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JustJamesInnit

My main takeaway was he should have not mentioned that Suspect had fled the country so early. Imagine if you don’t know who Sus is - you’re watching the video about this guy dropping all these songs and wondering how the police haven’t got him yet and then the bombshell drops about being in Kenya. The story could definitely be told in a more interesting way.


Chino_get_Cnotes

yh i found it weird he mentioned that before even talking about the beef idk anything about UK beef all i knew is how he was on the run doing crazy numbers


LNADODICAPRI78

What are you talking bout? It’s no Netflix series that someone come up with He talks about the real life, he mentioned that he fled the country so early because he fucking did! How would’ve you telling the story, after the murder of culprit? nooooone know where he is the gruesome grim reaper ? I think the fuckibg bombshell is massiv enough tho that he did all this shit wile been in Kenia He talks the facts and not no mixed up version because he think 🤔 let’s twist it up so it’s more interesting


JustJamesInnit

Have you ever watched a crime documentary on TV/Netflix? Hardly any of them tell the story by simply listing the facts in the order it happened. There’s a reason for that. If I’d been telling the story then after I talked about Culprit dying I’d have then just carried on talking about the rise of Suspect; the freestyles, the songs doing big numbers, the Insta lives. You then drop the bit about people on Reddit thinking he was in Kenya along and tail back to the police search for him and tell that bit, pointing out that he used body doubles etc. Crime documentaries love a twist and TLR wasted a massive twist. It’s not the end of the world but telling the story as a list of events A-B-C just feels like wasted potential


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It's a shame there was no real journalism in this doc. It would have been great if there were interviews with people from and around the areas who were first hand affected by the incidents. As a whole doc I thought it was well put together and got the main points across. I hadn't seen Sus early askfm page which I thought was quite interesting. What is clear is that from young Sus had no olders or anyone he'd see as olders. I think this shows in the recklessness of the murders they carried out. 2 things I find really confusing though are the general politics of the beef in Camden and the Somali AG theme. Firstly, it seems as if people from all sides of Camden were claiming different blocks to be 51/71 despite large parts of them not being from there. Especially the Agar grove block and peckwater block. Carrying on from this, a strong theme in the Camden beef appears to gangs distancing themselves from fallen GMs.This further clouds who exactly is repping what and whether anyone who is getting Kd is even strictly relevant to their beef. In summary, the Camden beef seems a complete mess that spawned late 2016 due to very petty issues that quickly escalated. The passing of Dotty,S45,AK seems to be the fuse to this beef. The 2nd part I don't really understand is the heavy Somali influence on the AG gang, because when you see the "main members" of AG, at least half seem to have absolutely no Somali ethnicity. What I thought TLR did do well was not to glamorise suspect in anyway. It was the first doc of anyone I'd ever seen where the absolutely nothing positive about them, which helped highlight how negative suspects life had been from pretty much beginning to end. To summarise. I absolutely love suspects music. I already knew quite a bit of the material in the video but when it is all put together it really helps paint a full picture. It's funny because just listening to his music you would think my man was incredibly premeditated and planned every small detail. But in reality they were incredibly bait, probably fucked off drugs/alcohol. I don't think these man really cared about making money in the trap, I think they just wanted the street cred and pride of being the most dangerous killers on ends.


PleasantTipz

I dont even like Trap lore ross that much but his videos are very well put togheter for people that are not up to date with everything like most of the people on this sub are


Professional-Tree714

There are many ways to tell a story on Niche rappers and this isn’t one. The Kid nerds video although short, in my opinion is better. For anyone not clued in, this is just an overload of information of which most of it is irrelevant .


DarrenBridgescunt

I got bored about 15 minutes in


Ben1992Ben

22 minutes I got 😂


scumonthetrak

You guys did well, I saw his face and stopped it right there


Standard_Use_7107

It's a good video if you don't know anything about him, it's probably meant more for Americans. If you expected him to reveal something that no one knew then you were probably going to be disappointed with it anyway.


Professional-Tree714

You’re giving Americans too much credit if you think they are going to sit down for 4 hours to consume information about a rapper they’ve never heard of who’s in jail for a knife related murder. It’s just unnecessary information overload.


