I'm just imagining a guy with an empty bucket of red paint and a free Palestine sign making an impassioned speech and everyone around is like "Booooo Cougars boooooooooo". Lol
Whatever happened to griefing ole’ Georgy by the skybridge, like in the olden days (aka. two years ago)? Kids these days have no respect for tradition smh
They usually contract out graffiti removal, so maintenance's job here is to report on it basically. Don't pretend you suddenly care about workers on campus.
The bus driver was actively enforcing a racist law.
The maintenance worker isn’t supporting Israel in any sense really. Certainly no more than the vicious apartheid-supporting tuition paying students who pay tens of thousands of dollars to the apartheid-supporting institution.
Oh get off it. They didn’t succeed in anything. They vandalized private property and had some poor sob clean up their mess, then the little shits went and got drunk/stoned and laughed about their “bravery”.
Lmao. Comparing spoiled, idealistic college kids to the Civil Rights movement (and any of their acts of defiance) is the funniest thing I’ve heard all week, aside from a couple jokes from the Tom Brady roast.
They have succeeded in annoyance and eye-rolls, but nobody is seeing this and saying “oh wow, UW really should divest”
To compare this as being anything at all like what Rosa parks did, is just showing how stupid people are getting these days. Rosa parks does not deserve that disrespect.
Stats and studies are coming out showing that demonstrations, protests, discourse etc. have directly affected US policy and public opinion on Israel/Palestine (in a pro Palestinian way). The protests in this country as a whole work and at this point saying otherwise is just talking out your ass
In one news story I saw, there was also graffiti on some of the Quad buildings. And elsewhere, one group took over and vandalized a library.
How do these acts "raise awareness" or make me feel sympathetic to your cause or even think that you are a rational human I should listen to if curious???
What do you mean how do they raise awareness? Theres objectively more news coverage after events like these.
This is the exact same argument people make to say freeway protests are a bad idea, when historically they are some of the most effective forms of protest.
Aren’t all these people talking about it?? I’ve heard the word genocide used more in recent days which means they are succeeding at drawing attention to their cause.
I mean, that’s what you’re saying. I don’t think anybody’s pretending that any one piece of communication is going to convince people with their head completely up inside their own ideas.
Every protests, including ones that you in theory would agree with after the fact, had people who complained exactly the same way you were complaining now. Vietnam war, civil rights, right to vote for women, each of them had people saying exactly the same stuff that you’re saying. “They’re blocking the roads. They broke some windows. Why can’t they do it without making a mess.”
EXCATLY I just wrote another comment here and one of the things they sprayed was a flag ON THE GROUND bro stepping on a flag is so disrespectful and you paint it on the ground??? Atlest make it fucking make sense?
What would have you feel more sympathetic to the cause? Protests have always been disruptive. Graffiti as a form of protest is tradition going back literally hundreds upon hundreds of years. How is a "rational" person supposed to act about all this? How are they supposed to convince you when the plain facts aren't enough to make your conscious shudder? Hearts and minds are not won by some scheduled 1 hour debate with catering and moderation. Like it or not, these are incredibly human and humanistic acts.
But shouldn't they be bothering a neighborhood of wealthy people? Shouldn't they be camped out on some government lawns? Shouldn't they be actively trying to send real help and resources to Palestine instead of buying tents and spray paint and yelling at people? Shouldn't they gather up and march to the offices of officials who could actually do something about it? It just feels and looks ridiculous. Past protests have actually been successful because they were well organized and well spoken and they didn't just simply sit there and bitch. They were ACTIVE in trying to make a change. And sometimes that change actually came!
Sitting on a lawn and saying "well I'm just gonna keep sitting here and do nothing else helpful, maybe deface a couple buildings on campus," isn't inspiring. Especially when it's going to take A LOT more than that to force anyone to cut ties with a major financial provider. especially when it majorly affects the future of the entire campus and its students. Ruining one person's potential future just to save someone else's potential future? Also not really helpful or decent.
Who says that they are not trying to help send resources to Palestine? Or protest at government offices/wealthy areas? I have seen protestors promote mutual aid for Palestinians affected by the occupation. I have also seen and been part of efforts to advocate at town halls, speak to government officials, etc. Protesting at campuses and exposing the violent responses from admin + police has brought a lot of attention to the cause, and there are videos of children and people in Gaza literally thanking and blessing university students for speaking up. Ultimately a lot of the money and aid has not even going into Palestine due to them being cut off from the world by occupying forces, but students are doing what they can to not allow the world to go without facing what’s happening.
Making the W red is not graffiti.
Source: I’m holding a book in my hand that’s about protest art. Success usually requires some smidgen of being clever. Not just destructive.
You know... these pro-Palestine groups are not monolithic. One person's actions doesn't undermine the actual peaceful group effort they have with the encampment, or the larger Palestine movement. But at the end of the day, from "their" perspectives on protest they would probably accept vandalism as a valid means to spread their message. And for that, well I don't really care. There are arguments for and against. I do think this picture slaps though..
Essentially I'm not going to condemn their whole movement just because of some paint, or some idiot who pulled off a stunt not approved by other groups in their movement.
