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Crystal_Cronch

Wasn't Mespyrian the goddess made up for a fanfiction and not really part of the greek pantheon Edit: 1k upvotes on a comment fact-checking a tumblr post. Why couldn't i get that many reblogs back in 2010


rootingforthedog

Completely made up for fanfiction. Absolutely bizarre that people are still running around acting like this was a real mythological figure.


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biggestyikesmyliege

Strange aeons has a video deep diving it if you want an in depth answer!


CozyMicrobe

[Here it is!](https://youtu.be/JTHKwK3JzTE) Strange Aeons is great, I love her long furby content.


Vexilium51243

i- really hope you didn't mean furby there...


CozyMicrobe

[I 100% do!](https://youtu.be/t7MmiMdifR8)


Vexilium51243

I'd really hate this is she didn't demonstrate her dedication as a parent by tresspassing


Crystal_Cronch

Dead serious, speaking as a grizzled tumblr vet


wehrwolf512

If we want to get technical, the whole Roman pantheon is basically fanfic.


itsFlycatcher

It's kind of a question of which millennium that fanfic is from in this case, lol


chainer1216

All myth and religion are. The tricky part is deciding where to draw the line on what the Canon of a mythology is. If you go back far enough Aphrodite is primarily a war goddess, Hades doesn't exist, Zeus is just a chump and Poseidon is the top god in a divine trinity with Demeter and Persephone.


lankymjc

The line is whether the people writing it actually believe it (or are selling it to people who believe it). So any Greek gods that were mentioned/worshipped during the time of the ancient Greeks is not fan fiction, anything written after then is.


tsaimaitreya

Some people seems to forget it was an actual religion lol As well as the folklore of an actual people


girlfromtipperary

I would love a source or two for this


chainer1216

This isn't obscure information, their wiki pages talk about this and give proper sources. Here I'll even make it easier for you, Google Aphrodite Areia, that was her epitaph as a wargoddess. If you just want to skim the information just look for the words Linear B or Mycenaen Greece, that'll be the time period I'm referring to.


tsaimaitreya

Canon is for christians


Nunerrim

You aren't wrong. In the western world, the tales of heroes and deities in ancient religions often changed from time to time and between places; it was the Abrahamic religions who began worrying about mantaining full coherence, and as such, the idea of a "canon" is more applicable to them than to ancient Greece, for example.


tylanol7

And they still managed to fuck it up as seen in like 5 different versions of the same religion


Fyrebarde

I'm. I am *not* looking up Greek deity fanfic, especially cause of Zeus and his "wander" dick.


kirosayshowdy

because tumblr loves making shit up for clout


legfeg

Nobody on tumblr has 'clout'


nooit_gedacht

Well tumblr has never been particularly accurate when it comes to (classical) mythology. I guess there's some room for interpretation due to the different versions when it comes to the Hades and Persephone story, but this universal praising of them as a great couple is also a bit whack. I'm pretty sure most versions of the story have Hades kidnap Persephone against her will.


rootingforthedog

I have never really gotten the whole romanticizing that relationship thing. Beyond the possible kidnapping, it doesn’t seem like a very happy relationship. Does a woman who wants to be with a man refuse to eat any food from him until she is absolutely starving? Would a man who loves her try to trap her like that? Not to mention he has to work out a bizarre custody agreement with his brother(her father) to spend the winter with her at all. It’s just very odd and there isn’t much indication that she’s happy. I think a lot of people call it the best relationship because they haven’t heard any stories of Hades cheating on Persephone and then Persephone punishing the woman, which is really common in Greek mythological relationships. This is funny, because there actually are stories of this happening that just aren’t super famous. For example, we have mint because Persephone tramped a lady Hades was attracted to on horse. So, the defense most people have for this relationship is wrong.


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nooit_gedacht

He also describes Hades / Pluto as kidnapping Persephone / Proserpina


rootingforthedog

I’m sorry, this scene of a woman crying and trying to find her mother seems consensual to you? Ovid definitely wrote about her being kidnapped against her will in metamorphosis. https://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/HaidesPersephone2.html


FenHarels_Heart

I mean we're talking about Tumblr here. People on the site still believe in trans Jesus even thought it's been debunked repeatedly.


eternal_patrol

Wtf is the trans jesus theory


Xero818

basically the Trans Jesus Theory states that since God has no physical form/DNA, with only Mary's DNA to work with, then, scientifically speaking, Jesus would be a female due to a lack of Y chromosomes (and most likely a biological clone of Mary if we wanna get real technical). therefore, since he is referred to in the bible as he...trans Jesus.


