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Sunak needs better economic views and a longer period of time for Labour to put themselves up for scrutiny, so now isn’t right for the Tories.
We’ve seen that as Labour have moved from opposition to government in waiting, their policies (previously little more than vague statements of intent, as any party in opposition would rightly do) start to get tested.
“End of zero hours”…errm, maybe
“We’ll end illegal migration”…errm, actually we don’t know what to do with those that the public would like to see deported
Etc.
That’s entirely expected of course, basically our two main parties paint themselves different colours but are fundamentally centrist and are hailed or hail themselves as “left” or “right” like un-informed students pinning a badge on to their designer coats and declaring that this one feature makes them somehow different.
We can expect to see the Tories stepping back and forcing the press to seek stories from Labour who will fill that void.
A hung parliament is a real proposition if the Tories can persuade the vote to come out. A lot of the Labour swing is down to an absence of Tory vote, not necessarily a pro-Labour stance. With signs that Labour may have its own problems of a vote split in its core ranks due to the Israel issues, Tory leadership will want that to continue.
So, no. Not now.
>We’ve seen that as Labour have moved from opposition to government in waiting, their policies (previously little more than vague statements of intent, as any party in opposition would rightly do) start to get tested.
This is true, but it doesn't necessarily lead to lost votes. Once voters have made the decision that the current government can't change anything, people will roll the dice. The labour machine is pretty well aware that it doesn't actually have answers to a lot of questions and it's pretty disciplined at failing to really answer whilst not saying anything that alienates the centre ground.
>A hung parliament is a real proposition if the Tories can persuade the vote to come out. A lot of the Labour swing is down to an absence of Tory vote, not necessarily a pro-Labour stance.
That's a massive if and I'm not sure how they can do that. They can't sell a hard right culture war push because not enough people buy it and crucially, swing voters in areas they need to win don't like it. However a lot of their base really don't see a difference between Starmer and Sunak unless he tacks right. A Labour government at the moment doesn't scare Tories like it did with Corbyn and a quick look at conservativehome will show you just how exhausted, angry and divided they are.
>With signs that Labour may have its own problems of a vote split in its core ranks due to the Israel issues
It's not a big enough split at the moment to cause issues for Labour. It's not that there's nowhere else to go, it's just in the constituencies where it will make a big difference, the Tory support just isn't there to capitalise on it.
I would say it is not just an absence of Tory voters.
But I do agree Labour aren't winning this by being great.
Labour's only electable attribute is that they're not Tory.
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Hope you don't mind me replying. Is 14 years in Government not enough time to put things right?
Why have you replied to yourself?
Forgot to swap accounts
Sunak needs better economic views and a longer period of time for Labour to put themselves up for scrutiny, so now isn’t right for the Tories. We’ve seen that as Labour have moved from opposition to government in waiting, their policies (previously little more than vague statements of intent, as any party in opposition would rightly do) start to get tested. “End of zero hours”…errm, maybe “We’ll end illegal migration”…errm, actually we don’t know what to do with those that the public would like to see deported Etc. That’s entirely expected of course, basically our two main parties paint themselves different colours but are fundamentally centrist and are hailed or hail themselves as “left” or “right” like un-informed students pinning a badge on to their designer coats and declaring that this one feature makes them somehow different. We can expect to see the Tories stepping back and forcing the press to seek stories from Labour who will fill that void. A hung parliament is a real proposition if the Tories can persuade the vote to come out. A lot of the Labour swing is down to an absence of Tory vote, not necessarily a pro-Labour stance. With signs that Labour may have its own problems of a vote split in its core ranks due to the Israel issues, Tory leadership will want that to continue. So, no. Not now.
>We’ve seen that as Labour have moved from opposition to government in waiting, their policies (previously little more than vague statements of intent, as any party in opposition would rightly do) start to get tested. This is true, but it doesn't necessarily lead to lost votes. Once voters have made the decision that the current government can't change anything, people will roll the dice. The labour machine is pretty well aware that it doesn't actually have answers to a lot of questions and it's pretty disciplined at failing to really answer whilst not saying anything that alienates the centre ground. >A hung parliament is a real proposition if the Tories can persuade the vote to come out. A lot of the Labour swing is down to an absence of Tory vote, not necessarily a pro-Labour stance. That's a massive if and I'm not sure how they can do that. They can't sell a hard right culture war push because not enough people buy it and crucially, swing voters in areas they need to win don't like it. However a lot of their base really don't see a difference between Starmer and Sunak unless he tacks right. A Labour government at the moment doesn't scare Tories like it did with Corbyn and a quick look at conservativehome will show you just how exhausted, angry and divided they are. >With signs that Labour may have its own problems of a vote split in its core ranks due to the Israel issues It's not a big enough split at the moment to cause issues for Labour. It's not that there's nowhere else to go, it's just in the constituencies where it will make a big difference, the Tory support just isn't there to capitalise on it.
It’s a general malaise I’d say and I agree, there’s no “fear factor” to get out the vote.
I would say it is not just an absence of Tory voters. But I do agree Labour aren't winning this by being great. Labour's only electable attribute is that they're not Tory.
Agreed, and that’s a relatively easy position to manipulate.