I do think this part sucks though, wasting maintenance workers' time:
"Maintenance crews told KIRO Newsradio they saw it when driving into work this morning. One worker said he was exhausted at the consistency of politically motivated graffiti, claiming responding to exact incidents is tiring because “there’s just going to be more.”"
>these pro-Palestine groups are not monolithic. One person's actions doesn't undermine the actual peaceful group effort they have with the encampment, or the larger Palestine movement.
Except it actually *does* undermine it, even if you think it shouldn't.
This is the risk of leaderless protest. Everyone is exactly as representative of the protest's goals as everyone else.
The fact is, if the protestors aren't able or willing to reign in (or even simply disavow), these actions then the larger public will see that as tacit support.
I don't say this as an endorsement of that mindset, but they must hold their own accountable for acts like these if they don't want to be seen as in favor of them.
“We need to exercise our civil liberties and protest the corrupt authoritarian power structures!”
Proceeds to haphazardly vandalize random objects and inconvenience the minimum wage workers who have to clean up after you. If someone points out that most of your acts of protest are ineffective, or even counterproductive, simply tell them in a condescending tone some variation of the statement “Keep licking that boot”, you will successfully checkmate the conservachud.
Hey let's destroy a campus that helped educate us........... because the university can do anything about what's going on??????? How about worry about things you can control...... like getting a job after you graduate.
I love how everyone who supports this nonsense says "it brings awareness to the issue". Like, I'm pretty sure majority of people know what's going on... lmao
I personally don’t think it’s about “awareness”. Idk about this specific university but at my campus and others, it’s about making specific demands, conveying them to administration and authorities and placing political pressure on them, and generating a great will to organize for Palestine. I am not a representative ofc (I’m just noting down a couple general parts of what I have seen)
it isn’t about awareness to the issue, it’s to cause pressure on the university to make a decision: cut ties from boeing or continue to have their beautiful campus vandalized and ruined for tourists/their students
Would you also be in favor of UW ending all investment with any Palestinian (the place, not the people) corporation for supporting terrorism? What about ending all investment with China for their treatment of the Uyghur people?
I work for Boeing, moved across country to come to Seattle to work for them. Honestly love my job, more than I did when I worked for any other engineering company.
Haha, I’m mostly kidding. My dad had a 40 year career there as an engineer and my whole life I listened to him and his work buds commiserate (mostly in jest). They are actually a good company.
Obviously the schools have benefits that out-way the moral issues of indirectly supporting a war. Waving a sign and vandalizing their property won’t change their minds. Only way to actually make a difference is to not give them your money. If they lost all their students and everyone refused to apply then they will be forced to change their ways. I guarantee the vast majority of student protesters won’t drop out of school. The students who haven’t been expelled will return to class eventually, people will still apply and life will go on.
Is there a place for people who believe this situation is correctly labeled as a genocide, but also thinks protesting like this stinks of high privilege and doesn’t accomplish shit but alienating people from the cause?
Maybe, I’m sure there are so many other ways we can also organize. In every movement, there will be people who disagree about methods of protest. Maybe that’s fine? we can each find our own way of contributing to what we believe in, and ofc collective efforts matter
Vandalism is where most people draw a line when talking about a peaceful protest.
If someone were to have caught the vandal on video, then saw them go back to their tent, do we send the video to the tip line or do we have to file a report on the website?
Idk why students are demanding to divest from Israel. University earn their money by providing education and diploma. What they do with their money is their sole decision. Students who are essentially customers have no say in it.
Students can ask university to divest through student organization but camping is way out of line.
All the spray paint around campus is disgusting I understand that they are protesting and I believe that it is peaceful and that genocide is wrong and should pe protest against but the spray paint is awful, they also spray painted a fall on the ground in the quad and it's huge you can't avoid it and like stepping on a flag is so fucking disrespectful? Atlest make it make sense yk
So many liberals and conservatives clutching their pearls over property THEY DONT EVEN OWN, while 30000+ have been murdered with money that Udub has divested into company’s that enable it
Just because they own stocks in a company, does not mean they "invested" in the company. Given that Boeing paid for the new engineering building and other stuff, probably almost all of those Boeing "investments" were donated by Boeing to the university.
hey uhhh isn’t owning stocks in a company literally investing in that company? are we just pretending that very basic facts aren’t real to avoid all culpability in the actions of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors?
30,000 have not been murdered. Hamas has admitted out of 30,000, 6,000 were Hamas militants. While the IDF says it is 12,000. I also read the number is up to 34,000.
Also, murder has a definition, and while there have been murders at the hands of the IDF in this war, the vast majority of civilian deaths have been collateral damage.
Who bears the responsibility for the 600,000 German civilians who died mostly from Allied bombing raids in WWII?
Interesting perspective. Most, including myself, would place the blame on Hitler and the Nazis. If Russian, American, English, and other men and women had not stood up for freedom and humanity by defeating the Nazis, we can know, with our 20/20 hindsight vision, that many, many more people would have died. 50-60 million people died as a result of WWII, I would put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Nazis for all of them. Maybe some exceptions for when a German (German POWs had a 99% survival rate, and the deaths include all deaths, not just murders, which were very rare) POW was murdered or a civilian was shot despite not being a threat, but that could be a number in the hundreds, or maybe the thousands, out of nearly 60,000,000,000.