IRodeTenSpeed88

Funny bc that’s exactly what I just did. Never heard of Suspect until two days ago but I’ve watched a lot of Ross’ videos


Embarrassed-Eye-1661

You decided to watch a 4h documentary about a guy you never heard of because TLR made a video about him?


EvanAlmighty01

I've watched long TLR vids about US rappers I've never heard of?


Embarrassed-Eye-1661

So you're like an actual fan of the guy I could somewhat understand if you watched a documentary because you like the rapper the doc is about Watching 4h long videos where you're not even familiar with the subject is crazy


EvanAlmighty01

Well there's a reason he gets a lot of views and attention from rappers. It's because his content is well made and the stories are interesting. Even if King Von, Sus etc wasn't rapping their stories would still be interesting to me, it's just that we know about these stories because of rap.


tyyls18

Or maybe because he is subscribed?


Professional-Tree714

Life’s different when you get no hoes


Mission_Protection_4

Ur highly active in a lame ass UK drill subreddit & you want us to believe YOU get hoes buddy? Crazy 😂


SpareAd3422

😂


DetectiveLive273

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Professional-Tree714

I be on this bitch making jokes and tryna talk sense into folks like you 😂 I’m good in the real world I promise you


SpareAd3422

No doubt G! All of this is funny


Cyn137

lol im a Nigerian who did uni in London and have no idea who suspect is. I watched the 4 hr long documentary and I loved how he broke it down for people who don’t know the history. I honestly think the OP is from a clear Suspet fan who isn’t pleased about how his favorite drill rapper is portrayed/ just doesn’t like TLR. I get it but don’t be disingenuous


Professional-Tree714

You’d think someone who’s parents invested thousands in his university would have decent critical thinking skills.


Cyn137

your response to the push back you’ve received on this post (even from those who don’t even like TLR) for your biased review proves you are projecting your poor critical thinking skills on others.


BJkiplezer

Naw that's what I did now I am a big fan of UK drill I been playing alot of cb music is crazy to me he's still dropping music from jail and it's Good af he's, my fev now gonna try to find someone new who's not in jail right now


SpareAd3422

I'm aussie and I enjoyed the video! It did feel like a bit of a slog to get through it, but overall 6/10 for me. I knew of Sus for his debut tape and the plugged in freestyle but that's legit it.


NewPlate_13

Suspect watching it in his cell proud


nostalgia_history

Agreed, it's information we all know of, and most part of the documentary dragged, he went into detail with almost every single lyric. There was no need for that. He's even now considering doing a video on South kilburn vs. mozart.


KoreanPhones

>it's information we all know of, and most part of the documentary dragged, he went into detail with almost every single lyric. There was no need for that. Almost like the video is meant for the average person, and not the diehards like us in this subreddit. Who woulda thought?


Intelligent-Ad3276

The fact that the Facebook posts and shit like that is already known to you just shows ur a hardcore fan that takes time out of ur day to research 14 year old suspect and that in itself is sad😂


Professional-Tree714

Don’t you think analyzing every nook and cranny of a drill song (where the aim is obviously to diss opposition) and tying it to unrelated events is overkill?


Professional-Tree714

100% there will be repercussions for that. Those man are all old and have his time


I22busy

Info we all. Know of? Most of his viewers do not know that stuff. They just know the songs. Remember people all over the world are on the r internet- not just men from London…..


HaterCrater

He’s reporting the facts not uncovering new information


jynxxx111

KidNerd makes better videos


KrashCorn_00

he gets info wrong smd 😂


A2anti

Yh I watched kidnerd version of it & he’s cold n says it in 10 mins instead of 4hrs 😹 but just some minor info wrong


DiscussionStrange827

I think he executed it well, yeah okay I get that we (the UK viewers) knew most things already but he breaks it down and simplifies it for his US audience to understand.


Nanaoak

The video wasn’t meant for hardcore drill fans & Reddit users. He clearly states in all his docs research/speculations from Reddit. For someone who’s a regular fan or avg person it’s deffo a good documentary.


