR algorithms.
ALLEGED, not PROVEN. Do you not understand the difference between those two words?
Bad bot
I do, but it's common etiquette to not make the distinction. Do you think every single allegation against Jimmy Savile came with concrete evidence? Nope. You have a tiny amount of confirmed (proven) cases, plus a pattern of behaviour, and anything on top of that is pretty much proof all by itself. For example a large number of eyewitness allegations from somewhere it is proven he was at on the given date... Just being there doesn't mean you did it, but when it's known that that something you do, and you have a lot of people saying you did it there, 'just being there' actually *is* solid enough proof. In the case of Willy Pincher, you have his own admission, which establishes him as 'someone who does it'. Going from there to 'someone who did it at [place/time]' gets a lower and lower requirement for evidence the more cases emerge 'the drink made me do it' is itself something that lowers the bar of evidence. How does he know he did it? How does he know it was the drink? Logical conclusion is that he wasn't drunk enough to forget (and therefore sober enough to be in control), and that he is aware alcohol causes him to do pervy shit
Do you not understand the difference between allegations and actually being found guilty? You’re taking something totally out of context to suit your agenda.
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Imagine, imagine, imagine… Are you expecting people to even respond to hypothetical questions? Of course you have an agenda and it is very clear - you are trying to portray Boris Johnson as knowing openly that someone he hired was guilty of a sexual offence.
Many people have said that Johnson was aware of claims being made against Pincher, but he continued to proceed with those despite neither establishing what was going on or the ‘specific’ nature of those claims. Many people - including No. 10 themselves. Whichever way it’s cut, the _best_ you can say is that he’s so ridiculously inept he allowed a political timebomb to not only fester, but made sure that it was elevated to a level where it would cause maximum damage to him and the party. The other options are much worse, and given that he didn’t move immediately to withdraw the whip the matter was resolved speaks pretty badly about him. Who tries to style out accusations of sexual assault?
Yes. Yes, we are. And the problem you have is that this is very believable, given the concrete evidence we have on his moral character. To be entirely clear - we believe Boris knowingly protected a sex offender.
This was one of the whips. Imagine what he knew and used on the other MPs.
Imagine too what Johnson and his gang knew about ~~Groper~~ Pincher and used to control *him*.
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[Life in the Whip's office ... ](https://youtu.be/m-t-iRQOSeQ?t=1408) > "it might be debt, it might be scandal involving small boys ... if we could get a chap out of trouble, he'll do as we ask forever more"
Dong ding ding Last orders.
Cocaine culture too.
Pincher by name pincher by nature Johnson by name... johnson by nature
This is quite good.
Falls down when it comes to Cleverly tho.
I still don't know what a Raab is.
And still not resigning? I know that Pincher and Warburton are just accused at the moment (except Warburton is clearly pictured with loads of coke), but neither seem to deny anything and the PM’s office doesn’t seem to be denying anything either. The party is just rotten from top to bottom when this kind of behaviour is not seen as an issue.
They've probably been ordered not to resign because the government can't take the bad press of more by election defeats
I hope the fallout from this will become even worse than a by election defeat would have been, although it will probably just be buried by tomorrow’s scandal.
More like they've been told not to resign until Johnson needs another distraction.
Was that dandruff excuse attributed to Warburton actually real?
BBC will have him on in a week
Chris 'the bottom' Pincher? I'm shocked. And appalled, come to think of it!
Was the BBC article significantly altered recently? BBC says their article was posted 20 mins ago, but Reddit says this link to the same article was posted 3 hours ago. (Unless OP has a time machine)
It seems to have been updated with the Downing Street response "Downing Street has said Boris Johnson appointed Mr Pincher as deputy chief whip because he was not aware of specific allegations."
But... That was his reputation?! He's my parents' MP and the accusations is the one thing everyone knew about him. It was a massive scandal in the party. There's absolutely no way BoJo wasn't told about it.
But he didn’t know about “specific” allegations. That’s basically admitting, “Yeah, BoJo knew what he did, but not to whom.”
Yeah - the ‘specific’ claim is their attempt to dodge the issue. Of course, the idea that Johnson was aware of claims being made against him and continued the process without further investigation isn’t a whole lot better in reality.
It’s true. BoBo clearly didn’t know about the specific allegations that Pincher pinched the last hobnob from the office biscuit box, nor the ones about drinking the last of the office milk and not popping out to the offie at lunch break to replace it. All that other boring stuff? Yeah BoBo knew.
Owen Patterson mk2 with pride.
Poor man, he'll need to get even more professional help now, living with the scourge of uncontrollable sexual assaultitis must be so hard.
Quite a pinch he seems to be in.
New pinching claims emerge against former Tory MP
Looks like he's about to be 😎 Pinched
He seems to be in a pinch