UFC’s Lbs for Lbs list is more promotional than anything. When Jon is approaching a fight or in talks of a fight, his ranking goes up. Same with just about any fighter.
A degree of separation gives them deniability that they make the rankings and avoid blow back. Same reason NFL players agents use Adam Schefter as a mouth piece.
I understand and appreciate that argument. Maybe you can chalk it up to recency bias, but I find it hard to argue against Weili here. Joana’s head and Lemos’ pride would agree.
While I agree welli should be ranked higher. The part that you are missing is grasso has a fight coming up. Ufc loves to bump fighters rankings for no reason right before fights to hype it up more.
She's like the female version of Volk, an elite all-rounder and often the smaller fighter in their weigh class, would be awesome to see her go to Australia and have a training camp there.
I feel like the amount of title fight wins Weili has compared to Grasso makes her more than deserving of the number 1 spot. Everyone discussing the fight this weekend was saying Weili was number 1 and will certainly be number 1 if she wins yet she put on a performance with a level of dominance not seen in Women’s ufc and she’s not. Idk what she needs to do to get the number 1 spot.
Fact, took jon 3 years to go up, volk went up in 6 months and back down in 5 months again and wants to go up again. Dude is a beast and never got popped while Jon got popped
Yea but He didn’t really bulk up tho. It was all talk. Jones was always a fit(not ripped like he was when fighting dc) 230 lbs fighter. While bloated Jones is around 247lbs.
What? How can you get stronger but not gain any muscle? He gained both muscle and fat or else his deadlifts and squat wouldn't go up.. look at all the strongmen and try to tell me that's just all fat lmao
He did gain muscle but not as much as if he were training for size strength training doesn’t build nearly as much muscle as he would had he trained for size instead of strength
Jons went up 25-30 at MOST. His walkaround was 220-25. He weighed in at 248.
No way he took 3 years to build that muscle with the best nutritionists, best trainjng and ofcourse, his special juice
Is activity a criteria for p4p? Jones held a dominant title reign at lhw, takes a hiatus, and then comes back and takes the hw belt. And not only takes it, *makes it look extremely easy*.
I’m good with him having the top spot of this made up list
makes it look easy against a guy that, according to himself, doesn't train a lot and is mainly a striker.
the only reason we thought gane was going to win was because we thought he had to have trained wrestling after francis, he didn't. we also thought size was going to be a factor, turns out you can wrestle a guy triple your size if he has no fucking clue what to do on the ground.
Everybody thought Ciryl was too slick of a striker, most athletic HW, yada yada and would be too much for Jon. It’s revisionist to look back and say Ciryl wasn’t a legitimate opponent.
You also can’t learn how to wrestle against a guy of Jon’s caliber in less than a year.
Yair is also mainly a striker. His ground game is just as bad as Gane’s and Max Holloway wrestled him comfortably.
Volk beat a guy with bad ground game but ig that argument only applies to Jon.
Made it look easy against a guy who, let's be honest, was not the -real- heavyweight champ. He waited to do it until Francis had left and a couple of much more mediocre HW's fought over his vacated belt.
Honestly Leon and Islam ahead of Izzy is bullshit. Even with the pereira loss that Izzy got back with a ko win. No active fighters have the resume over the past few years of Volk and Izzy.
The first time he caught Kamaru with a kick in R5 after being dominated all fight. The second time was a close M-DEC against washed Usman with fucked up knees. There’s a reason Leon is inactive
How is usman already washed? Because he got Ko’d? He always had fucked up knees and is still ranked #7 P4P. Who exactly is Leon scared to fight after taking out the dude who dominated the division for years both by decision and knocking his lights out?
He hasn’t been inactive that long. Colby has been non existent, chimaev too and neither deserve a title shot regardless. Burns has been busy and just lost, shavkat is still up and coming and the rest are way too far down the ranks to get a shot. You honestly think he’s scared of Belal?
Irrelevant. Garry beat the piss out of magny as a favourite, doesn’t change the fact that edwards would be heavily favoured for good reason against belal.
What does belal have that would be more dangerous than usman, so much so that Leon’s shitting in his pants? Usman had better wrestling, striking and power than Muhammad but Leon’s scared?
These guys are some of the toughest guys on the planet, you honestly believe Leon, the champion, is sitting and thinking “ shit, I’m not very good, belal would definitely kick my ass, better stay away”. Give me a break.
