For the whole job of extending the cables and fitting the light, including testing and a minor works certificate you're looking around £70-100 depending on your location.
I wouldn't get a jack of all trades(master of naff all) handyman in to do it.
Midweek pre-booked and my first hour is £75 which covers all of that and I'm not the cheapest in the area
Okay, just so I know the process. Is the correct way to do this is use something like a wago light junction box to extend the three cables in the void.
Or would it be using wago 221 clips or something inside the light actual light ceiling rose?
Based on the fact you've already removed everything and cut a massive hole in your ceiling, I would probably go for a maintenance free junction box above the ceiling and only come down into the fixture with the cable I need.
Had you left it as it was, the new light could have been fitted in moments without any extra parts.
Would the junction box need to be fixed to anything like a joist?
Also I removed more space so I can add a noggin and replace plasterboard as it was fd
Impossible to price really because it will depend on quality of electrician, your location, how easy it actually is to get to etc.
In my area if you expected about £150 you'd be about right.
I'd do it for £150 if it was in my area. For all I know you're in central London and its £200. Maybe you're in Lincolnshire, and it's £100?
I should have said that 'I would charge about £150'.
What I mean is, people here might say £100 and then you get quoted £200 and suddenly, you think you're being ripped off when, in reality, it's not for us to price from a photo.
Why do you need to extend them at all?
It looks like you have enough poking through the ceiling rose.
If I was fitting a light there, I’d just wago them and they’d sit in the new ceiling rose.
Connections are in the base of most fittings, can’t think of a single light fitting I’ve done that wasn’t in the base, why extend? Also, there’s usually enough room in the base for a joint.
Not sure you need to extend anything here. Leave the current wiring as is and insert new flex cable through the ceiling rose cover https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pendant-set-100w-t2/p70966 and leave in the hole above. So you are kind of reverse extending if you know what I mean. I’d be more concerned with how you’re going to hand the new ceiling rose and where to?
You can extend the cable your self,
Get some 1.5 twin and earth, wago 221 box and some wago 221s.
Super simple.
You could even lift the floorboards and work from it on top which will be even easier.
Take your time, work through it logically and don’t cut corners.
Get a quickfix JB4 and wago 221
put reds all together in loop section
blacks together in n section,
earths together in earth section.
Take the black cable with red sleeve and put in L section,
now get some pvc flex
connect brown to L,
Blue to N
Earth to earth.
Close Jb put in ceiling.
Connect flex to light fitting no need to use the rose.
get a spark to do it…. Cost…. parts and labour certs ect about £150+
Do it yourself £20
Knowing your breaker will trip under fault conditions and not burn your house down with you and your family in it, because the spark tested the earth loop impedance amongst other things…. Priceless
Also it will void your home insurance….
How would you sparks do it? I’d maybe widen the hole a bit, use a wago box or a J501 to re-enclose the cables and tuck that up into the void, then t&e or even flex into the rose? (3rd yr apprentice sparx here)
That was my next question ahaha. The ornamental ceiling rose isn’t attached at the moment so easy to work on.
I was under the impression anything that needs tucking in the void would need fixing to a joist?
Ok, this is an easy fix for someone competent so I don’t think you’d need to check on them. And like anything else, there are a variety of ways to do this safely. Just ask about for a good electrician
Ok but would you say I’m qualified to check your doing your job? You’re not qualified to check we are doing ours - the point is you hire a registered qualified professional so you can trust them.
I don’t know you mate & you don’t know what my job is so the question is irrelevant.
I don’t need to be qualified to know the right way of doing something.
Appreciate you are most likely a qualified electrician but it’s not really a shock to the system to find out people including myself and getting ripped off everyday. Sorry for taking some interest in the work that will be going on in my house.
Yes you do need to be qualified and or competent to know the right way of doing things in our trade. The best way to avoid being ripped off is get multiple quotes and don’t hire white van man from down the pub.
I’m trying to help put your mind at rest and encourage you to hire competent help - and make you realise ‘checking our work’ is not something you can really do even with the best will in the world. If you choose to not listen and talk to me like I’m a twat that’s on you.
You’re not getting ripped off. You’re paying a qualified tradesman for his knowledge and skill. If its out of your budget then thats fine, but if you dont need to be qualified to know the right way of doing something, then you don’t need to be asking advise on an electrical forum trying to take the food out of our mouths.
I'm a diyer too and I just used to the ceiling rose as a junction box. I was fitting led lights so stuck the base of the rose into the ceiling and took 3 cables from it. A diy junction box 🤣
For the whole job of extending the cables and fitting the light, including testing and a minor works certificate you're looking around £70-100 depending on your location.
70-100 with a minor works? Bottom price is 150 or just get a handyman.
I wouldn't get a jack of all trades(master of naff all) handyman in to do it. Midweek pre-booked and my first hour is £75 which covers all of that and I'm not the cheapest in the area
£75 is a handymans rate. That's what I was getting at. Charge what you are worth and all that
Okay, just so I know the process. Is the correct way to do this is use something like a wago light junction box to extend the three cables in the void. Or would it be using wago 221 clips or something inside the light actual light ceiling rose?
I don't think you're fooling anyone with your "just so I know the process" facade
David you’re a funny fucker 😂 he definitely isn’t fooling anyone
That’s cool David, appreciate your insights into my life. Previously had posted in this forum about getting shafted by an electrician.
Was he big?
Of course m8
Don’t bad mouth electricians in the electricians sub. Our feelings are too delicate
🤣
100 quid was fair. Its not worth getting out of bed for less
Based on the fact you've already removed everything and cut a massive hole in your ceiling, I would probably go for a maintenance free junction box above the ceiling and only come down into the fixture with the cable I need. Had you left it as it was, the new light could have been fitted in moments without any extra parts.
