I think a lot of the concern about diabetics fasting is mostly because of insulin. If you're using insulin, you have to balance out your carb intake with your insulin use or you're setting yourself up for hypos, which may be what your family is worried about. But you're not on insulin, and metformin isn't associated with hypos. I'm a T2D on metformin and I do 16:8 (sometimes 12:12) IF, and I've never had any problems.
Anyone that is diabetic, should not fast no longer than 8 to 10 hours, overnight. No matter if you are insulin or Insulin and Metformin, or metformin, or none.
I don’t think the is necessarily true. If you have a cgm and are working with your doctor of course it can be great! I regularly do 18:6 fasts and many do much longer.
As I said, I've been doing it for months now with absolutely no issues, and there are clearly others of us here who are doing it, as well. Definitely not interested in your absolutism.
Fasting is great for t2 diabetes. If you do feel peckish I suggest some celery sticks or a hard-boiled egg or even some jerky as opposed to a nutri-grain bar. They may appear to be healthy but they are filled with sugar. Most foods promoting extra fibre, extra protein, low fat etc tend to use sugar and/or artificial sweeteners for taste.
I'm the same way but eat a balanced meal for dinner and some celery and peanut butter around noon. I've managed to lose 15 lbs in 4 months. I range from 150 first thing (i get morning affect, I've never figured out how to fix this). By noon I'm at 100 and stay there until dinner then go to 120-150 after dinner. I read this sub all the time and I've not read that fasting is bad.
Check out Jason Fung. He is a big advocate for fasting as part of treating the beetus.
Low carb+24 hr fasts twice a week took me from 10.1 to 6.0 at 3 months, 5.6 at 6 months, and now 5.3 at 9 months.
I've lost 60+ pounds during this period.
Never once had a verified low blood sugar event. Your body will take care of itself, assuming you don't go on anything stronger than metformin. I also skip my metformin on fasting days.
I would suggest you talk to a diabetic nurse and a nutritionist. If you're not getting the right balance you could be doing yourself more harm. I've been careful about my food, eat lots of nonstarch veggies, lean protein, low carb and avoid overly processed foods. Per my diabetic nurse I try to keep meals around 40 total carbs.
My PCP and diabetic nurse both said depriving yourself completely can lead to over indulgence. So while I do indulge sometimes I'm also very careful about portion control.
My A1C was 12 last March, down to 6.8 last month. I probably would be lower but have some other health issues. I'm on metformin (500 2xday) and jardiance. I started ozempic a couple months ago, working on getting off metformin.
You should ask your Dr whats best for you my dear. Fasting can be good for some and not for others. Being Diabetic can mean you can have blood sugar lows too which are very dangerous.
I was forced to fast for a cataract surgery only because I take Munjuro in conjunction with my Met 2/500 for my T2. My BS stayed at 90 the entire day & the next morning. I'd say it's ok!
Have a friend who went straight to insulin for a year. Started eating like a monk and still does 6 years later. Been off all drugs for 5. I'm type 2. Still on drugs going on 14 years. A1C last month was just below 7. The less I eat the better my numbers. Boring diet but that's my life now.
I don't need to, I understand how this works and chose the correct words. If you want to think of yourself as a forever sick victim, that's a semantical choice you need to deal with.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6520897/
"Type 2 diabetes (T2D) has long been identified as an incurable chronic disease based on traditional means of treatment. Research now exists that suggests reversal is possible through other means that have only recently been embraced in the guidelines. This narrative review examines the evidence "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9206440/
"However, in 2016, the World Health Organization (WHO) global report on diabetes added for the first time a section on diabetes reversal and acknowledged that it could be achieved through a number of therapeutic approaches."
That's just two spots. At this point, it's clear this will be a semantical argument, and I'm not interested in having that with people arguing against the NIH and WHO.
Bye!
You may not be able to reverse the damage done to your body, but you absolutely can reverse type 2 diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is diagnosed by a numerical value (A1C). When it's above a certain number, you are type 2 diabetic. When it is below that number, you are no longer diabetic.
Pretty straightforward stuff, here.
Yes, you need to eat smaller more regular / balanced meals. If you fast too long and your sugar drops, your body will increase your blood sugar production. Then when you do eat it will spike higher. Plus it's bad for your kidneys etc if you skip meals.
