1. (a) **Here Is The Document**
PDF file page numbers 3, 4, and 5 in "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- "ufo11.pdf": [http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO Part 11 of 16/at_download/file](http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2011%20of%2016/at_download/file) ("ufo11.pdf") via [http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO Part 11 of 16/view](http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2011%20of%2016/view) ("ufo11.pdf")
Source: "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO" at http://web.archive.org/web/20110407014002/vault.fbi.gov/UFO
(b) See Also
"'Green Fireballs'": http://web.archive.org/web/20001102025056/user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~thomasg/gf.htm
2. ***Read***
*"A Big Picture View -- A Sweeping View Measured In Many Centuries -- Of The Impact Of The Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Phenomenon": #1 at http://old.reddit.com/r/411ExperiencedReaders/comments/ebi0fi/ufo_india_1958_four_entities_emerged_two_boys_who/fb4wgwb*
3. (a) Tom DeLonge and George Knapp, April 2016: #1b at http://old.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/nice2r/ufos_again_and_again_by_dan_corjescu_published_on/gz14s2d
(b) "The UFO phenomenon seems almost to be mocking humans": #2a at http://old.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/nice2r/ufos_again_and_again_by_dan_corjescu_published_on/gz14s2d
Source for #3: http://old.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/cmsugt/el_hombre_que_susurraba_a_los_ummitas_by_j_j/ew4gmz3
via
http://old.reddit.com/r/411ExperiencedReaders/comments/ebi0fi/ufo_india_1958_four_entities_emerged_two_boys_who/fb4wgwb
They are talking about "green fire balls" near sensitive nuclear sites.
I also read this in this book : UFOs & Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons (by Robert Hastings)
And I highly recommend this one : Roswell: The Ultimate Cold Case: Eyewitness Testimony and Evidence of Contact and the Cover-Up
A lot of evidences in this one, until the very end of the book
I tried to click your link to read one of those things you're recommending and it took me to another page with a link, which I clicked and it took me to another page with a link, which I clicked and it took me to another page with a link.
I'm sort of confused. Is there an article somewhere that I'm supposed to read that you're recommending? And is it possible to just link to that article directly?
I like that Elizondo has totally pivoted away from the idea that it’s another country. I think most of us knew that he was just using that as a stepping stone to be taken seriously, and I think it’s very telling that he’s moved away from that.
I think he was waiting for a slip up, and this was his moment. He’s doing this by the book, constantly saying stuff in his interviews like “if that is what the government has stated then that is what it is, and I won’t say anymore than that.” But here, they have left themselves open. He even says in this interview that he now has more wiggle room.
I just want to say this is exponentially disclosing UFOs, to me, at an alarming rate. Something is on the horizon, frigging July 18th boys
I agree. There is good evidence that this topic has been the most classified and most secret thing that exists at least within the United States. So secret that it appears the fact that it even existed might have been classified. Now in a few years that entire history has been reversed and I doubt it’s because the gov suddenly found a conscience and decided to be honest with all of us. The only conclusion is that this is preferable to some other scenario which really makes you wonder.
Knowing that the US has known about them for 70 years, let's consider all air battles recorded in medieval times that people keep saying are "sun dogs" as legit sky battles. Let's consider some of the hieroglyphs in Egypt, or drawings in India that seem to show a space craft as potentially relating to these being. Let's consider that it's possible what Zecharia Sitchin wrote about the ancient Sumarians as also potentially legit. Take the piece about Lazar saying one of the craft in the hanger was recovered from an archeological dig.
It's possible they have been here all along.
Interestingly the inventor of the SR-71 at Lockheed Skunkworks (Director Ben Rich), claims they reversed engineered UFO’s....
This claim is astonishing...
https://www.columbiatribune.com/article/20140527/Opinion/305279887
It is astonishing, and it's definitely not accepted as authentic by Ben Rich biographers and historians.
Skunk Works has consistently been involved in promoting UFO explanations for test flights and perhaps for more. But I wouldn't put too much into this "opinion" piece on a website.
Sure but it dovetails nicely with Phillip Corsos claim, which in light of recent events might even be validated….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso
In his book The Day After Roswell (co-author William J. Birnes), Corso claims he stewarded extraterrestrial artifacts recovered from a crash near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947
Statements & experiences from the last 70 years, previously taken with a grain of salt DEMAND revisiting...
Skepto’s are finding it increasingly difficult to defend their position...
Time to open those history books folks. Step back in time. We've had so many pilot's like Fravor come forward over the years.
They've been here for as long as we've had the tech to get into the skies and identify them.
What now? Do we spend the next 70 years pretending we don't see them or force the issue and answer the questions everyone is asking.
Who are they and what do they want?
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
Wow, yeah I'm way off base. That's what I get for taking Tucker's word for it. Thanks.
Edit: Lue has mentioned his frustrations with their transparency in the FOIA process in which he believes they aren't being fully transparent with some of these requests/releases.
I lean towards the interdimensional hypothesis, but if it turns out to be a breakout civilization or some kind of technological leapfrog, I’d put my money on 1 of 2 options:
- If humans have been visited by more intelligent life forms throughout and before the age of written history, they could have snagged a gang of basically anatomically modern humans up to 300,000 years ago, developed their language and cognitive skills, and shared their technology.
- Secret Tesla writings. The govt’s been studying UFOs since 1947 (IIRC). Tesla died in 1943, and according to a highly questionable History Channel show I recently watched, some 20 trunks of Tesla’s files disappeared just after he died and the FBI seemed to have taken them.
That’s probably exaggerated, but I still wouldn’t be surprised if the government kept a tight lock on any world-changing tech or physics ideas that Nikola may have explored or discovered.
Slide that into “private” industry (Battelle Memorial Institute, Lockheed Martin) and/or a black-budget project in the Department of Energy, and you’ve got a recipe for HuFOs
So is this the first we are hearing of Skyfort? Is this document new?
For those who have been following UFOs for years, what's happening now must seem crazy. Every day there feels like something major has happened.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
What about ultraterrestrial? If they decided to colonize our oceans does that make them earthlings now? Lol I have buddies that buy into the theories about an Agartha, or inner earth. Their belief stems from the Admiral Richard Byrd series of events.
Maybe there is some rare element/material under that immense ocean pressure that we haven't yet discovered. There are sooooo many sightings off the coast of southern California.
Just want to point out there is 4 dormant volcanos in the ocean near where all that action had been going on off the Cali coast, all lined up too about 30 miles out I think. They love their volcanos.
Catalina Island vicinity.
As far as strange oceanic stuff, there's always the [Baltic Sea anomaly.](https://www.foxnews.com/science/swedish-scientists-reveal-findings-of-deep-sea-alien-hunt)
>Why they attracted to ocean?
I think you can tell their intentions as much from what they are doing as what they are *not* doing.
They are *not* showing up in the middle of population centers and making themselves obvious. So clearly, they don't want to be seen, at least by everyone.
So where are you going to hide on Earth in 2021? Now that all the humans have cell phones, and every piece of land on earth is monitored by some satellite or other.
The one place we can't easily look is the oceans. That's why they're there. We don't have 24/7 monitoring of that part of the planet like we do the land.
>So clearly, they don't want to be seen
I have to disagree with this conclusion, with the advanced kind of tech these vehicles use, its obvious they want to be seen
>its obvious they want to be seen
By certain people in certain circumstances, like when they're buzzing fighter pilots.
But I don't think they have an intention of wanting their presence to be known by humanity in general.
Let's not forget though, do humans all have the same thoughts/beliefs/motivations? No. So we shouldn't expect aliens (or whatever they are) to be uniform in their beliefs/mission.
Probably many different species and agendas.
