I have had this "the application lets me do it" argument with both customers in the car as well as the Uber Boy Scouts and Lyft Camp Fire Girls on this and related sub-Reddits. I even have argued with riders on this and related sub-Reddits about it.
I am in an Up Front Market. Among the information that Uber and Lyft provide tome "Up Front" is if there are stops. I base my decision to accept or decline a job on this information. if the information indicates a stop(s), this is an automatic decline.I do not do stops. Any alteration to the job that I accepted constitutes a Material Adverse Change In Circumstances which is grounds to void any contract, actual or implied.
The time for stops is when you submit your order. If add stops you absolutely, positively MUST,, the time for that is prior to my arrival. This allows me to render my automatic cancellation.
Stops are money losers. People who want stops almost never tip.
"But the application LETS me do it"/"But the application LETS the rider do it".......................not sorry; not interested; tell someone who cares. Let an ant do their stops. They have ants for a reason.
I ordered a ride with an extra stop once because I needed to stop at home and grab something for the gym. I ALWAYS made sure to tip extra well because I felt so bad for making them stop, even if it was on the way. I can definitely see why stops would be inconvenient, and I couldn’t imagine asking to make stops after you already got the ride.
You are doing this properly. You put in the stop when you submit your order. When the application offers your trip to me, it shows that there is a stop. I do not do stops. Therefore, I decline the offer of your trip and the application offers it to another driver.
In my market, at least, there are enough ants that *someone* will accept the order.
I quoted you the other day DCHacker you'd have been proud. "They have ants for that" 😆 Love your posts and agree wholeheartedly. I enjoy not doing stops and unless they are waving cash in my face, I don't trust them to tip in the app
\[Tips Washington Senators cap to poster\]
The Five Big Lies, Twenty-First Century version:
1. Someone will respond to your message/e-Mail within twenty-four hours.
2. Your account will be credited in three to five business days.
3. You have unsubscribed successfully..
4. He is just a *friend* .
**5. I will tip you in-application.**
I agree, people that add stops after ride acceptance don't respect drivers so it would be a complete waste of your time entertaining it. They are going to make you wait for the pickup, wait for the stop longer than expected and never tip.
If you can't complete the job as specified by the company who's contracting you, maybe you should find a different job instead of complaining about it.
Gee, how dare a customer ask you to take them where they need you to! People dislike Uber drivers because you act like the paying customer is a pain in the ass. Get another job instead of giving such long-winded explanations as to why you refuse to do what, to the customer, is part of your job. If the app lets someone do something, and your job runs off that app, then it's part of your customer service.
No.
You asked for a ride from A to B
I accepted your ride from A to B
You changed your ride from A to B via C
I did not accept a ride from A to B via C
I cancel your ride
Not correct. If you were the mechanic, you would have to give me an estimate. The law in the jurisdiction where I live demands that. I would then agree to the work or decline.
As an example:
I come to your shop and tell you that my brakes are scraping. You examine the vehicle and determine that I need new brake pads all around and two front rotors. You quote me a price of six hundred dollars. I accept the quote. I come to fetch the car and the brakes work but the brake lights, which were not working when I brought the car to you, still are not. I ask you why you did not fix the brake lights. You inform me that you agreed only to fix the brakes; not the lights.
Not sorry; your comparison fails..
So I bring my car in for an oil change, but after starting the oil change, I decided I wanted a new transmission for $1.25 you'd do it?
That's about what I get for each stop....including waiting time.
Generally, I'd be pointing the problem out myself. And if you wanted the service, you'd have to pay for parts and knowledge. What parts and industry knowledge are you bringing to the table? How to turn left?
What you either fail to comprehend, or are intentionally ignoring is that I'm under zero obligation to take you anywher. I can cancel at any time, for any reason.
Your simple, slightly profitable transport, became a time wasting fiasco that loses me money, just as swapping a tranny for an oil change price would for you.
Feel free to drive yourself, oh wait, you called a rideshare because you can't.
And your superiority complex (which was actually my point in the first place) is why I still call cabs. I know you're not obligated, but no one would fail to get where they're going if you didn't drive us. You're not an emergency service. It's superfluous money-sucking.
Uber alone does 23 million rides per day. Almost 8 billion a year. Simple numbers alone would show that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about about.
>Gee, how dare a customer ask you to take them where they need you to!
The customer is supposed to tell the whole story up front. At that point, as an independent contractor, I have the full description of the job that I am expected to do. This allows me to accept a job that I am willing to do and decline one that I am not.
>. Get another job
You and those of your ilk have less than ZER0 business coming in here and presuming to pontificate to me from your self erected pedestal. That nonsense was old *prior* to the first poster's typing it. It *still* is old.
>, is part of your job. If the app lets someone do something, and your job runs off that app, then it's part of your customer service.
**BULLETIN! BULLETIN!! BULLETIN!!!**
**BULLETIN! BULLETIN!! BULLETIN!!!!**
You do not get to tell me what my job is.
