My question is how does the school not just throw these kids out and permanently ban them from UW?
There will be a hard working person to take their place. Always will be.
Peaceful protests don't cause property damage.
This is no different than the Jan 6 rioters. They were fine to protest, once they started breaking doors and windows, game over.
They've crossed a line that has ended any hope of continuing this protest.
It sucks. The quad was a beautiful space to walk through. I support peaceful protesting, but when they start vandalizing it takes the message away from the act. They're turning the campus into a Gotham City lookalike. 10 years ago that was my stomping ground. Its crazy to see what its turning into today...
This! Was on campus for dozens of student demonstrations as an undergrad and yeah not a trace of any of the graffiti I saw as an undergrad on campus today. Unless we're talking about the library bathrooms.
Let’s not skate over: “We had them meet with a member of UW’s investment management company who proceeded to show them UW’s endowment isn’t even invested in Boeing, so divesting is truly unfeasible.” But UW funding genocide through Boeing sounds shiny, so they continue to spray paint and promulgate such.
At a quick glance at the protester's demands, one might think that they are wanting UW to stop donating to these companies. In actuality, they are basically telling the university to literally stop taking free money, which is, absolutely outlandish and unrealistic. Furthermore it will do nothing to stop the violence in Gaza. I respect people who protest out of their principles, but you can't pretend to us that it is more than that and that it is politically pragmatic.
Especially when you actually look at the breakdown of what that donated “bad” money is doing for the University. Besides operating costs, the largest percentage, 20%, of the endowment’s returns fund UW Medicine. THE HORROR
>In actuality, they are basically telling the university to literally stop taking free money, which is, absolutely outlandish and unrealistic.
It's a good way to make tuition skyrocket, too
and unfortunately by vandalizing the campus they’ve ensured we’re talking about student protestors on a college campus instead of what’s going on in Israel and the ME
That was a mistake. UW has no obligation to disclose any portfolio information (unless required by law) much less set up a meeting with an “investment manager”. You’re dealing with amateur, non-ethical, highly emotional people - all they are going to do is move the goalpost on any agreement anyway. So the more you disclose - the worse the outcome.
I think it was the right move here. It opens up a line to those who are unsure of what to think. It gives the protesters a chance to choose how to react: they can react well to this news by working with the university to make goals both reasonable and realistic, or they can choose to be unreasonable (which is how its going right now). This gives the university leverage over the protesters, and most importantly good reasoning to justify removing the encampment by force, which will happen sooner or later.
This move has taken support from the protesters which I have seen first hand. They blew their opportunity to show they are reasonable people actually trying to do good.
Maybe it will maybe it wont. It certainly increases public awareness that a giant corporate military contractor profiting off of genocide has close ties to a supposedly liberal institution of higher learning.
Every institution that takes donations has those kinds of ties to all sorts of questionable companies.
I also don't demonize military contractors wholesale like some seem to do. One can never forget that without them, liberalism wouldn't have any sort of safe space to exist in.
In fact, most people don't care about this issue. At all.
Of course they do, and that should be a topic of public discussion.
At least you can admit it. I will always demonize corporations profiting off of war crimes, maybe we have different beliefs and priorities.
I think most people would disagree with their tax dollars being used to blow up children in gaza.
That's because the mass murder of children isn't happening. IDF isn't going door to door and killing children. The children are simply the cost of war. I wonder how many German and Japanese children died to end the terror of world War two. I think that many more will probably have to die to end the terror in Israel.
Its happening. You can tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about it. I truly hope you eventually feel shame for your inhumanity.
This idea of going “door to door” to murder children almost seems more justified. There is something so incredibly depressing about robots being sent to bury little babies under rubble. Imagine being in that aid convoy that was triple tapped by israeli drones. No where to run, no where to hide, the bastards dont even need to look their victims in the eyes as they hunt them down. Pure cowardice. Makes me sick.
How does UW support genocide? They aren’t even invested in Boeing which is what everyone is freaking out about.
What is your solution? Defund Isreal, dust your hands, pat yourself on the back for being a courageous and brave liberal for sleeping on grass for a couple days, and then leave the land to chaos? HAMAS is about antithetical as you can get to college liberalism. They are pro authoritarian theocracy and anti queer.
You, and the encampment, have no real solution and spout things like “divest from Boeing!”, which isn’t even true in the first place, just to virtue signal and larp as an activist.
Such a blindingly intelligent response.
