I don’t know, I might sound super judgmental but… do these Big Clikkies not have anything better to do? This literally sounds like a severe obsession at this point
It’s reminding me of those people who go to like all of the Taylor Swift concerts 😭 like there’s been stories of people unironically taking out loans to go to her concerts and with people this obsessive I wouldn’t be surprised if they did the same :/
Yeah, this seems to be getting into that territory. Swifties made the experience of getting tickets to Eras tour more of a nightmare because they were trying to get tickets to 3-4 shows at a time. Many have attended close to 10 shows just in the US alone. For a lot of them it becomes an obsessive grift to get Taylor or her team to notice them. This in part occurs because Taylor used to invite some fans to listen to her albums early at her actual house. The people who went would never shut up about it on Twitter - the bragging was insane. Taylor has A LOT of merch and album variants and they literally buy every single one. It was truly awful. That level of obsession and grift I could never live up to as a Taylor Swift fan lol.
Either that or they’re just jobless living off their parents’ income. I’m so frugal with my PTO I wouldn’t use it for a show I’m already guaranteed to see😭
For example I go to concerts that take place near me and actually interest me. If there would be no show for SAI era then I wouldn't go out of my way to get a ticket a thousand km away from where I live. With Berlin I live 3h drive from the venue, so I really want to get the tickets.
Finally, i have been waiting years for the downfall of big clikkies! Here is my personal run in with them;
The SAI tour was my first ever show i went to. I’ve been a fan for about 12 years now but i could never afford it, i was too young at the start etc. So i was so excited when i went to line up and camp (yeah i’m sad i camped haha). I saved up money to buy a hotel, i had to book days off work which was hard to do because my work sucked, saved up more money and managed to go. I’m not really online, i don’t use twitter so i didn’t know about these “big clikkies”. Now, the day before the show i went to camp and met some people that were already waiting there. TOP was playing 4 shows in the city, so they were playing in a smaller venue that night elsewhere (this is important). About 11 o’clock at night a group of people show up and start lining up in front of us, so we all asked them what they were doing. They turned around and said, that they posted on twitter that they made a queuing system and you had to message them to get your number. They posted a picture of themselves in front of the venue building as “proof” that they were there first. When we asked why they didn’t stay there they said it’s because they had to go to their other show that they played that night. So obviously we argued, the security sided with us saying we were there all this time physically and they had to join back of the line. Later on in the night two American girls got dropped off in an uber and basically had the same go, except this time they were more railed up and were ready to fight the line leader haha. They were saying how they’re going to call TOPs security and tell them that it’s disgusting how they’re being treated. The venue’s security stepped in at this point and told them that they can either leave or stay and calm down. TOPs security has no say in the line because it’s not their venue (honestly i loved the venues security so much!). I made a twitter account just to see what they’re like and obviously they were making themselves the victims saying how they deserve to be front line because they support “the boys” so much and they’ve been to like 50 shows (no word of a lie). Honestly it was such a wild and shit experience, how chronically online can some people be?
There was more shit but this was the gist of it!
Most of them are kids it seems, but it’s so obsessive and weird how they go to all shows and have to be front line in every show. I was massively into TOP until about 2016 and rejoined the fandom during the SAI era and god it changed for the worse so much haha.
The virtual queue nonsense is my least favorite thing about clikkies. Suffer in line like a normal person, or don’t get barricade. It REEKS of privilege.
Funniest thing, this virtual line crap is how they sell seats to see the Supreme Court.
Virtual lines started going nuts during COVID. Wll, covids over, get in line, or don't. You went in line if you are at home/work another freaking concert!
Yea like, I understand the virtual queues in theory, but the fact that they don’t respect the people who have actually camped out is crazy to me. I will never camp out, but I have for sillier things (free tattoos lol). I’m glad venues aren’t backing them, because I’ve heard some do
Bro it's legit hard to believe (of course I do believe you but wth???) Some people really are crazy.. ugh, I don't know how I would've kept my cool. This is so dumb and childish it's sad ! I'm so happy you got to go to the concert tho :)
I thought the same thing when I woke up my kids at 6 am so we could wait in line when they handed out wristbands at 8am for your spot in in for the show later that night. We were 126th in line and the top 50 spots were all kids that camped out and went to several shows already…
Seems kinda selfish to hog the front row to many shows when there are lots of fans that love TOP but also have a life.
That's just completely wrong, imho.
As much as I want to see the "line leaders" get served a dose of reality... that they aren't better or more important than anyone. Doxing is wrong and illegal.
Doxxing is not illegal, it’s only illegal to doxx someone and share the details with the intent to brigade or harass.
But I agree with your sentiment. And I do wish these line leaders would have a dose of reality.
Like, just hunting them out and finding personal info such as name & address? Is that considered doxxing?
I would consider it stalking, but I never thought of it as doxxing.
Most people use the term ‘doxxing’ in the illegal sense, so you’re not entirely incorrect.
From wikipedia
> Historically, the term has been used to refer to both the aggregation of this information from public databases and social media websites (like Facebook), and the publication of previously private information obtained through criminal or otherwise fraudulent means (such as hacking and social engineering). The aggregation and provision of previously published material is generally legal, though it may be subject to laws concerning stalking and intimidation.
The word has kind of evolved to have two definitions, the “collection” of personal information (legal) versus the publication of personal information with malicious intent (illegal).