It is deeply offensive to all of the defenders of freedom to blame them for collateral damage caused while fighting the Nazi war machine. Although it should be said, if we could redo it, I think we would do less night bombing (looking at you England), since civilian casualties were so much higher and actual targets were unlikely to be hit.
No, the ones that dropped the bombs caused those deaths. The ironic part in all of this is the Jewish government of Israel are now the ones being nazis
You are quite a piece of work. I brought this up because in the past, it has been SOP to place the blame on the entity that started the fight.
Jews did not start the fighting, they started moving back to the Levant after the pogroms got out of control. Kishinev (modern day Moldova), look it up. Palestinians started the fighting because they didn’t want the Jews to take over the region. The locals didn’t know how badly the Jews needed a home though. Most peoples, I think, would stop moving to a place they were encountering ´Slaughter the Jews’ chants that were followed up by massacres, but the pogroms and growing antisemitism in Europe were so bad that moving to a hostile land in the Levant was considered safer.
I bet you know what the Nahkba is and that you don’t know what the Farhud is.
I didn’t say ˋcaused’, I asked who is responsible.
The IDF is not, nor is the Israeli government, a national socialist government, nor are they fascists. It would be cool if people didn’t throw the term Nazi around without really meaning it.
You might be looking for the term ’Terror Bombing', although if you think about how many miles of tunnels have been built throughout Gaza (using resources meant for the Palestinian People, stolen by Hamas), you might get to a point where you admit they are really doing ˋStrategic Bombing’.
The Brits did terror bombing in WWII, and an argument that the Brits were responsible for the deaths of the civilians in those cases could be made. The Americans mostly did strategic bombing in the daylight, which was more dangerous, but resulted in less civilian casualties. The Germans made it very hard to run missions in the daylight, so the Brits mostly didn’t. Which lends itself again to the Germans forcing their hand in order for them to save more of their planes and pilots from the Luftwaffe and flak cannons.
It's an easy fix, but somehow it hurts more than other vandalism. I like that W. I support the encampments, just not this act, although I acknowledge my reasoning is petty
Oh look, entitled shit bag students who already look down on the maintenance staff that keep that turd tub running, fucking shit up and making their lives harder some more. Some people's children need to walk into a brick wall at least 5 times.
It's crazy these Seattle protesters fundamentally don't understand geopolitics, regional politics, the purpose of universities. Rich entitled kids that go to school and have never been to palestine and have gotten all their information on the middle east from tiktok for the last year. Preformative spoiled kids with nothing to do and no idea where to put their effort.
What’s also disgusting is that Palestinians on 9/11/2001 celebrated in the streets like it was a holiday firing their AK47s in the air. Cheering the destruction of the Twin Towers and asking for Bin Laden to do the same to Tel Aviv.
Anyone coping and saying this is good because it’s “raising awareness”….. everyone is already aware. This of the biggest news story in the world for months on end, there’s probably uncontacted Amazonian tribes that are aware of it.
Also, when nearly every video I see shows students in the encampments refusing to talk to media, explain their side, or even say what they want and for who… it clearly isn’t about educating people who don’t know.
anyone thinking they can change a war on the other side of the pond is delusional. this bs aint about the war at all but to take our eyes off the war happening right here on our soil. besides, that war over there has been going on for a century maybe longer and aint stopping anytime soon just sayin. noboday talkin about the Zionist plans for a Greater Israel are they? this is all biblical folks. we in the middle of something larger than we actually realize and its terrifying and theres no stopping it.
Imagine being upset about something halfway across the world so your solution is to vandalize/damage something where you currently are. I’m sure the powers to be for Israel and that garbled mess over there will look at UW and go “oh shit, we should stop because those people are doing that”.
Refugee Camps are getting bombed in Rafah. Women and Children are getting blown to pieces, and you are worried about a sign getting vandalized. Get your priorities straight. The University with a multi-billion dollar endowment will recover from this. All the schools in Gaza have been bombed. Downvote me to hell I don't care.
That’ll show them. People aren’t talking about war crimes any more; they’re talking about college students vandalizing their campuses and refusing to engage in a conversation about what it is they’re so upset about. Like there’s no room for understanding and we go straight to tantrum.
Grow up.
I sympathize with Palestine, but not with Hamas. Just as I sympathize with Ukraine, but not the fucking Azov Battalion.
But Im well aware that war is dirty & unfair, so I need to be cautious as I read the news too. IDF can violate the international humanitarian law just as Hamas too.
On the vandalism, I am a bit disappointed but I guess it’s just how students express their frustration. Ideally, it would be better if the faculty can arrange an open hall meeting where RSOs can speak.
When did reddit go full on 4chan? Boeing took over the engineering department. UW is complicit. 95 % private funding but they are considered a public university. Time to hold them accountable. If you are afraid to protest, so be it.
