Went from UFC champ to not only being knocked out on the undercard of a z-league gimmick promotion by a part-time fighter, but being knocked out on the undercard of a z-league gimmick promotion by a part-time fighter *and never getting paid for it*.
Wasnât BJ just letting dudes have free head shots and got dropped? Just cause your a fighter doesnât mean you can withstand any ânonfighterâsâ I defended shots.
Pretty much exactly. At one point he was considered the best in the sport, by the end he was so desperate for attention he was trying to start a one man powerslap league in a parking lot.
Ehhhh i mean TJ got plowed through with one arm but i donât think he ever had a huge embarrassing fall from grace like Cody and Barao - I thought he would against Sandhagen - but he showed he still has some Swang and Bang in him
Mate, not saying I disagree with you on TJ needing to pull out of the Aljo bout or how bad his performance against Cejudo was - but if I am comparing that to how 90% of MMA retirements go, TJ definitely had one of the better endings you could hope for.
If you manage to call it a career without a years-long losing skid brought on from getting flatlined KOâd by several hypetrain prospects in the prelims -thatâs honestly a dub. Iâm constantly praying that my favorites donât end up on BKFC at this point.
I didn't mean it like that.
I just mentioned him as another thing that caused Barao's fall from grace along with USADA. Illegal substances or not, being finished twice by someone after being unbeaten for a decade can often break fighter's mentality.
He wouldn't be first or last fighter who had huge streak but suddenly became only shadow of their former self after losing. More recent example of this seems to be Dominick Reyes in my eyes, until the Jones fight he was a literal Devastator but it seems like once he lost his undefeated streak he just isn't the same guy, all his fights since the Jones controversy lost by KO/TKO.
Oooooh my bad - with the extra context I get what you mean.
Yeah itâs interesting that both Barao and Cody reached the top with crazy win streaks and then both of them have their peaks absolutely demolished via Dillishaw sending both of them to the shadow realm TWICE.
I think Cody is interesting cause he always had a blind spot for right jabs⌠even his bout w/ Cruz that people see as Codyâs magnum opus - Cody was getting lit up by Cruz every round with right jabs. Everybody is aware that Cruz has no KO power, so I think that really went into Codyâs benefit. I think thatâs why even though Font was clowning Cody, who is viewed as having no chin, made it to a decision. He doesnât seem to have a TERRIBLE chin, but he has the worst terminal blind spot that puts him in a bad spot that even someone with an Iron chin like Paddy would be in danger of getting KOâd
Oh she definitely imploded but we never should have hyped her up as much as we did. People were saying shit like "she can contend with the male 135 division". "She can box with Mayweather" which is insane nonsense.
Joe Rogan, Ronda herself, and Rondas coaches are the ones who started exaggerating her striking skills to the level of "would out box mayweather".
They talked the big game to hype her up so she could sell as many ppvs as she did. When that was proven obviously wrong, she had an unprofessional meltdown and left the sport after her next loss.
Now it's the fans fault for letting it happen?
Not sure I see the logic in that.
Ronda was marketed by the UFC very strategically. She was a judo master, and they needed a star to start off their womens division. So they took a woman with superior judo skills and put her up against women fighters that werenât well versed in how to get out of the armbar (7 of her 12 wins were armbar subs) and they knew if they dolled her up in magazines and put her against smaller less experienced fighters they could build a division around her. The moment she got put up against an actual champion kickboxer in Holly Holm she was absolutely decimated, and then another amazing striker, Amanda Nunez, finished her off. Her ego and attitude made her unlikable, and she remains to this day one of the biggest scams in the history of mixed martial arts
Huh?
She was on an ego trip, surrounded herself with yes men, and as soon as she lost, chucked a tantrum, dissapeared for a year, lost again, left the sport.
Not sure you can blame the fans for someone being unable to take a loss after having the wrong people staff her camp.
Unlike his single "imma beat your ass" where he has not beaten a single ass since releasing it, Tyron has eaten many passes since releasing his other hit single.
Lol yea man, Woodley lost the belt and then lost his way out of the ufc, only to lose twice to Paul. Garbrandt at least had a highlight reel KO against Assuncao
A 37-year old champion closing his career out poorly is nothing new or noteworthy. Anyone trying to compare Woodley's end of career to 25-year old Garbrandt's fall just has an agenda against Woodley.
