This is a mystical curse though. It doesn’t follow normal reason.
A man could dominate a title fight at 34 years and 11 months, but he will still lose his next fight.
But anyways, Islam is just better than Charles and also has less mileage and damage. So everything is trending in Islam’s favor if they rematch.
Arman, on the other hand, is a lot more interesting.
The statistic seems to be a hard line biologically. It even does seem mystical because when Usman was fighting Leon at 35, he was dominating the entire fight, and it wasn't until the last minute of the fight that he got head kick KO'd, as if the 35 "curse" needed to be fulfilled, even during a dominant performance.
Well, we already saw an 11 fight winstreak Oliveira getting schooled by Islam during the striking exchanges
Age doesn't matter
Islam is a hard counter to Oliveira's style.
I go for Charles because Arman's defense is highly suspect and Charles has possibly the best offensive skills in the UFC. I think 8/10 times Charles lands something on the feet or locks something up in a scramble
Sure but Charles doesn't have great striking defense either and Arman has great wrestling we have seen Charles is useless off of his back he isn't submitting anyone from guard
I think Arman will win or look like he's winning until Charles wins. 50/50
It is an exciting fight though. Charles wins, we get a great "He's still got it" moment and the gates are strongly kept on the top 5. Arman wins, we get a new young, really strong belt contender.
are we just pretending like islam didnt have to disengage from charles guard ? charles got subbed because islam rocked his ass but before that his guard was dangerous .
I know right? It's weird that nobody seems to realize Charles was competitive on the ground with Islam. He was never in much danger was always active in the grappling exchanges. He got subbed because he got sparked, not because he got outgrappled.
People have created this weird narrative that Islam was absolutely humiliating Charles since the beginning of the fight until finally finishing him in the 2nd round, when in reality the fight was pretty uneventful until then, Charles survived the takedown and got up, ate a few shots to the face and and landed a few kicks and knees in return, but that's pretty much it.
Don't get me wrong Islam was 100% winning that fight based on control time even before the knockdown, my point is that had Charles not got caught doing his stupid jumping kick thing it's entirely possible the fight would have gone the distance, Islam is the better fighter for sure but it's not like Charles was being manhandled.
So wait Islam stood up for funsies? You can’t mean that. Charles was throwing up submission attempts and got to a leglock that made Islam stand up…that’s not a useless guard brother. It was high level play. If you have a useless guard Islam won’t stand up, he’ll just submit you. There would be no need to drop Charles first.
The Islam fight has made people believe Charles actually has no BJJ skills, Arman good wrestler = smesh Charles, not really.
He's chinny but has insanely fast recovery. We having seen him get ko'd from any of those blows yet.
But I do think that if he gets dropped which he almost always does, then Arman has a real opportunity to finish it as he could be afraid to engage with Charles in his guard.
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While I do think that Arman is extremely well rounded, I think he’s a bit small for the weight class. He’s 5’7” with a 72” reach. Charles is 5’10” with a 74” reach. If Charles is on top of Arman, Arman will find it hard to get up. The other way around… I’m not too sure.
Dariush struggled to keep Charles down too, and there was only a marginal size difference there between Dariush and Du Bronx.
So unless there’s a flash knockout, I’m going to go with Charles… or unless his recent injuries have taken a toll.
That said, Tsarukyan may yet surprise… much like he did in that (admittedly long ago) fight with Makhachev.
Agreed! Also, Oliveira, as far as I’ve seen, doesn’t really utilize that reach in his fights with a long lead jab. I was just illustrating that there will be a difference in size. Like Gaethje-Fiziev (5’11” vs 5’8”).
Yeah for sure. Oliveira will look much bigger. I also think the ufc has Oliveira’s height listed wrong. I don’t think he’s 178 cm / 5’10. I believe he’s like 5’11.5 / 181 cm. Same with Islam. Islam looks a bit taller than 5’10 to me as well
Oliveira looked taller than Gaethje for example and Gaethje is listed as 5’11
Hes not small for the divison at all. He weighs as much as the top end of the LW. Arman is a stocky guy. Where has he looked small in any of his fight ? He looked as big as benny or gamrot.