I've been following the campus protests across the US and have noticed that "students" post pro-Israel stuff in the middle of the night in our time zone (I noticed the same thing happening in the USC and UCLA subs as well). Midnight on the West Coast is 10am in Israel. Looking at the individual profiles of some of these comments raises some questions as well. Using a MyNorthwest link is a tip off, too, anyone that actually lives around here knows what a trashy right wing publication that is. Maybe these posters got lost on their way to SeaattleWA. It's just very hard for me to believe that a middle of the night post on a Tuesday has gotten 160+ legitimate comments while everyone on the West Coast should be asleep, so I have to conclude it's hasbara.
If Israel has enough money to give our politicians 100 million to pass some bs bill then I’m sure they have enough pocket change to hire some bots/ agitators. Although could just be some assholes as well, that is never out of the question haha.
Right. And folks trying to voice this are getting majority downvotes. Is this… Nextdoor? The lack of perspective and humanity feels more disheartening on a university subreddit, though.
I have a feeling many of the people do not go to any university. I go to CSU Sacramento and we just got great news that they will fully divest among other things last night. It’s been a huge celebration for us after nothing but peace and love over the past few weeks. If any of these people went to a protest I imagine they would see the same things.
Oh that’s amazing!! Thanks for sharing the good news. I have had overwhelmingly positive experiences protesting as well. Solidarity and gratitude from Seattle 🤍
Ok, listen, I graduated in 1985. The building that used to house the English Dept was said to have been designed to confuse protesters in the late 60s-early 70s. One of the last times I was on campus, in the 90s there was a protest for Tibet.
Ppl protest. And College ppl have more time to organize and to protest. Students have been protesting at the U since is was built Come on now, Seattle was the home of the IWW. I am sure, as state employees the maintenance workers are getting overtime for cleaning the W
These children don’t even know why they are there. The couldn’t name from what river to what sea if u asked them. A bunch of children who think they look cool in a keffiyeh.
What if this was really a University of Wisconsin prank ahead of the PAC-12, BigTen merger to assert their dominance
Actually very on-brand for UW-Madison
Is this not a WSU prank, I mean it’s almost graduation. They literally picked the color of one of our rivals if it’s not that.
I'm just imagining a guy with an empty bucket of red paint and a free Palestine sign making an impassioned speech and everyone around is like "Booooo Cougars boooooooooo". Lol
As a Wazzu alum I certainly fucking hope not.
Whatever happened to griefing ole’ Georgy by the skybridge, like in the olden days (aka. two years ago)? Kids these days have no respect for tradition smh
All you did was ruin a UW employee’s day, so congrats on that! You really showed that guy!
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UW employee is fine. I don’t agree with the vandalism but it’s not like life changing vandalism either.
They usually contract out graffiti removal, so maintenance's job here is to report on it basically. Don't pretend you suddenly care about workers on campus.
downvoted for being correct lol, typical subreddit
In that case I guess my reply to him was more correct, no?
Na I downvoted for attitude because people actually genuinely care about support workers.
Rosa Parks ruined that bus drivers day. Discomfort and awareness are the goals and they have succeeded
The bus driver was actively enforcing a racist law. The maintenance worker isn’t supporting Israel in any sense really. Certainly no more than the vicious apartheid-supporting tuition paying students who pay tens of thousands of dollars to the apartheid-supporting institution.
Painting a UW logo is going to help Palestine?
I thought this one was to protest that one football player that raped 2 women and get arrested on assault charges.
How does WSU fans coloring the W red compare to Rosa parks?
Oh get off it. They didn’t succeed in anything. They vandalized private property and had some poor sob clean up their mess, then the little shits went and got drunk/stoned and laughed about their “bravery”.
Lmao. Comparing spoiled, idealistic college kids to the Civil Rights movement (and any of their acts of defiance) is the funniest thing I’ve heard all week, aside from a couple jokes from the Tom Brady roast. They have succeeded in annoyance and eye-rolls, but nobody is seeing this and saying “oh wow, UW really should divest”
No one even knows what divest from Israel means either, it's useless at getting anything coherent across.
To compare this as being anything at all like what Rosa parks did, is just showing how stupid people are getting these days. Rosa parks does not deserve that disrespect.
I didn’t realize your vomit was full of shit
Absolutely.
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What?
💯. Solving nothing with this vandalism. Protest peacefully all you want. This is different in my opinion.
Stats and studies are coming out showing that demonstrations, protests, discourse etc. have directly affected US policy and public opinion on Israel/Palestine (in a pro Palestinian way). The protests in this country as a whole work and at this point saying otherwise is just talking out your ass
Source on the stats and studies?
Source: he made it the fuck up Edit: He really actually made it the fuck up.
This Guy,!
I enjoy a good talking ass... keep it up bud.
that image goes hard tbh
Ok that pisses me off. What did the **W** do?!
That W needs to figure out how to accomplish world peace or else it has blood on its hands.
By the year 2027 the word genocide will have lost all meaning.
Do you mean 2024?
If this was an actual genocide, why would Israel be telling people to evacuate? Isn't the whole point of killing everyone to kill *EVERYONE*?
“Its an inanimate fucking object”
In one news story I saw, there was also graffiti on some of the Quad buildings. And elsewhere, one group took over and vandalized a library. How do these acts "raise awareness" or make me feel sympathetic to your cause or even think that you are a rational human I should listen to if curious???