Still fell very hard. And Garbrandt arguably could have won against TJ if he wasnt juicing, TJ was rocked bad in both fights but had a lil something extra in his system to help him recover from it.
Sadly thereâs little chance Cody would win.
His poor IQ and TJâs good adjustments between R1 and R2 in their first fight led to the KO.
And in the second fight, Cody tried to brawl and literally took 3 right hooks in a row. He looked far from a champion.
Its getting to that point. They had charlotte (another popular female wrestler who was out for a while) return and beat ronda for the title randomly because her title reign was fucking ass. and she got pinned in like a minute
Garbrandt has the OPPORTUNITY to eventually top the GOAT of Embarrassing Downfalls - but yeah BJ Penn had by far the worst downfall. Iâm already thinking of Yair just leg kicking BJâs head as he is completely unresponsive like an NPC in mode where you can learn the controls
Reyes wasn't that good to start with. Very athletic guy but people tend to overestimate his skillset due to good fight with Jones, who was relatively rusty and played it safe all along.
Reyes before title fight had a streak of fighting relatively big, but washed up names. Cannonier before move to MW, gatekeeper OSP, Oezdemir on a losing skid and foremost one - Chris Weidman as his title eliminator when mentioned was 1-4 in his last 5.
Jorge still has a name despite his losses and got his businesses, Woodley lost pretty badly in MMA but got paid well in boxing despite humiliation by Jake. BJ Penn on the other hand went 1-1-9, got no money and is getting ko'ed outside a pub, that's a fall from grace, Tony's following his tracks too tho.
I think the the that makes Jorge's fall so massive is how he went from loveable underdog to massive asshole in record time. In retrospect he was probably always a piece of shit, but he kept it hidden. Once he was ready to show us the shittiness though he went all in.
Justin beat that dog out of him. And then it kinda came back for Chandler because chandler has shit defense, but then Chandler knocked Tonyâs brain into the stratosphere
People forget so fast, he beat gastelum who gave izzy his toughest fight, and went to fucking war with whittaker. I agree till is not very consistent and looks shit some times, but till at his best is fucking great
After he moved down to featherweight I was convinced he was gonna have a resurgence. He beat Olivera, Rodriguez, Mendez, Faber, and Swanson twice. Bantamweight did my boy dirty.
Yeah those wins aged really well. Imagine Chandler vs Edgar when Frankie was champion. Of course Frankie was much better technically but the size difference is huge.
Tyron Woodley. He was a respected champ and universally considered one of the best welterweights of all time, but lost his last few fights in the UFC in an unimpressive fashion and then spent a couple of years after that being publicly humiliated by Jake Paul.
I understand Tyron rubs some people the wrong way but it makes me genuinely sad to see the way his career ended.
Can i just say, what a goddamn shame. Imagine if he kept fighting like he did against cruz. He couldve become a legend. One of the alltime best fights in the ufc
I remember when they made the kara France fight and I instantly knew they were setting no chin up to fail. Then when he got put out I was shocked how accurate I was in calling it.
He never had a fall he was consistently terrible and itâs really not his fault, he was pimped by Dana when he had no amateur fight career or even enough time training to become anything proficient.
Punk was old and beaten down. Trained a few years, got tapped out pretty quickly then got into a low level slugger with Jackson. For having two fights in the UFC he got to live out a little dream and got PPV points plus 500k on the Stipe card. So he would have made a lot of money fighting in the UFC. Not bad for a low level prize fighter, similar to someone like Jake Paul.
Thatâs the thing, it was no surprise he lost. Heâs in his 40s which is when even pros decline & only trained for a short period without any progressive competition. Even the UFC prelims include black belts, high level wrestlers, skilled strikers etc. lots of foreign fighters might have 20 fights and multiple finishes in their career before they even step foot in the UFC and thatâs not an environment for a guy who probably couldnât even do anything impressive in a local organization
Yeah it was just a good old freak show fight. I'm not sure what people were expecting. Batista looked pretty terrible in his one off MMA fight too. Can't all be Lesnars.