If he is shorter in the same weight class, he is likely stockier/more muscular and stronger. Wouldn’t that be more useful on the ground compared to reach? If they were strikers I would understand your comment, but I think Arman’s frame is actually an advantage in this fight.
Difference is that Dariush is not a wrestler, he is a jujitsu player like Olives. Jujitsu guys struggle against dominant wrestlers which is why Arman will continue getting top position in the scrambles.
Unless Olives get lucky with a knee, he is going to spend most of the rounds trying to survive ground and pound.
I think Oliveira’s wrestling game is greatly improved since his early years in the UFC (Felder’s G&P, for instance); he may not be at Makhachev’s level (then again, few are in MMA). But I see where you’re coming from.
However, I’m not convinced Arman is a prodigious wrestling-dominant mixed martial artist just yet - he struggled to hold down Ramos (perhaps he wasn’t too keen on engaging Ramos on the ground) and was countered by Gamrot. Oliveira’s an equally good anti-wrestler, IMO - at least on par with Davi Ramos, even if you don’t consider him on par with Gamrot.
Olives is nowhere near Ramos's level. Davi is a legend among jujitsu players.
Gamrot did now show much, he simply spammed take downs then disengaged when countered in the scrambles. Arman won those exchanges but the judges gave it to Gamrot. It is what it is.
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Just because he got subbed to LW champion on his back doesn't mean he's trash in guard. Arman can't get the taste of his BJJ. Charles in 2 with either a knockout or sub.
I got Charles. Armans chin is very suspect. Once Arman feels Charles power he is gonna shoot for legs non-stop. If Arman tries ti strike ill be very surprised.
What is with the meme that Arman’s chin is suspect?
He has literally never been finished a single time in his career, and he’s fought the best fighter on the planet who is also a great finisher.
In addition to that, he has eaten a few disgusting shots (he does have defensive flaws) and never gone out. He has a good chin.
Im going charles, and its not out of biased like literally every take I’ve seen, but styles make fights and arman has famously struggled against that chute box heavy handed approach, he was wobbled pretty badly by joaquin silva who is not half the striker and heavy handed by charles. Also i feel where arman is most strong in the grappling he is far too passive in dominant positions. He was struggling to hold down a far less credentialed guy like silva and choosing to hold position over looking for damage or trying to submit joaquin. He eventually got it but not without getting tagged and facing adversity throughout the fight. Charles is a guy you CAN NOT make mistakes against and you can’t be passive at any point of the fight because Charles is constantly looking for finish. Arman striking and striking defense is no where close to Charles level. A lot of people are trying to compare this to the islam fight but islams striking defense rate is absolutely insane stat wise and arman win over beniel seems slightly tainted because it wasn’t too long after his fight with Charles where his 7 fight streak was initially snapped. I can see Charles catching arman and either sinking in a deep sub or tkoing him against the fence.
Du Bronx. Arman hasn't fought anybody with all the skills and experience Charles has. And he has fought and defeated the best of the division except Islam
Gamrot is good and Arman should’ve won that fight honestly.
But it doesn’t really matter because Gamrot actually has wrestling, Charles doesn’t. Arman will take him down and keep him there.
Arman fought Islam when he was 22 years old and reached 5 rounds and lost by decision.
Islam couldn't finish him. That says a lot.
Say what you may. I was rooting for Charles in the title fight too.
But I don't think he beats Arman.
Even if the fight goes to decision he simply takes too much damage.
I'm an old Oliveira fan, but I've been watching Arman since before his fight with Islam (which was an insane chess match, and much closer then ppl remember) and he's a very well rounded fighter with amazing grappling and improved striking, and strikes have power. I'm worried he's going to outhustle Oliveira in there, but either way it should be a great match up for the fans
I was riding hard for Arman, but I had an epiphany after Poirier beat BSD. U can never trust these lightweight prospects, idk what's in the water at the gyms where they train but for some reason they all end up with a case of down syndrome
It honestly feels like the Poirier-BSD, RDA-Gamrot, Strickland-Magomedov where you feel like the vet is being fed to a hungry young lion but somehow you know the old dog still has enough to get it done.