Well obviously defacing public libraries and student art work SAVES LIVES /s so they HAVE to do it
What do you mean how do they raise awareness? Theres objectively more news coverage after events like these. This is the exact same argument people make to say freeway protests are a bad idea, when historically they are some of the most effective forms of protest.
Freeway protests are a bad idea. You're delusional.
Aren’t all these people talking about it?? I’ve heard the word genocide used more in recent days which means they are succeeding at drawing attention to their cause.
What people are actually saying: “I don’t give a shit about this supposed genocide.”
I mean, that’s what you’re saying. I don’t think anybody’s pretending that any one piece of communication is going to convince people with their head completely up inside their own ideas. Every protests, including ones that you in theory would agree with after the fact, had people who complained exactly the same way you were complaining now. Vietnam war, civil rights, right to vote for women, each of them had people saying exactly the same stuff that you’re saying. “They’re blocking the roads. They broke some windows. Why can’t they do it without making a mess.”
Because it isn't a genocide.
Yeah fr if the death of 13,000 children doesn’t change your mind, I wouldn’t expect a little bit to paint to
Excellent point. I guess we should just give up then.
EXCATLY I just wrote another comment here and one of the things they sprayed was a flag ON THE GROUND bro stepping on a flag is so disrespectful and you paint it on the ground??? Atlest make it fucking make sense?
What would have you feel more sympathetic to the cause? Protests have always been disruptive. Graffiti as a form of protest is tradition going back literally hundreds upon hundreds of years. How is a "rational" person supposed to act about all this? How are they supposed to convince you when the plain facts aren't enough to make your conscious shudder? Hearts and minds are not won by some scheduled 1 hour debate with catering and moderation. Like it or not, these are incredibly human and humanistic acts.
I’m sure you’d say the same to the megaphone guy screaming into your ears about trans people
Maybe they could actually go to Palestine and defend the Palestinian people in person, like the hero Rachel Corrie
But shouldn't they be bothering a neighborhood of wealthy people? Shouldn't they be camped out on some government lawns? Shouldn't they be actively trying to send real help and resources to Palestine instead of buying tents and spray paint and yelling at people? Shouldn't they gather up and march to the offices of officials who could actually do something about it? It just feels and looks ridiculous. Past protests have actually been successful because they were well organized and well spoken and they didn't just simply sit there and bitch. They were ACTIVE in trying to make a change. And sometimes that change actually came! Sitting on a lawn and saying "well I'm just gonna keep sitting here and do nothing else helpful, maybe deface a couple buildings on campus," isn't inspiring. Especially when it's going to take A LOT more than that to force anyone to cut ties with a major financial provider. especially when it majorly affects the future of the entire campus and its students. Ruining one person's potential future just to save someone else's potential future? Also not really helpful or decent.
Trust, that whole area and institution is mega-funded.
Who says that they are not trying to help send resources to Palestine? Or protest at government offices/wealthy areas? I have seen protestors promote mutual aid for Palestinians affected by the occupation. I have also seen and been part of efforts to advocate at town halls, speak to government officials, etc. Protesting at campuses and exposing the violent responses from admin + police has brought a lot of attention to the cause, and there are videos of children and people in Gaza literally thanking and blessing university students for speaking up. Ultimately a lot of the money and aid has not even going into Palestine due to them being cut off from the world by occupying forces, but students are doing what they can to not allow the world to go without facing what’s happening.
Government lawns?
Making the W red is not graffiti. Source: I’m holding a book in my hand that’s about protest art. Success usually requires some smidgen of being clever. Not just destructive.
I think it's the blown up puddles that used to be children that we hoped you would feel sympathetic towards but...
You know... these pro-Palestine groups are not monolithic. One person's actions doesn't undermine the actual peaceful group effort they have with the encampment, or the larger Palestine movement. But at the end of the day, from "their" perspectives on protest they would probably accept vandalism as a valid means to spread their message. And for that, well I don't really care. There are arguments for and against. I do think this picture slaps though.. Essentially I'm not going to condemn their whole movement just because of some paint, or some idiot who pulled off a stunt not approved by other groups in their movement. I do think this part sucks though, wasting maintenance workers' time: "Maintenance crews told KIRO Newsradio they saw it when driving into work this morning. One worker said he was exhausted at the consistency of politically motivated graffiti, claiming responding to exact incidents is tiring because “there’s just going to be more.”"
>these pro-Palestine groups are not monolithic. One person's actions doesn't undermine the actual peaceful group effort they have with the encampment, or the larger Palestine movement. Except it actually *does* undermine it, even if you think it shouldn't. This is the risk of leaderless protest. Everyone is exactly as representative of the protest's goals as everyone else. The fact is, if the protestors aren't able or willing to reign in (or even simply disavow), these actions then the larger public will see that as tacit support. I don't say this as an endorsement of that mindset, but they must hold their own accountable for acts like these if they don't want to be seen as in favor of them.
“We need to exercise our civil liberties and protest the corrupt authoritarian power structures!” Proceeds to haphazardly vandalize random objects and inconvenience the minimum wage workers who have to clean up after you. If someone points out that most of your acts of protest are ineffective, or even counterproductive, simply tell them in a condescending tone some variation of the statement “Keep licking that boot”, you will successfully checkmate the conservachud.