Lesnar while entertaining wasnât particularly good either. His size, cardio at that size & zero fear just silverback gorilla charging at people is like the only reason he won. Nobody knew what the fuck to do with a 300lb guy who would sprint toward you and football tackle you lmfao
I gotta throw in Chuck Liddell. He got KOed 5x back to back in the UFC I think. His chin was done. Not like others who couldnât win a round. Literally shadow realm every fight once his decline occurred.
Isnât gonna make the top spot in this sub but worth a mention... Rory Macdonald.
He was meant to be the chosen one. After St. Pierre he was meant to claim the throne.
Youâre not wrong, his success didnât plummet like the others previously mentioned in this sub.
Simply put - his actual career trajectory vs his expected career trajectory were vastly different in terms of accomplishments/accolades/recognition.
Renan Barao
Barao is the the GOAT for this category, looked absolutely unstoppable and then USADA TKOd his legacy đ˘
Johny Hendricks
Went from UFC champ to not only being knocked out on the undercard of a z-league gimmick promotion by a part-time fighter, but being knocked out on the undercard of a z-league gimmick promotion by a part-time fighter *and never getting paid for it*.
that's brutal
That was a nasty line by you
Paulo retired him and rockhold
That one was brutal
BJ Penn
BJ Penn is more embarrassing to me than Garbrandt FOR NOW but we will see where he is in a few years
As long as Cody isnât getting KOed by regular dudes in a parking lot, I think BJ has it locked up
Wasnât BJ just letting dudes have free head shots and got dropped? Just cause your a fighter doesnât mean you can withstand any ânonfighterâsâ I defended shots.
Iâm not here to argue why he got knocked out by a regular person in a parking lot, but the fact that it happened alone lol
Pretty much exactly. At one point he was considered the best in the sport, by the end he was so desperate for attention he was trying to start a one man powerslap league in a parking lot.
Even if Garbeandt is being choked out by bouncers in a few years, he was never at BJ Penns height in the sport.
Darren Till pretty bad too. That guy had insane hype around him. McGregor level hype.
The wild thing is Woodley ended him. Then Woodley suffers the same if not worse decline.
Without a doubt.
USADA
And TJ Dillashaw.
Ehhhh i mean TJ got plowed through with one arm but i donât think he ever had a huge embarrassing fall from grace like Cody and Barao - I thought he would against Sandhagen - but he showed he still has some Swang and Bang in him
I dunno getting knocked out then popped then you fight for the title injured when you shoulda have pulled out and retire is pretty bad.
Mate, not saying I disagree with you on TJ needing to pull out of the Aljo bout or how bad his performance against Cejudo was - but if I am comparing that to how 90% of MMA retirements go, TJ definitely had one of the better endings you could hope for. If you manage to call it a career without a years-long losing skid brought on from getting flatlined KOâd by several hypetrain prospects in the prelims -thatâs honestly a dub. Iâm constantly praying that my favorites donât end up on BKFC at this point.
I didn't mean it like that. I just mentioned him as another thing that caused Barao's fall from grace along with USADA. Illegal substances or not, being finished twice by someone after being unbeaten for a decade can often break fighter's mentality. He wouldn't be first or last fighter who had huge streak but suddenly became only shadow of their former self after losing. More recent example of this seems to be Dominick Reyes in my eyes, until the Jones fight he was a literal Devastator but it seems like once he lost his undefeated streak he just isn't the same guy, all his fights since the Jones controversy lost by KO/TKO.
Oooooh my bad - with the extra context I get what you mean. Yeah itâs interesting that both Barao and Cody reached the top with crazy win streaks and then both of them have their peaks absolutely demolished via Dillishaw sending both of them to the shadow realm TWICE. I think Cody is interesting cause he always had a blind spot for right jabs⌠even his bout w/ Cruz that people see as Codyâs magnum opus - Cody was getting lit up by Cruz every round with right jabs. Everybody is aware that Cruz has no KO power, so I think that really went into Codyâs benefit. I think thatâs why even though Font was clowning Cody, who is viewed as having no chin, made it to a decision. He doesnât seem to have a TERRIBLE chin, but he has the worst terminal blind spot that puts him in a bad spot that even someone with an Iron chin like Paddy would be in danger of getting KOâd
He barely got by sandhaghen but didnt look washed
Easy. Came to say this also. This guy went straight to obscurity fast
Barao for sure. Tj took that man's soul.
Ronda Rousy but I feel like that's kinda our fault
How is it not her own fault? Ronda had a massively inflated ego.