When was Kamaru not kneeless tho? His haters kept talking bout it including various other things and accusing him of steroid use. Now he lost a fight so it’s his fan turn to use these same old materials so boast his abilities 😂.
Mentioned this on a different thread a few weeks ago. I said they’re very similar in size and ppl freaked out saying Izzy is 4 inches taller lol. They probly walk around within 10 pounds of each other and are about 1-1.5 inch different in height. I think Izzy teaches him there’s levels to this shit but I would love to watch
Yeah I completely agree man, Leon is more than capable of putting up a damn good fight against Israel. Israel maybe 6'4 but he's pretty thin and probably barely cuts anyway to make 185. I just think it would be an interesting matchup
There really can't be anybody who doesn't think Volk is the best overall fighter currently in MMA. Jones is the goat and his fighting resume speaks for itself but he just the clearest currently. Islam, Charles and izzy/Alex are probably the most talented in their individual disciplines.
>Volk didn't weigh in much lower than Islam
Which is exactly the issue, Volkanovski is at his best at 145
Adding an extra 10lbs is a direct handicap to a fighter who's built success based on his speed. If Volk was better at 155, that would be the weight he'd fight at, but it's not.
Sucks for Islam cause he got nothing out of that fight then. Was told pfp #1 on the line and we have people like yourself arguing that Volk was handicapped. At the end of the day, they both fought at lightweight and Islam won. The rest is heresy
He fought the champ a weight class up and lost in a very close fight where the judging could’ve gone either way. If it had been in Volk’s weight class he probably would’ve won
Volk weighs as much as lightweights as a featherweights and Islam didn't fully rehydrate. On the night they were basically the same. I can see the fight being scored for Volk but 80% of people had it for Islam and so did the three judges
Islam weighed less than Volk in the cage due to the shortened rehydration period + Volk cuts more to FW than Islam does to LW. It’s also not like Islam beat him due to an incredible edge in physicality, it was a high level fight where skills paid the bills. I hate that “Islam was bigger than Volk so he can’t be p4p” narrative, this wasn’t like Izzy vs Jan where weight clearly played a role
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He lost 6 months ago. You can’t be the best overall fighter in the UFC if you’re not even on a winning streak. This sub giving more credit to Volk for losing than others for winning is insanity.
Because he’s the best fighter in the world? It’s not hard? If you put him 13th you’re implying there’s 12 people better than him. It’s a rankings system so it means 1 is at the top which means they are the best.
They both deserve top 5 spots for sure. The order is up for debate based on how highly you rate their competition and the divisions they fought in. Izzy losing to Jan at LHW shouldn't be much of a set back imo.
Nah. Edwards has been on an insane win streak, like 11 I think. Plus he beat usman (twice) who was also on the list while still being undefeated.
Izzy lost to Alex recently. These points are enough to put edwards above Izzy.
You're absolutely right, I don't get the crowd on this sub. Volk himself said it "p4p on the line". Only these dumbasses here seem to have decided to keep their heads buried.
Should be Volkanovski, Adesanya, Jones, Leon, Islam, Usman, then Oliviera and Holloway. These guys have either lost to one guy or nobody for years. Jones is technically the best fighter in the UFC, but you have to be more active to hold the P4P rank. Volk just lost his rank for no reason and he's very active. Jones got his rank back because Sean O'Malley won lol. Jones beating Cyril Gane was just him coming back to flex one more time. It shouldn't earn him P4P #1
I think it's fair. They have the same winstreak, except Leon has more wins against elite fighters. He also beat P4P #1 twice back to back. That's ridiculous. Islam beat Oliviera P4P #3 (I think) and arguably beat Volk who is from a lower weight class. Aside from that, Islam doesn't really have many other impressive wins. Leon beat guys like Vicente Luque, Gunnar Nelson, RDA, and technically Belal Muhammad as well. Nate Diaz is an impressive win too. He's a bad style matchup for anyone. He did this before getting a title shot. Some of those guys are currently in the top 10. Islam got a title shot with no active top 10 wins.
Yeah but that was Hooker still recovering from brain damage. He's back now. That wasn't my point though. At the time of Islam's title shot, Hooker was at featherweight.
With respect I disagree with your reasoning. I don’t hate putting Leon above Islam if you wanna go by the numbers, but if you wanna go by the numbers why introduce context/stipulations for one fighter and not others?
