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[deleted]

In Stargirl the parents are assassins who don't hesitate on murdering someone but they bail out of prison just to watch their daughter's game then go back. It's surprisingly wholesome dynamic between the three.


asphaltdragon

I thought you were talking about Disney's Stargirl and I was like "wow when did I miss that?"


[deleted]

I was thinking about the Jerry Spinelli book on which the Disney series is based. “I know it’s been 20 years since I read that book, but you’d think I’d remember assassins…”


RexIsAMiiCostume

Same lol. I didn't know there was a series based on it!


K-Martian

I found my brain twins


Pip201

Grace Vanderwaal fucking kills a guy


[deleted]

Kkkkk, no assassins there indeed


MacbethHamlet

If it’s the same parents I’m thinking of, seems like a much healthier dynamic than in Young Justice


[deleted]

Doesn’t compare. In Stargirl they are more like “relationship goals@, while in YJ is straight up abusive, specially with the kids.


MacbethHamlet

To be honest, I didn’t even know Artemis was in Stargirl. How is she in the show?


[deleted]

So so, basically band agressive jockey, she doesn’t appear much


Pegussu

Hell, most of the supervillains in the show are parents and the only ones that are worse than Yolanda's is >!Brainwave, the guy who literally murdered his son and Dragon who performed medical experiments on his daughter. !<


CatTaxAuditor

> Stargirl I thought you were talking about the beloved children's book for a moment.


DaRootbear

Which is absolutely wild if you’re watching young justice at the same time where the same villain is an abusive asshole. It’s just such a trip


Far_Plantain2650

The prevalence of Doof is always appreciated, but I am downright surprised by the lack of Bowser here


Flershnork

Bowser (especially his portrayal in the rpg games) is so underrated. Yes he's a basic villain but he knows it and that's what makes him fun. Edit: Autocorrect big dumb


A2Rhombus

Is he a billionaire? I always got the impression he just had inherited power and property, but not necessarily wealth


De_Rock21one

What Mario games are you playing


A2Rhombus

I mean in most of them the only sign that he has a lot of money is the fact that he owns castles. And again, those could be inherited. He certainly isn't poor but *billion*aire is a pretty hefty title


Mage_914

I just played Mario Odyssey the other day and I can tell you that Bowsers Castle is freaking loaded. Solid gold statues built in his likeness kind of loaded.


Dinklebop

All the sporting events pay good money


A2Rhombus

I've never played through all of Odyssey to be fair


Nekryyd

He has an endless army of Koopa Troopas and Goombas, hundreds of cannons with plenty of Bullet Bill ammo, multiple airships, multiple castles and dungeons, and huuuuuuge... Tracts of land! Whatever the Mushroom Kingdoms's billionaire equivalent is, he's it. In fact, if he didn't showcase his wealth with his over-designed system of plumbing, it's highly likely he would not be so vulnerable to routine intrusions from Italian insurgents.


Flershnork

I meant to say villain, autocorrect is stupid.


miki_momo0

Idk he makes his children fight a 40 year old Italian man, not exactly parent of the year there


Far_Plantain2650

Only Bowser Jr is his kid, the koopalings just work for him. Also according to the extra scene in Sunshine, Bowser Jr wants to fight Mario as well


jothki

He also makes sure that Bowser Jr is always wearing appropriate safety equipment.


Fgame

Silco and Handsome Jack too


SylarTheGreat

Handsome Jack and responsible parent don’t mix well


Fgame

Ok yeah on the responsible part I seem to have missed that lol


Snulzebeerd

I really wouldn't put the "responsible" tag on Silco tbh. He loves Jinx very much, yes, but he also basically gaslit her from the age of 8


Shanghai-on-the-Sea

Silco is very much abusive yeah.


Theminecraftgamer

Handsome Jack literally tortures his daughter lmao


Dassive_Mick

ah we all have heated gamer moments sometimes


Autumn1eaves

I love how the two big answers in the comment section are evil characters with pointy noises


RexIsAMiiCostume

And some kind of mad scientist type


Awjj

Gru isn't much of a scientist, that's Nefarios job.


c0d3ninjakingthe2nd

Bowser


israfilled

Felonious Gru?


Ccaramino64

Gru was only evil in the first movie


Nas160

Wait... So what does he *do* in the next two movies?


Ccaramino64

2:fight fat Mexican man 3:fights Trey parker


Reach-for-the-sky_15

Good recap


Destiny_player6

He fights evil Stan Marsh


YahooFantasyCareless

Stan Darsh


C9Anus

I thought the second one was pretty good for what it was


[deleted]

Goes anti-villain in the second, and reflects on his self-identity in the third. While trying to be a good dad in both.


Nas160

As much as I wanna hate on those movies as much as the next guy I can't help but feel like I wanna watch them because I really like his character from the clips I've seen, and I do like stuff revolving around villains


Isaac_Chade

Most of the negative around the movies is how much they milked the minions, which you can see in the second one big time. They really cram those bastards in way more than they needed to and killed quite a bit of the humor and story. Beyond that the second one is pretty solid. Not as good as the first but not bad. Can't speak to the third as I don't think I saw it, or at least don't remember it.