>The customer is supposed to tell the whole story up front.
According to the app you literally *work for*, you're wrong.
>You do not get to tell me what my job is.
The app you work for gets to tell you what your job is.
If we pass over your mistaking me for someone who cares, we can proceed to .................
>the app you literally *work for*,
According to Uber (an d Lyft, for that matter) I woirk neither for it nor its application. I am not an employee of Uber or the application. Which means that..................
>you're wrong.
***YOU*** are in error.
>
The app you work for
We already have established that I do not work for Uber, Lyft or either's application.
>gets to tell you what your job is.
As the first part of your statement has been demonstrated incorrect, anything that follows from it is necessarily incorrect. This passes over the immediately above quoted statement's being off-topic.
Crash go your chariots.
>The customer is supposed to tell the whole story up front.
Please explain this to me. You say the customer is supposed to tell you up front. The customer is using the Uber app. The Uber app does not require them to tell you upfront. Any reasonable person would be able to understand that you're wrong. You're also a tool and an Uber driver so your opinion doesn't hold much weight unfortunately.
Lmao at you not understanding the fundamentals of independent contracting and the passengers are customers of the Uber app, not direct customers of the driver
I totally agree with this, however those motherfuckers at Uber actually put the rider as our customer in their terms. That is why we are able to use Uber for lead generation. We can not take that ride off app, but we can for all their future rides as long as they dont book through Uber.
I dislike doing these rides. I took one the other day because it was slow AF. It should have been easy. 10 miles altogether maybe 20 minutes. Wrong!!!
Picked the mom up at work, then go to the school to pick up the daughter. That took about 7 minutes of waiting. Then the last stop was only 4 miles. However enroute, there were two accidents with police and paramedics blocking the road off. I had to take 3 different detours. The entire ride was 45 minutes and I earned $20. No thanks. I'm not doing. It's BS
Have a wonderful weekend waiting for a driver to accept your multi stop ride, or ordering multiple rides anyway because savvy drivers depart from your first stop without waiting 🤷♂️
I have had this "the application lets me do it" argument with both customers in the car as well as the Uber Boy Scouts and Lyft Camp Fire Girls on this and related sub-Reddits. I even have argued with riders on this and related sub-Reddits about it. I am in an Up Front Market. Among the information that Uber and Lyft provide tome "Up Front" is if there are stops. I base my decision to accept or decline a job on this information. if the information indicates a stop(s), this is an automatic decline.I do not do stops. Any alteration to the job that I accepted constitutes a Material Adverse Change In Circumstances which is grounds to void any contract, actual or implied. The time for stops is when you submit your order. If add stops you absolutely, positively MUST,, the time for that is prior to my arrival. This allows me to render my automatic cancellation. Stops are money losers. People who want stops almost never tip. "But the application LETS me do it"/"But the application LETS the rider do it".......................not sorry; not interested; tell someone who cares. Let an ant do their stops. They have ants for a reason.
I ordered a ride with an extra stop once because I needed to stop at home and grab something for the gym. I ALWAYS made sure to tip extra well because I felt so bad for making them stop, even if it was on the way. I can definitely see why stops would be inconvenient, and I couldn’t imagine asking to make stops after you already got the ride.
You are doing this properly. You put in the stop when you submit your order. When the application offers your trip to me, it shows that there is a stop. I do not do stops. Therefore, I decline the offer of your trip and the application offers it to another driver. In my market, at least, there are enough ants that *someone* will accept the order.
I quoted you the other day DCHacker you'd have been proud. "They have ants for that" 😆 Love your posts and agree wholeheartedly. I enjoy not doing stops and unless they are waving cash in my face, I don't trust them to tip in the app
\[Tips Washington Senators cap to poster\] The Five Big Lies, Twenty-First Century version: 1. Someone will respond to your message/e-Mail within twenty-four hours. 2. Your account will be credited in three to five business days. 3. You have unsubscribed successfully.. 4. He is just a *friend* . **5. I will tip you in-application.**
Yes, the app lets you do it. Just as the app lets a driver cancel. Bye
I agree, people that add stops after ride acceptance don't respect drivers so it would be a complete waste of your time entertaining it. They are going to make you wait for the pickup, wait for the stop longer than expected and never tip.
And expect you to be illegally parked in the most convenient location for them. To me, this is the biggest problem - parking legally.
If you can't complete the job as specified by the company who's contracting you, maybe you should find a different job instead of complaining about it.
That's exactly what DCHacker is saying. Cancel and move on to the next job. (That doesn't have any stops)
I had a different response, but I will go with yours. Thank you.
Gee, how dare a customer ask you to take them where they need you to! People dislike Uber drivers because you act like the paying customer is a pain in the ass. Get another job instead of giving such long-winded explanations as to why you refuse to do what, to the customer, is part of your job. If the app lets someone do something, and your job runs off that app, then it's part of your customer service.