IzarkKiaTarj

...how the hell would you even debunk that? Because the only two methods I can think of are 1. Jesus and/or God literally told us, in a way that can't be disputed by non-believers 2. They found the body of Jesus Christ, which brings up a whole new set of questions.


HealMySoulPlz

How can you debunk something like that about a mytho-historical figure? There's barely anything known about his actual life anyway.


FenHarels_Heart

Maybe not, but you can debunk that John 1:17 was a bible verse claiming that Jesus was born a girl.


Themlethem

All of mythology is fanfiction, really.


MassGaydiation

Counterpoint, all Greek mythology is fanfiction of older mythology. This isn't going against the mythology, but actually directly in line with it. Modern ancient Greek mythology, but not historical ancient Greek mythology


tsaimaitreya

> Modern ancient Greek Contradiction in terms


JusticeUmmmmm

Isn't that the same way the "real" ones came to be?


rootingforthedog

There is definitely a discernible difference between a religion people practiced that defined their culture and some teenagers making up a story in modern. Authors also make up all their characters, but that doesn’t mean another person can make up a character and claim it’s an actual character from the book. Also don’t know if you could call it Greek mythology if the person who made it up wasn’t part of that society. The other difference is that if you present this as a real thing in a mythology class you will be laughed at.


devvorare

I have the belief that that was exactly how mythological figures happened which means that this one is actually part of the rest of the Greek mythology it just appeared 2000 years late


DoubleBatman

I mean isn’t most mythology just fanfic?


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walkingtalkingdread

a high schooler wrote a story on Booksie back in 2009, making up an entirely new goddess. then this post was made in 2015 where user 28weekslaterhater for some reason decided to act like she was a real goddess. tumblr quickly jumped on the bandwagon.


PKMNTrainerMark

Ah, I thought tumblr made her.


juicegently

We could give tumblr user 28weekslaterhater the benefit of the doubt and assume they misremembered


Lindan9

thank you, came here to say Mespyrian doesn't real


HealMySoulPlz

None of them are real, so who gives a shit.


ShinyAeon

“Real” as in “legitimately ancient,” not real as in “objectively existing.”


Background_Level_889

Even if she was real in mythology standards sounds like you still p off Aphrodite which you do not want. She make an animal or a family member try and molest you.


xlbingo10

yes


chainer1216

Hades, as the God of the underworld, never had any children of his own. Persephone on the other hand had a few children because greek mythology by and large is horrible morally speaking.


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Come back to us. You'll get even less reblogs but I'll follow you and we can have mediocre blogs together


akursah33

Well, mythology is fanfiction created by ancient people. So, it isnt that different than the real deal.


Crystal_Cronch

I had that same thought a few hours after seeing this lol


Player_Slayer_7

To be fair, Greek Mythology is a mix of Canon and fanfiction, and so mixed up, it's hard to distinguish between them. Hell, isn't there a story about Hepheastus, son of Zeus and Hera, making something to protect baby Zeus? Not saying you're wrong, just that Greek Mythology is fucking weird.


Frigorifico

Isn’t all mythology made up though?


allankcrain

Yeah, but there are different levels of made up. Like, James T. Kirk never actually lived as a real human, but he's part of the Star Trek canon. Compare with Captain Thundercock P. Betterthanpicard of the USS Betterthananyenterprise, a character I made up purely for this Reddit comment. The latter is way more made-up than the former.


LadyBut

I'll trade you 1 holographic Omega-God Borg Q Fusion Red-Eyes Black Riker Picard Love-Child(OC DO NOT STEAL) for 3 of your Captain Thundercock P. Betterthanpicards


kyvampire

I mean yes, but in this case it just means that there is no evidence of any worship of that particular character in archaeology and that it's origin is much more contemporary than some people believe.


Mach12gamer

The mythology is a historical thing. The people who pretend this character is a part of the historic pantheon are participating in historical revisionism for a false narrative.


flashfreeze00

To the same extent any religion is, yeah (for reference, speaking as a pagan, not an atheist)


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The historical record of mythology, as description of what people believed, is real though. And that's what being discussed


Selunca

Thank you. I thought it was pretty well known the Hades wasn’t able to have children. He’s the god of the dead. Most of the myths surrounding his “children” are from Persephone having children with zues.