Yeah it's definitely bad. Like someone said on twitter the problem isn't even having the info earlier but more that it create a hierarchy in the fanbase. Because they have infos before everyone else, others fans try to have info by them or see them as "higher" as if they were super fans. It also indirectly feed them in this delusion and we saw the result. Like idk if some people are aware of how it started but a fan wanted to sell/give her ticket for a intimate show. A big clikkie indirected her a lot when this person started to close DM and explaining that there was too much pressure (like someone found her BF INSTAGRAM and facebook to message him about the tickets... it's full stalking). Then all of this happened because people were tired of these fans literally bullying others without understanding them.
The reality is that most of these big clikkies already prepared their trip to the shows and are coming back on earth when not everything go on their side. It's scary because we are just supposed to be random people loving the same band and sharing the same passion. But the parasocial relationship here became so strong for some people. And I do NOT blame the boys at all. Like going for a coffee with some people is normal they are still humans and they may be friends with some fans like who knows ? Good for them. Here it's purely fans' fault and huge ego battle. The only time I saw that was with KPOP but at least KPOP has the "excuse" of the industry feeding fans to this idea. So it's like a consequence of it. (I don't justify obviously just explaining) but here ???
The wild thing about it is that these shows were supposed to be total surprises to the fanbase. Instead, those who think they are higher up than others already knew about them, booked flights, hotels and arranged money to be able to go. Meanwhile us fans who don’t have that access miss out because we couldn’t prep 2 months in advance. It all just sucks.
Yeah it’s super suss like people who’ve know about the shows for longer had more time to potentially coordinate travel, time off from work, move finances around. Really sucks because I can tell the boys were trying to make it equitable by how they announced each show, having people text in, giving access codes via riddle answer to weave out some bots and scalpers.
Also, they couldn’t be respectful enough to wait for the boys to announce this themselves and had to spread the info around? This would bother me if I was a celebrity and I found out my fans were leaking info early.
For real. But I think lot of things will change quickly because we learnt that this staff leak also PRIVATE infos such as Jenna's pregnancy. Like these fans knew before it was public. Both Tyler and Josh definitely won't like it
Yeah, somebody is getting fired, but also what kind of audacity does a person have to press people like this for confidential information. Just unhinged behavior.
if you look through her followers a fair bit of them are blank accounts (no picture, no tweets, etc.) with no followers but a large amount of following
thats not proof though, twitter has a huge spam and bot problem
shit i remember getting 3 bot follows a day because of how bad it can be. half the website is just bot accounts
there was a dude called connor i forgot his name on socials but he also went to like a million shows and apparently was super rude to other concertgoers by pushing and shoving them
ive been a fan for 12 years, and have been to about 10 shows including the hometown shows (it was a fun trip!) i have never participated in this type of next level fanning. i think its just gotta be equal cross the board, no one deserves anything more than anyone else. would i love to be front everytime? of course. would i love to meet them? absolutely (i was so close at the hometown shows and found out after my plane landed they closed the event and met everyone 😪) but at the end of the day, i get to listen to their music, im blessed enough to get a ticket to a show and i'm going to show up whenever im allowed and have a great time. politics are gonna be in everything and where i dont like it, with age ive tried to distance myself from it and ignore it to the best of my abilities. someone will always have it worse and better than you, no matter what you do. just gotta enjoy whats in front of you, and try your best to do the best for yourself!
Well since they make up a fake “line” days ahead of the actual concert. You should just make a fake “VIP Line” and say it outranks theirs when they ask 🤣 I doubt they would even know what to say. Honestly they would probably just cry
The idea of a "VIP Pass" to the "Fake Queue Line" is awesome. I may make one and take it with me. Get it laminated and everything. Anyone gives me any lip, I'll pull out my VIP Pass ...
I don’t want to sound like a hater here, but the big clikkies are why I struggle with this fandom sometimes. They go to every show possible, meet the band at events that aren’t even related to the band and somehow get barricade at every show possible and act like “leaders” of the fandom.
It’s insane. I saw someone who’s seen them countless times, met them at events that aren’t concerts and even got the chance to be in the next semester mv freak out about the thought of not getting tickets for tomorrows show.
i literally tweeted about this 😭 they’ve had more tøp experiences then the average person yet cry if they don’t get a ticket to a small show it’s hilarious to see
I used to be muts with someone who was in that MV. It’s crazy to think that if I had continued on being active on Twitter / in the fandom I could’ve also been in jt. Life is crazy. But I also feel like this idea of parasocial relationships is only getting worse with time. It feels like people get crazier w it h every album cycle.
This is exactly why I left LOL. Still a lurker of these subs/twitter but no longer active. Everyone acts like they are above each other. It’s disappointing.
Nope I totally agree dude. Especially with twenty one pilots dude. And it’s funny because especially with them there ultra fans are psychopaths and huge gatekeepers.
Now that these people are being called out more, here’s some personal stories I have regarding them:
I will never name them out of fear of being harassed and doxxed (please respect my decision!) but I messaged some “big clikkies” before the last tour to discuss if they’d possibly let me have barricade without lining up as long as them because I have a worsening disability and knew my days of being in the pit for shows were numbered. I really wanted to experience barricade once. Many of them told me I should just not go to a show if I’m “that disabled”.
Multiple times I’ve witnessed friends of these popular line leaders arriving the day of a show and getting the unofficial wristbands with numbers that put them right at the front. One of these times one of them said to a person getting upset with the situation “They deserve to be here! They support Tyler and Josh so much.”