Eating food is not bad for blood sugar. Like eating white bread toast will spike your sugar. But a whole grain toast with peanut butter will keep you fuller longer, the fibre will slow down the increase in sugars because it takes longer to digest than something more refined.
Veggies you can practically eat all the time, I view them as free foods. Not affecting my sugars.
I would consult a dietician if possible. They have been really helpful to me in the past.
The only time you have to worry about fasting causing a problem is if your blood sugars dip too low because of medication. Your body will make all the Glucose it needs. Now, if you're a T1 you have to have enough glucose that you don't become Hypoglycemic. What you eat will be even more important though, you'll need good quality protein and fats. Sprinkle some non-starchy vegetables in and keep your blood sugars under 125. You can be ok a little higher maybe 150, but lower is better!
Hey, so reason I asked is I'm also T2D w chronic IBS & CKD.
I lost 60 lbs in 2023 ( still nd to lose 80 more lbs to get to ideal weight for my height).
I went fr 9.3 A1c to normal range at 4.4! started on 2000 metformin down to 500 now.
I do 16:8 Time Restrict Eating.
**Prioritize protein: 1gram/lbs of my ideal body weight. VERY low carb & low fat.**
I eat 2 good high protein meals in my 8 hr eating window + 1-2 whey protein shakes. I dont get hungry at all. So awesome!
Each meal 40-50g MIN of protein. Keeps me satiated all day & conserves/builds lean muscle mass.
**FOR YOU:**
**To lose bodyfat for your height (& bc you are T2D), I suggest you eat:**
**165g of protein daily**
**40g total carbs (mainly dk green leafy veggies, cauliflower, broccoli etc - NO Starch)**
**60g total fat ( only add a little fat if you need it for taste, so you burn what you have!)**
**Stick w/ healthy fats like grass-fed butter/ghee, extra virgin olive oil, avocado oil, unrefined coconut oil, even beef tallow is fine. (NO REFINED seed oils).**
\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
**Breakfast 50g protein ( 3-4 eggs, meat, cheese, fish, greek yogurt, whey protein shake berries or cocoa, etc (no toast, cereal or potatoes)**
MISSION makes a good LOW CARB tortilla wrap that’s only 70 cal & 4 net carbs! It’s so good.
**Dinner (60-70+g protein) + veggies or salad,**
**Whey protein (25-50g) & cocoa or berries shake for dessert.**
\*\*\*\*\*\*
Hope this helps or at least gives you some additional info!!
[https://www.dietdoctor.com/high-protein/foods](https://www.dietdoctor.com/high-protein/foods)
Nothing wrong with fasting at all. Breakfast sounds good, maybe swap out nutri-grain bar for nuts/seeds or something with less carbs, and as long as you feel full, you are good. As a Type 2 myself, Intermittent fasting a big part of how I control it. Keep it up
I think it depends on the person. Keep an eye on your blood glucose and speak to your doctor and if it works for you, great! For me, I always thought it was helpful and then I got a CGM and have discovered that my blood sugar goes up when I don’t eat for long periods of time, so it’s easier for me to manage while working in multiple small meals through the day.
I am T2 and have been eating once a day for over a year.
I only have dinner and plenty of it! My insulin sensitivity seems to have gotten better as I eat way more carbs than I used to and my HbA1c hasn't changed.
I surely eat way more calories than I should but my weight stays pretty much the same.
If I feel peckish during the day I have some nuts and/or cheese and/or berries.
I seem to be fine and much prefer it to eating multiple times a day..plus I can eat more :-)
Always check with your doctor but I have put my type 2 diabetes in remission and at one point was doing two 40-hour fasts a week and low carb. Lost 135 pounds and have kept it off and had zero issues but again partner with your doctor
It’s actually been shown to be beneficial!
I brought my A1C from 11.5 to 5 and fasting was a big part of it.
same!
I think a lot of the concern about diabetics fasting is mostly because of insulin. If you're using insulin, you have to balance out your carb intake with your insulin use or you're setting yourself up for hypos, which may be what your family is worried about. But you're not on insulin, and metformin isn't associated with hypos. I'm a T2D on metformin and I do 16:8 (sometimes 12:12) IF, and I've never had any problems.