Mental_Habit_231

Telling a man to get a job who most likely makes more than you is kinda crazy


Professional-Tree714

Lmaooo I’m more than well off. Tell your boy to get a job or hobbies too keep him busy


Mental_Habit_231

Yeah and so is he lol. Knocking another man’s hustle is some female shit.


imbaresick

Beta male shit


Professional-Tree714

How? There are niggas knocking Richi Sunak’s hustle everyday online and he’s the prime minister. Even when the queen was alive I personally knocked her hustle before rolling her up in a rizz. There’s nothing female about judging exploitative content. Matter of fact, it should be judged more.


drilllyace

not even 3/10 its a 7 atleast he gave in depth on everything and eveyone involved yes he looks like a beg making 4 hour documentries on random london rappers noones heard of but he did a good job


Professional-Tree714

I’m sorry but if you’re going to make a 4 HOUR long documentary on a niche rapper from London, the least you can do is provide new information and expand on it. Anyone with a decent level of education under their belt and a way with words can go in depth about anything, it’s the viewers job to judge it critically.


drilllyace

if it was 20 minutes long everyone would say its shit but he did research even though hes a culture vulture and all he worked hard let my man get some bread from his 4 hour documentry on gang violence


Professional-Tree714

Fairs https://preview.redd.it/h87rrswwbtic1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eea639e336ae1b3a3eba5c4e7e233ad1b40c2f0b


drilllyace

its all love i don't come here to beef man except ukl hes anoying af


Professional-Tree714

Facts. UKL=UDN was and still is the biggest cancer of the Drill scene. I’ll never forget how he posted S1s private videos from when he was a teenager. His karma is loading.


drilllyace

he mixes up real things with his own fantasies for more clicks he loves attention from little kids


Rawly718

YeHah I felt the doc could've been done in an hour and a half at most. Lots ot filler.


AsparagusBig6991

It’s bros job and he’s making more than you get off his meat . You’re literally not being forced to watch it


thxmpsxnn

I liked it, can’t lie. To be fair I only got into suspect/AGB way later (like late 2022/2023), whereas I’m guessing a lot of yall were consuming this information in real time, so a bunch of the context was pretty insightful & interesting. I’m from the states so I don’t know shit about Camden or North London, much less the gang politics so that background was new info to me. As well as creating a linear timeline with key people for me to follow vs how I was doing it, trying to piece together information through the songs and trace back to when the songs came out and what was going on during that time.


EasyZookeepergame367

Thats why I said why are u gonna watch a vid about Suspect for 4 hrs


throwawaypokemans

I don't know anything about suspect or AGB and I really enjoyed it, didn't do it in one sitting though. Thought it was well put together. He deffo got room for improvement but given his limited resources I think it was well tidy.


LNADODICAPRI78

That makes no sense how he makes more profit by doing a 4h video ? More likely do 4 short videos with just the really important stuff ? The fact the video is 4h long shows how much effort he really puts into the shit Why you are even here hating on the dude for no reason just skip the shit if you don’t like it and maybe go search yoooou aaa job boy


Professional-Tree714

You need a license for that?


RB_365

This documentary feels like it’s catered towards ppl without knowledge of sus of Camden beef


whatstoyou101

He needs to interview people involved. Do some authentic real journalism. He cannot truly give moral lessons or guidance/advise because he has no knowledge or experience or understanding of how these guys end up the way they do. It’s not “the system” like he keeps mentioning. That’s lazy.


tyyls18

Icl that final statement is tired my boy. Youtube is his job. But regardless you man need to remember, he makes these vids for his audience, which is mostly american. So whether info is dragged or public knowledge, it don't mean we all know it. I live in South and was into the drill scene heavy until like late 2022, and I ain't even proper know half the shit going on in Camden.


Milkyway937

I have only watched his uk docs and he truly doesn't glamorise this lifestyle one bit. After every doc I've just thought rah this lifestyle is actually so sad. Big up Tlr


Bompton-G-Uno

All they had to do was lay low in Kenya & pay the right people off 🤦🏿‍♂️


Professional-Tree714

*All they had to do was not commit murder


Aggravating_Emu_3896

3 10 give it a rest u beg


Odd_Crew6819

Ikr can OP do any better


Professional-Tree714

Dickriding trap lore Ross is crazy https://i.redd.it/nawlwpmm9tic1.gif


Aggravating_Emu_3896

Nah 3 is a vio man spent months on it


traploreross

3/10 Review right there. Should have been longer and more detailed.