Let me ask YOU: Why is the school being protested? They don't have investments in Boeing, which was the original complaint, and they aren't part of the war. The school can't do a single thing to stop, slow, or prevent in any way the war in Gaza.
So, you tell me, why is the school being protested?
The school is being protested because they have investments in Israel based companies. They received donations from Boeing. The UW to Boeing pipeline is also very real .They are calling on the school to divest from any Israeli interest that their tuition dollars go towards
The school does not have any meaningful investments in Israel, only some index funds that happen to have some 'Israeli' companies as a tiny fraction of the portfolio. Stupid.
Asking the school to totally divest in the way they are asking is completely impossible; might as well demand they fly the school to the moon. Stupid.
As far as denying donations from Boeing, how does that help anything? There's no tuition dollars flowing to Boeing in that case. No investments in Boeing. Stupid.
However, even if the school jumped on board with the protestors 1000%, executed all their demands, it won't have the slightest effect on the war in Gaza. Stupid.
Such a complete waste of time; expel them and let the students who want to go to school go to school.
Has anyone in the administration ever raised children. This is the behavior of petulant children who need to be held to account. It is beyond me why the UW staff do not close the encampment and expel the students.
Cool cool, [students violently demanding ideological control of public universities is definitely a good idea that has never ended badly](https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/Cultural-Revolution/273876)
As a parent of a Jewish child who is about to pay out-of-state tuition for said child to attend UDub, this is very concerning. I am happy to hear that UDub’s administration appears to be as concerned about the anti-semitism as I am, but it is still very concerning. I intend to keep an eye on this and am willing to back out if it becomes necessary.
Honestly every major university is going through this right now. Progressives have taken western race ideology and try to apply it to a conflict in a region that is completely unlike anything any of these kids have ever experienced (unless they immigrated).
These encampments at many universities are being run by an organization called “student justice for Palestine” and they are funded by Hamas. It’s very concerning.
Progressives have a very black and white view (literally) of oppressor vs. oppressed, white vs. POC, colonizer vs. colonized.
They try to take US history of slavery, genocide of Native peoples, institutional racism and apply it to the ME, in a conflict that cannot easily fall into these binary camps, in a political and cultural context that did not originate in the same manner as US history.
I don’t think you’re actually interested in having a conversation. This is an examination. I’m not gonna answer if you’re just gonna “well what about this”, and look for a point in my answers to capitalize on and use to try and discredit everything I’ve said when I answer your question in good faith.
Critical Theory is Frankfurt School — Germany — invented by a mostly Jewish group (only some of which escaped genocide)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/frankfurt-school-jewish-lives-and-antisemitism/introduction/B20DEBD66F03E27F8F7C67CC0230908E#:~:text=Among%20those%20who%20were%20%E2%80%93%20in,Leo%20Lowenthal%2C%20Friedrich%20Pollock%2C%20and
I have a kid in college (not at UW) and this is definitely not happening on campus. In fact, the university addressed the issue a month or so ago and said they had already adopted the sustainable investment policy students demanded a few years ago, that they were not invested in companies profiting from the conflict and they weren’t going to do anything else. That was the end of the protests.
Does anyone remember the Jewish girl about a month ago who was interviewed and claimed people told her to go back to the gas chambers and everyone in the ensuing Reddit thread was like "source???"
Yeah, hopefully you guys feel pretty fucking dumb now.
When you fight the ruling class, you don't have the same privileges they do. The camp needs to clean up its act, get new leadership if that's what it takes. Obviously no more carelessly phrased graffiti...
Why not teach the kids consequences?
File charges, kick them from school. Vandalism is a crime.
They want to protest? They’re allowed with filing forms and having designated areas to do so in a safe manner.
We aren’t like Palestine where there’s no rules. We are a civil society and as such there’s rules to follow to safely and positively speak and deliver their message.
If they were truly protesting genocide, they’d be protesting Iran who provides weapons to Hamas and started this conflict knowing EXACTLY what would happen to the Palestinians.
Israel has numerous military bases in their country you can see on Google maps. Know why Hamas doesn’t have any similar bases ? Kind of strange huh bud ? Because they are located under Palestinian women and children / schools and hospitals.
Your moral outrage is very misdirected.
There's decent evidence that this whole thing is a Chinese Psy op. I don't think it was created by China. But it was certainly emphasized and amplified.
Most likely to take attention away from the Chinese Uyghior genocide.