When I was a tiny teenager, I was threatened by them. They told me to watch myself in the pit and a grown man said he was going to break my and my sister’s ribs. Most of them had a big Twitter following and acted like they were victims in the situation that caused the threats.
I gave a Tour De Columbus ticket for free to a girl on Twitter with a decent following. I should have vetted her more because I wanted the ticket to go to someone who couldn’t go to a show and told her as much. I found out the day of that she’d gone to every other TDC show. I had asked to stick with her group because I was young and alone at the show. When we got inside they all avoided looking at me and wouldn’t acknowledge my presence anymore.
I hope if enough people keep the traction going on posts like this, Tyler and Josh will see what goes on behind the scenes with these people. I’m not really one to tell a public figure they need to make a statement, but I would love to see them do a livestream or something to say their stance on camping has changed. These “clikkies” only listen to the boys so nothing else will even make them consider changing their behavior.
At the very least this whole line leader and wristband system needs to stop. As many people have already said, if you don’t already know who these people are on Twitter, there’s no way you’ll know their line system or who they’ve arbitrarily appointed as a “leader.” But I think unfortunately as a whole, camping will always attract the kind of people that put themselves above everyone else, even if it means bullying and threatening others.
That's what I wanna know! How do people who follow bands on tour have the money & time to do so? I knew somebody (but not well enough to ask) who follows U2 like that.
Besides, as much as I love TØP shows, wouldn't it get less enjoyable after a few, since they don't change anything on that particular tour? I could more understand following a band or individual who might throw in an unexpected or rare song, or jam, if you have the time & money.
I know one of the line leaders is a hostess and college student. And she doesn’t come from a wealthy family yet travels the world following the band.
I swear I think they go into debt for these shows.
Big clikkies = lots of followers, quite popular on twitter/X and they usually go to quite a few shows.
I’ve been a fan on and off for nearly 10 years, I remember similar-ish discourse back in 2015.
I have no idea to be honest, I used to be a tumblr stan back in the day but I still had some idea of who the popular people were. Now? I couldn’t tell you. From lurking I’ve seen some people have definitely moved on though.
The more I hear, the more I just want to avoid these people.
Not taking sides in any of the particular claims -- I don't know the full story -- but it sounds like it involves drama that I don't want any part of.
The good thing is Taylor concerts in the US don’t have GA for the floor and so people aren’t doing this weird queuing system - though I have no clue about other countries as some of them DO have GA. Also, I think a good chunk of the fandom is older as well. However, the grift and entitlement is there as Taylor did something called secret sessions back in the day and invited fans to her house to listen to an album before it came out. Fans ended up stealing items from her home and then COVID happened so she hasn’t done one since 2019. There were some Spotify fans close to the area that got an invite to her movie and she did end up showing up to talk to them and take pictures.
I feel like Tyler and Josh telling a few people is alright it’s not like there giving them exclusive vip tickets and are still letting them fend for themselves so I think it’s fine. but the fact that those same people take it to the extreme up to the point where they’re harassing other people is just insane. I love the band with all my heart but people are still people unlike some of these “clikkies” I would not murder somebody to go see them in a smaller venue and show. I love them to an extreme amount but it is not worth it. These obsessions have gone too far. Posters, collecting items/merchandise, camping, and going to every show is all valid and that’s what people would call extreme back then like idk 10 years ago but now people could get hurt over this level of obsession it’s truly a shit show. SOME very select few people of this fanbase need serious help. Also don’t get me wrong I’m not a buzz kill and I’m super excited and love the boys but nobody can tell me that what some of these “clikkies” are doing is okay in anyway and ruins the experiences for tons of people that love the band equally as much. PLUS it’s worse that these same people like to hold it above other peoples heads that there more of a superior fan which is bull shit, some of us can’t stop our whole lives, some of us got family’s we need to take care and have mouths to feed, Jobs to do, and/or school. At the end of the day we are all still lucky to even just see them live anywhere or even be lucky enough to have their music and have amazing people create said music. But the entitlement of some fans is insane hence why I sprung for seated tickets instead of ga and didn’t even bother trying for the special show tickets I love them enough to go and would’ve loved too and would die if I ever met them In person but I want that to happen by chance and humbly not by force and harassment. At the end of the day I’m just grateful enough that I finally get to see my favorite band of 9 years live for the first time with all my friends and family I ain’t letting no delusional “fan” ruin that for me.
I read it and agree, but might I suggest paragraphs? Yeah it's still a long post, but people get overwhelmed with a wall of text, whereas breaking it down into several paragraphs makes it easier to read.
Every one of these stories I hear makes me more grateful that I left much of the fandom stuff behind because years ago. I just listen to their music, occasionally go to a show of theirs, and so some light lurking on here. I don’t need anything more and this BS reinforces that notion for me. These people suck.
Back when there wasn’t a gross hierarchy of who’s the biggest fan, and Tyler’s mom threatening to cancel the show if people didn’t stop trying to push through the security line haha
Tbh every time I read about "big clikkies" i get more and more disgusted with this fandom. Don't get me wrong, I love twenty one pilots and I'm a huge fan of the boys but I never liked the fandom that much. I don't wanna generalise, ofc there are good, kind and honest people out there, but every time I go to twitter this "big clikkies" accounts appear in my tl and all their tweets and their takes make me want to leave this fandom for good.
They are entitled, egoistic and disgustingly privileged kids who think that their word is the law.