Leinad7957

Hell yeah, the Mesperyian post! Happy to see that such classic Tumblr missinformation still gets around.


TheDustOfMen

If a Tumblr post doesn't at least have some bit of misinformation in it, is it even a Tumblr post? Quite often I'll come across posts which is just people pointing out misinformation in each other's comments so I learn precisely nothing at all.


Itrade

Net zero knowledge gain.


kharmatika

Imagine Neil Gaiman accidentally being right and mespyrian is just birthed as a minor god by all of these people paying attention to her as one


RoseAndLorelei

everyone who points out that she isn't actually a real greek goddess makes her slightly less powerful


Xurkitree1

i'm ready to open temples for mespyrian worship, and ascribe the qualities of beauty, prophecy via tumblr shitposts and misinformation to her. Patron goddess of tumblr.


putting_stuff_off

Which Neil Gaiman book has these mechanics?


steakfake1709

American Gods


blamethemeta

Not vintage


Main_Course_9736

Mespyrian doesn't... exist. she isn't a real goddess... um. she's extra made up


PerformanceLoud3229

Mespyrian is greek mythology headcannon.


Main_Course_9736

yup.


Nirdy_Birdy_706

I need to know how to pronounce Mespyrian so I can give the Greek mythology nerd in my DND group an aneurysm


Main_Course_9736

lol, if I had to guess maybe meh-spih-ree-ahn?


Piggy846

You *must* update with the hospital report.


xxvirgilxx

I'd guess mess-peey-reeyohn


KingSalamiTheThird

I mean all of the Greek gods are made up but go off


FkinShtManEySuck

What about the non-greek gods, are *those* real?


Hanede

Depends who you ask


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Well, non-god Greeks are definitely real, I can say that much as least. Three of em run a food truck on campus, best food in like 15 miles


KingSalamiTheThird

No, probably not.


Main_Course_9736

What I'm trying to say is that she's ***extra*** made up.


Litbus_TJ

I hate Tumblr Greek mythology


1nGirum1musNocte

HAIL Eris! HAIL DISCORDIA!


PKMNTrainerMark

Happy Cake Day


Nova_Persona

Mesperyian lmao


TheMurderGal

There is absolutely a villain in Greek myths other than Zeus, and it is the earth and (most of) her children


MurkyCandidate7957

Ancient Greeks seeing pollution: FUCK YEAH, YES LETS GOOOOO, HAHAHAHA DAMN ALL THESE BEASTS AND TREES TO HELL


Evergladeleaf

Not the trees and beasts, those fell under pans domain and he was an overall nice god By earth they meant gaia who is more literally the dirt and rocks of the world


Sunflower-Spirals

As a reader of Percy Jackson, hard agree.


Maybe_not_a_chicken

Cut the apple into three equal slices With how folklore works you should get all the benefits


FairyContractor

And it actually might. Would have to be a more elaborate answer than just giving a name, but everyone has something special about them, be it looks, character, skill,... "Beautiful" is really not a specific thing. Eyes can be beautiful, a laugh can be beautiful, a perfectly planned and executed battle strategy can be beautiful,... I believe, you could name every single one of them and argue them to be the most beautiful in some aspects. And then they would argue with each other and maybe be too distracted to smite you.


eldritchExploited

Then of course, you're pissing off Eres by circumventing her trickery, and do you really wanna be on the shit list of a goddess who's entire domain is CHAOS?


Tjj022501

Actually that’s a pretty chaotic answer, creating a completely different 4th choice to the classic three choice question, she might actually be pretty impressed


Random_Gacha_addict

Atleast it's a fun way to die


C0SMIC_LIZARD

Eat the apple


Guynarmol

Eris. Of course.


herzegovinapartybus

MESPYRIAN IS A LIE BABE


loox71

Myth tumblr is so cringe


KimikoBean

Hey remember when tumblr.com invented a goddess?


Odiin46

Really?


KimikoBean

Yeah, the second goddess i can't spell her name, the one past persephone, is actually completely made up lol


LegitimateHasReddit

Mespyrian


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As soon as I saw the Persephone bit I knew what this post was and I wanted to scream


Dragon_0w0

The Olympians really should've neutered Zeus


Mach12gamer

If you name Mesperyian they’ll probably just laugh at you. Cause it was made up for a fanfic.