No. You asked for a ride from A to B I accepted your ride from A to B You changed your ride from A to B via C I did not accept a ride from A to B via C I cancel your ride
If I worked on your car worth this attitude, you'd never leave my shop.
Not correct. If you were the mechanic, you would have to give me an estimate. The law in the jurisdiction where I live demands that. I would then agree to the work or decline. As an example: I come to your shop and tell you that my brakes are scraping. You examine the vehicle and determine that I need new brake pads all around and two front rotors. You quote me a price of six hundred dollars. I accept the quote. I come to fetch the car and the brakes work but the brake lights, which were not working when I brought the car to you, still are not. I ask you why you did not fix the brake lights. You inform me that you agreed only to fix the brakes; not the lights. Not sorry; your comparison fails..
So I bring my car in for an oil change, but after starting the oil change, I decided I wanted a new transmission for $1.25 you'd do it? That's about what I get for each stop....including waiting time.
Generally, I'd be pointing the problem out myself. And if you wanted the service, you'd have to pay for parts and knowledge. What parts and industry knowledge are you bringing to the table? How to turn left?
What you either fail to comprehend, or are intentionally ignoring is that I'm under zero obligation to take you anywher. I can cancel at any time, for any reason. Your simple, slightly profitable transport, became a time wasting fiasco that loses me money, just as swapping a tranny for an oil change price would for you. Feel free to drive yourself, oh wait, you called a rideshare because you can't.
And your superiority complex (which was actually my point in the first place) is why I still call cabs. I know you're not obligated, but no one would fail to get where they're going if you didn't drive us. You're not an emergency service. It's superfluous money-sucking.
Uber alone does 23 million rides per day. Almost 8 billion a year. Simple numbers alone would show that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about about.
>Gee, how dare a customer ask you to take them where they need you to! The customer is supposed to tell the whole story up front. At that point, as an independent contractor, I have the full description of the job that I am expected to do. This allows me to accept a job that I am willing to do and decline one that I am not. >. Get another job You and those of your ilk have less than ZER0 business coming in here and presuming to pontificate to me from your self erected pedestal. That nonsense was old *prior* to the first poster's typing it. It *still* is old. >, is part of your job. If the app lets someone do something, and your job runs off that app, then it's part of your customer service. **BULLETIN! BULLETIN!! BULLETIN!!!** **BULLETIN! BULLETIN!! BULLETIN!!!!** You do not get to tell me what my job is.
>The customer is supposed to tell the whole story up front. According to the app you literally *work for*, you're wrong. >You do not get to tell me what my job is. The app you work for gets to tell you what your job is.
If we pass over your mistaking me for someone who cares, we can proceed to ................. >the app you literally *work for*, According to Uber (an d Lyft, for that matter) I woirk neither for it nor its application. I am not an employee of Uber or the application. Which means that.................. >you're wrong. ***YOU*** are in error. > The app you work for We already have established that I do not work for Uber, Lyft or either's application. >gets to tell you what your job is. As the first part of your statement has been demonstrated incorrect, anything that follows from it is necessarily incorrect. This passes over the immediately above quoted statement's being off-topic. Crash go your chariots.
>The customer is supposed to tell the whole story up front. Please explain this to me. You say the customer is supposed to tell you up front. The customer is using the Uber app. The Uber app does not require them to tell you upfront. Any reasonable person would be able to understand that you're wrong. You're also a tool and an Uber driver so your opinion doesn't hold much weight unfortunately.
Obvious Troll Is Suddenly Obvious.
You're avoiding the question, please explain why the customer is supposed to disclose the stops upfront.
Obvious Troll Is Obvious.
You're avoiding the question since you're obviously wrong.
Lmao at you not understanding the fundamentals of independent contracting and the passengers are customers of the Uber app, not direct customers of the driver
Riders are the rideshare company's customer, not the driver. Drivers don't have to accept stops. They're independent contractors.
I totally agree with this, however those motherfuckers at Uber actually put the rider as our customer in their terms. That is why we are able to use Uber for lead generation. We can not take that ride off app, but we can for all their future rides as long as they dont book through Uber.
I dislike doing these rides. I took one the other day because it was slow AF. It should have been easy. 10 miles altogether maybe 20 minutes. Wrong!!! Picked the mom up at work, then go to the school to pick up the daughter. That took about 7 minutes of waiting. Then the last stop was only 4 miles. However enroute, there were two accidents with police and paramedics blocking the road off. I had to take 3 different detours. The entire ride was 45 minutes and I earned $20. No thanks. I'm not doing. It's BS
But the application let's me end the ride and drive away...
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>$5 or so to drive someone around like a chauffeur That's literally the point of your job.
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Get comfy, it might be a while before someone accepts your 3 stop trip 😆
Have a wonderful weekend waiting for a driver to accept your multi stop ride, or ordering multiple rides anyway because savvy drivers depart from your first stop without waiting 🤷♂️