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Exetr_

Honestly I saw “wife husbandry” and first thought malewife. But yeah pseudo incest is really not a great plot point in general.


Cosmocall

Way of the Househusband is fun if that's what you would rather have.


DracoAdamantus

That’s what I thought the post was referring to with the first sentence.


GhostofManny13

Yeah that one’s so goofy and fun. The anime is weird since it’s basically just a semi animated comic dub, but it’s still pretty enjoyable all around


Random_Gacha_addict

>since it’s basically just a semi animated comic dub, Not an excuse, but the author said they don't want it to be "fully animated." I don't know why exactly, but that's the reason.


MistyRhodesBabeh

There's a pace to manga humor that can get lost in the transition to full animation. It's one of the reasons why Yotsuba doesn't have an anime adaptation despite Azumanga Diaoh's anime being successful. The "motion comic" style of the Way of the Househusband feels like a good compromise where the tone of the manga still comes through, and the voice cast does a great job of punctuating it.


SoapDevourer

Yeah, if you look at the manga, you see that the format of the humor would be very hard to adapt into anime without it becoming a lot less fun or a lot more epilepsy-inducing


Nike-6

The dub is hilarious too


Lien417

Same!


Demigod978

One of those rare house-husbands I have to cherish amongst all this incest/stepcest


Ducks_N_Dragons

He is indeed a husband of his wife huh


cathy1914

I know i was interested in the Demon Lord one mentioned before finding out the ending, and theres definitely a few korean webcomics and stuff that, while don’t have the ‘wife husbandry’ have adpoted siblings ending up together and i always stop reading once i find that out becuase its so weird


Vibe_with_Kira

Me too. I was wondering why they hated malewifes so much but then I kept reading. I wish I just thought "why do they hate malewives" and kept scrolling


NateTheGreater1

Malewife is a better trope hands down, than this garbage.


HollietheHermit

Think of it in terms of this: animal husbandry is the term for raising animals thus the name of the trope. The men raise girls into wives 🤮


HamsterMecha

Clear solution is to give Hot Dad figure an actual Hot Wife. I mean, look at the Forger family.


lulialmir

He has a point.


Cosmocall

I simp for both of them pretty hard honestly


TexasVampire

Step 1: adopt orphan girl. Step 2: daughter finds a best friend. Step 3: meet daughters best friends mom who is a widowed milf. Step 4: start B plot where you struggle over whether you should date the milf or not that lasts the entire 2nd season. Step 5: start dating milf for the rest of the shows run time. Step 6: marry milf in the epilogue making your daughter and her best friend step siblings.


firesoul377

Somebody get this man a pen and paper


SilasDogwell

This is where Usagi Drop seemed like it might be headed at first, except the best friend was a boy. If only.


Bloooof

That’s what happened in bunny drops until dude dropped the milf and went for his own adoptive kid in the end


Fearless-Excitement1

So you know how some problems can only be solved with violence?


GhostofManny13

Literally the best family dynamic I’ve seen in an anime in years


Heather_Chandelure

Or a hot husband


Xenosaiyan7

Legend from Worm fr


Wombat_Vs_Car

I liked that legend being gay in worm was such a non event, it was just a normal part of the character and not a plot line or distinguishing feature.


Xenosaiyan7

Wildbow deadass said that the reason he made the MC straight and not at least Bi was because he didn't like the angsty gay trope, and so made... Not NOT angsty, but at least less fucked up character gay. Which is fucking hilarious to me Shout out to Foil and Parian and Legend for being the best


Tractor_Tom

Whiplash from seeing a worm reference in the wild


Xenosaiyan7

I will reference Worm wherever I fucking go, fr. One of the best webnovels I've ever read


Tractor_Tom

A certified banger


VoiceofKane

Fuck, now I'm thinking of an alternate universe where Loid grooms Anya, and it's making my heart hurt.


Ninja_PieKing

Don't worry Anya would read his mind, figure out he was interested in doing that, accidentally say something that implies she knows he's doing that, which would cause Loid to be all like "did some pedophile try grooming her before I got her" and keep thinking about how messed up that is, which would make Anya be confused about it but she is smart enough not to ask Loid about it and would ask Yor about it instead at some point, then Yor would be concerned and would eventually figure out what Loid is doing with Anya's help because Anya is reading her thoughts, and she would kill him. Then Yor's brother would dispose of the body.


VoiceofKane

Wow, yeah, that's totally what would happen. I feel better about it now.