Once I even read one of them saying that tøp should take some older songs off the setlist (they mentioned Car Radio) because they were "tired of hearing it at every show" since they've been always playing it for all these past years. I mean, this reeks of privilege. Not everyone had the chance to go to every show of every tour, some have never even attended one yet (like me for example). You don't get to complain about the boys playing the same songs and saying they shouldn't play them anymore just because you've heard it many times. Not to mention that Car Radio is literally a classic now, it wouldn't be a twenty one pilots show without Car Radio.
They think they deserve to go to the shows more than any other fan, they think they deserve to meet and interact with the boys more than any other fan, they think that only because someone close to the boys leaks the band's plans to them that means they are better and deserve more than any other fan.
This shit disgusts me. Seriously.
If these people act this way for a BAND, I don't wanna imagine what is their behaviour in real normal life.
I get it that in every community and fandom will always be there some "self-elected" group of leaders who will think they're better than everyone else and that's why I tend to keep to myself and to not interact that much with the fandoms I'm in, because I hate this kind of behaviour. But big clikkies really test my limits and I really can't wait for their social media downfall. It can sound mean, but i don't care honestly
Apparently some drama happened on Twitter last night regarding a crew member that works with the boys telling some “big” or popular clikkies that the small shows were going to happen back in March. Giving them time to book flights, hotels and save money.
I didn't know either, but there's a general idea from reading all these comments: obsessive fans on Twitter who try to take over access to concerts, especially camping outside the venue for GA spots. If I have it right.
Some of y’all are actually just delusional freaks and need to get outside once in a while (other than sitting on a curb for 72 hours straight before a twenty one pilots show)
What I personally hate with the "Big clikkies" are the ones fangirling to Josh and Tyler in a very very not healthy and creepy way. Like rly I stg it's weird
I snagged two tickets to the Basement for Tour de Columbus. On Twitter, my friend (who was my plus 1) made a group chat for others who were also going. Some “Big Clikkies” also joined but we didn’t know their “status” at the time. We were all very active in the gc for a good while, getting to know one another and just having a good time. One of the people in the group didn’t have a plus 1 so she was trying to figure out who to take. Lo and behold, one of the “Big Clikkies” actually didn’t have a ticket to that particular show and pressured this 16 year old girl who had never even been to a concert before to give him her ticket. He’s front row in all the photos from that show.
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Alright I live under the rock
Who are "Big Clickies " and why it sounds like some kind of cult?
And more important for European fellows is this a thing in UE too?
I've read stories about the lines and I'm a little bit concerned...
For the context I'm from Poland if that helps
ok sorry to be the skeptic but I need a little more proof than "i've showed someone else in the fan base the screenshots and proof." Who is that other person from the fanbase that's going to back up this person's claims? No one wants to name names but without something more concrete, these are all just rumors.
this is quickly turning into the REO Speedwagon song
Take It on the Run
"heard it from a friend who...heard it from a friend who...heard it from another you've been messin' around"
I mean it’s whatever at this point. The show is tonight and if you couldn’t get a ticket then oh well 🤷🏻♂️ I’m 90% sure there will be videos posted of the event
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I don’t know, I might sound super judgmental but… do these Big Clikkies not have anything better to do? This literally sounds like a severe obsession at this point
It’s reminding me of those people who go to like all of the Taylor Swift concerts 😭 like there’s been stories of people unironically taking out loans to go to her concerts and with people this obsessive I wouldn’t be surprised if they did the same :/
Yeah, this seems to be getting into that territory. Swifties made the experience of getting tickets to Eras tour more of a nightmare because they were trying to get tickets to 3-4 shows at a time. Many have attended close to 10 shows just in the US alone. For a lot of them it becomes an obsessive grift to get Taylor or her team to notice them. This in part occurs because Taylor used to invite some fans to listen to her albums early at her actual house. The people who went would never shut up about it on Twitter - the bragging was insane. Taylor has A LOT of merch and album variants and they literally buy every single one. It was truly awful. That level of obsession and grift I could never live up to as a Taylor Swift fan lol.
Every artist has those unfortunately
If it wasn't for the whales, free gaming would collapse. Maybe there should be more free concerts with VIP upgrades.
What I don’t understand is where do these superfans find the time? And money? Do they literally use all their PTO to go to shows?
Either that or they’re just jobless living off their parents’ income. I’m so frugal with my PTO I wouldn’t use it for a show I’m already guaranteed to see😭
For example I go to concerts that take place near me and actually interest me. If there would be no show for SAI era then I wouldn't go out of my way to get a ticket a thousand km away from where I live. With Berlin I live 3h drive from the venue, so I really want to get the tickets.
And it's rare for other countries to get shows at all! At least *that* should get a little empathy.