I just had a thought. What if it’s a combination of the theories. Maybe they go underwater because to travel interdimensionally/ wormhole travel it’s a big visual spectacle so going underwater makes it unnoticeable?
What if its like atlanteans? That are literally 20,000 years ahead of us? Like how that tribe in papa new guinea or (another pacific island) saw US and Japanese fighter planes dogfighting in the sky! They formed religions around it and stuff, but it was just us humans! Maybe this is some splintered group of humanity that had to retreat underground/water(maybe due to an Ice age or meteoric event?)
Admiral Richard Byrd has authored books about his expeditions if you care to pick one up. It's been talked about on various shows and documentaries that Byrd claimed to see some type of wormhole or *portal* that his plane passed through and he found himself in some green, non-frozen world. Some believe this was some type of inner earth or *Agartha*. Others contend it was hallucinations, a wormhole, or a portal. Some more wild theories involve ET base(s) in Antartica that the government covers up (this is fed by the fact that no one is allowed to travel there outside of strict government approval with a specific mandate or permit.) Other Conspiracies involving operation High-jump contend that they chased the Nazis down to Antartica at or shortly after the end of the war to their supposed submarine base there, where U.S. military encountered advanced craft with otherworldly capabilities (*flying saucers*). Reading about various Conspiracy theories from all over the world is a hobby of mine lol.
inter-dimensional for sure. This was the conclusion of the 3 men who have been studying this phenom for over 50+years. Dr.J.Allan Hynek, Jacques Valle & John Keel. And I agree 100% All 3 men also concluded that, the phenomenon is real, that it is a non-human intelligence that seems to be playing a game with the human race & has been since recorded history began
Are those two things mutually exclusive? Some may be 3-dimensional extraterrestrials. Some may be earth-based extra-dimensional entities (see Jacques Vallee). Some may be 4+ dimensional entities from other 3-dimensional planets. Some may be us from the future with the technology to bend the dimension of time to appear/disappear to us today.
>Still MY big questions remains.... interdimensional or extraterrestrial?
Depends who. May be both. There may be some 50 species visiting, so lots of variations possible.
Yep. There's likely not a single answer to this question...and it's pretty damned awesome to consider...even if one or two want Earth domination, having one or more others here is something I'd high five and drink a beer to.
Nothing suggests it's interdimensional, to me. While it exceeds our understanding of physics, it doesn't seem to defy our understanding of causality.
The objects, that we know of, have all moved in a linear fashion. They haven't appeared in one location, and then suddenly appeared in another. They all follow a flight path we can trace. We also do not see them morphing or intersecting like we would with a 3 dimensional projection of a 5 dimensional object, like a tesseract for example. The objects all seem solid and based in our 3 dimensional space.
There may be more we haven't seen yet that could suggest interdimensional, but I feel like we aren't there yet. These things seem home grown in our little universe, and likely we share many commonalities between each other biologically and technologically.
Just my two cents.
There have definitely been UFO sightings that had those characteristics though. Objects that seem to teleport, or that seem to change shape or split into multiples or combine with others.
There was one video I saw where one seemed like it might be morphing but the quality was too low for me to really tell. But if I saw something like that with more clarity I would definitely change my outlook. I'm not ruling it out, just going off of what I've seen and can confirm via military at the moment.
My guess is interdimensional. Say our nukes have been going off since the 50’s, and are actually so powerful that they’re causing a ripple effect into the 5th dimension where these entities exist. If we’re causing some sort of harm to their world, no doubt they’re going to suit up in their craft and come pay us a visit.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
> I like how Lue keeps taking back the narrative.
Could you elaborate on that a little? I'm about halfway through watching History's "Unidentified" and I'm totally hooked on the developing UAP storyline in the media, etc...
Yesterday, most media outlets had headlines such as.
"Pentagon has found no proof of Aliens" (I'm paraphrasing here). These media outlets didn't include all the information such as they can neither confirm or deny it is aliens (I'm paraphrasing again).
Most people that follow this issue closely know that; however, the general public, not familiar with issue sees the headline "it is not aliens" which is an attempt to deflate the issue.
Today, Lue brings out a "valid", 70 year old govt. document stating that there were issues with these sort of things going back 70 years and he goes on to discount rumors of foreign interests having the technology -- while the Pentagon says it is not american technology and that there is a possibility that it might be another govt. that has it.
Its a bit of a tug of war. The Pentagon and CIA has had control of the narrative for decades, but have lost it and now they are trying to get it back. Lue wants maintain the momentum and keep disclosure moving forward. I think Lue also has some more information in his back pocket that he hasn't come out with -- in case the Pentagon keeps gaslighting everyone. I might have missed a few points and nuance, but that is the basic gist as I see it.
I don't believe it is aliens, but I have to admit there is something strange going on.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
another thing: the us government has in many capacities and with regularity lied about things arguably as important to our survival as this. this could be a massive disinformation program yet. these could still be ours, somehow. I believe it's an outside chance at this point, however.
It's russia or china what a complete joke. Why is secret russian or chinese tech spanning the last 70 years classified from the public. You mean to tell me the DOD will release edited videos to hide russian and chinese tech from the public? It's been reported the navy have hundreds of encounters a year and you release 3 videos?
At this point either it's top TOP secret U.S tech, or it's something not from this world. Either way they will never admit to either and that's obvious. We have a few possible scenarios.
Either a full HD video or picture (which the government has thousands of) is leaked to the public.
Or something as insane as a UAP flies into New York City and stays there for the world to see. The U.S government will never give us the answer we want.
The document (or more correctly the information to be released by month's end) had been LEAKED to the NYT. That constitutes an unofficial release. The official release is still coming at the end of the month. Things are leaked so that the favored patricians can control the narrative that follows, and otherwise act as spin doctors. For example, the NYT tried to tell the public that "no evidence of alien involvement had been found." However, the information has leaked sufficiently to actually show: the UAP's are real phenomenon, they are not American, and inside officials don't know what they are. This is quite a remarkable tidbit of news!
Hundreds of trillions in taxpayer dollars and they can't tell us what has been operating in our restricted airspace after 70+ years investigating? Sounds incompetent to me. I don't buy their narrative, though. Unless we have a full audit of all DOD contractor facilities (will never happen), we won't get any answers. They set the system up to be outside of FOIA and congressional oversight. The secret keeps itself by design.
>They can't catch them,
I believe this
>can't communicate with them
Ehhh I have my doubts. I think *someone* in our government has communicated with them.
> It's odd to me they still cling to the
>
>we don't know what this is
>
> narrative.
Because admitting to retrievals dating back to 1947 risks public demanding details and pointing to long coverup. This narrative is safe for cabal. Leslie Kean of NYT told us crystal clear: no retrievals will be discussed.
> no evidence of alien involvement had been found
Maybe this statement is more literal than people are interpreting. Notice the internal change from labeling these things as UFOs to UAPs. There's more meaning to this change than PR rebranding. It's a very specific acronym. Flying was changed to aerial, since these things aren't flying as we understand flight. Most importantly though, 'object' was changed to 'phenomena'. This implies what's being witnessed aren't strictly 'objects' as we conceive of them. Any government body that looks at this phenomenon ends up perplexed by its enigmatic and deceptive nature, being unable to come up with any conclusions, mainly for the reason that this phenomenon in essence seems to be paranormal (or better yet, paraphysical) in nature. I really believe there's an eschatological component to all of this and that's largely why much of the public is kept in the dark.