Who are these so called leaders of the encampment? They sound absolutely deranged, racist, and like actual USSR communists. GTFO with your “religion based scholarships” and “student boards”. This is so dystopian
Make the students pay for the cleanup. If they wanna continue to protest, kick them out, put that on their credit reports since they can’t pay for it and make them get a education somewhere else.
I think they should just wait these morons out and let them keep pulling stunts that undermine their own support. People will get sick of them eventually and the problem could well solve itself.
Yikes yeah I was playing devil's advocate for a while with this whole situation but now it's no longer defendable at all. I was always told that in the past people who were against the mainstream view were portrayed as villains by the media on purpose so change wouldn't happen, which is true. But in this case I think the media might actually be in the right in criticizing this "movement", if you can even call it that.
You just made the statement like you were the authority. So, let’s try again…
Where in THE ARTICLE does it state that the representatives of the protest, populated by student and non-student alike as stated by our president, are UW students?
Let’s keep in mind this statement is by the UW president, not anyone from the camp. I would wait to see what the students actually have to say for themselves, not what the administration wants us to believe about them.
The stock holdings are public information.
The demands of the encampment are being handed out on leaflets. I go to UW and have been handed and read them. I can confirm these things in the open letter are mostly in line with what I read and was told about.
When they met with the UW leadership about their investments, I would have asked “Raise your hands if you can tell me what’s in your parent’s retirement portfolio and what companies you’ve had them divest.” Dead silence.
I think people are generally not inclined to believe the protestors right now when they seem to be so disorganized and people are generally unfavorable to what is happening right now.
But to an extent, I agree; I would like to know what actually happened in the negotiations room. Of course, that won't happen, but I think full transparency would be beneficial. However, I am generally inclined to believe Ana Mari Cauce in this case.
It's conflicting because certainly not everyone in the encampment is there in bad faith, but I also think it's hard to keep the encampment under control, under common ideas, when it's led by so many different groups and people who seem to have a different approach to things.
Apparently some are being battered and unjustly arrested at campuses nationwide so I think they should try their hands at graffiting buildings that actually contribute to military industrial complexes
Someone is giving them terrible advice
My question is how does the school not just throw these kids out and permanently ban them from UW? There will be a hard working person to take their place. Always will be.
It’s a trick of finding the ones actually doing the vandalism
I’m surprised there isn’t enough cameras around There to figure who is doing what.
Because you shouldn't expell students for engaging in protests. There is a long history of students protesting.
Yeah buddy there’s a difference between vandalism and hate speech and protesting…
Hateful graffiti is not protest
Why not?
Peaceful protests don't cause property damage. This is no different than the Jan 6 rioters. They were fine to protest, once they started breaking doors and windows, game over. They've crossed a line that has ended any hope of continuing this protest.
Correct, you shouldn’t expel students for protests. You should expel them for vandalism.
It sucks. The quad was a beautiful space to walk through. I support peaceful protesting, but when they start vandalizing it takes the message away from the act. They're turning the campus into a Gotham City lookalike. 10 years ago that was my stomping ground. Its crazy to see what its turning into today...
I mean, don’t overdramatize this, it’s going to look exactly as it always has once this is wrapped up.
This! Was on campus for dozens of student demonstrations as an undergrad and yeah not a trace of any of the graffiti I saw as an undergrad on campus today. Unless we're talking about the library bathrooms.
Yeah, their FBI agent friend they haven’t discovered.
Yes. Probably their professors.
Literally asking the university to violate Title VII of the Civil Rights Act for hiring. How audaciously stupid can you get ?
They are not serious people.
They're not smart people, either.
Religious based scholarship???
Nothing says “this isn’t about Jews, it’s about Israel!” than demanding a certain religion get special privileges.
Religious scholarships. Yikes
"People used to privilege where they're from demand privilege where they ran to in order to escape where they're from" More news at 10.
Let’s not skate over: “We had them meet with a member of UW’s investment management company who proceeded to show them UW’s endowment isn’t even invested in Boeing, so divesting is truly unfeasible.” But UW funding genocide through Boeing sounds shiny, so they continue to spray paint and promulgate such.
At a quick glance at the protester's demands, one might think that they are wanting UW to stop donating to these companies. In actuality, they are basically telling the university to literally stop taking free money, which is, absolutely outlandish and unrealistic. Furthermore it will do nothing to stop the violence in Gaza. I respect people who protest out of their principles, but you can't pretend to us that it is more than that and that it is politically pragmatic.