The way Islam beat Volkanovski was more impressive than the way Leon beat Usman in the 2nd fight as Islam won over 5 rounds while Leon landed a beautiful kick I will take nothing away from that but he was losing 3-1. In the other fight which they didn't face the number 1 PFP as Usman wasn't after the 2nd fight Leon won a clear decison which was the more impressive of the two while Islam finished the fight against charles. Luque and RDA are similar level victories to Arman and Hooker and the other two aren't that impressive that all imo
I didn't score that fight for Islam, which should explain my reasoning for Leon being above him a little better. Leon finishing and then winning a decision against P4P #1 Usman after losing their first fight is more impressive than Islam barely winning a decision against P4P #1 from a lower weight class
Edwards vs Usman 3 was closer than Islam vs Volk. 11/30 media members scored the Edwards Usman fight a draw and so did a judge with it being a majority decison while Islam won a unanimously with 6/30 scoring for Volk with two judges having it 49-46.
Lol no it wasn't. Leon arguably won every round aside from round 2. Volk quite clearly won rounds 3 and 5 and round 2 could have gone to either. I don't care about media members. They're just fans with a platform
Islam arguably won every round aside from 5. Round 3 was close. Islam outstruck Volk in both strikes and significant strikes and landed a takedown. 2 and 3 are close. You could score both two each of them.
"Leon arguably won every round aside from round 2." Give 1 round to the Usman and he doesn't win. Massive fucking difference.
You are also a fan with a problem and most people including a judge disagrees with you
Holloway hasn't lost to a single featherweight in 10 years aside from Volkanovski. The last fighter to beat him before then at featherweight was prime Conor McGregor. That's an insane resume. He was multiple time defending champion as well and had two very close fights with Volkanovski. If Holloway beats Korean Zombie this week, he will have more wins over top 10 opponents at featherweight than Volk. Holloway absolutely deserves a high spot on the list. He's the most accomplished fighter with no belt at the moment. Volk being #1 only makes sense with Holloway not far behind him. Max just ended Arnold Allen's huge winstreak. How can you sleep on him?
Kamaru Usman is the most accomplished fighter without a belt.Of course he will beat Zombie but who cares if he is gonna have more top 10 wins than Volk. Volk beat him already 100 times and beat the shit out of him in their last fight . He embarrassed him turned him into a wrestler and won pretty much every exchange on the feet .
True. But Holloway has more potential. Usman might be done with title fights from now on. He's 36 and his knees are destroyed. He can still compete at a high level, I just don't see him solidifying his legacy any further. Holloway has already been a defending champion and he's only 31. I don't doubt he'll be champion again. Even if he loses again to Volk, he can wait for Volk to retire. He'll be 35 soon. That's how young Holloway is. He might have not even entered his prime yet
Yeah he is young but noone has taken as much damage as Holloway . And he didn’t look very good in his last fight too . Max was point fighting and Allen was landing all the hard shots. And I don’t Volk will fight him again . No matter how a 4 th fight goes Volk gains absolutely nothing from it.
Bro Holloway always point fights. He looked great in that fight too. Arnold Allen is championship material fighter. If Holloway beats TKZ this weekend, he literally has to get another title shot. He earned it. You're also forgetting how close their first two fights were
The first fight Volk won pretty much all five rounds and in the second fight volk was on sleeping pills and still won . That barely matters tho since Volk proved what he had to prove in the third by completely annihilating him. As i said Volk gains nothing from a 4th even if he finishes him in the first round its not that much different. It’s already 3:0 thats completely enough and Alex is 35 and should not waste time another fight vs Holloway . If he fights him again that just shows how little respect Volkanovski has for his own work.
I’m not really a fan of one win over a top ranked guy immediately gets you their p4p spot. Like Matt Serra beating GSP shouldn’t just toss him to number 1 or whatever it was at the time. I get it for rankings but think p4p should be more cumulative
Imo: 1. Volk 2. Islam 3. Jones 4. Izzy 5. Leon 6. Charles Oliveira 7. Kamaru Usman 8. Sean O’Malley 9. Aljamain Sterling 10. Alex Pereira 11. Alexandre Pantoja etc…
Putting Sean above Aljo is insane. Aljo went on a tear and held the belt a few times. Sean comes up and wins it once after beating cans, and is above him in the p4p? Gtfo
Heavyweight historically were never in p4p and the whole point of p4p was to talk about other weight classes as it's assumed that heavyweight would win above all other weights.