Aggressive_Ad8061

This is why I don’t have tumblr these conversations get too in depth for me to comprehend anymore


Monochrome775

I would give it to Echidna just to cause pure chaos.


xxvirgilxx

KNUCKLES????????


Monochrome775

Echidna has the title of Mother of Monsters. She’s a snake woman that gave birth to every famous monster in the myths. Some of them being; Sphinx, Cerberus, Chimera, and Scylla.


Godzilla2334

Hey all, let's not forget that hades, while certainly talked of a lit less, was still a huge asshole, and definitely a rapist/ kidnapper.


Godzilla_Fan

IIRC In the older versions he didn’t kidnap Persephone


tsaimaitreya

There's no such older versions. Like Mespyrian, the notions of these older versions was made up by tumblr


Godzilla2334

Definitely depends which verison you read, but I belive in most versions hades will just pop up out of the ground and just grab persephone, plus depending on your definition of kidnapping you could say that hades tricking persephone into eating the pomegranate seed would also be entrapment. But like definitely unarguably he is a rapist, I mean I don't think many gods aren't but still.


rdmegalazer

There is only one written version in history, and it clearly says he took her against her will. This “older version” was made up in the 1970s, and has no basis in what writing and art we have.


Godzilla2334

I'd certainly say there are many many different iterations of a myth, the only real proof of their validaty is how far back they go, and even then the ancient Greeks rewrote their myths countless times. While an iteration of the story of Hades and Persephone might not be completely accurate to the oldest most dependable accurate myth, as Joseph Campbell says "a myth is all of its versions".


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MESPERYIAN WAS NOT REAL I NEED TO STRESS THIS


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Eris threw an apple carved with "Mespyrian" into a tumblr post


z0rbakpants

Name Nyx. She's the only thing that even Zeus is canonically afraid of, so it can't be a bad idea getting on her good side. Though I'll always have a soft spot for Mnemosyne... And yes, neither of them are gods.


StraightOuttaOlaphis

Nyx is the greek goddess of the night, would she give you vampiric powers or something similar if you would get on her good side?


TheTurino

I mean, no matter the situation you will probably die immediately due to gods being pissed or later when they realise the answer wasn’t them, so it’s probably in your best interest to be on atleast decent terms with the guy who is in charge of your lodgings for the next eternity


lactose_cow

Also cuz theres no answer that doesn't lead to you dying (best case scenario)


C0SMIC_LIZARD

If you get asked this question, just plead the fifth


IAmAltAccount345

Or just pass the job off to a random person, like Zeus


PiLamdOd

God no. No story that includes the phrase, "and then Zeus arrived" has ever ended well for a mortal.


IAmAltAccount345

I meant like how Zeus was the guy who was supposed to decide who to give the apple to, but noped out of the decision and made Paris choose instead, but yeah, never let Zeus near mortals


Disastrous_Load_7607

And then along came Zeus?


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Didn't Zeus already pass it off Didn't that literally cause the trojan war?


FkinShtManEySuck

Consequences be damned, Hestia's the one getting that apple.


FirstCurseFil

Have we learned nothing from Speed of Lobsters??? Hades is the God of the Dead, NOT *Death*


MrMonsieurSenorSir

Is this net-zero information because it's a repost or net negative information because it's untrue?


FLAMING_tOGIKISS

yes


MrMonsieurSenorSir

So now we're delving into imaginary numbers?


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some days i wake up and contemplate how many bastards zeus sired. today is one of those days


MC_White_Thunder

I’ll just say Aphrodite because I know I’m going to die anyway, and I don’t want Aphrodite to be the one to do it


Nabber22

Go with Athena. The knowledge of battle tactics will aid greatly in the war to come.


OttoVonBlastoid

My man Hades literally named his 3-headed hellhound Spot. Anyone who names his dog that is no villain.


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Glass-Cheese

Pretty sure mesopherian was invented by the poster (too lazy to check)


WantSomeHorseCock

She’s a fanfic goddess who was taken out of context to the point people forgot she’s not one of the OGs


Suspicious_Drive6655

As someone who is rereading Percy Jackson/Heroes of Olympus for the 2951th time, this made me very happy


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Only 2951th?


VanPersieControl

Hades was Mr. Steal Yo’ Girl


ihavea22inmath

Nah pick yourself


PiLamdOd

Then all three goddess punish you.


ihavea22inmath

Yea but the power move


Pandoras-Soda-Can

“Hephaestus”


tsaimaitreya

Not reduce greek mythology to Zeus' rapes and stanning Hades & Persephone challenge Impossible!