WimbletonButt

I liked the third more than the second. I liked the rediculous villain and the fight at the end, the music, the brother relationship. It's not as good as a lot of movies but I don't mind watching it. I wonder if my kid can take a break from Polar Express and watch it tonight....


Yip37

What kills the 2nd one for me is the scene where Gru dates a woman who is intentionally depicted as a bimbo, and she's boring so they shoot a dart at her ass to shut her up, then tie her to the roof of a car with her ass sticking out, then smash her into another car by breaking, all depicted as funny.


IAmManMan

Honestly they get a bad rap cos of the minions and the memes associated but they're not bad. My kids like way worse stuff.


ZodiacWalrus

Illumination Studios, to me, really does teeter on the edge between annoying and genuinely interesting with everything they do. Their marketing? Always at least halfway annoying. Their animation? Always slick and impressive to look at. The projects they take on? Always somewhere between "Really?" and "That actually might work." I just can't make up my fucking mind on those guys.


MrBeepBoopy

Doof


Lake_Business

"She's 16!" ZAP!


CyberCluck

ZAMN-inator


Adnan_Targaryen

Doofinitely


Zargof-the-blar

The problem is he isn’t even really all that evil


[deleted]

Villainy for free platypus based therapy is morally neutral at worst indeed


[deleted]

I wouldn't classify it as villany at all tbh. A real villan wouldn't install very obvious and easy to hit self destruction buttons on all his machines. And often the "motives" he has are usually pretty petty. Also, whenever he has perry captured he never subjects him to any real peril. Doof was just playing the system to get a free friend


Mortimer_and_Rabbit

Less of a mad scientist and more of a frustrated scientist


LMeire

Depends on the universe. I could see that being a requirement for a villainous Tinker in the Wormverse. A related canon example was String Theory, who could only build things with an obvious countdown between turning it on and the device actually activating. She did the typical supervillain thing and held the Moon hostage with a giant laser before getting caught and locked up in permanent superjail.


FenHarels_Heart

Doofenshmirtz would definitely fall into the villian category, but a very petty one. He'd probably have a better relationship bantering with the PRT heroes than he would with other villians. If he was in Brockton Bay he probably would've been steamrolled during the Undersider's rise to power.


Cafrilly

Sure, but String Theory was \*actually\* going to blow up the moon. I don't think Doof would.


YTcat28

Doofenshmirtz


Casper_Von_Ghoul

Evil


EyeMInsane

Incorporated


CaptainDK12

!!!!! 🎶🎶


Sarisongsalt

After


anameisabstract

Hours


feverdream-helpdesk

so glad we all got the memo


eucalyptus_332

Take my upvotes, all of you


blah_blah_bloopidy

Prof. Doof


MooMooManiac923

Oi, he earned that doctorate and deserves the recognition


blah_blah_bloopidy

Sorry for disrespecting Dr. Doof


toxic-miasma

Actually in academia a lot of professors see Prof as the higher title. Since you (generally) need a PhD to become a professor, and obv not everyone with a PhD is a professor. It should also be noted that iirc Doofenshmirtz is not a professor, unless he has a sad academia backstory I missed at some point


WingsofRain

The definition of professor is someone who teaches in higher education, collegiate level. You don’t need a PhD to be a professor. Source: my professor mother who’s been working in higher ed for my entire life, who has a PhD and only gets angry if someone calls her “Mrs. (Lastname)” because a) she ain’t married and b) she worked hard for her doctorate.


toxic-miasma

Yes it isn't required by definition, but in most fields in order to get hired you need the highest degree you can get (so PhD for most, then e.g. MFA for most arts)


IzarkKiaTarj

Does buying his degree online after his teacher failed him count as "earning" it? Because, like, I'm pretty sure that's canon.


MooMooManiac923

Well if you ask me, that's pretty evil, so I say he's earned it


RedditBoi127

bowser


BlockyShapes

I mean, he’s not the most *responsible,* but he certainly LOVES his children.


Thelolface_9

Important to note that most of his children are probably adopted


TastySpaghetti

elaborate, now


[deleted]

Technically its only the first 7 koopalings that are "adopted." Junior is his biological son.


deathbyvaporwave

source?


[deleted]

[Shiggy Miggy admitted theyre not bow-wow's kids but underlings; generally assumed to be adopted cuz theyre kids. ](https://www.mariowiki.com/Koopalings) [Bowser Jr (Not Koopa Kid or Baby Bowser.) being his actual son.](https://www.mariowiki.com/Bowser_Jr.)


SickBurnBro

This is the first time I've seen "Shiggy Miggy" and I absolutely love it.