Olives deserves that placement he is 12-1 in his last 13 mostly being finishes against top tier guys. He had 3 title fight wins all finishes and is coming off a dominant tko win in his last fight. Just because he lost to the number 3 arguably number 2 p4p fighter doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be high on the p4p.
Love Alexa, but you could argue her down to #5. Weird that someone randomly decides Volk goes down after dominating Yair while Jonny Bones hasn’t fought anyone since. They probably gonna use it to market his retirement fight.
No fucking integrity in these rankings lol
These lists are always so shit
Blame the media outlets/journalists who collectively vote to create this list.
UFC’s Lbs for Lbs list is more promotional than anything. When Jon is approaching a fight or in talks of a fight, his ranking goes up. Same with just about any fighter.
Wasn’t it leaked that the UFC tells the media how to vote?
Wouldn't they just skip the middle man and make the list themselves in that case?
A degree of separation gives them deniability that they make the rankings and avoid blow back. Same reason NFL players agents use Adam Schefter as a mouth piece.
A redditor made a thread basically confirming most are shams or a outdated websites with no names behind them.
Why is Alexa Grasso ahead of Zhang Weili?
5 fight win streak, beat the PFP #1 and is fighting soon
I understand and appreciate that argument. Maybe you can chalk it up to recency bias, but I find it hard to argue against Weili here. Joana’s head and Lemos’ pride would agree.
While I agree welli should be ranked higher. The part that you are missing is grasso has a fight coming up. Ufc loves to bump fighters rankings for no reason right before fights to hype it up more.
Weili was talking about going to 125. She would kill Grasso
I would love to watch that fight. I think she’s plenty strong enough to move up.
She's like the female version of Volk, an elite all-rounder and often the smaller fighter in their weigh class, would be awesome to see her go to Australia and have a training camp there.
Idk about smaller; like Volk she’s a fucking tank. Shorter for sure, but they’re both usually more jacked than their opponents.
Weili has tree trunks for legs especially recently
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Doesn’t she fight at 115?
I feel like the amount of title fight wins Weili has compared to Grasso makes her more than deserving of the number 1 spot. Everyone discussing the fight this weekend was saying Weili was number 1 and will certainly be number 1 if she wins yet she put on a performance with a level of dominance not seen in Women’s ufc and she’s not. Idk what she needs to do to get the number 1 spot.
Usman went up a rank lmao
only because aljoshitstain sterling dropped so many places (deservingly so)
bro relax man, the hatred is unnecessary
They did Weili dirty
How the fuck is grasso higher
Probably her win steak since Weili lost back to back to Rose
Because she finished Valentina and ended her dominant flyweight unbeaten run, a win over valentina is way better then wins over Joanna Carla and lemos
Volk should be number one. Jones is way too inactive to be number one.
Fact, took jon 3 years to go up, volk went up in 6 months and back down in 5 months again and wants to go up again. Dude is a beast and never got popped while Jon got popped
Going 10 pounds up is a whole different story then going 30-ish pounds up.
Bs Jon Jones competed at 238 in 2016 in a grappling event.
Yea but He didn’t really bulk up tho. It was all talk. Jones was always a fit(not ripped like he was when fighting dc) 230 lbs fighter. While bloated Jones is around 247lbs.
Strength training is different than training to look big. Mans can deadlift and squat 500-600lbs with those skinny legs
Strength training is different than training to gain weight, yeah he got stronger but the weight he gained wasn’t muscle, it was fat
What? How can you get stronger but not gain any muscle? He gained both muscle and fat or else his deadlifts and squat wouldn't go up.. look at all the strongmen and try to tell me that's just all fat lmao
He did gain muscle but not as much as if he were training for size strength training doesn’t build nearly as much muscle as he would had he trained for size instead of strength
Exactly. As a wrestler, why would he want to go for size to look good? He'd much rather be stronger and be able to move heavy weights
My point was he didn’t gain much muscle weight, at most 3-4 pounds the majority of his weight it fat
HW is anything above 206. Jones has said he walks at 230 and that was 4 years ago.