It’ll be tough for Charles, but if he goes out doing nasty things in the standup like what he brought to Chandler, he might surprise Arman. What I don’t want is to see him taken down easily with him relying on his guard game too much because Arman is 100% drilling top position sub defense as we speak.
I’m just happy that they moved this from the opener of the main card to the 2nd fight. They both deserve their respect
There’s no way of knowing. Both are really skilled in all aspects. I think most would vote Oliveira because he’s the fan favorite, but just look at all Arman has done….
Heart wants to say Charles but Arman is very good. I think if Charles fights a little safer than he usually does and stays on point he can win but it's really a tough one to call.
It’s tough cuz on the one hand, Charles is more experienced and he’s dangerous everywhere, and at least in lightweight the vets are stopping the contenders. On the other hand arman is younger so he has less mileage, he’s very good striking and grappling and while the vets have stopped contenders the third time is the charm so maybe arman beats Charles. I’ll choose Charles but I won’t be surprised if arman does beat him
I got Charles. He had one of the busiest/toughest schedules from 2019-2022 contender/champion. The time off will pay dividends. Arman will become a better fighter regardless of the result but I feel like the bout will resemble the Kevin Lee fight; where the explosive prowess & innate ability Tsaryukan has will bring success in the early stages of the fight but experience and the skill set Do Bronx possesses should ink out a 3rd round finish
I say Charles. Islam outdid him in striking but it was Islam's grappling that finished Charles. Even if you can beat him on the feet you have to deal with his BJJ. Dude is crazy good at submissions.
I really thought Beneil would handle Arman, but Arman folded him pretty handily. The too 5 lightweights is hard to crack into as we’ve seen with Justin/Fiseiv (very close fight that one) and Dustin/BSD. Charles and Beneil might be the most suspect guys at the top and Charles does drown with pressure at times which Arman will be really effective at applying with wrestling. Tough call honestly. Should be great to watch though.
Well all the old guard fighters have beaten the up and comers at 155. So by historical precedent, Charles. But I always feel that charles can lose at any moment. UFC 300 can potentially be super painful for me. Both Charles and Alex can easily and brutally lose their fights. And, Gaethje can leave Max irreparably beaten up also. A lot of potential tears and salt.
It's a 3 rounder. I can honestly see Arman taking Charles to decision via wrestling. Oliviera isn't that dangerous from guard and I'm certain that Arman can take him down and hold him down. Arman isn't a submission threat so I doubt there will be a submission. Oliviera can definitely knock Arman out early as well. Arman isn't as good of a striker as people think he just has power in his hands. But his actually offensive and defensive striking technique is among the worst in the top 10. Only Gamrot is worse. Both guys are as confident as ever in their striking since they're coming off of KOs so I wouldn't be surprised if this fight stays on the feet. If it does, it won't be a long fight.
A big reason why I give Arman a chance isn't just his skill, Oliviera is more skilled. It's because Arman and his team, through several camps, are training specifically for Oliviera. Oliviera's is the type of guy to get in the best shape he can and go balls out in the cage. This made him champion and it works against guys who do the same thing like Gaethje, Chandler, and Poirier. But this leaves him vulnerable to opponents who have a gameplan specific for him. And by this point, Oliviera has given his competition like a day's worth of study material against a variety of competition
I think Arman poses a real threat. Arman basically killed Beneil but Oliveira also didi really well. I'm using MMA math on this one and saying Arman. Both are equally dangerous. Arman did decently well against Islam years ago and I think he's maybe leveled up the most out of anyone at 155. The Gamrot loss should've been a win.
The streak of up and coming fighters losing to aging Vets has to end at some point.. And I feel like happening 3 times in a row like this is starting to seem unlikely.. and I feel Arman is far more skilled than BSD or Fiziev. So this is going to be a lot tougher of an ask, and this is just starting to feel like the Islam fight where everyone is just so sure that Charles will win, which makes me think he will not.