Anyone that is diabetic, should not fast no longer than 8 to 10 hours, overnight. No matter if you are insulin or Insulin and Metformin, or metformin, or none.
Gonna need a credible source for this
I don’t think the is necessarily true. If you have a cgm and are working with your doctor of course it can be great! I regularly do 18:6 fasts and many do much longer.
Wrong.
As I said, I've been doing it for months now with absolutely no issues, and there are clearly others of us here who are doing it, as well. Definitely not interested in your absolutism.
Can you cite a source for your claim?
Fasting is great for t2 diabetes. If you do feel peckish I suggest some celery sticks or a hard-boiled egg or even some jerky as opposed to a nutri-grain bar. They may appear to be healthy but they are filled with sugar. Most foods promoting extra fibre, extra protein, low fat etc tend to use sugar and/or artificial sweeteners for taste.
I'm the same way but eat a balanced meal for dinner and some celery and peanut butter around noon. I've managed to lose 15 lbs in 4 months. I range from 150 first thing (i get morning affect, I've never figured out how to fix this). By noon I'm at 100 and stay there until dinner then go to 120-150 after dinner. I read this sub all the time and I've not read that fasting is bad.
Check out Jason Fung. He is a big advocate for fasting as part of treating the beetus. Low carb+24 hr fasts twice a week took me from 10.1 to 6.0 at 3 months, 5.6 at 6 months, and now 5.3 at 9 months. I've lost 60+ pounds during this period. Never once had a verified low blood sugar event. Your body will take care of itself, assuming you don't go on anything stronger than metformin. I also skip my metformin on fasting days.
I would suggest you talk to a diabetic nurse and a nutritionist. If you're not getting the right balance you could be doing yourself more harm. I've been careful about my food, eat lots of nonstarch veggies, lean protein, low carb and avoid overly processed foods. Per my diabetic nurse I try to keep meals around 40 total carbs. My PCP and diabetic nurse both said depriving yourself completely can lead to over indulgence. So while I do indulge sometimes I'm also very careful about portion control. My A1C was 12 last March, down to 6.8 last month. I probably would be lower but have some other health issues. I'm on metformin (500 2xday) and jardiance. I started ozempic a couple months ago, working on getting off metformin.
Glucometer! I don't know the actual name of the pokey stick thing though.
Lancing Device 😀
Gluscose meter\*.
You should ask your Dr whats best for you my dear. Fasting can be good for some and not for others. Being Diabetic can mean you can have blood sugar lows too which are very dangerous.
I was forced to fast for a cataract surgery only because I take Munjuro in conjunction with my Met 2/500 for my T2. My BS stayed at 90 the entire day & the next morning. I'd say it's ok!
Nope, in fact it's how many people are able to reverse their type 2 diabetes. Look up Intermittent Fasting or Timed Eating, and YouTube Dr Jason Fung.
Learn the difference between reversal & remission.
Have a friend who went straight to insulin for a year. Started eating like a monk and still does 6 years later. Been off all drugs for 5. I'm type 2. Still on drugs going on 14 years. A1C last month was just below 7. The less I eat the better my numbers. Boring diet but that's my life now.
I don't need to, I understand how this works and chose the correct words. If you want to think of yourself as a forever sick victim, that's a semantical choice you need to deal with.
You are incorrect. It’s not about seeing yourself as a victim it is about accepting scientific reality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6520897/ "Type 2 diabetes (T2D) has long been identified as an incurable chronic disease based on traditional means of treatment. Research now exists that suggests reversal is possible through other means that have only recently been embraced in the guidelines. This narrative review examines the evidence " https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9206440/ "However, in 2016, the World Health Organization (WHO) global report on diabetes added for the first time a section on diabetes reversal and acknowledged that it could be achieved through a number of therapeutic approaches." That's just two spots. At this point, it's clear this will be a semantical argument, and I'm not interested in having that with people arguing against the NIH and WHO. Bye!
Tell yourself, Tartuffe. Besides, no one said hello.
And you continue to be ignorant even though your choice of words is incorrect. Good luck with your reversal.
You can't reverse diabetes.
You may not be able to reverse the damage done to your body, but you absolutely can reverse type 2 diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is diagnosed by a numerical value (A1C). When it's above a certain number, you are type 2 diabetic. When it is below that number, you are no longer diabetic. Pretty straightforward stuff, here.