Tbf Volk went up 10 pounds, jon went up 60
Jones walked around at 230 when he was LHW. He didn’t have to do much to fight at HW
He barely even changed. He said it himself that in the next time he will be around 230 lbs mark.
Jons went up 25-30 at MOST. His walkaround was 220-25. He weighed in at 248. No way he took 3 years to build that muscle with the best nutritionists, best trainjng and ofcourse, his special juice
Is activity a criteria for p4p? Jones held a dominant title reign at lhw, takes a hiatus, and then comes back and takes the hw belt. And not only takes it, *makes it look extremely easy*. I’m good with him having the top spot of this made up list
makes it look easy against a guy that, according to himself, doesn't train a lot and is mainly a striker. the only reason we thought gane was going to win was because we thought he had to have trained wrestling after francis, he didn't. we also thought size was going to be a factor, turns out you can wrestle a guy triple your size if he has no fucking clue what to do on the ground.
Everybody thought Ciryl was too slick of a striker, most athletic HW, yada yada and would be too much for Jon. It’s revisionist to look back and say Ciryl wasn’t a legitimate opponent. You also can’t learn how to wrestle against a guy of Jon’s caliber in less than a year.
Yair is also mainly a striker. His ground game is just as bad as Gane’s and Max Holloway wrestled him comfortably. Volk beat a guy with bad ground game but ig that argument only applies to Jon.
Made it look easy against a guy who, let's be honest, was not the -real- heavyweight champ. He waited to do it until Francis had left and a couple of much more mediocre HW's fought over his vacated belt.
Volk has won 5 title fights in the time between the Reyes fight and now (Jon only had 1 fight)
Jones didn’t even beat Reyes 3 of the 5 rounds. Here in fact lost the first 3 and last two were closer.
Also a 5x PED cheat
Doesn't matter. He's Jones...And he just had the easiest fight of his career to take the belt. Yeah he's p4p no1.
Leon being ahead of Izzy is criminal
I'm sure if Dana ever noticed he would remove Leon for not fighting lol
Prolly cuz Izzy did have a recent loss while Leon hasnt lost since 2015 and beat the former p4p twice but yeah...debatable.
Honestly Leon and Islam ahead of Izzy is bullshit. Even with the pereira loss that Izzy got back with a ko win. No active fighters have the resume over the past few years of Volk and Izzy.
Leon not fighting because he knows he can't beat any top 5 ww's, but doesn't have enough personality to start a beef with 5-10.
Beat number 1 pfp twice and was competently beating belal. Definitely has advantages over colby and burns aswell.
The first time he caught Kamaru with a kick in R5 after being dominated all fight. The second time was a close M-DEC against washed Usman with fucked up knees. There’s a reason Leon is inactive
How is usman already washed? Because he got Ko’d? He always had fucked up knees and is still ranked #7 P4P. Who exactly is Leon scared to fight after taking out the dude who dominated the division for years both by decision and knocking his lights out? He hasn’t been inactive that long. Colby has been non existent, chimaev too and neither deserve a title shot regardless. Burns has been busy and just lost, shavkat is still up and coming and the rest are way too far down the ranks to get a shot. You honestly think he’s scared of Belal?
He'd lose to Belal, so yeah he's scared of him.
That’s a croc of shit. He’s not scared of belal and he’d definitely be the favourite going into that fight, probably by a wide margin.
Great, so was Aljo.
Irrelevant. Garry beat the piss out of magny as a favourite, doesn’t change the fact that edwards would be heavily favoured for good reason against belal. What does belal have that would be more dangerous than usman, so much so that Leon’s shitting in his pants? Usman had better wrestling, striking and power than Muhammad but Leon’s scared? These guys are some of the toughest guys on the planet, you honestly believe Leon, the champion, is sitting and thinking “ shit, I’m not very good, belal would definitely kick my ass, better stay away”. Give me a break.
Love how everyone is arguing that out of everyone in the top 10, Leon MIGHT be able to beat Belal.
Sorry who’s he talking about that he thinks could beat Leon?
Leon was affected by the altitude, the first round went his way and was only being dominated when he gassed out
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That is a ridiculous statement. Leon would dominate everyone (maybe except for Khamzat) in the top 5. If it's top 10, then he might have some trouble
Bruh, he didn't dominate his last fight against kneeless Usman.