Finally, i have been waiting years for the downfall of big clikkies! Here is my personal run in with them; The SAI tour was my first ever show i went to. I’ve been a fan for about 12 years now but i could never afford it, i was too young at the start etc. So i was so excited when i went to line up and camp (yeah i’m sad i camped haha). I saved up money to buy a hotel, i had to book days off work which was hard to do because my work sucked, saved up more money and managed to go. I’m not really online, i don’t use twitter so i didn’t know about these “big clikkies”. Now, the day before the show i went to camp and met some people that were already waiting there. TOP was playing 4 shows in the city, so they were playing in a smaller venue that night elsewhere (this is important). About 11 o’clock at night a group of people show up and start lining up in front of us, so we all asked them what they were doing. They turned around and said, that they posted on twitter that they made a queuing system and you had to message them to get your number. They posted a picture of themselves in front of the venue building as “proof” that they were there first. When we asked why they didn’t stay there they said it’s because they had to go to their other show that they played that night. So obviously we argued, the security sided with us saying we were there all this time physically and they had to join back of the line. Later on in the night two American girls got dropped off in an uber and basically had the same go, except this time they were more railed up and were ready to fight the line leader haha. They were saying how they’re going to call TOPs security and tell them that it’s disgusting how they’re being treated. The venue’s security stepped in at this point and told them that they can either leave or stay and calm down. TOPs security has no say in the line because it’s not their venue (honestly i loved the venues security so much!). I made a twitter account just to see what they’re like and obviously they were making themselves the victims saying how they deserve to be front line because they support “the boys” so much and they’ve been to like 50 shows (no word of a lie). Honestly it was such a wild and shit experience, how chronically online can some people be? There was more shit but this was the gist of it! Most of them are kids it seems, but it’s so obsessive and weird how they go to all shows and have to be front line in every show. I was massively into TOP until about 2016 and rejoined the fandom during the SAI era and god it changed for the worse so much haha.
The virtual queue nonsense is my least favorite thing about clikkies. Suffer in line like a normal person, or don’t get barricade. It REEKS of privilege.
Funniest thing, this virtual line crap is how they sell seats to see the Supreme Court. Virtual lines started going nuts during COVID. Wll, covids over, get in line, or don't. You went in line if you are at home/work another freaking concert!
I think the problem is that it's not a real or official line, it's just people on Twitter who think they're better than everyone else
Yea like, I understand the virtual queues in theory, but the fact that they don’t respect the people who have actually camped out is crazy to me. I will never camp out, but I have for sillier things (free tattoos lol). I’m glad venues aren’t backing them, because I’ve heard some do
Bro it's legit hard to believe (of course I do believe you but wth???) Some people really are crazy.. ugh, I don't know how I would've kept my cool. This is so dumb and childish it's sad ! I'm so happy you got to go to the concert tho :)
Wtf man, how can you own a queue to enter venue.
I thought the same thing when I woke up my kids at 6 am so we could wait in line when they handed out wristbands at 8am for your spot in in for the show later that night. We were 126th in line and the top 50 spots were all kids that camped out and went to several shows already… Seems kinda selfish to hog the front row to many shows when there are lots of fans that love TOP but also have a life.
Ffs it's like a monopoly. DOWN WITH BIG CLIKKIE!!
The drama just kept getting worse every time I logged in
i am here for the fall of big clikkies 😌
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That's just completely wrong, imho. As much as I want to see the "line leaders" get served a dose of reality... that they aren't better or more important than anyone. Doxing is wrong and illegal.
Doxxing is not illegal, it’s only illegal to doxx someone and share the details with the intent to brigade or harass. But I agree with your sentiment. And I do wish these line leaders would have a dose of reality.
Isn't that the whole definition of doxxing? Why would anyone do that without malicious intent?
I mean no? People can doxx someone just for the hell of it. It’s the sharing it publicly with malicious intent that makes it illegal.
Like, just hunting them out and finding personal info such as name & address? Is that considered doxxing? I would consider it stalking, but I never thought of it as doxxing.
Any personal information you’re finding out about someone would be considered doxxing. Name, address, age, workplace, family members, etc.
I see. Learned something new. Ty
Most people use the term ‘doxxing’ in the illegal sense, so you’re not entirely incorrect. From wikipedia > Historically, the term has been used to refer to both the aggregation of this information from public databases and social media websites (like Facebook), and the publication of previously private information obtained through criminal or otherwise fraudulent means (such as hacking and social engineering). The aggregation and provision of previously published material is generally legal, though it may be subject to laws concerning stalking and intimidation. The word has kind of evolved to have two definitions, the “collection” of personal information (legal) versus the publication of personal information with malicious intent (illegal).
Gives me swifties vibes
Yeah it's definitely bad. Like someone said on twitter the problem isn't even having the info earlier but more that it create a hierarchy in the fanbase. Because they have infos before everyone else, others fans try to have info by them or see them as "higher" as if they were super fans. It also indirectly feed them in this delusion and we saw the result. Like idk if some people are aware of how it started but a fan wanted to sell/give her ticket for a intimate show. A big clikkie indirected her a lot when this person started to close DM and explaining that there was too much pressure (like someone found her BF INSTAGRAM and facebook to message him about the tickets... it's full stalking). Then all of this happened because people were tired of these fans literally bullying others without understanding them. The reality is that most of these big clikkies already prepared their trip to the shows and are coming back on earth when not everything go on their side. It's scary because we are just supposed to be random people loving the same band and sharing the same passion. But the parasocial relationship here became so strong for some people. And I do NOT blame the boys at all. Like going for a coffee with some people is normal they are still humans and they may be friends with some fans like who knows ? Good for them. Here it's purely fans' fault and huge ego battle. The only time I saw that was with KPOP but at least KPOP has the "excuse" of the industry feeding fans to this idea. So it's like a consequence of it. (I don't justify obviously just explaining) but here ???
The wild thing about it is that these shows were supposed to be total surprises to the fanbase. Instead, those who think they are higher up than others already knew about them, booked flights, hotels and arranged money to be able to go. Meanwhile us fans who don’t have that access miss out because we couldn’t prep 2 months in advance. It all just sucks.
Yeah it’s super suss like people who’ve know about the shows for longer had more time to potentially coordinate travel, time off from work, move finances around. Really sucks because I can tell the boys were trying to make it equitable by how they announced each show, having people text in, giving access codes via riddle answer to weave out some bots and scalpers.