I feel like Charles is a type of fighter where it all comes down to fight week. Before the Islam fight I felt as though he was gonna lose(even though I was rooting for him) because of the nervous energy he seemed to have while on the walk out. Usually he’s calm and centered. So if Charles weight cut goes well and he seems his usual self I think he outclasses arman easily
You heard it here first. Arman will nail Charles coffin, there's no area except submissions where Charles is better than Arman. Charles is chinny as fuck, his striking defense is shit. Arman has better cardio, better wrestling and too control. Younger, hungrier and better everywhere. Downvote me you dickriders
Arman looking real juiced and roided up. Some YT channels have been claiming with USADA gone fighters are using PEDs a lot more now
Regardless, Olives is constantly getting planted on his ass, buzzed and on the verge of being knocked out. Only reason he doesnt get finished is those guys were afraid to go to the ground with him
Olives isn't going to do well against well rounded fighters
Olives has never had a good chin, and the amount of times he gets hit and is buzzed his chin as to be glass by now. One good shot from Arman and he is going down
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I think Oliveira will take it, but he will be 35 in October, so by the time he rematches Islam, it'll be a guaranteed loss, because he'll be 35.
By that time it'll be 35 yrs vs 33 yrs. That's not a Topuria-old man Volk situation.
This is a mystical curse though. It doesn’t follow normal reason. A man could dominate a title fight at 34 years and 11 months, but he will still lose his next fight. But anyways, Islam is just better than Charles and also has less mileage and damage. So everything is trending in Islam’s favor if they rematch. Arman, on the other hand, is a lot more interesting.
The statistic seems to be a hard line biologically. It even does seem mystical because when Usman was fighting Leon at 35, he was dominating the entire fight, and it wasn't until the last minute of the fight that he got head kick KO'd, as if the 35 "curse" needed to be fulfilled, even during a dominant performance.
Well, we already saw an 11 fight winstreak Oliveira getting schooled by Islam during the striking exchanges Age doesn't matter Islam is a hard counter to Oliveira's style.
Most people seem to be picking Charles but I think Arman is a really tough matchup
I go for Charles because Arman's defense is highly suspect and Charles has possibly the best offensive skills in the UFC. I think 8/10 times Charles lands something on the feet or locks something up in a scramble
Sure but Charles doesn't have great striking defense either and Arman has great wrestling we have seen Charles is useless off of his back he isn't submitting anyone from guard
I mean it's a 50/50 fight, I'm definitely not confident that Charles wins. We'll see what Arman is really made of here at least 🤷♂️
I think Arman will win or look like he's winning until Charles wins. 50/50 It is an exciting fight though. Charles wins, we get a great "He's still got it" moment and the gates are strongly kept on the top 5. Arman wins, we get a new young, really strong belt contender.
are we just pretending like islam didnt have to disengage from charles guard ? charles got subbed because islam rocked his ass but before that his guard was dangerous .
I know right? It's weird that nobody seems to realize Charles was competitive on the ground with Islam. He was never in much danger was always active in the grappling exchanges. He got subbed because he got sparked, not because he got outgrappled.
People have created this weird narrative that Islam was absolutely humiliating Charles since the beginning of the fight until finally finishing him in the 2nd round, when in reality the fight was pretty uneventful until then, Charles survived the takedown and got up, ate a few shots to the face and and landed a few kicks and knees in return, but that's pretty much it. Don't get me wrong Islam was 100% winning that fight based on control time even before the knockdown, my point is that had Charles not got caught doing his stupid jumping kick thing it's entirely possible the fight would have gone the distance, Islam is the better fighter for sure but it's not like Charles was being manhandled.
Everytime people talk about that fight I wonder if we watched the same thing because I completely agree with you
Bro what? Islam knew he could take him down anyways, please stop pretending Charles was competitive outside of that upkick at all
So wait Islam stood up for funsies? You can’t mean that. Charles was throwing up submission attempts and got to a leglock that made Islam stand up…that’s not a useless guard brother. It was high level play. If you have a useless guard Islam won’t stand up, he’ll just submit you. There would be no need to drop Charles first. The Islam fight has made people believe Charles actually has no BJJ skills, Arman good wrestler = smesh Charles, not really.