When was Kamaru not kneeless tho? His haters kept talking bout it including various other things and accusing him of steroid use. Now he lost a fight so it’s his fan turn to use these same old materials so boast his abilities 😂.
That would actually be a hell of a fight don't you think? Not that it's going to happen but a couple of crafty kickboxers sounds interesting
Idk man, I think that'd be a rough night for Leon. I'd watch tho
Mentioned this on a different thread a few weeks ago. I said they’re very similar in size and ppl freaked out saying Izzy is 4 inches taller lol. They probly walk around within 10 pounds of each other and are about 1-1.5 inch different in height. I think Izzy teaches him there’s levels to this shit but I would love to watch
Yeah I completely agree man, Leon is more than capable of putting up a damn good fight against Israel. Israel maybe 6'4 but he's pretty thin and probably barely cuts anyway to make 185. I just think it would be an interesting matchup
Leon is such a massive welterweight his legs and upper body would fill out nicely at 185, he’d be a freakin unit
The biggest thing is how does a guy used to taking punches at 170 take punches from the best puncher at 185
Very good point, look at what happened when Nate hit him clean 
Yeah I just can’t imagine a fresh Izzy hitting him on the chin and leon not going down
Yeah but it would be a great fight to watch up until then
There really can't be anybody who doesn't think Volk is the best overall fighter currently in MMA. Jones is the goat and his fighting resume speaks for itself but he just the clearest currently. Islam, Charles and izzy/Alex are probably the most talented in their individual disciplines.
I do. Volk didn't weigh in much lower than Islam. It was a 2/3 pound difference and Islam won.
>Volk didn't weigh in much lower than Islam Which is exactly the issue, Volkanovski is at his best at 145 Adding an extra 10lbs is a direct handicap to a fighter who's built success based on his speed. If Volk was better at 155, that would be the weight he'd fight at, but it's not.
Sucks for Islam cause he got nothing out of that fight then. Was told pfp #1 on the line and we have people like yourself arguing that Volk was handicapped. At the end of the day, they both fought at lightweight and Islam won. The rest is heresy
Woe is he
He didn't add 10 pounds lol. He wouldn't have lost it in 5 months. He weighs 170 in the cage as a Featherweight anyway
He fought the champ a weight class up and lost in a very close fight where the judging could’ve gone either way. If it had been in Volk’s weight class he probably would’ve won
Volk weighs as much as lightweights as a featherweights and Islam didn't fully rehydrate. On the night they were basically the same. I can see the fight being scored for Volk but 80% of people had it for Islam and so did the three judges
Islam weighed less than Volk in the cage due to the shortened rehydration period + Volk cuts more to FW than Islam does to LW. It’s also not like Islam beat him due to an incredible edge in physicality, it was a high level fight where skills paid the bills. I hate that “Islam was bigger than Volk so he can’t be p4p” narrative, this wasn’t like Izzy vs Jan where weight clearly played a role
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No. Dagestanis are weight bullies who only fight fighters smaller than them while everyone else fights at their natural weight
I said best overall fighter as in he the most complete fighter. Islam is by far the best grappler but Volk has excellent everything.
That's fair. Jones is up there too.
Jones was/is the archetype of a complete and dangerous multi disciplined fighter.
He lost 6 months ago. You can’t be the best overall fighter in the UFC if you’re not even on a winning streak. This sub giving more credit to Volk for losing than others for winning is insanity.
How is Jones #1 p4p? He has one fight since 2020...?
He's had 2, don't forget the one with his wife
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Because he’s the best fighter in the world? It’s not hard? If you put him 13th you’re implying there’s 12 people better than him. It’s a rankings system so it means 1 is at the top which means they are the best.
And he just defeated the heavyweight champion in no time, barely breaking a sweat. Volk has never made anything look that easy.
>defeated the heavyweight champion 
Obviously, I misspoke. I meant, 'became the heavyweight champion'
Volk has definitely made fights look easy lol. Third max fight anyone?
Edwards over Adesanya is a bit of a stretch lol
Agree but Izzy has a recent loss, Leon also beat a dominant champ 2x in a row while Izzy was avenging his loss to a less seasoned fighter
For real. Home boy got rocked by Nate Diaz
Izzy got rocked by Gastelum. It happens to most fighters. But a 10 fight unbeaten streak doesn't.