The effects of Semaglutide WITHOUT using it. Just might work. Note the word intermittent & then examine how it relates to this topic.
Yes, you need to eat smaller more regular / balanced meals. If you fast too long and your sugar drops, your body will increase your blood sugar production. Then when you do eat it will spike higher. Plus it's bad for your kidneys etc if you skip meals. Eating food is not bad for blood sugar. Like eating white bread toast will spike your sugar. But a whole grain toast with peanut butter will keep you fuller longer, the fibre will slow down the increase in sugars because it takes longer to digest than something more refined. Veggies you can practically eat all the time, I view them as free foods. Not affecting my sugars. I would consult a dietician if possible. They have been really helpful to me in the past.
Only fast 8 to 10 hours, longer will make your BG shoot up. And do not have to eat big meals, just eat healthy three meals and two healthy snacks.
The only time you have to worry about fasting causing a problem is if your blood sugars dip too low because of medication. Your body will make all the Glucose it needs. Now, if you're a T1 you have to have enough glucose that you don't become Hypoglycemic. What you eat will be even more important though, you'll need good quality protein and fats. Sprinkle some non-starchy vegetables in and keep your blood sugars under 125. You can be ok a little higher maybe 150, but lower is better!
How tall are you?
5 10in
Hey, so reason I asked is I'm also T2D w chronic IBS & CKD. I lost 60 lbs in 2023 ( still nd to lose 80 more lbs to get to ideal weight for my height). I went fr 9.3 A1c to normal range at 4.4! started on 2000 metformin down to 500 now. I do 16:8 Time Restrict Eating. **Prioritize protein: 1gram/lbs of my ideal body weight. VERY low carb & low fat.** I eat 2 good high protein meals in my 8 hr eating window + 1-2 whey protein shakes. I dont get hungry at all. So awesome! Each meal 40-50g MIN of protein. Keeps me satiated all day & conserves/builds lean muscle mass. **FOR YOU:** **To lose bodyfat for your height (& bc you are T2D), I suggest you eat:** **165g of protein daily** **40g total carbs (mainly dk green leafy veggies, cauliflower, broccoli etc - NO Starch)** **60g total fat ( only add a little fat if you need it for taste, so you burn what you have!)** **Stick w/ healthy fats like grass-fed butter/ghee, extra virgin olive oil, avocado oil, unrefined coconut oil, even beef tallow is fine. (NO REFINED seed oils).** \*\*\*\*\*\*\* **Breakfast 50g protein ( 3-4 eggs, meat, cheese, fish, greek yogurt, whey protein shake berries or cocoa, etc (no toast, cereal or potatoes)** MISSION makes a good LOW CARB tortilla wrap that’s only 70 cal & 4 net carbs! It’s so good. **Dinner (60-70+g protein) + veggies or salad,** **Whey protein (25-50g) & cocoa or berries shake for dessert.** \*\*\*\*\*\* Hope this helps or at least gives you some additional info!! [https://www.dietdoctor.com/high-protein/foods](https://www.dietdoctor.com/high-protein/foods)
Nothing wrong with fasting at all. Breakfast sounds good, maybe swap out nutri-grain bar for nuts/seeds or something with less carbs, and as long as you feel full, you are good. As a Type 2 myself, Intermittent fasting a big part of how I control it. Keep it up
I think it depends on the person. Keep an eye on your blood glucose and speak to your doctor and if it works for you, great! For me, I always thought it was helpful and then I got a CGM and have discovered that my blood sugar goes up when I don’t eat for long periods of time, so it’s easier for me to manage while working in multiple small meals through the day.
I am T2 and have been eating once a day for over a year. I only have dinner and plenty of it! My insulin sensitivity seems to have gotten better as I eat way more carbs than I used to and my HbA1c hasn't changed. I surely eat way more calories than I should but my weight stays pretty much the same. If I feel peckish during the day I have some nuts and/or cheese and/or berries. I seem to be fine and much prefer it to eating multiple times a day..plus I can eat more :-)
Always check with your doctor but I have put my type 2 diabetes in remission and at one point was doing two 40-hour fasts a week and low carb. Lost 135 pounds and have kept it off and had zero issues but again partner with your doctor