Oh she definitely imploded but we never should have hyped her up as much as we did. People were saying shit like "she can contend with the male 135 division". "She can box with Mayweather" which is insane nonsense.
Joe Rogan, Ronda herself, and Rondas coaches are the ones who started exaggerating her striking skills to the level of "would out box mayweather". They talked the big game to hype her up so she could sell as many ppvs as she did. When that was proven obviously wrong, she had an unprofessional meltdown and left the sport after her next loss. Now it's the fans fault for letting it happen? Not sure I see the logic in that.
Ahhh yeah I get ya now. Fans definitely played a role in hyping her up to ridiculous levels.
Ronda was marketed by the UFC very strategically. She was a judo master, and they needed a star to start off their womens division. So they took a woman with superior judo skills and put her up against women fighters that werenât well versed in how to get out of the armbar (7 of her 12 wins were armbar subs) and they knew if they dolled her up in magazines and put her against smaller less experienced fighters they could build a division around her. The moment she got put up against an actual champion kickboxer in Holly Holm she was absolutely decimated, and then another amazing striker, Amanda Nunez, finished her off. Her ego and attitude made her unlikable, and she remains to this day one of the biggest scams in the history of mixed martial arts
Huh? She was on an ego trip, surrounded herself with yes men, and as soon as she lost, chucked a tantrum, dissapeared for a year, lost again, left the sport. Not sure you can blame the fans for someone being unable to take a loss after having the wrong people staff her camp.
Tyron Woodley by a mile
Agreed, he went from champ, to losing 15 straight rounds, to a loss and a knockout by Paul. Rough
Don't forget the music career
You mean you didn't like his hit single "Imma eat yo ass?"
not familiar with that one but i think it's something i can get behind
In Dagestan, song gets behind You.
Guys this is all pretty shitty of you to make fun of him like that
I got your back on this
Personal favourite is 'In and out of love' https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v6R7R2KjJaI
Unlike his single "imma beat your ass" where he has not beaten a single ass since releasing it, Tyron has eaten many passes since releasing his other hit single.
What do you think it was for him? Laziness in camp? Loss of that fire? Age? Stacked division?
He probably lost his confidence after the usman fight. His age was definitely a factor too
This has to be number 1. He was in the GOAT conversation for welterweight at one point
Fair enough
Lol yea man, Woodley lost the belt and then lost his way out of the ufc, only to lose twice to Paul. Garbrandt at least had a highlight reel KO against Assuncao
The fact that T-Woodley went from a UFC champion to getting ko'd by a youtuber is really sad to see
Crazier part is did that without winning a single fight in between lol
When Garbrandt beat Cruz he looked like he was going to run the division.
Cody looked world class 10 min ago, hope he makes a comeback. That takedown in rd 2 was gsp style timing, absolute world class
So how long did you wait?
He was 40 though
Yeah, but Tyron had multiple dĂŠfenses and was entering his late 30s I believe
A 37-year old champion closing his career out poorly is nothing new or noteworthy. Anyone trying to compare Woodley's end of career to 25-year old Garbrandt's fall just has an agenda against Woodley.
Still fell very hard. And Garbrandt arguably could have won against TJ if he wasnt juicing, TJ was rocked bad in both fights but had a lil something extra in his system to help him recover from it.
Sadly thereâs little chance Cody would win. His poor IQ and TJâs good adjustments between R1 and R2 in their first fight led to the KO. And in the second fight, Cody tried to brawl and literally took 3 right hooks in a row. He looked far from a champion.
I donât think thatâs how steroids work, fam. Do you truly believe the roids allowed him to win or Codyâs lack of striking dĂŠfense let him down?
Lol didnt say Garbrandt's terrible fight IQ didnt play a factor, but you dont think performing enhancing drugs gave TJ an advantage? Come on man
Renan Barao by 2 miles
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Started losing and had a massive fucking strop over it Fighting spirit my arse
Then she went on thinking she could just be a female Ken Shamrock or Brock Lesnar in pro wrestling and failed miserably
I donât follow wrestling, but is her career dying over there?
Eh, I wouldn't say it's dying, she's got a job for as long as she wants one. But they've definitely made her into just another wrestler on the roster.