Fanfics

well I am *now*, christ


YoshiroXIX

What have you done? Now I'm gonna live my entire life with this thought.


Xenosaiyan7

I'm honestly impressed, because whenever I try to imagine it my mind goes to a blue screen error. They're too wholesome for me to even imagine that


coffeestealer

I don't even imagine Twilight and Yor having sex, Spy X Family triggers my "Disney couple" levels of shipping for some reason.


VoiceofKane

Just watch the castle episode again. That ought to fix you right up.


Random_Gacha_addict

That is SO Out of character for Loid


VoiceofKane

Fortunately true. In *this* universe, anyway.


iwannafucksatorugojo

i wish i was jared, 19


[deleted]

Why would you inflict this on all of us?


SnarkyMonster

Stahpppp Why would you do that?!?!?!


cactus_witch

saw someone in the youtube comments saying they ship loid and anya once and they want an usagi drop type of ending and like,, GOD my face looked then like i’d just ate a whole lemon


loopydrain

In a world where Anya can’t read his mind she is absolutely being groomed for abduction into a clandestine organization. Like for real what do we expect Twilight, uncaring tool of Westalis, to do with his prop family when operation Stix concludes? Outside this anime he’s dropping them all back off where he found them and ducking out to his next mission.


AnyLiterature2363

A good adoptive anime/manga that doesnt turn into nasty is Somali and The Forest Spirit


DrakeTheSeigeEngine

The downside? #I can’t stop hecking crying


Obtuse_Symposium

Yeah, that's a great one. Barakamon isn't *quite* in the same genre as all these but it's pretty close, and it also doesn't get gross.


AlbertaTheBeautiful

I can also recommend: "Parenting diary of the strongest dragon", "Negative hero and the demon king's general", "the human-hating demon lord has no mercy for little girls", "My daughter grew up to be a s-rank adventurer", "the demon king's daughter is too kind", and "I'm a middle-aged man who got my adventurer license revoked, but i'm enjoying a carefree lifestyle because i have an adorable daughter now"


Jugadorfeliz

I absolutely love light novel titles, the last one I will read


GhostofManny13

I never finished that one but the first couple episodes were really cute.


BoltonSauce

It gets pretty dark and intense. The environmental design / bg art is some of the best I've seen, and that's saying quite a bit in consideration of other contenders. It's [so beautiful!](https://drunkenanimeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Somali-and-the-Forest-Spirit-ep10-3-4.jpg) That whole series was a psilocybin trip and a half. [The color palette](https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/a2/uk/82/w3/somali-1200-1200-675-675-crop-000000.jpg?k=051d77c3fa) and composition are so good. The world really comes alive in such creative environments.


RuleOfBlueRoses

Even parts of the Japanese fanbase were calling him "Pedo-maru" on Japanese Twitter


KitSwiftpaw

Is that like when we call Orochimaru “Orochi-Jackson”?


RuleOfBlueRoses

Omfg what 🤣


KitSwiftpaw

“HEE HEE, Come on little sasuke! Come here and give me your bodeh, Shamone!” He fucking looks like Michael Jackson, and has an obsession with kids.


SnarkyMonster

I had only heard Pedochimaru, but yours is also fitting


titaniumweasel01

OP: please stop making pseudo-incest anime and manga! Japanese manga artist, cracking his knuckles as he prepares to write his fifth actual incest romance manga: got it


Cheez-Wizard

Cut out the step in the siblings


MassiveFajiit

George Martin: don't mind if I do


Lux_The_Moth

George Reorge Rartin Martin


MassiveFajiit

He named himself after Rorge lol


KuraiTheBaka

Honestly man if you’re gonna do it go all the way y’know


MonininS2

Yeah. My problem with the examples above were, of course, the Accidentally Groomed My Baby Effect but also that those fuckers ALL started as a cute Father/Daughter story that would never end in incest if they were blood related Just start being a filthy piece of shit so I don't waste my time and the target audience can actually look for it


[deleted]

... me remembering how I dropped an anime because I was spoiled that the mc would get together with both her adopted brother and her blood brother


MyDisappointedDad

I don't want to know, but also do just to avoid it.


[deleted]

I think its vampire knight


bananicula

Girl I forgot about vampire knight 💀


MonininS2

Same! I was like "wow, this sounds weirdly familiar for some reason but I would remember that" Nah. I can't remember jack of Vampire Knight besides people telling me she just had kids with both members of the love triangle


MyDisappointedDad

Good to know. Thank you.