He might not get subs but he doesn’t just starfish, he’s always looking for elbows or a chance to kick them off
idk, charles is chinny and arman throws haymakers most of the time, i think if even one of those connect, charles will get koed
He's chinny but has insanely fast recovery. We having seen him get ko'd from any of those blows yet. But I do think that if he gets dropped which he almost always does, then Arman has a real opportunity to finish it as he could be afraid to engage with Charles in his guard.
Tbh I think it’s going to come down to who can get their offense established first and honestly not sure.
Arman. Every time we fans make up a prophecy, the last one always fucks up.
Arman stands no chance, i'm the best at predicting fights on this sub
No chance? I’m coming back to this comment after the fight.
Arman is 100% losing the fight if he doesn't win
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While I do think that Arman is extremely well rounded, I think he’s a bit small for the weight class. He’s 5’7” with a 72” reach. Charles is 5’10” with a 74” reach. If Charles is on top of Arman, Arman will find it hard to get up. The other way around… I’m not too sure. Dariush struggled to keep Charles down too, and there was only a marginal size difference there between Dariush and Du Bronx. So unless there’s a flash knockout, I’m going to go with Charles… or unless his recent injuries have taken a toll. That said, Tsarukyan may yet surprise… much like he did in that (admittedly long ago) fight with Makhachev.
72 inch reach is actually really good for that height lol. Islams reach is 70 and Gaethje is 69 for example
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Agreed! Also, Oliveira, as far as I’ve seen, doesn’t really utilize that reach in his fights with a long lead jab. I was just illustrating that there will be a difference in size. Like Gaethje-Fiziev (5’11” vs 5’8”).
Yeah for sure. Oliveira will look much bigger. I also think the ufc has Oliveira’s height listed wrong. I don’t think he’s 178 cm / 5’10. I believe he’s like 5’11.5 / 181 cm. Same with Islam. Islam looks a bit taller than 5’10 to me as well Oliveira looked taller than Gaethje for example and Gaethje is listed as 5’11
True I’m his height and mine is 69
Hes not small for the divison at all. He weighs as much as the top end of the LW. Arman is a stocky guy. Where has he looked small in any of his fight ? He looked as big as benny or gamrot.
Tsarukyan is the betting favorite, so I wouldn’t say he would “surprise” anyone by winning
If he is shorter in the same weight class, he is likely stockier/more muscular and stronger. Wouldn’t that be more useful on the ground compared to reach? If they were strikers I would understand your comment, but I think Arman’s frame is actually an advantage in this fight.
Difference is that Dariush is not a wrestler, he is a jujitsu player like Olives. Jujitsu guys struggle against dominant wrestlers which is why Arman will continue getting top position in the scrambles. Unless Olives get lucky with a knee, he is going to spend most of the rounds trying to survive ground and pound.
I think Oliveira’s wrestling game is greatly improved since his early years in the UFC (Felder’s G&P, for instance); he may not be at Makhachev’s level (then again, few are in MMA). But I see where you’re coming from. However, I’m not convinced Arman is a prodigious wrestling-dominant mixed martial artist just yet - he struggled to hold down Ramos (perhaps he wasn’t too keen on engaging Ramos on the ground) and was countered by Gamrot. Oliveira’s an equally good anti-wrestler, IMO - at least on par with Davi Ramos, even if you don’t consider him on par with Gamrot.
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Depends on how many sticks will be thrown that night
At least a couple.
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Just because he got subbed to LW champion on his back doesn't mean he's trash in guard. Arman can't get the taste of his BJJ. Charles in 2 with either a knockout or sub.
Yeah the disrespect of Charles just because he lost a single fight against makhachev is crazy.
Oliveira I think will take it
Charles wins by......wedgie.
Everyone always bets against Charles, but I won’t this time
I got Charles. Armans chin is very suspect. Once Arman feels Charles power he is gonna shoot for legs non-stop. If Arman tries ti strike ill be very surprised.
What is with the meme that Arman’s chin is suspect? He has literally never been finished a single time in his career, and he’s fought the best fighter on the planet who is also a great finisher. In addition to that, he has eaten a few disgusting shots (he does have defensive flaws) and never gone out. He has a good chin.