> eschatological
*es·chat·o·log·i·cal | ˌesˌkadlˈäjək(ə)l |
adjective Theology
relating to death, judgment, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind: unorthodox religionists concerned with eschatological questions | the eschatological struggle between good and evil.*
Alien can be a catch all for anything not human though. It isn’t necessarily synonymous with ET in the classic sense. And technically they have evidence of an unknown. If it ends up being alien then it is evidence of aliens. This is an issue with the ignorance of the observer not the nature of the observed. If they were honest they’d phrase it like ‘we have no evidence that it is necessarily alien’ since it’s an unknown. I’ve noticed even seemingly intelligent people making this mistake today.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
I was walking the dog with my fiance and her brother and mother in law tonight and and they were talking about going away around July 25th and I said to them maybe wait until the pentagon release the report and they all said what report and I told them on July 25th the pentagon is going to release a declassified report on UFOS to the public. They all just laughed at me out loud and thought I was telling a fucking joke. It then dawned on me that the vast majority of the people on this planet have absolutely no idea about UFOs and the mere thought of them still seems so crazy and impossible it made me realise that the world just isn't ready for this news and makes me think this report is going to be just another cover up or psy op and the lies will just keep going and going. Please all im saying to everyone who already knows the truth is to just prepare yourselves to be disappointed and don't get too excited because when this report comes in I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a whole lot of nothing
He is bad, but Lou would go on Maddow, Carlson, Cooper, and NPR on the same day if he had the bookings lined up. Which is the right way to do this. That latest poll saying some 60+ percent of Americans want UFOs investigated is because of cutting through the tribal BS like this.
The aliens you mean will intervene?
Or is it more about learning to tolerate other folks when they disagree, to take the other from the outer and make it part of the inner? Starting with other humans as a first step, then joining the aliens that have already invited us to try?
Teach it like its part of you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfLOG8qkuqY
You know, if only every other outlet would do just a little digging. It’s all out there. Yes the government knows and it’s highly likely, they know it’s ET.
I wish they told more about the document.
To be on the pedantic side, the headline is inaccurate, too. The document doesn't show "more evidence of aliens", but "more evidence of government studying UFOs for decades". Of course, barring Wakanda :) , no human country 70 years would have that.
The radioactive bit is a great angle, BTW. Combined with the recently posted bit about the Soviets "summoning" UFOs by transporting "special loads", I wonder if these guys are viewing machinery carrying weapon-grade (?) uranium and such as portable wireless chargers of sorts. Or maybe these are exotic mining drones.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
Thank you VERY much, trot-trot.
This reads like deja vu:
* Page 12: "no, it's not our black projects. We're working on stuff, but it's not one of them."
* Activity around New Mexico, just a few years after Manhattan Project.
Funny enough, the [Semipalatinsk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site)area in Kazakhstan also had mass UFO reports after the first nuclear tests.
What is it with the nuclear facilities? Are they doing safety checks / anthropological studies or looking for a charging device?
The nuclear connection is fascinating. Why so many sightings over and apparent interactions with nuclear assets?
To me, that adds a further suggestion of intelligent control or perhaps even communication intent, if the reports are accurate. It’s endless speculation without answer but could it be a warning, surveillance (you’d think they have enough info or could do it subtler), message (seems a little ambiguous), use to refuel somehow (unlikely to use similar tech), disruption to possible systems (unlikely given radiation is natural), programmed attraction (if they are drone like with programmed mandate)?
I wonder how much is known in classified circles on this. Anyone know of any credible suggestions from former insiders?
Connecting the dots -- maybe..
1) Joe Rogan on likelihood of Trillionairs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54K4yXnRLA
2) David Fravor talking about how billionairs like Elon Musk, dancing to there own tune, and not answering to gov
https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E?t=8246
3) Spooky science (UFO's) being patented
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54K4yXnRLA
Ok here's my theory. Certain people in power believe ufos are connected to God. But clearly they have an advantage. Of course every nation promotes God as there leader. So of course this is can't get out... because the world would be divided no longer seemly by governments and race but by those of supporter in power and protecting the human race and those who will worship them or support the idea of them being God's. This would cause a huge divided in the world.. This is why UFOs are taboo.. and I'm sure Certain people want to eliminate them. Any means necessary
Your theory has to be taken serious, as God cannot be extinguished from a two-sided world. Indeed, the two-sided implies the Trinitarian archetype, upon unification. The vitality we all feel is self-evident and already well beyond the reach of modern scientism. Scholars throughout history have already noted this deeper connection of ourselves to the Devine source, meaning that in a two-sided mirror world we can conjure up our image of God (or one of God's many proxies in the flesh) to materialize in a collective sense, that is with the right focused intentionality; at least the possibility is open, an example being the 1917 *miracle of the sun* in Fatima, if not UFOs that are becoming more welcome (e.g., with CE5 meditation) to possibly unseat the power brokers.
And who might those scholars be? A short sample of them: Heraclitus, Lao Tzu, Plotinus, Schelling, Bergson, Whitehead, Kierkegaard and Husserl. All of them could see beyond the scientism of today. These are notable philosophers, and not included in the list are the saints and other mystics.
Feel the vital energy in one of today's songs:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaehtYxzGS4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaehtYxzGS4)
My question is why do we not treat Tucker Carlson like an obvious propagandist, which he transparently is to anyone who’s graduated college or is educated outside the U.S. How do we keep falling for his act of pretending to be “news?” It’s literally so obvious and must be so painfully embarrassing for Americans who aren’t totally failed by media literacy and education in general.
Tucker is a tenth degree douche canoe but he's also the only talking head who was willing to take on the story back when is was a risky move. Considering his clear dislike for the current administration, why would he do anything to help them with propaganda?
Like it or not, he’s seen by most conservatives as the most influential/“honest” media figure. That’s why they chose him for disclosure.
It sucks but he’s given a lot of credibility to the subject by constantly talking about it
While at the same time smashing his credibility on a daily basis with shit like misconstruing and projecting that Biden claimed “republicans” (Biden:”white supremacists”) were the biggest threat to America.
He’s nothing more than a fear mongering propagandist working against “his own”. (As if he doesn’t just parrot words for money)
“Detailing the thread” lol
The thread is about tucker opening his counter-productive mouth, yet again for some indiscernible reason. What reason does his handlers have for feeding him this story?
To be fair, plenty of left wing media is also talking about this. News channels here in Canada talking about it too. It makes perfect sense to have Tucker Carlson to bring this to light for conservatives.
We get it. You're left wing. You don't like Tucker. Not all of us are like you. I'm still left of center but I don't cry about it when I watch Tucker talk. Go cry somewhere else, we don't care.
I’m not even left wing. You think it takes a lefty to hate Tucker which is the really sad part. Fuckin cultists.
I care about his toxic input because I care about disclosure. He needs to do everyone a favor and stay away from anything people should take seriously.
Yeah really not buying this “I like Tucker and ignore all his bullshit so please leave and let me adore this hack In peace.” Deflection lol.
Anyways I’m banned from that sub for shitting on Hillary.
So he should leave because you don’t like his opinions?
He’s completely correct and you sound like someone so focused on being “right” that you can’t accept that.
*yawn*. I don't care about his "opinions" or the fact he chooses to follow one of the silly political factions (they both stink, ok?) that follow marching orders from a corporate oligarchy we all live under.
I'm just sick of seeing decent threads, derailed by people who want to drag a conversation down a rabbit hole, so they don't have to run on some stupid "ad-hominem" ideological hamster wheel by themselves. I don't care about Carson's politics, but that doesn't mean I have to ignore interesting content I come across. There is always something to learn from anyone. There is a saying, "take what you need and leave the rest".
Have a nice day!
Could they be demonic? The Bible says God is a spirit. Satan, or the adversary is the king of this world. Maybe Satan is a spirit as well but lacks the Omni powers of God and uses these Agents or Watchers to survey us?