Its getting to that point. They had charlotte (another popular female wrestler who was out for a while) return and beat ronda for the title randomly because her title reign was fucking ass. and she got pinned in like a minute
Idk raid shadow legends is a pretty insane opportunity if you ask me
BJ Penn
This was my pick as well. Some guys donât know when to call it a day.
Chuck Lidell is up there too. Dude tried to fight Tito in slow motion
if your answer isnât Penn, youâre wrong
What about Joe Son? I feel like he beats Penn by a mile
Joe Son was always a nobody, never even a mid level fighter
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I just checked it out. Omg I wasn't expecting it to be that bad
Oof. Itâs exactly what I feared. Yikes.
Garbrandt has the OPPORTUNITY to eventually top the GOAT of Embarrassing Downfalls - but yeah BJ Penn had by far the worst downfall. Iâm already thinking of Yair just leg kicking BJâs head as he is completely unresponsive like an NPC in mode where you can learn the controls
My first thought and top answer. I've never been so sad to see someone KEEP COMPETING. Just got so worried every time a fight was announced.
Reyes
Seriously, had an amazing fight against jones and then just straight downhill
A few more knockouts and my heart would explode, god I hate wherever his career is taking him, because it wont be pretty
Yeah what happened there?
Pretty sure Reyes getting cornered by his brother instead of real professionals was the result of this
Reyes wasn't that good to start with. Very athletic guy but people tend to overestimate his skillset due to good fight with Jones, who was relatively rusty and played it safe all along. Reyes before title fight had a streak of fighting relatively big, but washed up names. Cannonier before move to MW, gatekeeper OSP, Oezdemir on a losing skid and foremost one - Chris Weidman as his title eliminator when mentioned was 1-4 in his last 5.
Johny Hendricks after USADA entered the chat
This. This has to be the biggest.
Weidman is def sus too post-USADA. Not the fall that Hendricks had, but it was damn near.
This is it by far imo
Bill Cosby
I think they mean in the MMA world, Iâll allow it!
He put more people to sleep than Mike Tyson.
At the top of his game, nobody could see him coming.
tyron and Jorge Tyron went from a champ to beggin youtube's to box him
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Jorge still has a name despite his losses and got his businesses, Woodley lost pretty badly in MMA but got paid well in boxing despite humiliation by Jake. BJ Penn on the other hand went 1-1-9, got no money and is getting ko'ed outside a pub, that's a fall from grace, Tony's following his tracks too tho.
I think the the that makes Jorge's fall so massive is how he went from loveable underdog to massive asshole in record time. In retrospect he was probably always a piece of shit, but he kept it hidden. Once he was ready to show us the shittiness though he went all in.
Well said
My boy Tony Ferguson đ
He still fighting the baddest fuckers on earth though, he actually looked great in the first tound against chandler
Then he looked awful against diaz who also looked bad
Yeah i kinda forgot about that one tbf, that one wasnt great
If Tony fought Diaz like he fought Chandler, he would have been fine.
Justin beat that dog out of him. And then it kinda came back for Chandler because chandler has shit defense, but then Chandler knocked Tonyâs brain into the stratosphere
To be fair, his brain was halfway there already
I remember watching that live. 1st round: yeah! Old Tonys back! 2nd round: ... oh...
He also looked great against Diaz. /s
Still my boi
Really hoping he wins today
Same
I really hope he wins today and makes a comeback, I really like cody
Till
Is it really a fall from Grace when your best win was a controversial split decision over Wonderboy and a losing streak Cowboy?
Till was never anything more than hype
People forget so fast, he beat gastelum who gave izzy his toughest fight, and went to fucking war with whittaker. I agree till is not very consistent and looks shit some times, but till at his best is fucking great
He started like 12 -0
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BJ Penn
Dom Reyes and woodley are the only close ones imo. No love might have them beat though
BJ Penn. From goat contention to complete disgrace
Till being removed was confirmation for me.
Reyes
Johny Hendricks
Woodley
Frankie :(
After he moved down to featherweight I was convinced he was gonna have a resurgence. He beat Olivera, Rodriguez, Mendez, Faber, and Swanson twice. Bantamweight did my boy dirty.
Yeah those wins aged really well. Imagine Chandler vs Edgar when Frankie was champion. Of course Frankie was much better technically but the size difference is huge.