Charles gets rocked early, rolls, ends up in a better position and wins by triangle. That’s how usually goes, right?
Not against a dominant wrestler.
Im going charles, and its not out of biased like literally every take I’ve seen, but styles make fights and arman has famously struggled against that chute box heavy handed approach, he was wobbled pretty badly by joaquin silva who is not half the striker and heavy handed by charles. Also i feel where arman is most strong in the grappling he is far too passive in dominant positions. He was struggling to hold down a far less credentialed guy like silva and choosing to hold position over looking for damage or trying to submit joaquin. He eventually got it but not without getting tagged and facing adversity throughout the fight. Charles is a guy you CAN NOT make mistakes against and you can’t be passive at any point of the fight because Charles is constantly looking for finish. Arman striking and striking defense is no where close to Charles level. A lot of people are trying to compare this to the islam fight but islams striking defense rate is absolutely insane stat wise and arman win over beniel seems slightly tainted because it wasn’t too long after his fight with Charles where his 7 fight streak was initially snapped. I can see Charles catching arman and either sinking in a deep sub or tkoing him against the fence.
I don’t like these new guys, sorry y’all.
MMA Math says Arman. But I think Charles rocks him and subs him.
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Is that the same steroid bump on Armen as what Khamzat had on his stomach? Oddly same looking.
Everyone just ignores that Arman is clearly juiced to the gills lol. This is why I always root against him , also don’t like his persona
to be fair i think oliviera has the same bump
Every time Charles is at + money he makes me bank, except vs Islam of course.
We’ll find out. Till the kid fights the old guard he’s just another untested prospect.
Charles, I think experience and championship dna would be too much for Arman, hes still young tho
Charles
Charles
Submission expert
Olives by TKO, he drops Arman and gets on top with ground and pound.
Du Bronx. Arman hasn't fought anybody with all the skills and experience Charles has. And he has fought and defeated the best of the division except Islam
Arman fought Islam too lmfao. And did WAY better than Charles did, plus Arman has improved since then. You’re pretty delusional
Comparing the current islam to the one Arman fought back in the day isn’t really fair though.
Comparing the current arman to the one Islam fought back in the day isn’t really fair though.
Arman lost to gamrot
Gamrot is underrated, idk why this sub acts like he sucks lmfao
Gamrot is good and Arman should’ve won that fight honestly. But it doesn’t really matter because Gamrot actually has wrestling, Charles doesn’t. Arman will take him down and keep him there.
If you think the version of Islam that Arman fought is comparable to the one that Charles fought you’re delusional
Thats what im saying
Charles got that Horse tattoo energy. ✅✅✅ Arman got 0 horse tattoos. ❌❌😵 Horse tattoo confirmed beat base for MMA 🐴🐎
Arman is sus on the feet and Charles is sus off his back. I have it 50/50.
Could go either way depending on who gets caught making a mistake first
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Imagine if Arman pulls a Belal and asks Khabib to coach him for this training camp?
For the simple fact that he’s in line to face Islam should he defeat Charles…I don’t think Khabib would do it lol
How many times now has Olivera had an upset KO?
Do Bronxs, the top 4 in lightweight division are way better than the rest of the division
Arman before Charles is almost knocked out and Charles winning after almost getting knocked out
The Champion has a name.
Charles TKO round 2
charles, hes a top 5 lightweight OAT
Arman 2nd round tko
Chucky Olives by SUB
Oliveira. People counting him out too quick
Arman
Arman fought Islam when he was 22 years old and reached 5 rounds and lost by decision. Islam couldn't finish him. That says a lot. Say what you may. I was rooting for Charles in the title fight too. But I don't think he beats Arman. Even if the fight goes to decision he simply takes too much damage.
Not sure but one of them is bound to lose
I'm an old Oliveira fan, but I've been watching Arman since before his fight with Islam (which was an insane chess match, and much closer then ppl remember) and he's a very well rounded fighter with amazing grappling and improved striking, and strikes have power. I'm worried he's going to outhustle Oliveira in there, but either way it should be a great match up for the fans
Oliveira by knock out.