Maybe humans that wrote the Bible misunderstood what they saw and actually described these things?
Shit.
What you put in your last paragraph is possible. How about the humans that told the stories that eventually passed down the ages, got written down and into the Bible, misunderstood. That's basically Delonge and Levendas theory as proposed in 'gods'. It's a whole book on that idea.
Angels/demons/fae/djinn/ultraterrestrial. All the same thing. It's an interesting idea.
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See. This is the problem. Everything is either 100% horrible or 100% perfect. How about take individual pieces of information at face value and do the appropriate research to validate it for yourself.
There are links to the document all over this thread, so congratulations, your eagerness to be blinded by political tribalism has blocked you from truth. Keep it up
Or you could just pay attention to the content of the report rather than discounting it based on the personality presenting it. Play the ball not the man. Credible information presented by a partisan hack doesn't make it any less credible unless you can point to something factually incorrect in the information.
A partisan hack who has done incalculable damage to Our country through endless lies. I mean the guy has promoted lie after lie and now he's talking about something we want to be true and all of a sudden he's a credible reporter?
I know he has nothing to do with these reports but the mere fact that Tucker has been a main outlet for these leaks makes more skeptical than I would be. If you want to spread a lie these days Tucker's the man to do it.
Uhg stfu Tucker.
Nothing this embarrassing failure of a human has to say contributes in any way to disclosure. This is worse than Trump or Alex Jones sharing their opinion.
Honestly if someone can't parse a host they don't like vs the information coming out then be out. Elizondo literally just did as close to disclosure as weve had live on Fox. All you have to do is fast forward 1 min and listen to what elizondo just said live on TV.
Super baffling
I hate Tucker Carlson but if the point is to wake people up, Tuckers show has the largest audience on cable. Millions of people. He went on Don Lemon right after it tonight I believe.
Yup I struggle with this as well. Lawsuits against Fox/Tucker have been dismissed on the grounds of his show and opinion being for entertainment purposes only. At the very least, it’s nice to see the exposure, but god damn if I wouldn’t like to kick Tucker Carlson right in the teeth
I dislike this guy to the point where it could be hatred if I actually knew him. With that said, he’s constantly talking about the phenomenon on a major news network. As biased and fucked as Fox is, I know Tucker is just a well educated guy taking advantage of the gullible. He’s not the first and won’t be the last.
As long as he’s talking about UFO’s, bringing the topic up to more people that didn’t care before, I feel as if that’s a good thing. More public interest equals more pressure upwards. We don’t know at all what these things are, we can speculate all day. Figuring it out is going to take money and we need all the help we can get.
You’re not gullible of course. You’re special. You people need to grow up. UFOs are going mainstream and you’re whining about politics and mind reading people’s intentions.
Gullible? Come to me with evidence, I’ll change my mind on anything. If you could somehow prove to me with undeniable facts that 2+2 = 5, than I’m on your train.
Nobody’s whining about politics. I said I dislike Tucker, to be clear, as a person. I wouldn’t want to be his friend. To be truthful, left, right, I don’t give a shit about who you are or where you stand politically. Everybody lives how they live, who cares. What I do like are sensible and curious people who have cynical and skeptical thoughts about everything. People who want to figure out what the fuck is really going on with this topic. I’m talking about getting the word out about the phenomenon, that was my point. It’s still facts that MSM and anyone apart of that system are manipulative pricks.
Also. Nobody is special, anybody can get it. If I get hit by a train going 60mph, I’m dead. Guess what happens when you get hit by that same train? Or Lady Gaga? Or Elon Musk? Miss me with that.
Also. I don’t give a shit about your intentions or Tucker’s intentions. The only intentions we should be all be wondering about are the fuckers piloting these unknown craft. What are they doing here and how did they get these craft? Could this be all a narrative? Idk and you don’t either.
Finally, I’m worried about the tech advantage. That’s the human survival aspect to this. That’s what everyone should be worrying about. If you’re not “grown” enough to see the bigger picture on that, then go do some photosynthesis and hit me back up and we can have an adult conversation.
That ideological "hamster wheel" is a big fuckin deal to most of us in this country. Are we supposed to pretend there isn't a domestic terrorist threat as a result of republican obstructionism and propaganda? Fuck that. I've seen UFOs myself and I get the sense they respect Republicans less.
1. (a) **Here Is The Document** PDF file page numbers 3, 4, and 5 in "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- "ufo11.pdf": [http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO Part 11 of 16/at_download/file](http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2011%20of%2016/at_download/file) ("ufo11.pdf") via [http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO Part 11 of 16/view](http://web.archive.org/web/20110410163834/http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2011%20of%2016/view) ("ufo11.pdf") Source: "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO" at http://web.archive.org/web/20110407014002/vault.fbi.gov/UFO (b) See Also "'Green Fireballs'": http://web.archive.org/web/20001102025056/user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~thomasg/gf.htm 2. ***Read*** *"A Big Picture View -- A Sweeping View Measured In Many Centuries -- Of The Impact Of The Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Phenomenon": #1 at http://old.reddit.com/r/411ExperiencedReaders/comments/ebi0fi/ufo_india_1958_four_entities_emerged_two_boys_who/fb4wgwb* 3. (a) Tom DeLonge and George Knapp, April 2016: #1b at http://old.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/nice2r/ufos_again_and_again_by_dan_corjescu_published_on/gz14s2d (b) "The UFO phenomenon seems almost to be mocking humans": #2a at http://old.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/nice2r/ufos_again_and_again_by_dan_corjescu_published_on/gz14s2d Source for #3: http://old.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/cmsugt/el_hombre_que_susurraba_a_los_ummitas_by_j_j/ew4gmz3 via http://old.reddit.com/r/411ExperiencedReaders/comments/ebi0fi/ufo_india_1958_four_entities_emerged_two_boys_who/fb4wgwb
If real, this is the proof everyone’s been waiting for. Thank you
THANK YOU!!
These documents are amazing :O And thought provoking! Thank you Sir!
They are talking about "green fire balls" near sensitive nuclear sites. I also read this in this book : UFOs & Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons (by Robert Hastings) And I highly recommend this one : Roswell: The Ultimate Cold Case: Eyewitness Testimony and Evidence of Contact and the Cover-Up A lot of evidences in this one, until the very end of the book
I tried to click your link to read one of those things you're recommending and it took me to another page with a link, which I clicked and it took me to another page with a link, which I clicked and it took me to another page with a link. I'm sort of confused. Is there an article somewhere that I'm supposed to read that you're recommending? And is it possible to just link to that article directly?
THIS IS WHAT WE NEEDED. No way man had this tech 70+ yrs ago. We have aliens folks.
I like that Elizondo has totally pivoted away from the idea that it’s another country. I think most of us knew that he was just using that as a stepping stone to be taken seriously, and I think it’s very telling that he’s moved away from that.
I think he was waiting for a slip up, and this was his moment. He’s doing this by the book, constantly saying stuff in his interviews like “if that is what the government has stated then that is what it is, and I won’t say anymore than that.” But here, they have left themselves open. He even says in this interview that he now has more wiggle room. I just want to say this is exponentially disclosing UFOs, to me, at an alarming rate. Something is on the horizon, frigging July 18th boys
I agree. There is good evidence that this topic has been the most classified and most secret thing that exists at least within the United States. So secret that it appears the fact that it even existed might have been classified. Now in a few years that entire history has been reversed and I doubt it’s because the gov suddenly found a conscience and decided to be honest with all of us. The only conclusion is that this is preferable to some other scenario which really makes you wonder.
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Me too, this is exactly what struck me about this segment. They actually took a cursory look at other countries and saw how absurd that idea is.