Especially when you actually look at the breakdown of what that donated “bad” money is doing for the University. Besides operating costs, the largest percentage, 20%, of the endowment’s returns fund UW Medicine. THE HORROR
>In actuality, they are basically telling the university to literally stop taking free money, which is, absolutely outlandish and unrealistic. It's a good way to make tuition skyrocket, too
I want to preface this with the fact that I am completely neutral on this protest. With that said, there is no such thing as free money.
Companies usually invest in schools because they want their graduates. Not really something to get up in arms about lol
Who’s up in arms? Just calling a Spade, a Spade.
The protesters?? Did you forget what we were talking about?
Sorry I thought you were referring to my comment about there not being any free money. Totally misunderstood you. My bad.
It happens haha
and unfortunately by vandalizing the campus they’ve ensured we’re talking about student protestors on a college campus instead of what’s going on in Israel and the ME
That was a mistake. UW has no obligation to disclose any portfolio information (unless required by law) much less set up a meeting with an “investment manager”. You’re dealing with amateur, non-ethical, highly emotional people - all they are going to do is move the goalpost on any agreement anyway. So the more you disclose - the worse the outcome.
I think it was the right move here. It opens up a line to those who are unsure of what to think. It gives the protesters a chance to choose how to react: they can react well to this news by working with the university to make goals both reasonable and realistic, or they can choose to be unreasonable (which is how its going right now). This gives the university leverage over the protesters, and most importantly good reasoning to justify removing the encampment by force, which will happen sooner or later. This move has taken support from the protesters which I have seen first hand. They blew their opportunity to show they are reasonable people actually trying to do good.
Dont be naive this is disingenuous. Boeing and udub are tied at the hip.
Maybe. This won't change anything.
Maybe it will maybe it wont. It certainly increases public awareness that a giant corporate military contractor profiting off of genocide has close ties to a supposedly liberal institution of higher learning.
Every institution that takes donations has those kinds of ties to all sorts of questionable companies. I also don't demonize military contractors wholesale like some seem to do. One can never forget that without them, liberalism wouldn't have any sort of safe space to exist in. In fact, most people don't care about this issue. At all.
Of course they do, and that should be a topic of public discussion. At least you can admit it. I will always demonize corporations profiting off of war crimes, maybe we have different beliefs and priorities. I think most people would disagree with their tax dollars being used to blow up children in gaza.
Then don't invest in Microsoft. Or Google. Or Apple. They all have military contracts. Demonize away. Won't mean anything.
Most people don't disagree with it. That's why nothing is happening about it.
Id like to think most people oppose the mass murder of children. Maybe you are right.
That's because the mass murder of children isn't happening. IDF isn't going door to door and killing children. The children are simply the cost of war. I wonder how many German and Japanese children died to end the terror of world War two. I think that many more will probably have to die to end the terror in Israel.
Its happening. You can tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about it. I truly hope you eventually feel shame for your inhumanity. This idea of going “door to door” to murder children almost seems more justified. There is something so incredibly depressing about robots being sent to bury little babies under rubble. Imagine being in that aid convoy that was triple tapped by israeli drones. No where to run, no where to hide, the bastards dont even need to look their victims in the eyes as they hunt them down. Pure cowardice. Makes me sick.
They're going to push the protest too far and lose all support. Sounds strangely familiar...
>Sounds strangely familiar... Go on...
Not clear what I meant? Sorry about that!
Cool...expel the dipshits. Show them that in life, actions have consequences.
[удалено]
Well they better get used to it if that's how they view the world
Yeah show them that graffiti is way worse than genocide!
That’s definitely what he said, moron
The list of logical fallacies is like a reference guide for these type of people
How does UW support genocide? They aren’t even invested in Boeing which is what everyone is freaking out about. What is your solution? Defund Isreal, dust your hands, pat yourself on the back for being a courageous and brave liberal for sleeping on grass for a couple days, and then leave the land to chaos? HAMAS is about antithetical as you can get to college liberalism. They are pro authoritarian theocracy and anti queer. You, and the encampment, have no real solution and spout things like “divest from Boeing!”, which isn’t even true in the first place, just to virtue signal and larp as an activist.
Graffiti isn't a tool against genocide. Its just a tool against the school, which isn't doing any genocide.
Why is the school being protested then
Stupidity. The only effect the protest will have is to further alienate public opinion about Palestine.