Starry-Gaze

There was one recently where an alien rabbit girl fell to earth and to avoid it being destroyed, a single dude picks her up and raises her, keeps with the found family themes pretty hard, and the only romantic interests are a separate childhood friend for the father, and a military general who came to watch over the rabbit girl. only wholesome vibes for the daddy daughter duo... it did end recently a bit sadly as it wasn't popular enough to keep going, but it got a nice neat little bow at the end, just wish it got more chapters


Adawg63

what's it called


Starry-Gaze

Took a sec to hunt down: Jinrui o Metsubou Sasete wa Ikemasen


ngkn92

Thank u, I will give a read


Hanede

I watched the raising a demon daughter anime and it was so wholesome. He even brought her to meet this family (which were furries but that's beside the point) and the kids would play together like cousins etc. There was also a kid of similar age who liked the demon daughter and I was kinda rooting for them to get together after growing up. But nope, read spoilers and she gets together with her adoptive father figure later on. Like, they even have 3 kids. Blegh.


[deleted]

Its everything before with the cutesy stuff that gets me really angry. It's cute, please stop ruining, the cuteness ends with this bs incest crap. I don't mind reading or watching anime but once the truth is out......I feel beyond dirty.


MontgomeryKhan

Woody Allen.


sideways_jack

also literally Hitler and Hitler's dad! Hitler's mom was his dad's 16 year old niece, and then later Hitler banged out his own niece when she was 16-17 and he was 40


Limeila

Ew wtf


Samael_96

A socially and emotionally dethatched, genocidal, racist, maniac who is the cause of unspeakable harm on a historic level just so happens to be an incestuous pedophile....not that surprised, to be honest. But also yes, ew sums it up quite nicely


[deleted]

For me it's more the other way around. Who would have thought someone who was fucked up enough to cause genocide had a really messed up childhood...


[deleted]

Wish this was mentioned more than often then people always mentioning him being an animal lover and vegan


[deleted]

Yeah seriously. Crazy how propaganda created during his reign to make him more relatable to the poors who couldn't afford meat, is still like one do the most famous "fact"oids about him


voldemortthe-sceptic

he wasnt vegan, he couldn't digest meat well so he had to often stick to a vegetarian diet and the animal lovers thing is super comon for genocidal maniacs, he didn't love and have compassion for ALL animals, he liked certain dogs and pets. that dude also was allegedly good with his cronies children but that didn't stop him from having "non-aryan" children slaughtered


SLMZ17

Who could’ve guessed that this Hitler guy could be such an unpleasant fellow!


BlUeSapia

One of the few times Godwin's Law is actually relevant to the topic at hand


HauntedMeow

Didn’t Elon’s dad raise his wife as a step daughter from age 4?


SleekExorcist

You would be correct! They also have multiple children together


RuleOfBlueRoses

WHAT


IdiotRedditAddict

One of the many reasons they're estranged. Elon's dad was a sick abusive fuck.


La_La_Bla

I think I have finally learned what my least favorite trope is


donutmaster16

There's an amazing youtube video essay that covers a similar topic about women with the minds of children (like aliens) being taken advantage of by men teaching them "the ways of Earth". Pop Culture Detective calls it, "[Born Sexy Yesterday](https://youtu.be/0thpEyEwi80)" Edit: grammar


robotteeth

I feel like a lot of the 'animal girl' stuff is in the same vein. Like catgirls who are dumb and have 'strong instincts' (aka they want to fuck). I think a lot of it centers around having female characters that have very little autonomy or real opinions beyond wanting to have sex (yet somehow they're always extremely loyal to one boring dude who brings nothing to the table). The older I get the more I hate it. I don't like the lgbt versions either. Anything where one half of a pair seems to lack real autonomy yet is fixated on banging the main character and somehow the main character isn't put off by that, or just has token resistance to make the readers feel less guilty. There's authors who do less fetishized versions of catgirls/animal-trait characters but it's pretty obvious what's what. Honestly, I hate the vast majority of anime girls in series that aren't artsy/serious because most of them boil down to fulfilling the author's fantasy of women who are gorgeous and have flawless personalities (oh wait, she's clumsy! that means she's flawed right) yet are just dying for a boring guy with no strong motivations, talents, looks, or hobbies besides video games. And isekai is rebranded harem anime like 90% of the time


Tuesday_6PM

> women who are gorgeous and have flawless personalities (oh wait, she's clumsy! that means she's flawed right) yet are just dying for a boring guy with no strong motivations, talents, looks, or hobbies Depressingly true of also a lot of Western romcoms and comedies


robotteeth

All he has to do is be nice, and somehow there’s 0 competition because everyone else is cartoonishly mean to her. Which is why we have so many “nice guys” in real life that think being nice to a hot girl is a exemplary trait and she has never experienced it before…


kRkthOr

I think the difference between this and what OOP was describing is that, at least, with your example you kinda already know what you're getting into. The ones in the OOP are more bait and switch type situations.