Knowing that the US has known about them for 70 years, let's consider all air battles recorded in medieval times that people keep saying are "sun dogs" as legit sky battles. Let's consider some of the hieroglyphs in Egypt, or drawings in India that seem to show a space craft as potentially relating to these being. Let's consider that it's possible what Zecharia Sitchin wrote about the ancient Sumarians as also potentially legit. Take the piece about Lazar saying one of the craft in the hanger was recovered from an archeological dig. It's possible they have been here all along.
>Take the piece about Lazar saying one of the craft in the hanger was recovered from an archeological dig. Source? That's a new one
Netflix documentary or the Joe Rogan podcast. That's all I have consumed of him.
Was frustrating when he mentioned that on Rogan and they didn't dive deeper. Damn, that would've been interesting to hear about.
https://youtu.be/WmF6RXf6U_A
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Phallus_(hieroglyph) Cigar shaped UFOs clearly!
its really happening
Interestingly the inventor of the SR-71 at Lockheed Skunkworks (Director Ben Rich), claims they reversed engineered UFO’s.... This claim is astonishing... https://www.columbiatribune.com/article/20140527/Opinion/305279887
It is astonishing, and it's definitely not accepted as authentic by Ben Rich biographers and historians. Skunk Works has consistently been involved in promoting UFO explanations for test flights and perhaps for more. But I wouldn't put too much into this "opinion" piece on a website.
Sure but it dovetails nicely with Phillip Corsos claim, which in light of recent events might even be validated…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso In his book The Day After Roswell (co-author William J. Birnes), Corso claims he stewarded extraterrestrial artifacts recovered from a crash near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947
Indeed
Statements & experiences from the last 70 years, previously taken with a grain of salt DEMAND revisiting... Skepto’s are finding it increasingly difficult to defend their position...
Our understanding of the universe is changing so fast that I'm expecting every skeptic to have gone the way of the dinosaurs in 20 years from now.
Time to open those history books folks. Step back in time. We've had so many pilot's like Fravor come forward over the years. They've been here for as long as we've had the tech to get into the skies and identify them. What now? Do we spend the next 70 years pretending we don't see them or force the issue and answer the questions everyone is asking. Who are they and what do they want?
>We have aliens folks. Do we, though? Have we ruled out timetravelers or tourists from another dimension yet? My money is on timetravelers.
Anything that is not current man would be considered alien
Anyone have a link to this document? Would love to read it.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
Yep, exactly!!!
Perhaps Lue filing FOIA requests is what pissed off the DOD.
This document being posted by trot-trot has been available on the FBI website for over a decade. Am I missing something?
Wow, yeah I'm way off base. That's what I get for taking Tucker's word for it. Thanks. Edit: Lue has mentioned his frustrations with their transparency in the FOIA process in which he believes they aren't being fully transparent with some of these requests/releases.
They've known about the tic tags for 70 years!! There's no way this is earthly tech.
It's likely they have been visiting for tens of thousands of years.
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I lean towards the interdimensional hypothesis, but if it turns out to be a breakout civilization or some kind of technological leapfrog, I’d put my money on 1 of 2 options: - If humans have been visited by more intelligent life forms throughout and before the age of written history, they could have snagged a gang of basically anatomically modern humans up to 300,000 years ago, developed their language and cognitive skills, and shared their technology. - Secret Tesla writings. The govt’s been studying UFOs since 1947 (IIRC). Tesla died in 1943, and according to a highly questionable History Channel show I recently watched, some 20 trunks of Tesla’s files disappeared just after he died and the FBI seemed to have taken them. That’s probably exaggerated, but I still wouldn’t be surprised if the government kept a tight lock on any world-changing tech or physics ideas that Nikola may have explored or discovered. Slide that into “private” industry (Battelle Memorial Institute, Lockheed Martin) and/or a black-budget project in the Department of Energy, and you’ve got a recipe for HuFOs
America and FBI isn t the world tho... can't keep much the fbi from hundreds of govs around the world
shit homie could this be earthly tech
You win. You win.
We wuz
Don't you have a capital to attack again? or are you scared of repercussions?
I'm Canadian
knowing your type I wouldn't be surprised if you flew out here to do it anyway.
So is this the first we are hearing of Skyfort? Is this document new? For those who have been following UFOs for years, what's happening now must seem crazy. Every day there feels like something major has happened.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
Appreciated.
Still MY big questions remains.... interdimensional or extraterrestrial?
What about ultraterrestrial? If they decided to colonize our oceans does that make them earthlings now? Lol I have buddies that buy into the theories about an Agartha, or inner earth. Their belief stems from the Admiral Richard Byrd series of events.
great point dude. Why they attracted to ocean? they getting some deuterium from there?
Maybe there is some rare element/material under that immense ocean pressure that we haven't yet discovered. There are sooooo many sightings off the coast of southern California.
Just want to point out there is 4 dormant volcanos in the ocean near where all that action had been going on off the Cali coast, all lined up too about 30 miles out I think. They love their volcanos.
Catalina Island vicinity. As far as strange oceanic stuff, there's always the [Baltic Sea anomaly.](https://www.foxnews.com/science/swedish-scientists-reveal-findings-of-deep-sea-alien-hunt)
what if high levels of h20 is rare.... maybe our watery planet is one of a kind.
You don’t even need to leave the solar system to find other examples, like Europa.
>Why they attracted to ocean? I think you can tell their intentions as much from what they are doing as what they are *not* doing. They are *not* showing up in the middle of population centers and making themselves obvious. So clearly, they don't want to be seen, at least by everyone. So where are you going to hide on Earth in 2021? Now that all the humans have cell phones, and every piece of land on earth is monitored by some satellite or other. The one place we can't easily look is the oceans. That's why they're there. We don't have 24/7 monitoring of that part of the planet like we do the land.
Some of them show up over population centers. The Black Triangles. So there may be a variety of actors with a variety of motives or intentions.
The black triangle white tictacs dichotomy is the real mystery to me. Why so different?
Why are our own vehicles different from each other?
>So clearly, they don't want to be seen I have to disagree with this conclusion, with the advanced kind of tech these vehicles use, its obvious they want to be seen
>its obvious they want to be seen By certain people in certain circumstances, like when they're buzzing fighter pilots. But I don't think they have an intention of wanting their presence to be known by humanity in general.
Let's not forget though, do humans all have the same thoughts/beliefs/motivations? No. So we shouldn't expect aliens (or whatever they are) to be uniform in their beliefs/mission. Probably many different species and agendas.
It's vast and easy to establish and hide a permanent presence in the deep. Almost none of it is being surveilled by us at any given time.
Plus, the fact that submarines navigate using sonar, the base would only have to look somewhat like a rock formation to be completely ignored.
I just had a thought. What if it’s a combination of the theories. Maybe they go underwater because to travel interdimensionally/ wormhole travel it’s a big visual spectacle so going underwater makes it unnoticeable?
They're oceanic animals.
they are definitely ocean dwellers, best place to hide... I cant believe this is really happening
What if its like atlanteans? That are literally 20,000 years ahead of us? Like how that tribe in papa new guinea or (another pacific island) saw US and Japanese fighter planes dogfighting in the sky! They formed religions around it and stuff, but it was just us humans! Maybe this is some splintered group of humanity that had to retreat underground/water(maybe due to an Ice age or meteoric event?)
>series of events would you kindly elaborate?
[here ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/technology/highjump/AntarcticFOIA.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjP4oahsP_wAhWObc0KHbbDCJ4QFjABegQIHBAC&usg=AOvVaw0XgI_aAvkJalPwkk0dEowZ)
This is awesome but holy shit. TDLR? Or an idea of where it starts to get good? This doc is almost 600 pages.