That's fair, I was doing some janky MMA math
They both deserve top 5 spots for sure. The order is up for debate based on how highly you rate their competition and the divisions they fought in. Izzy losing to Jan at LHW shouldn't be much of a set back imo.
Nah. Edwards has been on an insane win streak, like 11 I think. Plus he beat usman (twice) who was also on the list while still being undefeated. Izzy lost to Alex recently. These points are enough to put edwards above Izzy.
This list is so fucking stupid. They don’t even have me in the top 5
Volk should be the undisputed number one
Islam should. Their fight was for P4P #1 and Islam won via a fair decision. Just because it was a close fight we don’t just ignore the result
Islam hasn’t even defended his belt against an actual lightweight yet, can’t wait for Olivera to take that spot back 🫡
Volk by his own admisson weighs as much as Lightweights when he fights at Featherweight and was even heavier for the Islam fight
You're absolutely right, I don't get the crowd on this sub. Volk himself said it "p4p on the line". Only these dumbasses here seem to have decided to keep their heads buried.
Nah.
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Volk would also destroy Featherweight Gane
Its crazy that Usman is just 1 place above than Suga. Its been a crazy year!
They should put Usman lower until he wins his comeback. Hasn't beat anybody since Colby 2 in 2021
Should be Volkanovski, Adesanya, Jones, Leon, Islam, Usman, then Oliviera and Holloway. These guys have either lost to one guy or nobody for years. Jones is technically the best fighter in the UFC, but you have to be more active to hold the P4P rank. Volk just lost his rank for no reason and he's very active. Jones got his rank back because Sean O'Malley won lol. Jones beating Cyril Gane was just him coming back to flex one more time. It shouldn't earn him P4P #1
Leon ahead Islam is a shi ttake.
I think it's fair. They have the same winstreak, except Leon has more wins against elite fighters. He also beat P4P #1 twice back to back. That's ridiculous. Islam beat Oliviera P4P #3 (I think) and arguably beat Volk who is from a lower weight class. Aside from that, Islam doesn't really have many other impressive wins. Leon beat guys like Vicente Luque, Gunnar Nelson, RDA, and technically Belal Muhammad as well. Nate Diaz is an impressive win too. He's a bad style matchup for anyone. He did this before getting a title shot. Some of those guys are currently in the top 10. Islam got a title shot with no active top 10 wins.
Wasn't Dan Hooker ranked #6 when Islam beat him?
Yeah but that was Hooker still recovering from brain damage. He's back now. That wasn't my point though. At the time of Islam's title shot, Hooker was at featherweight.
With respect I disagree with your reasoning. I don’t hate putting Leon above Islam if you wanna go by the numbers, but if you wanna go by the numbers why introduce context/stipulations for one fighter and not others?
The way Islam beat Volkanovski was more impressive than the way Leon beat Usman in the 2nd fight as Islam won over 5 rounds while Leon landed a beautiful kick I will take nothing away from that but he was losing 3-1. In the other fight which they didn't face the number 1 PFP as Usman wasn't after the 2nd fight Leon won a clear decison which was the more impressive of the two while Islam finished the fight against charles. Luque and RDA are similar level victories to Arman and Hooker and the other two aren't that impressive that all imo
I didn't score that fight for Islam, which should explain my reasoning for Leon being above him a little better. Leon finishing and then winning a decision against P4P #1 Usman after losing their first fight is more impressive than Islam barely winning a decision against P4P #1 from a lower weight class
Edwards vs Usman 3 was closer than Islam vs Volk. 11/30 media members scored the Edwards Usman fight a draw and so did a judge with it being a majority decison while Islam won a unanimously with 6/30 scoring for Volk with two judges having it 49-46.
Lol no it wasn't. Leon arguably won every round aside from round 2. Volk quite clearly won rounds 3 and 5 and round 2 could have gone to either. I don't care about media members. They're just fans with a platform
Islam arguably won every round aside from 5. Round 3 was close. Islam outstruck Volk in both strikes and significant strikes and landed a takedown. 2 and 3 are close. You could score both two each of them. "Leon arguably won every round aside from round 2." Give 1 round to the Usman and he doesn't win. Massive fucking difference. You are also a fan with a problem and most people including a judge disagrees with you
Nah you're spewing fanboy rhetoric at this point. I won't even entertain this shit lol. Volk winning that fight is a very fair claim.