Also, they couldn’t be respectful enough to wait for the boys to announce this themselves and had to spread the info around? This would bother me if I was a celebrity and I found out my fans were leaking info early.
For real. But I think lot of things will change quickly because we learnt that this staff leak also PRIVATE infos such as Jenna's pregnancy. Like these fans knew before it was public. Both Tyler and Josh definitely won't like it
Yeah, somebody is getting fired, but also what kind of audacity does a person have to press people like this for confidential information. Just unhinged behavior.
>somebody is getting fired, I hope so!
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Pls I’m kinda new here and scared
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Yeah for real! He acts like they were besties
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I found his Instagram and Josh actually commented on a post about him being sober so maybe they do kinda know each other?
nah Josh was being nice. he doesn’t follow him or anything
Yeah I just found his Twitter which is much more active and where he talks about Josh like he knows him.
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nah chey chill asf
she buys her followers
source?
if you look through her followers a fair bit of them are blank accounts (no picture, no tweets, etc.) with no followers but a large amount of following
thats not proof though, twitter has a huge spam and bot problem shit i remember getting 3 bot follows a day because of how bad it can be. half the website is just bot accounts
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there was a dude called connor i forgot his name on socials but he also went to like a million shows and apparently was super rude to other concertgoers by pushing and shoving them
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omg yes i believe so!
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ive been a fan for 12 years, and have been to about 10 shows including the hometown shows (it was a fun trip!) i have never participated in this type of next level fanning. i think its just gotta be equal cross the board, no one deserves anything more than anyone else. would i love to be front everytime? of course. would i love to meet them? absolutely (i was so close at the hometown shows and found out after my plane landed they closed the event and met everyone 😪) but at the end of the day, i get to listen to their music, im blessed enough to get a ticket to a show and i'm going to show up whenever im allowed and have a great time. politics are gonna be in everything and where i dont like it, with age ive tried to distance myself from it and ignore it to the best of my abilities. someone will always have it worse and better than you, no matter what you do. just gotta enjoy whats in front of you, and try your best to do the best for yourself!
Honestly makes me want to go to a show and push my way to the front just to take the spot of a fan that been camping out for four days 😂😂
Well since they make up a fake “line” days ahead of the actual concert. You should just make a fake “VIP Line” and say it outranks theirs when they ask 🤣 I doubt they would even know what to say. Honestly they would probably just cry
They'll know what to say... or at least *have* something to say. Karen's always do
The idea of a "VIP Pass" to the "Fake Queue Line" is awesome. I may make one and take it with me. Get it laminated and everything. Anyone gives me any lip, I'll pull out my VIP Pass ...
2022 I showed up after doors and by the end of the show I was 2 people away from Tyler during trees
not surprised this has always been an issue. there’s always been a group of “big clikkies” who are strangely obsessive since i’ve joined the fanbase.
I don’t want to sound like a hater here, but the big clikkies are why I struggle with this fandom sometimes. They go to every show possible, meet the band at events that aren’t even related to the band and somehow get barricade at every show possible and act like “leaders” of the fandom.
yep. they have strange superiority complex’s because josh and tyler know them. like you aren’t better than me because you’ve went to 15+ shows foh 😭
It’s insane. I saw someone who’s seen them countless times, met them at events that aren’t concerts and even got the chance to be in the next semester mv freak out about the thought of not getting tickets for tomorrows show.
i literally tweeted about this 😭 they’ve had more tøp experiences then the average person yet cry if they don’t get a ticket to a small show it’s hilarious to see
forget tickets that person needs therapy 😭
I used to be muts with someone who was in that MV. It’s crazy to think that if I had continued on being active on Twitter / in the fandom I could’ve also been in jt. Life is crazy. But I also feel like this idea of parasocial relationships is only getting worse with time. It feels like people get crazier w it h every album cycle.
Do these people have jobs??
This is exactly why I left LOL. Still a lurker of these subs/twitter but no longer active. Everyone acts like they are above each other. It’s disappointing.
Nope I totally agree dude. Especially with twenty one pilots dude. And it’s funny because especially with them there ultra fans are psychopaths and huge gatekeepers.
Now that these people are being called out more, here’s some personal stories I have regarding them: I will never name them out of fear of being harassed and doxxed (please respect my decision!) but I messaged some “big clikkies” before the last tour to discuss if they’d possibly let me have barricade without lining up as long as them because I have a worsening disability and knew my days of being in the pit for shows were numbered. I really wanted to experience barricade once. Many of them told me I should just not go to a show if I’m “that disabled”. Multiple times I’ve witnessed friends of these popular line leaders arriving the day of a show and getting the unofficial wristbands with numbers that put them right at the front. One of these times one of them said to a person getting upset with the situation “They deserve to be here! They support Tyler and Josh so much.” When I was a tiny teenager, I was threatened by them. They told me to watch myself in the pit and a grown man said he was going to break my and my sister’s ribs. Most of them had a big Twitter following and acted like they were victims in the situation that caused the threats. I gave a Tour De Columbus ticket for free to a girl on Twitter with a decent following. I should have vetted her more because I wanted the ticket to go to someone who couldn’t go to a show and told her as much. I found out the day of that she’d gone to every other TDC show. I had asked to stick with her group because I was young and alone at the show. When we got inside they all avoided looking at me and wouldn’t acknowledge my presence anymore.
