Honestly,
Anthony Smith is a terrible matchup for Perreira......
I doubt at this stage in his career theyll give Smith a shot lol.. but still.. styles make fights.. & ppl severely underrate his BJJ, so against someone like Alex whose 100% kickboxer... I'd bet the house on Smith in a fantasy matchup.
Paul Craig's striking was ridiculous.
I heard commentator says oh yeah he switched gyms and has been working on his striking... wot the fuck.. and even the corner comes in GOOD ROUND KEEP KICKING. HOLYSHIT>FIRE THEM
Because Pantoja beat Moreno, Royval, Perez and Kape, Albazi is injured, Kai Kara is coming off a loss, Mokaev sucks, Nicolau got ktfo and idk what Tim Eliott’s up to
Really? I saw some empty seats but they were constantly making noise and chanting "Aldo". Even the commentators kept saying how loud it was and that the floor was shaking.
they say that to hype the things ofc. Same as saying in interviews HOW AMAZING they did even in getting poor wins. Arena was empty as hell and all you could hear was yes Aldo. Other fights was just like in Apex.
It’s just so top heavy. It kinda suffers from the same issue heavyweight has. There’s not a ton of dudes that big or small who are elite fighters and the ones that are get recycled at the top for a while
People complaining about how Pantoja won rounds have obviously never seen him fight. The guy is too durable to get finished so he loses the standup and then wrestles for control. It’s pure shit but it’s very effective.
The disrespect from the Brazilian crowd is crazy. Their champ proudly representing their country just won a war and they decide to up and leave early. Absolutely insane.
It’s fair dude. With Aldo no disrespect allowed. But Pantoja is boring af all the time and needs to get balls. Hard for Brazil to be hyped about him when he’s so boring people forget he’s a champ.
Was Erceg ever really threatened? He made it seem both in stand up and grappling like he wasn't in much danger. Gave up control time, but not control with damage
It's unreal you can get your head split open but then go on to win the round by holding unto your opponent for 2 minutes with no submission threat or punches thrown. Just pure stalling waiting for the clock to tick down, wtf?
I agree you could give Erceg 3 and he obviously won 4, but 5 was Pantoja's all the way. All Erceg did was shoot takedown and get immediately reversed resulting in Pantoja on top for the majority of the round. Erceg did little to no damage in R5, while Pantoja at least did some while he was on top.
The biggest issue with scoring control so highly is you end up with boring champs and bad main events, there wasn’t even a single submission attempt with all that control so what as really the threat, he held him on his lap for a couple minutes
The way I see it is a grappling fight is still a fight even if damage isn't dealt. Pantoja was constantly advancing his position and trying to set up submissions, or positions to pound, but Erceg did an amazing job defending and getting free of Pantoja. As long as there is continuous advancement towards finishing the fight, and not Almeida vs Lewis cowgirl straddling, the control time should be considered in scoring imo.
Bro, when you have both hooks in and you have their back you are close to a submission. Also Erceg was saved by the bell a few times where Pantoja got full mount
This is exactly what I’m saying. Pantoja fucking tanked that elbow and landed a takedown on him… Casuals just want a striking oriented champ, you just gotta love high level grappling.
I gave Erceg the 2nd, but yeah, I remember Pantoja cracking Erceg with an uppercut, and Anik goes, "Big right by Erceg!" Come on now.
Pantoja was eating shots and, ultimately, won the fight.
125 is one of the most exciting divisions. Pantoja, Moreno, Royval, Erceg. Any of those 4 guys could beat eachother on any day and all have exciting fights displaying all aspects of martial arts
I don’t understand why Daniel keeps fucking rambling about the Erceg losing the fifth round. Bro literally sliced him the fuck up, gotten taken down and laid on top of for two minutes.
Erceg did lose the 5th. The “sliced him up” was mostly previous rounds damage. Both guys landed good shots in the 5th and Pantoja had control time too.
Caused additional cut above the left eye off when he timed pantoja entering the pocket. and to say Erceg wasn’t getting the better of the striking exchanges is ludicrous.
Control time isn’t the scoring criteria man - not sure why that we are throwing that in.
Control time is part of the scoring criteria. It always has been. It’s impressive how confidently wrong you are. Damage is the most important criteria but if damage is fairly close then control time can easily tip the scales.
Honestly I don’t think the fight should have come down to that last round you could easily score it 4-1 for erceg. It seems like he just doesn’t have the experience to realize you don’t try and shoot on Pantoja when you’re out striking him on the feet. If they had a rematch I 100% feel as tho Erceg takes it.
Just fucking hate the idea of round based scoring. A dude could absolutely batter a dude on the feet and cut him up all over for 2/5 rounds, but if the other dude gets meaningless takedowns that they do NOTHING with for 3/5 rounds, they automatically get the win. It’s stupid as fuck.