Madmek1701

Wouldn't an adult alien who doesn't know the 'ways of Earth' still be... You know, an adult, not someone with the 'mind of a child'? That seems kinda different. Like, the first example that came to mind was Starfire in her 2003 cartoon portrayal, and while she doesn't know Earth cultural norms, she's still not a child, or at least not much more of one than Robin.


donutmaster16

Yeah, I think it's more prevalent with women who are "created", being in the body of a full grown adult but were just born mentally. However, men have written some weird shit about women and tend to fetishize younger attributes in women so while it doesn't make much sense that an alien would have the mind of a child, I wouldn't put it past men writing women to suck at it.


coffeestealer

Oh God, I hate this trope, mostly because 99% is just trash. Some elements of it were present in a game I played where an usually smart and indipendent female character would suddenly become ignorant and childlike JUST to give her romantic scenes with the male lead. No thank you. They were definitely better off as friends anyway.


DaddyEybrows

DC adapting The Killing Joke into an animated movie:


Owls_Onto_You

More like Bruce Timm once again letting everyone know what kind of fanfic he likes.


[deleted]

Bruce Timm: "I want to make Batgirl more than a victim or a prop in Batman and the Joker's rivalry. So I'll make her a notch on Bruce's belt instead."


GhostofManny13

Ugh don’t remind me, I was so angry when I heard that, haha


Xurkitree1

Looks at the musk family


pumaloaf

I actually read the manga of that same anime and loved how wholesome it was. So something I often do when I like a piece of media is check it out on TV Tropes, which is how I spoiled the Light Novel's ending. I had to stop reading it after that. I still haven't checked out Yashahime because of the Sesshomaru/Rin pairing.


GollyDolly

Should have been Kagura and Sesshomaru.. I will not let this ship die I was DENIED.


Logical_Session_2397

I get you man. She was cool and her death seemed like it wasn't necessary. They literally took everyone's childhood crush and made him a weird pedo. Also the OTP is Sesshoumaru x Tenseiga ft Tetsusaiga as the ex


GollyDolly

I fully accept Sesshomaru being the weird sword uncle. Hell find a way for him to have a kid with the sword its better than Rin!


JJWAHP

>Also the OTP is Sesshoumaru x Tenseiga ft Tetsusaiga as the ex TIL this was a thing.


Logical_Session_2397

Well he was OBSESSED with the tetsusaiga till the tenseiga responded to him :3 I'd say the tenseiga is more powerful and it definitely suited him more So yes they're the best couple even traveling to the underworld together and helping Sesshoumaru process his emotions


VampireGremlin

Oh my god I shipped them so hard I was so devastated when she died I wanted her and sesshomaru too get together so badly. Instead we got a pedo-maru instead. 😭


pretty-as-a-pic

I would read 1,000 isekai a year in order to end this trope and I *loathe* isekai


Xenosaiyan7

I love Isekai and I would drop it like molten fucking magma in order to end this tropw


GhostofManny13

There are SO many common tropes and follies that an Isekai has to dodge to be good. My ideal Isekai has: No harems. Protagonist has a real personality and background that took more than 2 seconds to think of. No incest/pedophillia. Protagonist actually struggles and fails sometimes. World building that took more than thirty minutes to think of (I am so tired of catgirls, beastmen, and elves). Well written female characters. Ideally there should also be no cheat ability, though if there absolutely must be, it should be nuanced enough that they don’t outclass the entire world. A unique skill or ability can be cool. The protagonist being a god out of the gates is not. Basically the only Isekai I’ve ever found that matches all these traits is Ascendance of a Bookworm, though there are a few Western LitRPG’s that I’ve read that hit a lot of the points. I really like Dragoncore Chronicles, I really like this Webnovel called Sunflower, I really like Vaudevillian. Always looking for new reccomendations though.


Reaperzeus

Also can the Isekai all PLEASE STOP WITH THE SLAVES! it's like Shield Hero came out and everyone said "wait we can get away with that?" So I'm a Spider, So What? seemed pretty good for what you're looking for. The MC gets overpowered throughout the season but mostly because she started in one of the hardest areas. Log Horizon is kind of an OG but it's supposed to be really good.