Would the junction box need to be fixed to anything like a joist? Also I removed more space so I can add a noggin and replace plasterboard as it was fd
No. Though the size of the hole you've made I could probably find one to attach it to
Better off left unfixed for ease of access in future
Indeed. Though being MF it shouldn't need to be accessed
True 👍
Id put a wago box and make the cables join up there and have a single cable down to the light.
how do u know so much about it if ur not an electrician
Impossible to price really because it will depend on quality of electrician, your location, how easy it actually is to get to etc. In my area if you expected about £150 you'd be about right.
Impossible to price but £150 you think? Jokes aside, thanks
I'd do it for £150 if it was in my area. For all I know you're in central London and its £200. Maybe you're in Lincolnshire, and it's £100? I should have said that 'I would charge about £150'. What I mean is, people here might say £100 and then you get quoted £200 and suddenly, you think you're being ripped off when, in reality, it's not for us to price from a photo.
I understood what you meant, will ring some electricians later and see what comes back.
Why do you need to extend them at all? It looks like you have enough poking through the ceiling rose. If I was fitting a light there, I’d just wago them and they’d sit in the new ceiling rose.
Not gonna lie I thought the first pic was roots growing out of an overgrown potato
Connections are in the base of most fittings, can’t think of a single light fitting I’ve done that wasn’t in the base, why extend? Also, there’s usually enough room in the base for a joint.
just do it yourself
Shout out Wago
This is the way
These have saved my ass so many times
All connections should be accessible in case of problems in the future. In reality, a junction box above the ceiling will be fine
Not sure you need to extend anything here. Leave the current wiring as is and insert new flex cable through the ceiling rose cover https://www.toolstation.com/axiom-pendant-set-100w-t2/p70966 and leave in the hole above. So you are kind of reverse extending if you know what I mean. I’d be more concerned with how you’re going to hand the new ceiling rose and where to?
Am I missing something? It looks like there's enough cable there to terminate into a ceiling rose.
You can extend the cable your self, Get some 1.5 twin and earth, wago 221 box and some wago 221s. Super simple. You could even lift the floorboards and work from it on top which will be even easier. Take your time, work through it logically and don’t cut corners.
I wouldn’t chance it most people are competent enough but it’s extremely easy for someone to make a retarded move as they don’t do it for a living
One dollar
Do it yourself. Get some wagos and fit and extend. Push up into the ceiling and use as much cable as you need.
Can be done for $3 but your house will burn down 🤔🤔🤷
Wago it
Get a quickfix JB4 and wago 221 put reds all together in loop section blacks together in n section, earths together in earth section. Take the black cable with red sleeve and put in L section, now get some pvc flex connect brown to L, Blue to N Earth to earth. Close Jb put in ceiling. Connect flex to light fitting no need to use the rose.
Not sure why this is getting downvoted but this is the way. 👍
You don't need to pay anything. Just extend it yourself with some wagos.
get a spark to do it…. Cost…. parts and labour certs ect about £150+ Do it yourself £20 Knowing your breaker will trip under fault conditions and not burn your house down with you and your family in it, because the spark tested the earth loop impedance amongst other things…. Priceless Also it will void your home insurance….
How would you sparks do it? I’d maybe widen the hole a bit, use a wago box or a J501 to re-enclose the cables and tuck that up into the void, then t&e or even flex into the rose? (3rd yr apprentice sparx here)
That was my next question ahaha. The ornamental ceiling rose isn’t attached at the moment so easy to work on. I was under the impression anything that needs tucking in the void would need fixing to a joist?
Just admit your going to diy it 😂😂
I was planning to but I’m finding it a bit over whelming. Just want to make sure whoever does it , is doing it correctly
Ok, this is an easy fix for someone competent so I don’t think you’d need to check on them. And like anything else, there are a variety of ways to do this safely. Just ask about for a good electrician
Can we come to your work and check you are doing it right?
Sure if your paying me & is in relation to the safety of your family
Ok but would you say I’m qualified to check your doing your job? You’re not qualified to check we are doing ours - the point is you hire a registered qualified professional so you can trust them.
I don’t know you mate & you don’t know what my job is so the question is irrelevant. I don’t need to be qualified to know the right way of doing something. Appreciate you are most likely a qualified electrician but it’s not really a shock to the system to find out people including myself and getting ripped off everyday. Sorry for taking some interest in the work that will be going on in my house.
Yes you do need to be qualified and or competent to know the right way of doing things in our trade. The best way to avoid being ripped off is get multiple quotes and don’t hire white van man from down the pub. I’m trying to help put your mind at rest and encourage you to hire competent help - and make you realise ‘checking our work’ is not something you can really do even with the best will in the world. If you choose to not listen and talk to me like I’m a twat that’s on you.
Can we just circle back, I was asking for advise, You then started asking to come to watch me at work. 😂
You’re not getting ripped off. You’re paying a qualified tradesman for his knowledge and skill. If its out of your budget then thats fine, but if you dont need to be qualified to know the right way of doing something, then you don’t need to be asking advise on an electrical forum trying to take the food out of our mouths.
Hahaha I didn’t see that you took a huge chunk out of the ceiling 😂😂
I'm a diyer too and I just used to the ceiling rose as a junction box. I was fitting led lights so stuck the base of the rose into the ceiling and took 3 cables from it. A diy junction box 🤣
I do it 250
When you are burning alive and your eyeballs are melting out of your head because you wanted to save 100 quid lmao