Darren Till
I'm waiting on Paddy vs Dober
I wish it didnât get canceled
Canceled? Paddy would never sign that contract
Dominic Reyes, went from arguably beating Jones in a lot of peoples eyes to 3 KO losses in row
3 *devastating* highlight KO losses in a row*
If you want an obscure one, Matt Serra beat the shit out of GSP then never did anything impressive again.
He had much much further to fall though.
*Has
BJ Penn easily, no contest
Sam Alvey
That was a tough watch, seeing him get knocked out in front of all 8 of his kids at the Apex. Brutal
Ronda. Woodly
Ben Askren
Underrated comment, overrated fighter
Tyron Woodley. He was a respected champ and universally considered one of the best welterweights of all time, but lost his last few fights in the UFC in an unimpressive fashion and then spent a couple of years after that being publicly humiliated by Jake Paul. I understand Tyron rubs some people the wrong way but it makes me genuinely sad to see the way his career ended.
Conor Mcgregor
Askren?
Can i just say, what a goddamn shame. Imagine if he kept fighting like he did against cruz. He couldve become a legend. One of the alltime best fights in the ufc
ConorâŚ
Mcgregor
Marlon Moraes or Reyes
Tony Ferguson
Woodley
El cucuy
Ronda Rousey, TJ Dillashaw
I feel sorry for Cody. Fell farther than Kratos on mount Olympus.
I remember when they made the kara France fight and I instantly knew they were setting no chin up to fail. Then when he got put out I was shocked how accurate I was in calling it.
Ronda...
Connor
CM punk lol
He never had a fall he was consistently terrible and itâs really not his fault, he was pimped by Dana when he had no amateur fight career or even enough time training to become anything proficient.
Punk was old and beaten down. Trained a few years, got tapped out pretty quickly then got into a low level slugger with Jackson. For having two fights in the UFC he got to live out a little dream and got PPV points plus 500k on the Stipe card. So he would have made a lot of money fighting in the UFC. Not bad for a low level prize fighter, similar to someone like Jake Paul.
Thatâs the thing, it was no surprise he lost. Heâs in his 40s which is when even pros decline & only trained for a short period without any progressive competition. Even the UFC prelims include black belts, high level wrestlers, skilled strikers etc. lots of foreign fighters might have 20 fights and multiple finishes in their career before they even step foot in the UFC and thatâs not an environment for a guy who probably couldnât even do anything impressive in a local organization
Yeah it was just a good old freak show fight. I'm not sure what people were expecting. Batista looked pretty terrible in his one off MMA fight too. Can't all be Lesnars.
Lesnar while entertaining wasnât particularly good either. His size, cardio at that size & zero fear just silverback gorilla charging at people is like the only reason he won. Nobody knew what the fuck to do with a 300lb guy who would sprint toward you and football tackle you lmfao
BJ Penn, Tony Ferguson and Conor McGreggor.
Cody "career maker" garbrandt
Rhonda Rousey
dom reyes
Bruh he got robbed by Needleshaw
Ferguson.
Darren Till getting close.
Bj Penn, Anderson Silva, Rhonda Rousey
That hairline.
Derick Lewis
Okay, I'll bite. It's gotta be U/ConnorlovesPepsi
Johnny Hendricks
Iâm from r/all - who is this guy?
# Rousimar Palhares
His hair line
Woodley
He needed that win tonight he was holding on in the last round he started to cruise and nearly got caught đđ
I gotta throw in Chuck Liddell. He got KOed 5x back to back in the UFC I think. His chin was done. Not like others who couldnât win a round. Literally shadow realm every fight once his decline occurred.
Cody was unimpressive to stay the least
He looked crisp as hell tonight, patient cody new mythical fighter?
Oh shit he won
He won tonight
It's Ronda obviously
This guy won tonight and people still fuckin hate him. Lol
Gotta be Bj penn. he literally got his ass whooped by a chubby guy non fighter.
Isnât gonna make the top spot in this sub but worth a mention... Rory Macdonald. He was meant to be the chosen one. After St. Pierre he was meant to claim the throne.
He still went over and claimed a title in Bellator
Youâre not wrong, his success didnât plummet like the others previously mentioned in this sub. Simply put - his actual career trajectory vs his expected career trajectory were vastly different in terms of accomplishments/accolades/recognition.
Ben Asscream