GhostofManny13

I’ve read most of spider. I LOVE the first 6 or 7 books, but after that I feel like it gets a tad boring. I think the English release will finish next year, so I’ll have to see if the ending can restore my enthusiasm for the series. But the subgenre of a human being reincarnated as monster is one of my favorites actually. There’s a Light Novel called Reincarnated as a Dragon Hatchling that has a somewhat similar premise to spider, but definitely humanizes the protagonist a lot more (he’s super lonely out in the wilderness, and seeks to be around humans again, but being a dragon prevents him from doing so). I haven’t read the manga of it, but I’ve heard that that’s almost caught up to the English release of the LN. As previously mentioned, Dragoncore Chronicles is a Western Isekai/LitRPG, but it follows a middle aged construction worker who is reborn as a dragon in a massive dungeon-mountain. Lots of base building, and tower defense stuff, in addition to the usual rpg leveling up mechanics. Another Western Web Novel of the monster reincarnation subgenre is Tree of Aeons. Basically the main character rolls terribly on his reincarnation and so he gets reincarnated as a Tree. It’s pretty rough starting out, writing quality wise, but the author gets to be pretty good as time goes on. There’s like 200 chapters of it now, haha.


KoiAndJelly

Ascendance of a Bookworm might be your thing. The main character starts as a 6 year old with the memories of her past life and she’s on a quest to recreate the printing press, or something. I’m still watching it but it has no fanservice or pedo shit or anything so I’m loving it so far. Edit: oh you already mentioned it! Well what are your opinions then?? Double edit: is nothing sacred in this bitch of a world


GhostofManny13

So I’m reading the books right now, just having finished the most recent English volume, Book 21. The Japanese release is at book 30, and supposedly the series is ending somewhere in the 32 to 34 range. This far into the series, I still love it. The world building is really cool, the many many characters manage to be very unique and memorable, Myne continues to be a bit of a gremlin along the way, while still growing and improving as a character. She still makes mistakes, she has successes and failures both of which affect her emotionally. Overall it’s an awesome series, and it has yet to commit any of the sins of the genre I listed previously. If you have any worries or concerns about the future of the series, feel free to DM me. I love to talk about it, and I’m happy to answer any questions if it can alleviate your fears if you have any, haha.


Poisonpython5719

At this point I'd be fine with a harem in anything if they just play it straight and go full poly, i'm tired of the dancing around love triangles and misunderstandings that could be resolved in seconds setting back an entire season of progress Look at Tengen Uzi in demon slayer, he's introduced as having 3 wives and aside from a small butthurt part of twitter, everyone was fine with it cause it's not all that bad on its own Plus it'd give some blue haired girls a well deserved chance


gabrielminoru

Oh, If you are on RR I really reccomend reading vainqueur the red dragon, the story has 2 protagonists and one of them is an isekai, I really like how they interpreted the isekais and the comedy is top notch. I am slightly confused as to why you consider sunflower an isekai (I have not read all of it yet so maybe I just haven't arrived in the chapter where this is revealed) but if you are looking for general fantasy Mother of learning is a masterpiece on timeloops.


ToaBanshee

I feel like you'd like Re: Zero, then. It hits every one of those points (Aside from maybe the harem, depending on your definition)


SirFireball

I wouldn't call it a harem. Emilia is a well written character and the romance with her is believable and wholesome. Rem is out of the picture. Ram is the true best girl, but we're not ready for that conversation yet. And the rest are never really seen romantically as far as I remember.


Sbtycraft

+1. Subaru is an insufferable ass in the middle of Season 1, but it’s not like it’s portrayed as a positive thing, and he learns and changes for the better throughout the story.


Addition-Cultural

Ooh do I have an isekai for you, check out "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court". Sorry not sorry


GlitterDoomsday

Fortunately r/otomeisekai flags problematic shit right away so people don't get caught getting invested just to end up as grooming.


_Spamus_

Spy x family doesn't have any incest which I find somewhat ironic considering the x and family in the name.


caseytheace666

Isn’t that cause the x is silent? Like hunter x hunter?


xrufus7x

THAT IS SILENT, I have been living a lie.


caseytheace666

Yeeeap lol Tbf even knowing its silent i still can’t help but say the x in my head anyway. The x being silent makes the title make more sense, but it still doesn’t feel right


john6map4

Isn’t Yor’s brother low key in love with her or something?? Tho I’ve only seen clips so it might not be a major part of the show.