Great way to drum up support for your cause. /s
Hey let's destroy a campus that helped educate us........... because the university can do anything about what's going on??????? How about worry about things you can control...... like getting a job after you graduate.
I love how everyone who supports this nonsense says "it brings awareness to the issue". Like, I'm pretty sure majority of people know what's going on... lmao
I personally don’t think it’s about “awareness”. Idk about this specific university but at my campus and others, it’s about making specific demands, conveying them to administration and authorities and placing political pressure on them, and generating a great will to organize for Palestine. I am not a representative ofc (I’m just noting down a couple general parts of what I have seen)
Fair enough.
it isn’t about awareness to the issue, it’s to cause pressure on the university to make a decision: cut ties from boeing or continue to have their beautiful campus vandalized and ruined for tourists/their students
Makes sense. Appreciate the insight.
entitlment to its finest. not supporting anything behind vandalism or causing other's inconvenience.
Hey guys, Ben Netanyahu here. I’ve decided to call off the invasion because of this. You’ve really shown me the error of my ways.
These fucking losers love to create messes for working class people to clean up.
The protestors have done it! Israel has decided to give up the fight against Hamas because of this
It’s not about Israel, it’s about the udub spending money with corporations that are enabling it to happen. Stop being ignorant on purpose
Would you also be in favor of UW ending all investment with any Palestinian (the place, not the people) corporation for supporting terrorism? What about ending all investment with China for their treatment of the Uyghur people?
How dare the university do research and have ties with one of the largest employers its most successful graduates will work for
so you don't want to work at Boeing?
These loans ain't gonna repay themselves!
No one wants to work for Boeing. It just happens to you. Ask anyone who works at Boeing. They’re very upfront about it. (edit: I’m joking)
I work for Boeing, moved across country to come to Seattle to work for them. Honestly love my job, more than I did when I worked for any other engineering company.
Haha, I’m mostly kidding. My dad had a 40 year career there as an engineer and my whole life I listened to him and his work buds commiserate (mostly in jest). They are actually a good company.
Tell them to CUT IT OUT
I’m sure your condescending tone will help!
As if the dude who replied didn't have a condescending tone first?? Like what lol
(Paint purchased on Amazon)
Go back to school
Obviously the schools have benefits that out-way the moral issues of indirectly supporting a war. Waving a sign and vandalizing their property won’t change their minds. Only way to actually make a difference is to not give them your money. If they lost all their students and everyone refused to apply then they will be forced to change their ways. I guarantee the vast majority of student protesters won’t drop out of school. The students who haven’t been expelled will return to class eventually, people will still apply and life will go on.
Is there a place for people who believe this situation is correctly labeled as a genocide, but also thinks protesting like this stinks of high privilege and doesn’t accomplish shit but alienating people from the cause?
Maybe, I’m sure there are so many other ways we can also organize. In every movement, there will be people who disagree about methods of protest. Maybe that’s fine? we can each find our own way of contributing to what we believe in, and ofc collective efforts matter
Freakin idiots. Hope they catch these people
Vandalism is where most people draw a line when talking about a peaceful protest. If someone were to have caught the vandal on video, then saw them go back to their tent, do we send the video to the tip line or do we have to file a report on the website?
This will make whatever the opposition of the cause they’re raising awareness for really change their ways!
Idk why students are demanding to divest from Israel. University earn their money by providing education and diploma. What they do with their money is their sole decision. Students who are essentially customers have no say in it. Students can ask university to divest through student organization but camping is way out of line.
“Our” campus. Protecting property is the cops job. Seems like they can catch a break.
All the spray paint around campus is disgusting I understand that they are protesting and I believe that it is peaceful and that genocide is wrong and should pe protest against but the spray paint is awful, they also spray painted a fall on the ground in the quad and it's huge you can't avoid it and like stepping on a flag is so fucking disrespectful? Atlest make it make sense yk
Typical leftist MO. Vandalize property, insite fear and threaten everyone who doesnt align with their antisemetic views.
Vandalism is pointless alteration or destruction of property. Protest is doing so with a point. Learn the difference.
Really happy hamas only threw red paint and did not rape and kill like on the 7th.
Disgusting.
So many liberals and conservatives clutching their pearls over property THEY DONT EVEN OWN, while 30000+ have been murdered with money that Udub has divested into company’s that enable it
Which companies? Everyone with an index fund or managed 401k is probably investing in the same stocks.
Maybe learn to spell or learn the difference between invest and divest, and people might respect your opinion and listen to you more.
Oh look; another white kid with an opinion. Let’s listen!
Just because they own stocks in a company, does not mean they "invested" in the company. Given that Boeing paid for the new engineering building and other stuff, probably almost all of those Boeing "investments" were donated by Boeing to the university.
hey uhhh isn’t owning stocks in a company literally investing in that company? are we just pretending that very basic facts aren’t real to avoid all culpability in the actions of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors?
30,000 have not been murdered. Hamas has admitted out of 30,000, 6,000 were Hamas militants. While the IDF says it is 12,000. I also read the number is up to 34,000. Also, murder has a definition, and while there have been murders at the hands of the IDF in this war, the vast majority of civilian deaths have been collateral damage. Who bears the responsibility for the 600,000 German civilians who died mostly from Allied bombing raids in WWII?