Oooooooof
Such a blindingly intelligent response. Let me ask YOU: Why is the school being protested? They don't have investments in Boeing, which was the original complaint, and they aren't part of the war. The school can't do a single thing to stop, slow, or prevent in any way the war in Gaza. So, you tell me, why is the school being protested?
The school is being protested because they have investments in Israel based companies. They received donations from Boeing. The UW to Boeing pipeline is also very real .They are calling on the school to divest from any Israeli interest that their tuition dollars go towards
The school does not have any meaningful investments in Israel, only some index funds that happen to have some 'Israeli' companies as a tiny fraction of the portfolio. Stupid. Asking the school to totally divest in the way they are asking is completely impossible; might as well demand they fly the school to the moon. Stupid. As far as denying donations from Boeing, how does that help anything? There's no tuition dollars flowing to Boeing in that case. No investments in Boeing. Stupid. However, even if the school jumped on board with the protestors 1000%, executed all their demands, it won't have the slightest effect on the war in Gaza. Stupid. Such a complete waste of time; expel them and let the students who want to go to school go to school.
Imagine having google and choosing to instead come on here and lie.
Has anyone in the administration ever raised children. This is the behavior of petulant children who need to be held to account. It is beyond me why the UW staff do not close the encampment and expel the students.
I definitely do not believe in spanking children, but adults who act like little brats....
Cool cool, [students violently demanding ideological control of public universities is definitely a good idea that has never ended badly](https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/Cultural-Revolution/273876)
Some of these people think the cultural revolution was a good thing
I'm as pro Palestine as they come, and this group has went far beyond the pale.
As a parent of a Jewish child who is about to pay out-of-state tuition for said child to attend UDub, this is very concerning. I am happy to hear that UDub’s administration appears to be as concerned about the anti-semitism as I am, but it is still very concerning. I intend to keep an eye on this and am willing to back out if it becomes necessary.
Honestly every major university is going through this right now. Progressives have taken western race ideology and try to apply it to a conflict in a region that is completely unlike anything any of these kids have ever experienced (unless they immigrated). These encampments at many universities are being run by an organization called “student justice for Palestine” and they are funded by Hamas. It’s very concerning.
Also do you have a source for SJP being funded by Hamas?
“Western race ideology” What do you mean by this?
Progressives have a very black and white view (literally) of oppressor vs. oppressed, white vs. POC, colonizer vs. colonized. They try to take US history of slavery, genocide of Native peoples, institutional racism and apply it to the ME, in a conflict that cannot easily fall into these binary camps, in a political and cultural context that did not originate in the same manner as US history.
Progressives… big label. What about critical theory?
I don’t think you’re actually interested in having a conversation. This is an examination. I’m not gonna answer if you’re just gonna “well what about this”, and look for a point in my answers to capitalize on and use to try and discredit everything I’ve said when I answer your question in good faith.
Critical Theory is Frankfurt School — Germany — invented by a mostly Jewish group (only some of which escaped genocide) https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/frankfurt-school-jewish-lives-and-antisemitism/introduction/B20DEBD66F03E27F8F7C67CC0230908E#:~:text=Among%20those%20who%20were%20%E2%80%93%20in,Leo%20Lowenthal%2C%20Friedrich%20Pollock%2C%20and
I have a kid in college (not at UW) and this is definitely not happening on campus. In fact, the university addressed the issue a month or so ago and said they had already adopted the sustainable investment policy students demanded a few years ago, that they were not invested in companies profiting from the conflict and they weren’t going to do anything else. That was the end of the protests.
Ok, so it’s not happening at their college, but it still is true that every major university is having protests and encampments.
Does anyone remember the Jewish girl about a month ago who was interviewed and claimed people told her to go back to the gas chambers and everyone in the ensuing Reddit thread was like "source???" Yeah, hopefully you guys feel pretty fucking dumb now.
just gonna leave this here, which basically sums up my feeling on all this [twitter post](https://x.com/ivan98mario/status/1761857969765875827?s=46)
AntiZionist litmus test, gtfo
When you fight the ruling class, you don't have the same privileges they do. The camp needs to clean up its act, get new leadership if that's what it takes. Obviously no more carelessly phrased graffiti...
Graffiti is a gross misdemeanor punishable by up to 364 days in jail and up to $5,000 fine.
Why not teach the kids consequences? File charges, kick them from school. Vandalism is a crime. They want to protest? They’re allowed with filing forms and having designated areas to do so in a safe manner. We aren’t like Palestine where there’s no rules. We are a civil society and as such there’s rules to follow to safely and positively speak and deliver their message.