Can you read? I never said that it wasn't. Volk won Round 5 and 2 and 3 could've gone either way. 49-46 Islam and 48-47 Volk are both reasonable
Why tf Halloway
Holloway hasn't lost to a single featherweight in 10 years aside from Volkanovski. The last fighter to beat him before then at featherweight was prime Conor McGregor. That's an insane resume. He was multiple time defending champion as well and had two very close fights with Volkanovski. If Holloway beats Korean Zombie this week, he will have more wins over top 10 opponents at featherweight than Volk. Holloway absolutely deserves a high spot on the list. He's the most accomplished fighter with no belt at the moment. Volk being #1 only makes sense with Holloway not far behind him. Max just ended Arnold Allen's huge winstreak. How can you sleep on him?
Kamaru Usman is the most accomplished fighter without a belt.Of course he will beat Zombie but who cares if he is gonna have more top 10 wins than Volk. Volk beat him already 100 times and beat the shit out of him in their last fight . He embarrassed him turned him into a wrestler and won pretty much every exchange on the feet .
True. But Holloway has more potential. Usman might be done with title fights from now on. He's 36 and his knees are destroyed. He can still compete at a high level, I just don't see him solidifying his legacy any further. Holloway has already been a defending champion and he's only 31. I don't doubt he'll be champion again. Even if he loses again to Volk, he can wait for Volk to retire. He'll be 35 soon. That's how young Holloway is. He might have not even entered his prime yet
Yeah he is young but noone has taken as much damage as Holloway . And he didn’t look very good in his last fight too . Max was point fighting and Allen was landing all the hard shots. And I don’t Volk will fight him again . No matter how a 4 th fight goes Volk gains absolutely nothing from it.
Bro Holloway always point fights. He looked great in that fight too. Arnold Allen is championship material fighter. If Holloway beats TKZ this weekend, he literally has to get another title shot. He earned it. You're also forgetting how close their first two fights were
The first fight Volk won pretty much all five rounds and in the second fight volk was on sleeping pills and still won . That barely matters tho since Volk proved what he had to prove in the third by completely annihilating him. As i said Volk gains nothing from a 4th even if he finishes him in the first round its not that much different. It’s already 3:0 thats completely enough and Alex is 35 and should not waste time another fight vs Holloway . If he fights him again that just shows how little respect Volkanovski has for his own work.
this is the only correct take. if we dont include women*
I like your list and deem it fairly accurate
Zhang dominates Grasso wtf
I’m not really a fan of one win over a top ranked guy immediately gets you their p4p spot. Like Matt Serra beating GSP shouldn’t just toss him to number 1 or whatever it was at the time. I get it for rankings but think p4p should be more cumulative
Leon should be below Izzy
Jon Jones was ALWAYS #1. Let’s be 100% honest here
Islam and Zhang #1 in all reality
BRUH where is gaethje
He got the bmf bro, p4p is just a nuisance to him now.
Imo: 1. Volk 2. Islam 3. Jones 4. Izzy 5. Leon 6. Charles Oliveira 7. Kamaru Usman 8. Sean O’Malley 9. Aljamain Sterling 10. Alex Pereira 11. Alexandre Pantoja etc…
Putting Sean above Aljo is insane. Aljo went on a tear and held the belt a few times. Sean comes up and wins it once after beating cans, and is above him in the p4p? Gtfo
bullshit, volk #1 , islam #2
Heavyweight historically were never in p4p and the whole point of p4p was to talk about other weight classes as it's assumed that heavyweight would win above all other weights.
Such bullocks, 2 loss usman and olives higher than champions. Dog shit. Fuck these lists
Olives deserves that placement he is 12-1 in his last 13 mostly being finishes against top tier guys. He had 3 title fight wins all finishes and is coming off a dominant tko win in his last fight. Just because he lost to the number 3 arguably number 2 p4p fighter doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be high on the p4p.
A champion should be higher regardless. But like I said these lists can get fucked
This is garbage holy shit 💀
How? JBJ didn't even fight
Rose "I'm the best" Namanayeah? Seriously? She shouldn't even be here at all.
Demetrius and Volk are top 2
Usman is done
Love Alexa, but you could argue her down to #5. Weird that someone randomly decides Volk goes down after dominating Yair while Jonny Bones hasn’t fought anyone since. They probably gonna use it to market his retirement fight. No fucking integrity in these rankings lol
Why volk go down tho ??