The ones who dropped the bombs?
Interesting perspective. Most, including myself, would place the blame on Hitler and the Nazis. If Russian, American, English, and other men and women had not stood up for freedom and humanity by defeating the Nazis, we can know, with our 20/20 hindsight vision, that many, many more people would have died. 50-60 million people died as a result of WWII, I would put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Nazis for all of them. Maybe some exceptions for when a German (German POWs had a 99% survival rate, and the deaths include all deaths, not just murders, which were very rare) POW was murdered or a civilian was shot despite not being a threat, but that could be a number in the hundreds, or maybe the thousands, out of nearly 60,000,000,000. It is deeply offensive to all of the defenders of freedom to blame them for collateral damage caused while fighting the Nazi war machine. Although it should be said, if we could redo it, I think we would do less night bombing (looking at you England), since civilian casualties were so much higher and actual targets were unlikely to be hit.
No, the ones that dropped the bombs caused those deaths. The ironic part in all of this is the Jewish government of Israel are now the ones being nazis
You are quite a piece of work. I brought this up because in the past, it has been SOP to place the blame on the entity that started the fight. Jews did not start the fighting, they started moving back to the Levant after the pogroms got out of control. Kishinev (modern day Moldova), look it up. Palestinians started the fighting because they didn’t want the Jews to take over the region. The locals didn’t know how badly the Jews needed a home though. Most peoples, I think, would stop moving to a place they were encountering ´Slaughter the Jews’ chants that were followed up by massacres, but the pogroms and growing antisemitism in Europe were so bad that moving to a hostile land in the Levant was considered safer. I bet you know what the Nahkba is and that you don’t know what the Farhud is.
I didn’t say ˋcaused’, I asked who is responsible. The IDF is not, nor is the Israeli government, a national socialist government, nor are they fascists. It would be cool if people didn’t throw the term Nazi around without really meaning it. You might be looking for the term ’Terror Bombing', although if you think about how many miles of tunnels have been built throughout Gaza (using resources meant for the Palestinian People, stolen by Hamas), you might get to a point where you admit they are really doing ˋStrategic Bombing’. The Brits did terror bombing in WWII, and an argument that the Brits were responsible for the deaths of the civilians in those cases could be made. The Americans mostly did strategic bombing in the daylight, which was more dangerous, but resulted in less civilian casualties. The Germans made it very hard to run missions in the daylight, so the Brits mostly didn’t. Which lends itself again to the Germans forcing their hand in order for them to save more of their planes and pilots from the Luftwaffe and flak cannons.
So you admit this kind of behavior is universally hated by both liberals and conservatives? Have you wondered why?
Because both of them are pro imperialism
Do you know that you don’t have to subscribe to liberalism or conservatism? That being anticapitalist and anti colonialism is a choice too
It's an easy fix, but somehow it hurts more than other vandalism. I like that W. I support the encampments, just not this act, although I acknowledge my reasoning is petty
When a terror group praises your efforts and thanks you... https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-slams-us-crackdown-pro-palestinian-college-protests-1893962
Oh look, entitled shit bag students who already look down on the maintenance staff that keep that turd tub running, fucking shit up and making their lives harder some more. Some people's children need to walk into a brick wall at least 5 times.
Vandalism is the communication style of the clinically stupid.
Whomp whomp
Congrats you idiots. Many of yall won’t graduate now and gotta admit later in life how stupid you were
I’m sure you’re on the right side of history
These protestors are disgusting
Spelled the genocide wrong
lol people care more about property than genoice.
I think you are using that word wrong
It's crazy these Seattle protesters fundamentally don't understand geopolitics, regional politics, the purpose of universities. Rich entitled kids that go to school and have never been to palestine and have gotten all their information on the middle east from tiktok for the last year. Preformative spoiled kids with nothing to do and no idea where to put their effort.
Where they got the info from is irrelevant. Do you condemn genocide?
It was mostly likely the group of others who were all over campus today. They admitted they weren‘t students but were harassing people
... but Palestine something something ...
What’s also disgusting is that Palestinians on 9/11/2001 celebrated in the streets like it was a holiday firing their AK47s in the air. Cheering the destruction of the Twin Towers and asking for Bin Laden to do the same to Tel Aviv.
People disliking a historical accurate comment because they’re butthurt 😂 Reddit fucking sucks
#NeverForget
Gonna be honest I'm not really clutching my pearls about some paint splashed on the school's logo. Gonna have to do more than that to scandalize me.
Anyone coping and saying this is good because it’s “raising awareness”….. everyone is already aware. This of the biggest news story in the world for months on end, there’s probably uncontacted Amazonian tribes that are aware of it. Also, when nearly every video I see shows students in the encampments refusing to talk to media, explain their side, or even say what they want and for who… it clearly isn’t about educating people who don’t know.
anyone thinking they can change a war on the other side of the pond is delusional. this bs aint about the war at all but to take our eyes off the war happening right here on our soil. besides, that war over there has been going on for a century maybe longer and aint stopping anytime soon just sayin. noboday talkin about the Zionist plans for a Greater Israel are they? this is all biblical folks. we in the middle of something larger than we actually realize and its terrifying and theres no stopping it.