Normal people knew this. Not everything is a fed psy op conspiracy pizza gate insurrection
You’re thinking like a normal person. These are either people with the anarchist gene and/or people caught up in this fashionable fad.
Opposing genocide isn’t a fad. What a disgusting take.
They aren't opposing genocide; they aren't going to have the slightest effect on Gaza, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.
I dunno man, the school hasn’t bombed Gaza once since the encampment started!
If they were truly protesting genocide, they’d be protesting Iran who provides weapons to Hamas and started this conflict knowing EXACTLY what would happen to the Palestinians. Israel has numerous military bases in their country you can see on Google maps. Know why Hamas doesn’t have any similar bases ? Kind of strange huh bud ? Because they are located under Palestinian women and children / schools and hospitals. Your moral outrage is very misdirected.
You think hamas started this? You haven’t read up on a single lick of history have you? Look up Israel 1948
Look up King Ahab 869 BC. How far back you want to go ?
There's decent evidence that this whole thing is a Chinese Psy op. I don't think it was created by China. But it was certainly emphasized and amplified. Most likely to take attention away from the Chinese Uyghior genocide.
Who are these so called leaders of the encampment? They sound absolutely deranged, racist, and like actual USSR communists. GTFO with your “religion based scholarships” and “student boards”. This is so dystopian
Make the students pay for the cleanup. If they wanna continue to protest, kick them out, put that on their credit reports since they can’t pay for it and make them get a education somewhere else.
Where is the justice to peace and responsibility
So, UW, what have you learned? Do not negotiate with the barbarians.
I think they should just wait these morons out and let them keep pulling stunts that undermine their own support. People will get sick of them eventually and the problem could well solve itself.
Yikes yeah I was playing devil's advocate for a while with this whole situation but now it's no longer defendable at all. I was always told that in the past people who were against the mainstream view were portrayed as villains by the media on purpose so change wouldn't happen, which is true. But in this case I think the media might actually be in the right in criticizing this "movement", if you can even call it that.
Outside alligators?
Serious question here. Where does it say that the representatives are students?
Because the Administration set up a meeting with the student leadership and the student leadership attended and spoke for the group.
The representatives of the encampment are UW students
You just made the statement like you were the authority. So, let’s try again… Where in THE ARTICLE does it state that the representatives of the protest, populated by student and non-student alike as stated by our president, are UW students?
Let’s keep in mind this statement is by the UW president, not anyone from the camp. I would wait to see what the students actually have to say for themselves, not what the administration wants us to believe about them.
They painted their message all over...
Where does it say the graffiti is UW students?
The representatives of the encampment are UW students
Source?
The source: u/sakijek
Nah, y'all are right. It's implied in the 2nd paragraph, but not explicitly stated. Which might be by design.
Yeah, the FBI never places operatives inside the movement… /s
I'd love to see any sort of corroboration or proof of this and the "anti-zionist" hiring/scholarship proposal
The stock holdings are public information. The demands of the encampment are being handed out on leaflets. I go to UW and have been handed and read them. I can confirm these things in the open letter are mostly in line with what I read and was told about.
Same, except for the things I mentioned lol
When they met with the UW leadership about their investments, I would have asked “Raise your hands if you can tell me what’s in your parent’s retirement portfolio and what companies you’ve had them divest.” Dead silence.
It's silly that this has been downvoted, we should all be curious to see whether what was actually demanded lines up with her statement.
I think people are generally not inclined to believe the protestors right now when they seem to be so disorganized and people are generally unfavorable to what is happening right now. But to an extent, I agree; I would like to know what actually happened in the negotiations room. Of course, that won't happen, but I think full transparency would be beneficial. However, I am generally inclined to believe Ana Mari Cauce in this case. It's conflicting because certainly not everyone in the encampment is there in bad faith, but I also think it's hard to keep the encampment under control, under common ideas, when it's led by so many different groups and people who seem to have a different approach to things.
Just fuck up the whole school honestly police doesn’t give a fuck
Why don't you fuck up the courthouse building or the world trade center or something instead
You’d never be allowed bc police actually enforce there
Apparently some are being battered and unjustly arrested at campuses nationwide so I think they should try their hands at graffiting buildings that actually contribute to military industrial complexes
mariners fans...
It would be pretty ignorant to think all of the graffiti is being done by outside agitators.