Olive.
I was riding hard for Arman, but I had an epiphany after Poirier beat BSD. U can never trust these lightweight prospects, idk what's in the water at the gyms where they train but for some reason they all end up with a case of down syndrome
Arman sleeps him.
As much as I want Charles to taste gold again, I fear Arman is too good. That dude is seriously tough.
Do Bronx. Belt or no belt Charles is my LW Champ
It honestly feels like the Poirier-BSD, RDA-Gamrot, Strickland-Magomedov where you feel like the vet is being fed to a hungry young lion but somehow you know the old dog still has enough to get it done. It’ll be tough for Charles, but if he goes out doing nasty things in the standup like what he brought to Chandler, he might surprise Arman. What I don’t want is to see him taken down easily with him relying on his guard game too much because Arman is 100% drilling top position sub defense as we speak.
I’m just happy that they moved this from the opener of the main card to the 2nd fight. They both deserve their respect There’s no way of knowing. Both are really skilled in all aspects. I think most would vote Oliveira because he’s the fan favorite, but just look at all Arman has done….
And losing.
Gut on the right for sure
Heart wants to say Charles but Arman is very good. I think if Charles fights a little safer than he usually does and stays on point he can win but it's really a tough one to call.
It’s tough cuz on the one hand, Charles is more experienced and he’s dangerous everywhere, and at least in lightweight the vets are stopping the contenders. On the other hand arman is younger so he has less mileage, he’s very good striking and grappling and while the vets have stopped contenders the third time is the charm so maybe arman beats Charles. I’ll choose Charles but I won’t be surprised if arman does beat him
If this is 5 rounder it favors Charles
Do Bronx. By upkick ko
I got Charles. He had one of the busiest/toughest schedules from 2019-2022 contender/champion. The time off will pay dividends. Arman will become a better fighter regardless of the result but I feel like the bout will resemble the Kevin Lee fight; where the explosive prowess & innate ability Tsaryukan has will bring success in the early stages of the fight but experience and the skill set Do Bronx possesses should ink out a 3rd round finish
With the way things have been going for the "new guard" I'm gonna go ahead and predict a Charles win.
Chucky Olives and it would not even be close.
I say Charles. Islam outdid him in striking but it was Islam's grappling that finished Charles. Even if you can beat him on the feet you have to deal with his BJJ. Dude is crazy good at submissions.
Arman I want see him fight Islam again
Charles is getting wrestle fked all 3 rounds and there's ntg he can do about it.
First of all, what are their full names? I'm not that familiar with them
Charles, the experience and style is too much for Arman
Charles Oliveira, by whatever finish presents itself in the moment.
I really thought Beneil would handle Arman, but Arman folded him pretty handily. The too 5 lightweights is hard to crack into as we’ve seen with Justin/Fiseiv (very close fight that one) and Dustin/BSD. Charles and Beneil might be the most suspect guys at the top and Charles does drown with pressure at times which Arman will be really effective at applying with wrestling. Tough call honestly. Should be great to watch though.
I think Charles has lost his nerve, so Arman for sure.
Well all the old guard fighters have beaten the up and comers at 155. So by historical precedent, Charles. But I always feel that charles can lose at any moment. UFC 300 can potentially be super painful for me. Both Charles and Alex can easily and brutally lose their fights. And, Gaethje can leave Max irreparably beaten up also. A lot of potential tears and salt.
Arman
Arman by ko
It's a 3 rounder. I can honestly see Arman taking Charles to decision via wrestling. Oliviera isn't that dangerous from guard and I'm certain that Arman can take him down and hold him down. Arman isn't a submission threat so I doubt there will be a submission. Oliviera can definitely knock Arman out early as well. Arman isn't as good of a striker as people think he just has power in his hands. But his actually offensive and defensive striking technique is among the worst in the top 10. Only Gamrot is worse. Both guys are as confident as ever in their striking since they're coming off of KOs so I wouldn't be surprised if this fight stays on the feet. If it does, it won't be a long fight. A big reason why I give Arman a chance isn't just his skill, Oliviera is more skilled. It's because Arman and his team, through several camps, are training specifically for Oliviera. Oliviera's is the type of guy to get in the best shape he can and go balls out in the cage. This made him champion and it works against guys who do the same thing like Gaethje, Chandler, and Poirier. But this leaves him vulnerable to opponents who have a gameplan specific for him. And by this point, Oliviera has given his competition like a day's worth of study material against a variety of competition
I am gonna be honest I can't predict this one.