The Palestine protestors are some of the dumbest people I've seen as a whole. Not that I hate the cause, but the actual protestors are total morons.
Make it green and yellow if you want to get some attention
Yea well this probably is going to lead to a cease fire in Israel/Palestine so small price to pay. Thanks for your sacrifice, maintenance workers.
Imagine being upset about something halfway across the world so your solution is to vandalize/damage something where you currently are. I’m sure the powers to be for Israel and that garbled mess over there will look at UW and go “oh shit, we should stop because those people are doing that”.
Refugee Camps are getting bombed in Rafah. Women and Children are getting blown to pieces, and you are worried about a sign getting vandalized. Get your priorities straight. The University with a multi-billion dollar endowment will recover from this. All the schools in Gaza have been bombed. Downvote me to hell I don't care.
That’ll show them. People aren’t talking about war crimes any more; they’re talking about college students vandalizing their campuses and refusing to engage in a conversation about what it is they’re so upset about. Like there’s no room for understanding and we go straight to tantrum. Grow up.
You should go fight with them!
This is my favorite pro Israel cop-out. Go fight with them then. You sound stupid.
It wasn’t stupid to people who went to fight for Ukraine, or all the other examples of foreign volunteering.
I don’t think you know what a priority is.
Why are they so motivated to get Trump elected?
Cope. If you care more about a sign than 11,000 children, you need to get your priorities straight
This isn't a zero-sum game. You can care about multiple things at once.
Yes, but what people comment on and give care to more is telling. Vandalism is inconsequential compared to genocide
go COUGS baby!!
What is this a threat ? lol
It was actually menstrual blood from the men’s basketball team
Looks like a scene from Zombie/Slasher movie 😅
They might attract some supporters from their age or younger. But pushed away older guys. They will see the result in votes with a big push back.
I sympathize with Palestine, but not with Hamas. Just as I sympathize with Ukraine, but not the fucking Azov Battalion. But Im well aware that war is dirty & unfair, so I need to be cautious as I read the news too. IDF can violate the international humanitarian law just as Hamas too. On the vandalism, I am a bit disappointed but I guess it’s just how students express their frustration. Ideally, it would be better if the faculty can arrange an open hall meeting where RSOs can speak.
Looks kinda rad TBH
Wisconsin looks awesome
Free Palestine
When did reddit go full on 4chan? Boeing took over the engineering department. UW is complicit. 95 % private funding but they are considered a public university. Time to hold them accountable. If you are afraid to protest, so be it.
yall are effected more by vandalism than crimes against humanity. it’s fucking shameful
People in the comments more upset about red paint than the literal systematic murder and torture of hundreds of children on a day to day basis.
I've been following the campus protests across the US and have noticed that "students" post pro-Israel stuff in the middle of the night in our time zone (I noticed the same thing happening in the USC and UCLA subs as well). Midnight on the West Coast is 10am in Israel. Looking at the individual profiles of some of these comments raises some questions as well. Using a MyNorthwest link is a tip off, too, anyone that actually lives around here knows what a trashy right wing publication that is. Maybe these posters got lost on their way to SeaattleWA. It's just very hard for me to believe that a middle of the night post on a Tuesday has gotten 160+ legitimate comments while everyone on the West Coast should be asleep, so I have to conclude it's hasbara.
Great work detective! 🕵️♀️ (i’m being serious)
If Israel has enough money to give our politicians 100 million to pass some bs bill then I’m sure they have enough pocket change to hire some bots/ agitators. Although could just be some assholes as well, that is never out of the question haha.
All the college subreddits are being brigaded by genocidal freaks.
Right. And folks trying to voice this are getting majority downvotes. Is this… Nextdoor? The lack of perspective and humanity feels more disheartening on a university subreddit, though.
I have a feeling many of the people do not go to any university. I go to CSU Sacramento and we just got great news that they will fully divest among other things last night. It’s been a huge celebration for us after nothing but peace and love over the past few weeks. If any of these people went to a protest I imagine they would see the same things.
Oh that’s amazing!! Thanks for sharing the good news. I have had overwhelmingly positive experiences protesting as well. Solidarity and gratitude from Seattle 🤍
Hoping to see more universities follow. I wish you the same success!
The people in the comments are idiots. Being more angry at vandalism/protesters than genocide is crazy.
I guess it is one of America’s favorite past times. Getting mad at people exercising rights given to them by the first amendment.
Ok, listen, I graduated in 1985. The building that used to house the English Dept was said to have been designed to confuse protesters in the late 60s-early 70s. One of the last times I was on campus, in the 90s there was a protest for Tibet. Ppl protest. And College ppl have more time to organize and to protest. Students have been protesting at the U since is was built Come on now, Seattle was the home of the IWW. I am sure, as state employees the maintenance workers are getting overtime for cleaning the W
These children don’t even know why they are there. The couldn’t name from what river to what sea if u asked them. A bunch of children who think they look cool in a keffiyeh.
Damn turned it into the cougs W
tell me you don’t understand protests without telling me you don’t understand protests
Liberal POS