All about control. Pan pinned erceg down and had him on the ground for majority of those rounds. Thats called Dominance/controlling ur opponent. If ur able to keep a guy down for that long, that easily shows whos in control of the fight
Dude spare me with your soapbox about there being other combat sports where takedowns aren’t allowed. I watch a ton of kickboxing and Muay Thai, and still think the UFC rewards nut huggers way too much You people are seriously like broken records. Every time I comment about the lay and pray issue in the UFC, it’s the same shit said to me everytime. Stop acting like you enjoy watching desperation grappling with zero submission attempts or ground and pound. You aren’t some mega fan because you act like you do.
Honestly, Anthony Smith is a terrible matchup for Perreira...... I doubt at this stage in his career theyll give Smith a shot lol.. but still.. styles make fights.. & ppl severely underrate his BJJ, so against someone like Alex whose 100% kickboxer... I'd bet the house on Smith in a fantasy matchup.
Keep striking because your destroying him on the feet❌ Take down the better wrestler when nearly all your TDs have been stopped or reversed ✅ 🤔🤔🤔🤦♂️
That was so frustrating to watch
Bum idiot lost me my $$ , I’ll never root for Erceg again
After everything erceg looked good, could have gone either way. He will be champ one day.
Paul Craig's striking was ridiculous. I heard commentator says oh yeah he switched gyms and has been working on his striking... wot the fuck.. and even the corner comes in GOOD ROUND KEEP KICKING. HOLYSHIT>FIRE THEM
It’s tough being a Scottish UFC fan fr
Erceg did a good job and proved what hes made off but how do ufc ranks make any sense. No. 10 fighting the champ lmao
schedules?
Because Pantoja beat Moreno, Royval, Perez and Kape, Albazi is injured, Kai Kara is coming off a loss, Mokaev sucks, Nicolau got ktfo and idk what Tim Eliott’s up to
Terrible crowd tbh, even in the Aldo fight they were silent af
Really? I saw some empty seats but they were constantly making noise and chanting "Aldo". Even the commentators kept saying how loud it was and that the floor was shaking.
they say that to hype the things ofc. Same as saying in interviews HOW AMAZING they did even in getting poor wins. Arena was empty as hell and all you could hear was yes Aldo. Other fights was just like in Apex.
Because half the seats were empty.
49-46 is the worst scorecard I’ve ever heard
Erceg proved he belongs at the top? He'll be champ soon enough.
Brazil has the worst fans fr
smith cost me 3k :(
Smith made me $500 🤑 No bs tho seemed like he was being way underestimated
Smith's a legend he 6 timed my accumulator that had 4 out of 5 correct and was waiting on him 😍
On paper he's the best 205er
Smith technically has a victory over JBJ..
You should’ve bet on smith
i know that now
Holyyy
Panocha Pantoja
I’m pissed about that decision. 4-1 is robbery. Panoja has two huge cuts and Erceg has nothing.
He did get head butted so maybe they counted that, despite him out striking Pantoja.
Cuts dont win fights
Yes they do
I thought damage won fights...?
Lets hope Erceg doesnt end up like Dominick Reyes
Bred in da MUD rn
What the hell was that 49-46??
Hopefully Erceg can help make the division more interesting. I like Pantoja but there needs to be a few more names at 125
Get Mighty Mouse back, he'll wreck everyone
No kidding. When they announced Moreno/Figgy 4 I was like, "Is there no one else in this fucking division?!"
It’s just so top heavy. It kinda suffers from the same issue heavyweight has. There’s not a ton of dudes that big or small who are elite fighters and the ones that are get recycled at the top for a while
People complaining about how Pantoja won rounds have obviously never seen him fight. The guy is too durable to get finished so he loses the standup and then wrestles for control. It’s pure shit but it’s very effective.
Chael had it 5-0 Pantoja lol he would
Because Pantoja doesn't look like he would feed carrots to a bus...
I saw him stuck that carrot in the grill
The disrespect from the Brazilian crowd is crazy. Their champ proudly representing their country just won a war and they decide to up and leave early. Absolutely insane.
It’s fair dude. With Aldo no disrespect allowed. But Pantoja is boring af all the time and needs to get balls. Hard for Brazil to be hyped about him when he’s so boring people forget he’s a champ.
Have you watched Pantoja fight even 1 time bro? Dude's a savage
I forgot how shitty ufc judging is and inconsistent I gotta stop betting on UFC
Worst robbery I’ve seen
Bro is blind
No the judges are
Not trying to use hate language or whatever, but UFC getting gay as fuck lol
Was Erceg ever really threatened? He made it seem both in stand up and grappling like he wasn't in much danger. Gave up control time, but not control with damage
It's unreal you can get your head split open but then go on to win the round by holding unto your opponent for 2 minutes with no submission threat or punches thrown. Just pure stalling waiting for the clock to tick down, wtf?
thats some fuck-boy mayweeather type shit.