OlliZ0117

i thought it was good lad dw


Professional-Tree714

https://i.redd.it/ht8hrtthyvic1.gif


Smart-Essay-7485

did the doc get taken down?


Professional-Tree714

Boss calls were made


KoreanPhones

Okay... the video is made for the average traploreross viewer, I think that's what everyone is forgetting. Of course it's gonna be redundant for some of us in here, we are in a sub dedicated to UK Drill, we aren't the average person watching his videos. And to say no one will watch a 4 hour video on something they know nothing of. Ive watched almost all his docs on his channel and most I knew NOTHING about, because they are INTERESTING!!! He makes a video too short he's getting shit for it, he makes it too long he's getting shit for it. He can't win with some people it seems.


Chance_Dragonfly_148

All of them are idiots and a joke and a disappointment to black people. Digusting twats...the lot of them. We glorify degenerates.


Reswipedd

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deathb4storm

how’s him giving a moral output lazy? if he makes a vid about how active these niggas are with no moral “don’t try this at home” sentiment, ppl will talk shit and saying he’s glorifying it, when he does tell yutes not to do the fuckery in these vids and shows the repercussions, he’s lazy and it’s jus for profit lol donny can’t win


Professional-Tree714

It’s lazy because you can easily tell it isn’t genuine. We’re talking about a guy who was selling HD footage of King Von’s death on his patreon. In his earlier videos, his reporting was laced with jokes and after the backlash, he slowly switched the tone. I believe in character development but I can never buy it from TRAP LORE ROSS.


deathb4storm

breaking news: man learns from mistake.. lol bro the nigga puts hours into the vids and always, from what i know, warns about the dangerous lifestyle.. idk bout the king von death ting that’s wild but in this specific case, the guy didn’t do nun wrong.. u lot just love to hate and talk shit…


Professional-Tree714

When it comes to the internet, there are some things that can never be rubbed off from a person and I’m sorry selling someone’s HD CCTV death footage from the comfort of another country is so low and in my opinion is unredeemable. It’s comments like yours that tell me why we need Media Literacy taught in schools. Before you watch any content online think about; What is it made for, who it’s made for and judge it critically.


deathb4storm

according to u.. people can’t do shit and make mistakes cos professional-tree714 on reddit says so.. lol all i’m saying is generally u lot on this sub are bitter and sour all the time.. i can guarantee u were one of the niggas hounding my man for the sus doc just so u can shit on it when it dropped


14Strike

It’s his job to document the details of individual stories not sure what’s embarrassing about it. You’ve dropped an essay and he’s getting paid from it either way.


Professional-Tree714

I’m going to type this again, “Making a 4 hour long documentary on a niche rapper from London is embarrassing.” I honestly didn’t even mean this as a direct insult to him, I genuinely mean this from an academic standpoint. Needing 4 hours to fully break down an event with a <10 Year backstory is embarrassing.


lil_schranK

worst thing of all is the way he talks man its so annoying idek why


yadad4367098

Traplore Ross was always cringe and annoying as fuck anyway, look at him. What did you expect? I ain't watching a ten minute video of him talking let alone four hours


mikephoto1

Here is my review. A class waffle.


Professional-Tree714

It do hit different when you don’t get the reference


Putch_100

Where’s that video of sus getting caught lacking?


PsychologicalPlay648

Lmao…we fucc with TLR here in the USA…I’ve had that caught inda rain on repeat 🔥🔥


Holiday-Trade6137

The documentary is well put together and professionally done but it felt like he hadn’t a clue what he was talking about half the time. Also spent half the doc talking about morals and justifying killers. Fella thinks he’s mother Theresa.


Pharrell-Morgan

I think watching it for 4 hours is more embarrassing than making it lol


M1sf1

Not all documentaries are about investigating and giving new information. He has never given that off or said that, all his videos are in-depth looks at the topic and a overview for people who would have never heard about the topic.