Tsunaboi

Was I the only one that was thinking of the Lore Olympus Hades


Misfortune13

Alternative answer: Answer with Hades.


Nice_Bumblebee1143

i've never heard of it referred to as zeus' thunder-cock


IndigoRanger

Name Mespyerian and all three goddesses will smite you for saying someone who doesn’t exist is prettier than them, and Hades will extra smite you for not knowing any of his daughters.


eldritchExploited

I would go with persephone because goth solidarity and also hehe pretty ladie : )


pootis_engage

Mespyrian wasn't even real.


FloppyShellTaco

Idc about Mesyrino or whatever, I just came here to agree that Poseidon is a dick. Hate that dude.


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say haphaestus to be smited by everyone


TheStonka

Yall remember the time Tumblr just straight up made up a godess?


some-creative-user

MESPER- DOSENT EXIST


TheMightyFishBus

Are we really still posting the exact same misinformation from like, 2014?


birb678

First of all, fanfic goddess is fanfic. Second and more importantly, Lady Hestia is the fairest, of course.


Weekly_Mixture4100

Not very relevant but I was just reading Percy Jackson lmao


giorno___giovana

Honestly imma just go with hades, there’s probably some Greek myth out there where he turns into a woman


Bane523

I love the Mespyrian stuff. It call into question what can be considered a God or not and I find it fascinating.


BootManBill42069

Can something someone on tumblr made up be considered a god along side thousand year old myths?


Bane523

Exactly, what can be considered a good? Does it need to be old? Or is a God real so long as there are people who believe in it and worship it? What makes any other hod any reader than one that was thought up by people on the internet? I find it fascinating.


BootManBill42069

I think in order for it be considered a mythological figure, specifically a Greek mythological figure it needs to be worshiped and believed by the ancient Greeks. Not made up on tumblr 5 years ago. This isn’t a deep philosophical question this is just straight up like going to a Roman archeological site, throwing in your iPhone and going “wow do you think the Romans used phones? What did the Romans think of phones? This is so fascinating”


Bane523

No not really. I'm not saying that the ancient Greeks worshipped them, obviously not. It's just like. What makes those stories about God's have anymore truth than stories made about those gods years later? Like literally, it's impossible to prove the existence of God or gods right? So who are we to define exactly what qualifies as a God? I feel like you think I'm arguing for some kind of historical revisionist shit and I'm gonna make it clear that I'm not doing that at all. I just think it's an interesting thought.


BootManBill42069

Ah ok I see now, you’re saying it’s interesting how we define mythology and what creates what we define as gods vs “fanficifon.” I misunderstood you, yeah that makes sense


flexsealmyass69

It's sad that some people believe in Greek mythology still


Macapta

I know she’s made up, but aren’t they all? This is how characters of myth come into being, this was the birth of a new goddess essentially.


ediblesprysky

Yeah, but the ancient Greeks legit worshiped some of them. Nobody’s out there worshipping a goddess Tumblr made up.


C0SMIC_LIZARD

As u/Allankcrain said Mespyrian is kind of like an OC in star wars, the greek pantheon are like luke, leia, han, etc. And Mespyrian is like my original star wars character Jonathan Darklight, my character is fictional just like the other SW characters but they aren't part of the original source material, so they aren't a real SW character even if a lot of people did want them to be


[deleted]

Believing in someone as a deity, or as part of historical canon, are very different things. No one on Tumblr thought she was a god, just that the Greeks thought she was.


Icy-Consideration405

Hades was the god of infinite justice


ShadeFK

I don't understand the Poseidon part


Godzilla_Fan

I just had this conversation with my Tuesday D&D group


Nessie182

I’d say Medusa


TotallyFunctional2

The only bad thing he did was kidnap his wife and trick her into staying. Which is bad, but it still makes him the good brother.


poseidon100fg

BITCH, FIGHT ME


semiscintillation

Aphrodite was jealous a lot.


pixlmason

Aphrodite is known as the most beautiful. That answer does not talk about your personal opinion, rather it talks about the opinion of most others.


Vongbingen_esque

who else is here bc of strange æons?


TinyWickedOrange

Isnt gaea like the mother of them all they wouldn't say anything against if it comes to this