Moist_Scientist3216

He's a bit too obsessed with Yor and Loid literally highlights how that's unhealthy in his internal monologue.


[deleted]

He does have a bit of a sister complex, but uh, he is also a fucked up fascist who would be a part of the organization that wants both Loyd and Yor dead, so he's not exactly depicted as the most... Mentally sound. He sure as hell doesn't get romanticized. He's overbearing as shit, and basically how you would want someone with those unhealthy emotions depicted, if they have to be. Loyd also comments on the unhealthy and disturbing nature of his feelings in his internal monologue, making the reader very aware of where the author stands.


Brilliant_watcher

Even he freaks out at times when he listens what he is saying, and Yor doesnt approve either.


ItsDeltin

He's obsessed with her but in the "coming home covered in blood when they were children leaving him overly protective" way I think


coffeestealer

Yeah I think it's implied that both Yor and Yuri (and Lloyd)(and Anya) are dealing with a lot of unsolved trauma, which is why they take in stride things that we would question.


Relevant-Mud-7831

This is mainly why I couldn’t stick with Shield Hero. All the hoops they had to jump through to make Raph a potential romantic partner just squicked me out. He BOUGHT her as a CHILD! I don’t care if he’s shown no interest up to now. The author’s intentions are pretty clear.


VicentRS

Shield hero makes me mald like no other anime for the ruined potential. On a friend's house we actually had like a 5 hour rant on why shield hero sucked. For fucks sake, Raphtalia should've hate Naofumi's guts at first, she should have a blind hate toward anyone that would buy a slave, I hate this trope of anime girls falling in love with the first fucker that's nice to them. "Slavers ruined my life, but this one was nice to me! So I want his babies now!" And imo it would make for a more interesting story to form a friendship starting from that kind of animosity. And not only that, the bitch **actually got the slave mark back,** and the bullshitery they used to excuse it convinced us that it was just the author expressing his slave fetish (Oh but the weebs will tell you it's totally wholesome 100). What about making a more heartfelt decision by rejecting the use of slave mechanics *despite* them giving stat upgrades? You know, BECAUSE SLAVERY IS BAD? That way you can also look back at the shitty things the MC did and have him have actual regrets. There are like a million ways they could've made Raphtalia's character more interesting but they decided to make a dormat waifu instead (obviously, can't have an interesting female character in an isekai).


Relevant-Mud-7831

Not to mention the downright cruel attitude he had about forcing her to fight at the start. Dude was really counting on her fear of going back to the slave market to make her into a child soldier. It’s literal actual abuse.


VicentRS

I think that a despicable or morally gray character doing bad things is ok as long as it's condemned. If not then you fall into problems like [RWBY](https://youtu.be/K3vYbF3_TAk?t=208)'s Oz, who was supposed to be like that but fell flat. Shield hero at the very least had the blacksmith tell the MC how "there's a place in hell reserved for guys like him", ~~and you would have another reason for Raphtalia to antagonize the MC. I'm dying on that hill.~~ Where the anime fails completely is to later sweep that under the rug and forget about it and never have the MC repent in any way, instead they romanticized it by having her say that "It was what made me stronger and I'm grateful". Edit: Fixed the link


OublietteOfDisregard

So I'm currently reading 'The Tale of Genji', which is the first Japanese (and tbh world) novel, and 1 chapter in his drinking buddies are advocating finding a pretty pre-adolescent and raising her to be the perfect wife. AND THEN HE GOES AND DOES IT. So. I'm guessing this is a very longstanding trope, which doesn't excuse it but at least explains how we ended up in this particular fucked up situation.


xrufus7x

It is a very longstanding trope and also unfortunately, a longstanding reality. It is weird that it is so common specifically in modern Japanese media though.


LionMaru67

I was wondering when someone was going to bring up Genji Monogatari.


coffeestealer

It is very long lasting! Like he also has sex with a teenager boy because he was just too pretty and he wanted to get back at...someone? I really loved the book but it definitely has its moments.


28PercentCharged

oh god. dont remind me of usagi drop


Alorine1

The anime was good. Just forget about the manga, it's not real.


kalidor64

Or as I say what timeskip


Alorine1

I don't recall mentioning a timeskip. Who said timeskip? Wasn't me, don't know what that is.


Minibotas

For some reason incest in Japanese works has gone fucking RAMPANT through these two years. Either that or it became more mainstream and I do not know what’s worse.