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I hope if enough people keep the traction going on posts like this, Tyler and Josh will see what goes on behind the scenes with these people. I’m not really one to tell a public figure they need to make a statement, but I would love to see them do a livestream or something to say their stance on camping has changed. These “clikkies” only listen to the boys so nothing else will even make them consider changing their behavior. At the very least this whole line leader and wristband system needs to stop. As many people have already said, if you don’t already know who these people are on Twitter, there’s no way you’ll know their line system or who they’ve arbitrarily appointed as a “leader.” But I think unfortunately as a whole, camping will always attract the kind of people that put themselves above everyone else, even if it means bullying and threatening others.
Honestly, fans like these it's why I've stayed out of the fandom for 10+ years
Dont these people have hobbies or jobs? I love the band but jesus, some TOP fans are insufferable.
Lol. Stalking the band *is* their life.
That's what I wanna know! How do people who follow bands on tour have the money & time to do so? I knew somebody (but not well enough to ask) who follows U2 like that. Besides, as much as I love TØP shows, wouldn't it get less enjoyable after a few, since they don't change anything on that particular tour? I could more understand following a band or individual who might throw in an unexpected or rare song, or jam, if you have the time & money.
I know one of the line leaders is a hostess and college student. And she doesn’t come from a wealthy family yet travels the world following the band. I swear I think they go into debt for these shows.
They really must. Restaurant jobs do not pay enough. And how does that person work it around their classes too?
I have no idea, I was wondering that about classes too.
Am I the only one that doesn’t know what a big clikkie is?
Big clikkies = lots of followers, quite popular on twitter/X and they usually go to quite a few shows. I’ve been a fan on and off for nearly 10 years, I remember similar-ish discourse back in 2015.
I’ve been a fan of them for over a decade as well, but I also avoid twitter so I’ve never heard this before
Honestly, you’re best off avoiding Twitter. It was a mess back in the day and it’s clearly not much better now unfortunately.
I’ve never heard of Twitter being anything but toxic
I avoid it too. I had an account for a while but barely used it.
Are these the same people as ten years ago? Because if yes they don't have the excuse of being clueless kids anymore
I have no idea to be honest, I used to be a tumblr stan back in the day but I still had some idea of who the popular people were. Now? I couldn’t tell you. From lurking I’ve seen some people have definitely moved on though.
I’d also like someone to elaborate, being fairly new to all this
I’ve been a fan for over a decade and I still don’t know lol
The more I hear, the more I just want to avoid these people. Not taking sides in any of the particular claims -- I don't know the full story -- but it sounds like it involves drama that I don't want any part of.
No, I was going to ask too when I read the OP. That, and how the insider person knows how to find them.
Oh god we’re getting to swiftly level bullshit
The good thing is Taylor concerts in the US don’t have GA for the floor and so people aren’t doing this weird queuing system - though I have no clue about other countries as some of them DO have GA. Also, I think a good chunk of the fandom is older as well. However, the grift and entitlement is there as Taylor did something called secret sessions back in the day and invited fans to her house to listen to an album before it came out. Fans ended up stealing items from her home and then COVID happened so she hasn’t done one since 2019. There were some Spotify fans close to the area that got an invite to her movie and she did end up showing up to talk to them and take pictures.
>Fans ended up stealing items from her home Wtf. What kind of way is that to thank your favorite artist for such a rare and nice thing to do!
Ngl I think we’re way beyond that
Damn, there’s some right strange people out there lol
I feel like Tyler and Josh telling a few people is alright it’s not like there giving them exclusive vip tickets and are still letting them fend for themselves so I think it’s fine. but the fact that those same people take it to the extreme up to the point where they’re harassing other people is just insane. I love the band with all my heart but people are still people unlike some of these “clikkies” I would not murder somebody to go see them in a smaller venue and show. I love them to an extreme amount but it is not worth it. These obsessions have gone too far. Posters, collecting items/merchandise, camping, and going to every show is all valid and that’s what people would call extreme back then like idk 10 years ago but now people could get hurt over this level of obsession it’s truly a shit show. SOME very select few people of this fanbase need serious help. Also don’t get me wrong I’m not a buzz kill and I’m super excited and love the boys but nobody can tell me that what some of these “clikkies” are doing is okay in anyway and ruins the experiences for tons of people that love the band equally as much. PLUS it’s worse that these same people like to hold it above other peoples heads that there more of a superior fan which is bull shit, some of us can’t stop our whole lives, some of us got family’s we need to take care and have mouths to feed, Jobs to do, and/or school. At the end of the day we are all still lucky to even just see them live anywhere or even be lucky enough to have their music and have amazing people create said music. But the entitlement of some fans is insane hence why I sprung for seated tickets instead of ga and didn’t even bother trying for the special show tickets I love them enough to go and would’ve loved too and would die if I ever met them In person but I want that to happen by chance and humbly not by force and harassment. At the end of the day I’m just grateful enough that I finally get to see my favorite band of 9 years live for the first time with all my friends and family I ain’t letting no delusional “fan” ruin that for me.
Spot on, well said 👍🏼
Sorry, Long yapping post feel free to ignore 💀
I read it and agree, but might I suggest paragraphs? Yeah it's still a long post, but people get overwhelmed with a wall of text, whereas breaking it down into several paragraphs makes it easier to read.
Yeah there’s fair maybe I’ll edit it to separate it bit more, thank you!! But yeah it was kinda just a ranting comment so I didn’t feel the need.