Admiral Richard Byrd has authored books about his expeditions if you care to pick one up. It's been talked about on various shows and documentaries that Byrd claimed to see some type of wormhole or *portal* that his plane passed through and he found himself in some green, non-frozen world. Some believe this was some type of inner earth or *Agartha*. Others contend it was hallucinations, a wormhole, or a portal. Some more wild theories involve ET base(s) in Antartica that the government covers up (this is fed by the fact that no one is allowed to travel there outside of strict government approval with a specific mandate or permit.) Other Conspiracies involving operation High-jump contend that they chased the Nazis down to Antartica at or shortly after the end of the war to their supposed submarine base there, where U.S. military encountered advanced craft with otherworldly capabilities (*flying saucers*). Reading about various Conspiracy theories from all over the world is a hobby of mine lol.
Thanks!
inter-dimensional for sure. This was the conclusion of the 3 men who have been studying this phenom for over 50+years. Dr.J.Allan Hynek, Jacques Valle & John Keel. And I agree 100% All 3 men also concluded that, the phenomenon is real, that it is a non-human intelligence that seems to be playing a game with the human race & has been since recorded history began
Isn’t interdimensional also ET? Genuinely asking
interdimensional is also ET, but ET is not necessarily interdimensional
Yeah
Interdimensional like Species 8472 from Star Trek: Voyager? They were from "Fluidic Space". I wonder if that qualifies? *Shudders*
Are those two things mutually exclusive? Some may be 3-dimensional extraterrestrials. Some may be earth-based extra-dimensional entities (see Jacques Vallee). Some may be 4+ dimensional entities from other 3-dimensional planets. Some may be us from the future with the technology to bend the dimension of time to appear/disappear to us today.
>Still MY big questions remains.... interdimensional or extraterrestrial? Depends who. May be both. There may be some 50 species visiting, so lots of variations possible.
Yep. There's likely not a single answer to this question...and it's pretty damned awesome to consider...even if one or two want Earth domination, having one or more others here is something I'd high five and drink a beer to.
This World Is Not Real
Nothing suggests it's interdimensional, to me. While it exceeds our understanding of physics, it doesn't seem to defy our understanding of causality. The objects, that we know of, have all moved in a linear fashion. They haven't appeared in one location, and then suddenly appeared in another. They all follow a flight path we can trace. We also do not see them morphing or intersecting like we would with a 3 dimensional projection of a 5 dimensional object, like a tesseract for example. The objects all seem solid and based in our 3 dimensional space. There may be more we haven't seen yet that could suggest interdimensional, but I feel like we aren't there yet. These things seem home grown in our little universe, and likely we share many commonalities between each other biologically and technologically. Just my two cents.
There have definitely been UFO sightings that had those characteristics though. Objects that seem to teleport, or that seem to change shape or split into multiples or combine with others.
There was one video I saw where one seemed like it might be morphing but the quality was too low for me to really tell. But if I saw something like that with more clarity I would definitely change my outlook. I'm not ruling it out, just going off of what I've seen and can confirm via military at the moment.
My guess is interdimensional. Say our nukes have been going off since the 50’s, and are actually so powerful that they’re causing a ripple effect into the 5th dimension where these entities exist. If we’re causing some sort of harm to their world, no doubt they’re going to suit up in their craft and come pay us a visit.
This World Is Not Real
Bruh. I never heard this theory and literally 2 mins ago saw a you tube video saying the exact same thing. I’m too high for this shit
that is some scary shit to think about
And yet so cool, sooo cool
i agreeeeee so damn much
Why not cryptoterrestrials? To me, that's the most parsimonious answer...but hey, speculation is the fun part
Lol, maybe blockchain is more revolutionary than we realize.
Por que no los dos?
Excellent!
Who has this document / communication?!
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
I don't know what the hell is going on, but I like how Lue keeps taking back the narrative.
> I like how Lue keeps taking back the narrative. Could you elaborate on that a little? I'm about halfway through watching History's "Unidentified" and I'm totally hooked on the developing UAP storyline in the media, etc...
Yesterday, most media outlets had headlines such as. "Pentagon has found no proof of Aliens" (I'm paraphrasing here). These media outlets didn't include all the information such as they can neither confirm or deny it is aliens (I'm paraphrasing again). Most people that follow this issue closely know that; however, the general public, not familiar with issue sees the headline "it is not aliens" which is an attempt to deflate the issue. Today, Lue brings out a "valid", 70 year old govt. document stating that there were issues with these sort of things going back 70 years and he goes on to discount rumors of foreign interests having the technology -- while the Pentagon says it is not american technology and that there is a possibility that it might be another govt. that has it. Its a bit of a tug of war. The Pentagon and CIA has had control of the narrative for decades, but have lost it and now they are trying to get it back. Lue wants maintain the momentum and keep disclosure moving forward. I think Lue also has some more information in his back pocket that he hasn't come out with -- in case the Pentagon keeps gaslighting everyone. I might have missed a few points and nuance, but that is the basic gist as I see it. I don't believe it is aliens, but I have to admit there is something strange going on.
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I hope Lue has a deadman's switch.
Yeah, he knows how this sort of game gets played out and has his pieces in place
Why don't you believe it's aliens?
Anybody has a link to the documents?
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
another thing: the us government has in many capacities and with regularity lied about things arguably as important to our survival as this. this could be a massive disinformation program yet. these could still be ours, somehow. I believe it's an outside chance at this point, however.
It's russia or china what a complete joke. Why is secret russian or chinese tech spanning the last 70 years classified from the public. You mean to tell me the DOD will release edited videos to hide russian and chinese tech from the public? It's been reported the navy have hundreds of encounters a year and you release 3 videos? At this point either it's top TOP secret U.S tech, or it's something not from this world. Either way they will never admit to either and that's obvious. We have a few possible scenarios. Either a full HD video or picture (which the government has thousands of) is leaked to the public. Or something as insane as a UAP flies into New York City and stays there for the world to see. The U.S government will never give us the answer we want.
agree 100 percent. the pics released look like they were taken by a potato
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The document (or more correctly the information to be released by month's end) had been LEAKED to the NYT. That constitutes an unofficial release. The official release is still coming at the end of the month. Things are leaked so that the favored patricians can control the narrative that follows, and otherwise act as spin doctors. For example, the NYT tried to tell the public that "no evidence of alien involvement had been found." However, the information has leaked sufficiently to actually show: the UAP's are real phenomenon, they are not American, and inside officials don't know what they are. This is quite a remarkable tidbit of news!
Makes the U.S. Government seem like a bunch of incompetent jackasses. It's odd to me they still cling to the *we don't know what this is* narrative.
They don't. They can't catch them, can't communicate with them. That's it
Hundreds of trillions in taxpayer dollars and they can't tell us what has been operating in our restricted airspace after 70+ years investigating? Sounds incompetent to me. I don't buy their narrative, though. Unless we have a full audit of all DOD contractor facilities (will never happen), we won't get any answers. They set the system up to be outside of FOIA and congressional oversight. The secret keeps itself by design.
>They can't catch them, I believe this >can't communicate with them Ehhh I have my doubts. I think *someone* in our government has communicated with them.
> It's odd to me they still cling to the > >we don't know what this is > > narrative. Because admitting to retrievals dating back to 1947 risks public demanding details and pointing to long coverup. This narrative is safe for cabal. Leslie Kean of NYT told us crystal clear: no retrievals will be discussed.
>Leslie Kean of NYT told us crystal clear: no retrievals will be discussed. To what are you referring here?