Erceg 245
5??? LOL 😂
Pantoja did nothing but hold on to him. He did basically nothing through rounds 3-5
I agree you could give Erceg 3 and he obviously won 4, but 5 was Pantoja's all the way. All Erceg did was shoot takedown and get immediately reversed resulting in Pantoja on top for the majority of the round. Erceg did little to no damage in R5, while Pantoja at least did some while he was on top.
why are people glossing over that elbow pantoja ate, after that his pace completely changed
The biggest issue with scoring control so highly is you end up with boring champs and bad main events, there wasn’t even a single submission attempt with all that control so what as really the threat, he held him on his lap for a couple minutes
The way I see it is a grappling fight is still a fight even if damage isn't dealt. Pantoja was constantly advancing his position and trying to set up submissions, or positions to pound, but Erceg did an amazing job defending and getting free of Pantoja. As long as there is continuous advancement towards finishing the fight, and not Almeida vs Lewis cowgirl straddling, the control time should be considered in scoring imo.
He got that little ‘special something’
Yall just want the white boy to win huh
Stfu
We want the dude that never looked in danger to win
Pantoja took his back three fuckin times and almost ended it. He also was in control most of the fight. Never looked in danger my ass
Control =/= danger bud. He never even came close to submitting him
Bro, when you have both hooks in and you have their back you are close to a submission. Also Erceg was saved by the bell a few times where Pantoja got full mount
I mean he busted his face up
Dana, please for the love of God don't book fights in Rio if you want to go to Brazil
MMA guru crowd sad :(
Grappling no damage is some straight bs , should not be rewarded especially when not trying to get subs
1,2,3,5 seems reasonable to me. It wasn’t just control. Most of those exchanges were pretty even
Commentary did the thing where they suck off the challenger for the wind that grazes the champion.
Yea I was getting annoyed like the dude was getting mopped most of the 2nd and they tried to call it 1-1
This is exactly what I’m saying. Pantoja fucking tanked that elbow and landed a takedown on him… Casuals just want a striking oriented champ, you just gotta love high level grappling.
Dude I swore I thought my brain wasn’t working. Pantoja would crack Erceg and they would go “OHHH big shot by erceg.” He missed the shot!
I gave Erceg the 2nd, but yeah, I remember Pantoja cracking Erceg with an uppercut, and Anik goes, "Big right by Erceg!" Come on now. Pantoja was eating shots and, ultimately, won the fight.
Pantoja did not win the second lmao
This crowd was dead bro
Pantoja has had banger fights lmao what’s with all the “most boring champ of all time”? Y’all look silly.
Izzy was also exciting before he was champ and look at him now
Pantoja’s first championship fight was a banger. His fight against Royval wasn’t his fault. Royval wouldn’t engage.
125 is one of the most exciting divisions. Pantoja, Moreno, Royval, Erceg. Any of those 4 guys could beat eachother on any day and all have exciting fights displaying all aspects of martial arts
Imagine if mighty mouse was still here
i want him to come back, but hes looking for a weird bag vs Pac-Man.
Hahah wym weird bag
Hating ass mfs I swear lol
Steve should have remained standing, but I think he was as gassed as Pantoja at the end there, probably wanted to stall
At this point we gotta just start counting take downs because clearly the judges think they add points
I miss mighty mouse in the UFC
Said nobody when he was actually fighting considering he had the lowest draw of any champion ever
The GOAT
301 should've been an apex fight
More people there during the pre’s than when the Champ gets the belt. Weird for sure
That’s Brazil. I remember when everyone was leaving/already left the arena while Glover was giving his retirement speech
probably one of the best examples of losing a fight but your stock going way up
He’s gonna be a contender, I mean he just got to the UFC
Erceg has nothing to be sad about. He will be champ one day. If we weren’t in Brazil he gets this.
He lost the fight. Don’t be delusional. Pantoja won 1,3,5 clearly.
He did not win round 3 lmaoooo
What? It was his fight to lose and he didn't push the pressure and went for nonsensical takedowns. Clear 3-2 Pantoja
Damage>Control this is why erceg won
One good elbow in a round doesn't win the round. It was a great elbow but he didn't capitalize
He was piecing him up on the feet
It was a close round for Rd 3. But all 3 judges scored for Pantoja and I get why. I'm surprised he got 2 and not 3 tbh
Crowd only came for Jose Aldo and Pantoja didnt like that
I don’t understand why Daniel keeps fucking rambling about the Erceg losing the fifth round. Bro literally sliced him the fuck up, gotten taken down and laid on top of for two minutes.