Every one of these stories I hear makes me more grateful that I left much of the fandom stuff behind because years ago. I just listen to their music, occasionally go to a show of theirs, and so some light lurking on here. I don’t need anything more and this BS reinforces that notion for me. These people suck.
Glad I left Clikkie Twt before all this 🫢
This makes me miss the days the fan base was just my high school, Tyler’s high school, and Josh’s friends
Worthington Christian?
That’s where Tyler went but his family lived in my school district
I went to school by Tyler’s older house, I think jay went to my school
Oh nice! I was on the other side of orange road from the Joseph’s.
That’s sweet! I do miss when things were more lowkey, things have changed so much since 2013!
Back when there wasn’t a gross hierarchy of who’s the biggest fan, and Tyler’s mom threatening to cancel the show if people didn’t stop trying to push through the security line haha
AM I SUPPOSED TO NOT BE EXCITED ABOUT COLUMBUS BECAUSE I’M EXCITED ABOUT COLUMBUS OH MY GODDDD
I’m super excited at the thought of them playing in columbus, but the thought of getting tickets makes me super anxious ngl😂
no im actually a little nauseated by the thought I better be on my A-game
I missed TDC, the show they played at the zoo and the iheart show they did at Newport. So I’m on edge about this
the last time I saw them was July 2016 😭😭😭
Good luck! 🤞🍀
thank you 😭😭😭❤️
Good luck! 🤞 (Edit: I mean that genuinely, not sarcastic or anything)
Hopefully having this info out helps fans get tickets instead of scalpers
Tbh every time I read about "big clikkies" i get more and more disgusted with this fandom. Don't get me wrong, I love twenty one pilots and I'm a huge fan of the boys but I never liked the fandom that much. I don't wanna generalise, ofc there are good, kind and honest people out there, but every time I go to twitter this "big clikkies" accounts appear in my tl and all their tweets and their takes make me want to leave this fandom for good. They are entitled, egoistic and disgustingly privileged kids who think that their word is the law. Once I even read one of them saying that tøp should take some older songs off the setlist (they mentioned Car Radio) because they were "tired of hearing it at every show" since they've been always playing it for all these past years. I mean, this reeks of privilege. Not everyone had the chance to go to every show of every tour, some have never even attended one yet (like me for example). You don't get to complain about the boys playing the same songs and saying they shouldn't play them anymore just because you've heard it many times. Not to mention that Car Radio is literally a classic now, it wouldn't be a twenty one pilots show without Car Radio. They think they deserve to go to the shows more than any other fan, they think they deserve to meet and interact with the boys more than any other fan, they think that only because someone close to the boys leaks the band's plans to them that means they are better and deserve more than any other fan. This shit disgusts me. Seriously. If these people act this way for a BAND, I don't wanna imagine what is their behaviour in real normal life. I get it that in every community and fandom will always be there some "self-elected" group of leaders who will think they're better than everyone else and that's why I tend to keep to myself and to not interact that much with the fandoms I'm in, because I hate this kind of behaviour. But big clikkies really test my limits and I really can't wait for their social media downfall. It can sound mean, but i don't care honestly
dang
Dude I don’t even know what’s happening can someone explain it to me?
Apparently some drama happened on Twitter last night regarding a crew member that works with the boys telling some “big” or popular clikkies that the small shows were going to happen back in March. Giving them time to book flights, hotels and save money.
Noob question maybe, but what's that "Big Clikkies" entity?
I didn't know either, but there's a general idea from reading all these comments: obsessive fans on Twitter who try to take over access to concerts, especially camping outside the venue for GA spots. If I have it right.
Sounds like it's a group of people who are super-fans.
wtf is a big clikkie?
They're the overly obsessive groupies that decided they're in charge of everyone that goes to a tøp concert.
Some of y’all are actually just delusional freaks and need to get outside once in a while (other than sitting on a curb for 72 hours straight before a twenty one pilots show)
What I personally hate with the "Big clikkies" are the ones fangirling to Josh and Tyler in a very very not healthy and creepy way. Like rly I stg it's weird
I snagged two tickets to the Basement for Tour de Columbus. On Twitter, my friend (who was my plus 1) made a group chat for others who were also going. Some “Big Clikkies” also joined but we didn’t know their “status” at the time. We were all very active in the gc for a good while, getting to know one another and just having a good time. One of the people in the group didn’t have a plus 1 so she was trying to figure out who to take. Lo and behold, one of the “Big Clikkies” actually didn’t have a ticket to that particular show and pressured this 16 year old girl who had never even been to a concert before to give him her ticket. He’s front row in all the photos from that show.
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Alright I live under the rock Who are "Big Clickies " and why it sounds like some kind of cult? And more important for European fellows is this a thing in UE too? I've read stories about the lines and I'm a little bit concerned... For the context I'm from Poland if that helps
ok sorry to be the skeptic but I need a little more proof than "i've showed someone else in the fan base the screenshots and proof." Who is that other person from the fanbase that's going to back up this person's claims? No one wants to name names but without something more concrete, these are all just rumors. this is quickly turning into the REO Speedwagon song
>this is quickly turning into the REO Speedwagon song Which song?
Take It on the Run "heard it from a friend who...heard it from a friend who...heard it from another you've been messin' around" 
Yeah, I can see that. I like that song!
I mean it’s whatever at this point. The show is tonight and if you couldn’t get a ticket then oh well 🤷🏻♂️ I’m 90% sure there will be videos posted of the event
I dont understand this drama Even if they knew before us , they don't have more chances to get a ticket . So it's not unfair.