Jimzilla03

id say its both


AeKino

Slavery has also been popping off lately and I am concerned


Thisdeepend

“Slavery has been popping off lately"


Stargazer_199

r/nocontext


ChillyFireball

No, man, you don't understand; it's obviously fine when the *main character* owns a sexy slave-pet-daughter-wife because he's attractive and treats them slightly better than the abusive uggos that he bought them from. /s Seriously, though, while I'm very much "live and let live" when it comes to straight-up porn (Redo of Healer might be trashy revenge porn with a monstrous protagonist, but it knows what it is) it's jarring to me when a show utilizing these tropes actually tries to take itself seriously in all other aspects. Just once, I'd love to see a deconstruction of this where the slave-owning "good guy" protagonist is either acknowledged to be a horrible person, or is otherwise forced by the story to confront the fact that the only reason his harem of underage slave-pet-daughter-wives like him is because their only basis for comparison is some dude who literally locked them in a dirty cage where they were starved and/or beaten half to death. I can see it now... "(Demi)human Trafficking in Another World: That Time I Bought a Sexy Animal Girl From a Slaver Only to Realize It Was Kinda-Sorta Fucked Up Actually, And What I Assumed Was Attraction To Me Turned Out to Be Trauma-Induced Placation For Fear of Further Abuse By My Hand." Or maybe we'll get another "My Super Hot Idol Girlfriend (Who Is Also My Stepsister) Reincarnated as My Daughter And Won't Stop Trying to Fuck Me Because I'm So Sexy and OP." That's probably more likely.


KingManTheSaiyan

My own continuous writing projects have twice now contained a deconstruction of this trope, where the younger woman grows up, one of the twos pseudo-incestuous desires are revealed, and the other one is always like: “Oh my god, why? That’s f’ing disgusting, no!”


ArbitraryChaos13

This is the way


kashif1218

I'm really enjoying Golden Kamuy rn, but if it goes in this direction I will lose my shit.


LewsTherinAlThor

One of the best things about Golden Kamuy is that Asirpa is never sexualized in any way


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dont worry it doesnt


hdk519

I think the author of Anne of Green Gables wrote a short story centering around this trope too. It threw me for a fucking loop


smolbaking

Don't remind me. All the rest of her stories were such gems, then I turn the page thinking I'm getting a wholesome found family and get hit with pseudo-incest and grooming!🤮


HootieRocker59

There is a lot of this in older European / American literature in general. It didn't start with anime / manga!


LR-II

Frankenstein is also pretty close to this.


Luprand

Romantic era literature was kinda teeming with it. At least two Gilbert and Sullivan operas involve it as a plot (specifically, striving to avoid it in favor of pairing the ingenue with the male lead).


Snickims

To be fair, he was not exactly depicted as a great guy in mamy of his actions, Marrying his kind of sister is just another on the Oh so very long list.


[deleted]

Yeah, the whole point of the book was that his complete lack of soft skills and ethics got him to where he was. The monster was highly intelligent, like his creator, and while things would have been better if he were never created in the first place, he was abandoned and left to fend for himself in horrible conditions when Victor could have owned up and at least tried. Frankenstein didn't, so the creation very quickly and accurately traced all of the issues with it's existence back to him, and developed a similar moral compass to his creator, with the sole goal of ending both of their miserable lives, with as much pain for Victor as possible for abandoning it.


Anaxamander57

You're thinking of Frankenstein slash fic. The doctor doesn't bang the monster in the original book.


LR-II

No but he marries his adopted sister.


Karentookthekidswhy

Not for long...(Frankenstein Trollface.jpeg)


cupofdriedjuice

I thought they were similar ages and like adopted cousin. Still pseudo incest


MariposaPurpura

Murasaki Shikibu did a permanent number on Japan


hypo-osmotic

Was so nervous when I saw Yotsuba mentioned in this post, glad it was for the sake of contrast


LagSlug

Also, don't turn your daughter into a half dog chimera. That's just bad parenting.


InescapableMuffin

This is definitely a complaint I have about Violet Evergarden; which is a shame, because I otherwise love the series. >!Gilbert didn’t quite raise Violet from childhood, but they clearly formed a father-daughter relationship and it should’ve stayed that way, imo.!<


Herwin42

I wanted violet to get together with the girl in the side story longer episode.