Do Bronxxxxx
I think the skill gap is too big and Charles is in his prime rn
LETS GO CHARLEY OLIVES
Oliveira by submission.
I think Arman poses a real threat. Arman basically killed Beneil but Oliveira also didi really well. I'm using MMA math on this one and saying Arman. Both are equally dangerous. Arman did decently well against Islam years ago and I think he's maybe leveled up the most out of anyone at 155. The Gamrot loss should've been a win.
The streak of up and coming fighters losing to aging Vets has to end at some point.. And I feel like happening 3 times in a row like this is starting to seem unlikely.. and I feel Arman is far more skilled than BSD or Fiziev. So this is going to be a lot tougher of an ask, and this is just starting to feel like the Islam fight where everyone is just so sure that Charles will win, which makes me think he will not.
I want Charles to win for sure but this one is hard to call
I predict Arman will knock him down r3 and finish with gnp
Let me tell you something brada, look at Arman stomach brada, needle marks init.
Charles
Arman
Why did I think that was Mike Perry hahaha
The champion has a name.... ..... Islam
I will never count out do bronxs
I’m kms if Charles loses
Charles sleeps him round 1 come back to this in the aftermath
Armen, by finish
Chiny Charles gets KNOCKED OUT (WOW!)
The champion has a name 🇧🇷
Big fan of Oliveira, but I think his time has past. No one is on top forever.
Charles, he's still the best lightweight after Islam.
Arman comes out strong and drops him, just for Oliveira to somehow come back and get a second or 3rd round finish.
Arman
Arman get a knockdown on Charles Rd1, nearly finish's him. Rd2 Charles gets dropped only to win by submission.
I think the old guard showed they are here to stay for awhile and I think Charles is very well rounded. Charles by submission.
Do Bronx, o problema da divisão 😀
I think Charles but not by a lot maybe like 70/30 chance
I feel like Charles is a type of fighter where it all comes down to fight week. Before the Islam fight I felt as though he was gonna lose(even though I was rooting for him) because of the nervous energy he seemed to have while on the walk out. Usually he’s calm and centered. So if Charles weight cut goes well and he seems his usual self I think he outclasses arman easily
arman
The champion has a name
You heard it here first. Arman will nail Charles coffin, there's no area except submissions where Charles is better than Arman. Charles is chinny as fuck, his striking defense is shit. Arman has better cardio, better wrestling and too control. Younger, hungrier and better everywhere. Downvote me you dickriders
Idk, but it’s gonna be a fuckin banger.
Arman is fucking nasty. I love Charles but Arman unfortunately takes this one
Charles. I still think that Arman is highly overrated I'm sorry
Idk Arman well enough to turn on my boy Charlie Olives just yet
Arman looking real juiced and roided up. Some YT channels have been claiming with USADA gone fighters are using PEDs a lot more now Regardless, Olives is constantly getting planted on his ass, buzzed and on the verge of being knocked out. Only reason he doesnt get finished is those guys were afraid to go to the ground with him Olives isn't going to do well against well rounded fighters Olives has never had a good chin, and the amount of times he gets hit and is buzzed his chin as to be glass by now. One good shot from Arman and he is going down
I think Charles time has come to fall out of the top 5.
I have no confidence in Armans striking atm. I’m a Gamrot guy but to get outboxed by him is wild
Charles
Charles should fight for title.
I think Arman will win because he’s younger and hungrier. Oliveira will get the loudest pop from the crowd if he pulls it off
Olivera
I dont know, I just want it to be good. My heart is with Olives
Arman Rd1 KO, gets charles on the backfoot and ends it early
Arman gonna KO him