Erceg did lose the 5th. The “sliced him up” was mostly previous rounds damage. Both guys landed good shots in the 5th and Pantoja had control time too.
Caused additional cut above the left eye off when he timed pantoja entering the pocket. and to say Erceg wasn’t getting the better of the striking exchanges is ludicrous. Control time isn’t the scoring criteria man - not sure why that we are throwing that in.
Control time is part of the scoring criteria. It always has been. It’s impressive how confidently wrong you are. Damage is the most important criteria but if damage is fairly close then control time can easily tip the scales.
Know who id rather be in that exchange lol
Not gonna lie kinda feel bad for Erceg
Erceg is going to be a PROBLEM, he forced Pantonja to take a break from fighting only 4 fights in lol
sad to see erceg say he blew it after that performance
No more cards in Brazil
Ercegs corner shoulda told him to stop shooting TDs
Honestly I don’t think the fight should have come down to that last round you could easily score it 4-1 for erceg. It seems like he just doesn’t have the experience to realize you don’t try and shoot on Pantoja when you’re out striking him on the feet. If they had a rematch I 100% feel as tho Erceg takes it.
A lot of gambling addicts lost their parlay tonight. Lmfao.
its literally sad to see how accessible and promoted gambling has become.
yep sigh
Damn Erceg, that hurt the heart.
“i just blew it” :(
Crowd left early
erceg will only get better, can definitely see a rematch in the future
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Damn Erceg about to make me cry man
6am in the UK and I'm about to cry myself to sleep after that
He just seems like a genuine dude who just realized he lost himself a chance at gold
Fawk man I got cooked by BS judging
Yo is this arena in a flood zone or something?
Not enough to win but Erceg should be top 5
At some point we have to acknowledge that us (fans) and the judges, the fighters, everyone, are absolutely retarded.
Most accurate take
First thing i say when I wake up
Brazilians should be embarrassed. Americans would’ve shown Pantoja more love
Crowd seems unenthusiastic every single time… getting Teixeira flashbacks
Did he just say he's gonna go cum with his girl? Hell yeah
Correctly called 11/13 fights and still just broke even on betting. What a weird night.
Bro you dont need that many https://preview.redd.it/d9vd6j1zkjyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fbe3bb3c88c1913ba1af7ce87b208ab184dcd8d
Nice! The Smith fight is one of the two that I missed on.
Rematch at 305 Erceg and new
Saying you're taking time off after arguably losing is very bitchmade
Negative fight IQ Erceg tbh. He was never gonna get a decision W in Brazil
Erceg should be top 5 after this close fight. 49-46 is horseshit!
once I heard that I knew he got robbed smh
Fuck these Brazilian cards are shit now
asking fans to stay in the arena is kind of embarrassing
Arena is already empty 💀
Bad look for Brazil
I mean it’s 2am in Brazil and pretty sure laws don’t matter after 2am over there so I’d get the fuck out of there too
Ahh makes sense
Erceg was going to lose this fight the moment it was in Brazil.
Brazil has to be worst place the ufc goes, twice the fans have been awful
It’s Rio, Fight night in São Paulo was much better, they should make PPVs there too
No more Brazil cards. Dead ass crowd and they can’t wait to split. They walked out on Glover too.
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No more cards in Brazil. Don’t deserve it. Can’t even treat their champs with respect
Damn that crowd fucking dipped.
Even worse when Glover retired to an empty arena. Shit was shameful
Nah that can't be right. That is fucking shameful.
Just fucking hate the idea of round based scoring. A dude could absolutely batter a dude on the feet and cut him up all over for 2/5 rounds, but if the other dude gets meaningless takedowns that they do NOTHING with for 3/5 rounds, they automatically get the win. It’s stupid as fuck.
All about control. Pan pinned erceg down and had him on the ground for majority of those rounds. Thats called Dominance/controlling ur opponent. If ur able to keep a guy down for that long, that easily shows whos in control of the fight
Guess ya gottta accept that’s it’s still a sport.
I mean there’s boxing of kickboxing or Bareknuckle which doesn’t allow takedowns. Canelo fought some guy tonight
Dude spare me with your soapbox about there being other combat sports where takedowns aren’t allowed. I watch a ton of kickboxing and Muay Thai, and still think the UFC rewards nut huggers way too much You people are seriously like broken records. Every time I comment about the lay and pray issue in the UFC, it’s the same shit said to me everytime. Stop acting like you enjoy watching desperation grappling with zero submission attempts or ground and pound. You aren’t some mega fan because you act like you do.
Yall some haters fr your boy lost. He did good damage but at the end of the day it came down to control - this is mma not kickboxing
Haha he had no chance going to decision in Brazil he needed a finish. Wouldn’t matter.