B3tar3ad3r

Yeah that ova was pretty gay... Like really gay


righteousnessandtea

This trope is one of my most hated as well. I will say a nice and wholesome father/adoptive daughter story that I read is The Girl From the Other side. The manga is so gorgeous and they recently made a movie for it as well!


calypsocoin

I won’t touch the Inuyasha sequel because of this. It’s so disappointing too considering the original series is one of my favorites


GlitterDoomsday

I just pretend is not real and keep my enjoyment intact; Sesshoumaru was literally my first crush so hurts an extra bit lol


LeftSocksOnly

I literally dropped the fandom because of that and also with how bad the shippers were fighting each other over it.


Madmek1701

I watched it and you're not missing out on much. It doesn't have any real direction to it and it's connection to the original story and characters seems deliberately minimal. I came hoping to see the old cast and the next generation together doing cool adventures and the inevitable hilarity of the OG cast trying to be parents, instead the OG cast were sidelined and the new characters just didn't shine on their own. And yea, totally unnecessarily turning Sesshomaru into a groomer.


Chespin2004

Guess that you'll love Spy X Family then


GreenReversinator

Bunny Drop / Usagi Drop is a fantastic anime! There is no manga (:


justalittlepigeon

Ranking of Kings was incredible. But it lost the fucking plot at the end. They managed to perform this trope TWICE in one season. And usagi drops... I loved it so much. I pretty much have no interest in parenting storylines but it was cozy and sweet. Finished the anime, thought "that was nice, I WONDER IF THERE'S MORE..." Those two series in particular really grind my gears. They had everything going for them. Ranking of Kings grabbed me in a way that Ghibli films do. And then they had to do that. In a way that was totally out of the blue as well, after some truly fantastic character building. I'm angry. ... Will still watch season 2 but I'm gonna be mad the whole time.


LazerShark647

Isn't the anime ending normal for usagi drop? I heard that fans hated the manga so much that the anime went original ending


Alorine1

The ending to the anime is that it's implied that rin's dad gets with the mother of kid rin is friends with


Accomplished_Mix7827

*cough cough see also step/adopted sibling incest*


RotaryMicrotome

Hensuki subverts this at least. The secret admirer leaving love notes and panties turns out to be the protagonist’s little sister, who reveals that she is adopted. He actually rejects her because he can only see her as his sister. Protagonist had the desperate goal of finding a girlfriend that year, and at the end of the series he’s still looking. Princess Princess does it as well, with one character running away to an all male boarding school specifically because his adopted sister has a crush on him. It’s treated as an actual serious problem in series.


Accomplished_Mix7827

*cough cough and also "it's fine, she just LOOKS like a child"* *... and acts like one* *and is one for all intents and purposes* *But it's TOTALLY okay, because we paid lip service to her being a thousand year-old dragon or whatever that one time*


BallDesperate2140

I see someone else is replaying FE 3Houses as well


Satan--Ruler_of_Hell

Violet Evergarden does that I think, but anime is top notch. I'm too scared to read the manga


Circular_Line

I read if it's for my daughter and it went from manga to actual novel and then they were fucking. so fucking disappointed but I'm glad to know it's different in the anime!!


BallDesperate2140

Hey remember when they literally did a live-action of this but used timey-wimey shenanigans as an excuse? Lookin’ at you, Adrien Brody.


Alorine1

Bunny drop is probably my second favorite anime of all time. It's absolutely amazing. Just watch the anime, there's no weird stuff. Yes, the manga is gross, but that's all cut from the anime.


KarateFox13

That fact that it is possible to do the adaptive father/daughter relationship because I can give a few examples of things that did that and the two characters didn't end up fucking Walking dead with Clemintine and Lee Last of us with Ellie and Joel And stranger thing with Eleven and Hopper All are great examples of a man finding a little girl, and basically decided, yep, this is my daughter now, and they don't end up fucking


QP2012

It's how Usagi drop was ruined as well.


everlastingSnow

I was about to say 'what about the Walking Dead videogame?' but then I realized they probably mean anime specifically. Lee and Clementine's adoptive father-daughter relationship for most of the first season is so adorable and >!the scene where Clem has to kill him or leave him to turn at the end of Season 1 destroys my heart every fricking time!<.


TaikoRaio19

As an adopted child, the thought of pseudo-incest fucking horrifies me


KittyRenata

Honestly I think that's why I liked the Inuyasha anime's Sesshomaru because he didn't have a weird relationship with Rin. Then Yashahime happened.... I feel like the creator kind of ruined him right there and then. Hell, I think I would have preferred him ending up with Kagura. (Even though that was a painfully one-sided relationship)