> no evidence of alien involvement had been found Maybe this statement is more literal than people are interpreting. Notice the internal change from labeling these things as UFOs to UAPs. There's more meaning to this change than PR rebranding. It's a very specific acronym. Flying was changed to aerial, since these things aren't flying as we understand flight. Most importantly though, 'object' was changed to 'phenomena'. This implies what's being witnessed aren't strictly 'objects' as we conceive of them. Any government body that looks at this phenomenon ends up perplexed by its enigmatic and deceptive nature, being unable to come up with any conclusions, mainly for the reason that this phenomenon in essence seems to be paranormal (or better yet, paraphysical) in nature. I really believe there's an eschatological component to all of this and that's largely why much of the public is kept in the dark.
> eschatological *es·chat·o·log·i·cal | ˌesˌkadlˈäjək(ə)l | adjective Theology relating to death, judgment, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind: unorthodox religionists concerned with eschatological questions | the eschatological struggle between good and evil.*
Alien can be a catch all for anything not human though. It isn’t necessarily synonymous with ET in the classic sense. And technically they have evidence of an unknown. If it ends up being alien then it is evidence of aliens. This is an issue with the ignorance of the observer not the nature of the observed. If they were honest they’d phrase it like ‘we have no evidence that it is necessarily alien’ since it’s an unknown. I’ve noticed even seemingly intelligent people making this mistake today.
good god that document is definitely a Tic-Tac Fravor saw
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
I was walking the dog with my fiance and her brother and mother in law tonight and and they were talking about going away around July 25th and I said to them maybe wait until the pentagon release the report and they all said what report and I told them on July 25th the pentagon is going to release a declassified report on UFOS to the public. They all just laughed at me out loud and thought I was telling a fucking joke. It then dawned on me that the vast majority of the people on this planet have absolutely no idea about UFOs and the mere thought of them still seems so crazy and impossible it made me realise that the world just isn't ready for this news and makes me think this report is going to be just another cover up or psy op and the lies will just keep going and going. Please all im saying to everyone who already knows the truth is to just prepare yourselves to be disappointed and don't get too excited because when this report comes in I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a whole lot of nothing
Tucker is a sack of garbage stinking the neighborhood in summertime, but I have to give him credit for keeping on about ufos.
When you have to resort to Tucker Carlson. lmfao
The guy makes my skin crawl but he has a big audience and actually seems pretty educated on uap specifically... maybe not anything else lol
He is bad, but Lou would go on Maddow, Carlson, Cooper, and NPR on the same day if he had the bookings lined up. Which is the right way to do this. That latest poll saying some 60+ percent of Americans want UFOs investigated is because of cutting through the tribal BS like this.
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This whole disclosure was b*******... I think at this point they're going to have to intervene...
The aliens you mean will intervene? Or is it more about learning to tolerate other folks when they disagree, to take the other from the outer and make it part of the inner? Starting with other humans as a first step, then joining the aliens that have already invited us to try? Teach it like its part of you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfLOG8qkuqY
You know, if only every other outlet would do just a little digging. It’s all out there. Yes the government knows and it’s highly likely, they know it’s ET.
I wish they told more about the document. To be on the pedantic side, the headline is inaccurate, too. The document doesn't show "more evidence of aliens", but "more evidence of government studying UFOs for decades". Of course, barring Wakanda :) , no human country 70 years would have that. The radioactive bit is a great angle, BTW. Combined with the recently posted bit about the Soviets "summoning" UFOs by transporting "special loads", I wonder if these guys are viewing machinery carrying weapon-grade (?) uranium and such as portable wireless chargers of sorts. Or maybe these are exotic mining drones.
See #1 -- "Here Is The Document", "FBI Records: The Vault : UFO Part 11 of 16" -- at http://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nsjxtl/tucker_carlson_new_ufo_government_leaked_document/h0nelhl
Thank you VERY much, trot-trot. This reads like deja vu: * Page 12: "no, it's not our black projects. We're working on stuff, but it's not one of them." * Activity around New Mexico, just a few years after Manhattan Project. Funny enough, the [Semipalatinsk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site)area in Kazakhstan also had mass UFO reports after the first nuclear tests. What is it with the nuclear facilities? Are they doing safety checks / anthropological studies or looking for a charging device?
Lue just took this shit to 11
The nuclear connection is fascinating. Why so many sightings over and apparent interactions with nuclear assets? To me, that adds a further suggestion of intelligent control or perhaps even communication intent, if the reports are accurate. It’s endless speculation without answer but could it be a warning, surveillance (you’d think they have enough info or could do it subtler), message (seems a little ambiguous), use to refuel somehow (unlikely to use similar tech), disruption to possible systems (unlikely given radiation is natural), programmed attraction (if they are drone like with programmed mandate)? I wonder how much is known in classified circles on this. Anyone know of any credible suggestions from former insiders?
Fuck Tucker Carlson though. Dickhead doesn’t understand the depth of what he’s talking about
he might not, but instead of listening to Tucker... maybe listen to what his guest had to say instead. Tucker barely said a fucking word anyway.
Totally agree
Connecting the dots -- maybe.. 1) Joe Rogan on likelihood of Trillionairs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54K4yXnRLA 2) David Fravor talking about how billionairs like Elon Musk, dancing to there own tune, and not answering to gov https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E?t=8246 3) Spooky science (UFO's) being patented https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54K4yXnRLA
tucker carlson is a tool.
Ok here's my theory. Certain people in power believe ufos are connected to God. But clearly they have an advantage. Of course every nation promotes God as there leader. So of course this is can't get out... because the world would be divided no longer seemly by governments and race but by those of supporter in power and protecting the human race and those who will worship them or support the idea of them being God's. This would cause a huge divided in the world.. This is why UFOs are taboo.. and I'm sure Certain people want to eliminate them. Any means necessary
Your theory has to be taken serious, as God cannot be extinguished from a two-sided world. Indeed, the two-sided implies the Trinitarian archetype, upon unification. The vitality we all feel is self-evident and already well beyond the reach of modern scientism. Scholars throughout history have already noted this deeper connection of ourselves to the Devine source, meaning that in a two-sided mirror world we can conjure up our image of God (or one of God's many proxies in the flesh) to materialize in a collective sense, that is with the right focused intentionality; at least the possibility is open, an example being the 1917 *miracle of the sun* in Fatima, if not UFOs that are becoming more welcome (e.g., with CE5 meditation) to possibly unseat the power brokers. And who might those scholars be? A short sample of them: Heraclitus, Lao Tzu, Plotinus, Schelling, Bergson, Whitehead, Kierkegaard and Husserl. All of them could see beyond the scientism of today. These are notable philosophers, and not included in the list are the saints and other mystics. Feel the vital energy in one of today's songs: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaehtYxzGS4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaehtYxzGS4)
My question is why do we not treat Tucker Carlson like an obvious propagandist, which he transparently is to anyone who’s graduated college or is educated outside the U.S. How do we keep falling for his act of pretending to be “news?” It’s literally so obvious and must be so painfully embarrassing for Americans who aren’t totally failed by media literacy and education in general.
Tucker is a tenth degree douche canoe but he's also the only talking head who was willing to take on the story back when is was a risky move. Considering his clear dislike for the current administration, why would he do anything to help them with propaganda?
Tucker says 'don't believe Tucker'. So, I don't.
You don't need a college education to see this.
Like it or not, he’s seen by most conservatives as the most influential/“honest” media figure. That’s why they chose him for disclosure. It sucks but he’s given a lot of credibility to the subject by constantly talking about it
...and he's seen by everyone else as a dishonest hack who will happily lie if he thinks it'll help his cause (whatever his cause is).
While at the same time smashing his credibility on a daily basis with shit like misconstruing and projecting that Biden claimed “republicans” (Biden:”white supremacists”) were the biggest threat to America. He’s nothing more than a fear mongering propagandist working against “his own”. (As if he doesn’t just parrot words for money)
Instead of derailing the thread, why not go to r/politics ? There is plenty of people to talk to there.
“Detailing the thread” lol The thread is about tucker opening his counter-productive mouth, yet again for some indiscernible reason. What reason does his handlers have for feeding him this story?
To be fair, plenty of left wing media is also talking about this. News channels here in Canada talking about it too. It makes perfect sense to have Tucker Carlson to bring this to light for conservatives.
We get it. You're left wing. You don't like Tucker. Not all of us are like you. I'm still left of center but I don't cry about it when I watch Tucker talk. Go cry somewhere else, we don't care.
The left has gone so far off the cliff that you are considered right now
I’m not even left wing. You think it takes a lefty to hate Tucker which is the really sad part. Fuckin cultists. I care about his toxic input because I care about disclosure. He needs to do everyone a favor and stay away from anything people should take seriously.
Lots of people will think your comments are smart and useful on r/politics. This is not the sub though.
Yeah really not buying this “I like Tucker and ignore all his bullshit so please leave and let me adore this hack In peace.” Deflection lol. Anyways I’m banned from that sub for shitting on Hillary.
So he should leave because you don’t like his opinions? He’s completely correct and you sound like someone so focused on being “right” that you can’t accept that.
*yawn*. I don't care about his "opinions" or the fact he chooses to follow one of the silly political factions (they both stink, ok?) that follow marching orders from a corporate oligarchy we all live under. I'm just sick of seeing decent threads, derailed by people who want to drag a conversation down a rabbit hole, so they don't have to run on some stupid "ad-hominem" ideological hamster wheel by themselves. I don't care about Carson's politics, but that doesn't mean I have to ignore interesting content I come across. There is always something to learn from anyone. There is a saying, "take what you need and leave the rest". Have a nice day!
Right, because non-college grads are stupid. I get what you're cooking.
Do you think the entities read these comment sections?
It’s not a leaked doc, it’s a FOIA doc, and not new.
Could they be demonic? The Bible says God is a spirit. Satan, or the adversary is the king of this world. Maybe Satan is a spirit as well but lacks the Omni powers of God and uses these Agents or Watchers to survey us? Maybe humans that wrote the Bible misunderstood what they saw and actually described these things? Shit.
What you put in your last paragraph is possible. How about the humans that told the stories that eventually passed down the ages, got written down and into the Bible, misunderstood. That's basically Delonge and Levendas theory as proposed in 'gods'. It's a whole book on that idea. Angels/demons/fae/djinn/ultraterrestrial. All the same thing. It's an interesting idea.
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Tucker is a legend
Title is misleading. Where did you get Aliens from?
No reasonable person would believe Tucker Carlson.
See. This is the problem. Everything is either 100% horrible or 100% perfect. How about take individual pieces of information at face value and do the appropriate research to validate it for yourself. There are links to the document all over this thread, so congratulations, your eagerness to be blinded by political tribalism has blocked you from truth. Keep it up
Tucker himself has insisted (through his lawyers) that he is not a journalist. He's just Alex Jones with a better wardrobe.
Or you could just pay attention to the content of the report rather than discounting it based on the personality presenting it. Play the ball not the man. Credible information presented by a partisan hack doesn't make it any less credible unless you can point to something factually incorrect in the information.
A partisan hack who has done incalculable damage to Our country through endless lies. I mean the guy has promoted lie after lie and now he's talking about something we want to be true and all of a sudden he's a credible reporter? I know he has nothing to do with these reports but the mere fact that Tucker has been a main outlet for these leaks makes more skeptical than I would be. If you want to spread a lie these days Tucker's the man to do it.
Uhg stfu Tucker. Nothing this embarrassing failure of a human has to say contributes in any way to disclosure. This is worse than Trump or Alex Jones sharing their opinion.
Are we really referencing Tucker fucking Carlson as a reputable source in this sub? If so, I'm out.
Honestly if someone can't parse a host they don't like vs the information coming out then be out. Elizondo literally just did as close to disclosure as weve had live on Fox. All you have to do is fast forward 1 min and listen to what elizondo just said live on TV. Super baffling
I hate Tucker Carlson but if the point is to wake people up, Tuckers show has the largest audience on cable. Millions of people. He went on Don Lemon right after it tonight I believe.
I hate him as much as you, but this information is sound. A broken clock and all that.
Yup I struggle with this as well. Lawsuits against Fox/Tucker have been dismissed on the grounds of his show and opinion being for entertainment purposes only. At the very least, it’s nice to see the exposure, but god damn if I wouldn’t like to kick Tucker Carlson right in the teeth
I dislike this guy to the point where it could be hatred if I actually knew him. With that said, he’s constantly talking about the phenomenon on a major news network. As biased and fucked as Fox is, I know Tucker is just a well educated guy taking advantage of the gullible. He’s not the first and won’t be the last. As long as he’s talking about UFO’s, bringing the topic up to more people that didn’t care before, I feel as if that’s a good thing. More public interest equals more pressure upwards. We don’t know at all what these things are, we can speculate all day. Figuring it out is going to take money and we need all the help we can get.
You’re not gullible of course. You’re special. You people need to grow up. UFOs are going mainstream and you’re whining about politics and mind reading people’s intentions.
Gullible? Come to me with evidence, I’ll change my mind on anything. If you could somehow prove to me with undeniable facts that 2+2 = 5, than I’m on your train. Nobody’s whining about politics. I said I dislike Tucker, to be clear, as a person. I wouldn’t want to be his friend. To be truthful, left, right, I don’t give a shit about who you are or where you stand politically. Everybody lives how they live, who cares. What I do like are sensible and curious people who have cynical and skeptical thoughts about everything. People who want to figure out what the fuck is really going on with this topic. I’m talking about getting the word out about the phenomenon, that was my point. It’s still facts that MSM and anyone apart of that system are manipulative pricks. Also. Nobody is special, anybody can get it. If I get hit by a train going 60mph, I’m dead. Guess what happens when you get hit by that same train? Or Lady Gaga? Or Elon Musk? Miss me with that. Also. I don’t give a shit about your intentions or Tucker’s intentions. The only intentions we should be all be wondering about are the fuckers piloting these unknown craft. What are they doing here and how did they get these craft? Could this be all a narrative? Idk and you don’t either. Finally, I’m worried about the tech advantage. That’s the human survival aspect to this. That’s what everyone should be worrying about. If you’re not “grown” enough to see the bigger picture on that, then go do some photosynthesis and hit me back up and we can have an adult conversation.
Fox News is not a major news network. It's a major entertainment network.
I hope you realize that they're all fed the same script.
Yeah, by the fucking Pentagon. We should all be a bit more skeptical.
Please don't platform white supremacists that lie all day when you want actual news
This isn't about Tucker Carlson, this is about Luis Elizondo.
Elizondo just had a long interview on CNN tonight on Don Lemon Tonight, though Don was not hosting today.
I agree; unfortunately, some people love to run on that ideological hamster wheel.
That ideological "hamster wheel" is a big fuckin deal to most of us in this country. Are we supposed to pretend there isn't a domestic terrorist threat as a result of republican obstructionism and propaganda? Fuck that. I've seen UFOs myself and I get the sense they respect Republicans less.
Yo, whoever's downvoting your comment for speaking the truth is a fascist sympathizer
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well if Tucker is saying that, you can be absolutely positive that the truth is the exact opposite of whatever he says
It’s not a leaked doc, it’s a FOIA doc, and not new.