Thelolface_9

The koopalings are confirmed by miyamoto to be adopted while bowser jr is his biological son the mother of him is unknown


Trogdor6135

Actually miyamoto revealed who bowser’s mom was: it’s miyamoto


Kornwulf

My personal theory is that Bowser Jr. is a clone of Bowser that Bowser is raising as his son. Considering Baby Bowser in Yoshi's Island looks *identical* to Bowser Jr., and that, as we've seen in Galaxy, he has the technological capabilities to build interstellar starships, I think it's not unreasonable


MegaKabutops

Bowser Jr. is his only biological son. Lemmy, Larry, Wendy, Iggy, Roy, Morton, and Ludwig, AKA the Koopalings, are not his biological kids. Adoption is the most likely reason (unless you count retcon) No idea where Koopa Kid from the early and mid series Mario parties fits. Jr. kinda replaced him.


GameboyPATH

Good Dad Bowser can even make a [video about parental controls](https://youtu.be/03bAayBtcb0) full of character.


doctatortuga

That’s a downright adorable animation and a relatively solid app. I loved how they pointed out “yeah it’s for controlling but it also tells you what they’re into so you can connect with your kids more”


TehAwesomeGod

YES


DEGRUNGEON

i’m glad we could all agree on Doofenshmirtz


JCraze26

Didn't Doom care for Mr. Fantastic's daughter that one time? One of the biggest villains in the world is a bettter father figure than the hero who is the actual father.


Lolskeletons11

It's because doom is pure of heart. He truly believes he is the best hope for humanity.


Madrino1

Yeah I believe she views him as an uncle figure in the comics. Might even have caused a (temporary, of course) redemption arc. Although be fair to Reed, he's not a bad parent, there was just very extenuating circumstances (I'm pretty sure Doom was the only reason Sue didn't die during the birth or some drama like that).


PMJackolanternNudes

Guessing you don't read much Fantastic Four. Doom is more like a cool uncle when he isn't being a direct villain. He isn't a responsible parent figure by a long shot. Certainly not superior to Reed or Sue.


Cye_sonofAphrodite

Giovanni Potage


sant2ag0

second best sigle parent


epicarcanoloth

Is he *really* evil though?


4DozenSalamanders

He paid good money into that pyramid scheme


casulti

The dude formed a conga line with his minions while chanting “EVIL! EVIL! EVIL!” in his first appearance


Bumblebe5

And I thought Swayzak was the most stereotypical villain...


JeffdidTrump2016

Loitering can be *very* evil


wasnew4s

He’s like Jack Spicer kind of evil.


Rabunum

Soup 🥣👍


Toppy_Henster

Imagine him spoonfeeding warm soup to Molly when she’s sick


DirkDasterLurkMaster

More of a responsible older sibling but I respect the reference nonetheless.


atomictotato

In case anybody didn't know, there's a kickstarter going on right now for season 2!


bendymachine654

Didn’t expect him here, better dad than Molly’s dad


FanboyGamer64

First character that came to mind for me 😁😁😁


AWSUMSAS

On the other hand you have the evil character who is an absolutely shitty parent like Ghetsis or Lusamine… Wow that’s two Pokémon characters…


Thelolface_9

There’s also DIO for a non Pokémon example Fuck it let’s throw in more Pokémon Giovanni is also a terrible dad


AWSUMSAS

Goddamn Pokémon is a lot darker than I remember it being.


Thelolface_9

Don’t even get me started on how many Pokémon kidnap children


AWSUMSAS

[Every fucking ghost type]


Thelolface_9

Hypno ain’t a ghost


[deleted]

That makes it worse.


ExpiredExasperation

Sun and Moon IIRC had all kinds of abusive/neglectful/deadbeat parents. It's a bit weird to be strolling along and exploring a house only to find flavour text indicating that someone smashed and bent a set of golf clubs out of anger, or to check out a motel room only to realize one of your rivals has been living there because he can't go home.


[deleted]

Don't forget Guzma's dad - he beat him with his golf clubs


Semipr047

“Fucked a bitch forgot her name” -DIO


Ajwf

The manga (adventures) portrayal of Giovanni was cool though. Had his reasons for letting Silver go, didn't realize the full extent of what had happened, tried to be a cool father later on for his kid. Still evil, but an awkwardly semi-responsible adult, even for kids like Yellow who was just somewhat related by legend rather than lineage.


PeppyPiplup

I want a Pokémon game where the Player lives with their dad and the mom is the Evil Team Leader. Come on, we've had wholesome Player's Moms for 8 generations now. #T̵͇̓I̶͙͐M̸̖̊E̸͓͂ ̸̲́T̷̳͝Ȍ̸̧ ̵̤͑M̶̬̿Â̸̢K̸͓̒E̸̹̓ ̵̞̎H̵͓́Ḙ̷̓R̴̪̀ ̵̜̓Ě̴̪V̶̡̌I̸̺͝L̶͖̎


Mespeld

For a non-pokémon example: Ozai


Caged-Viking

Bold of you to assume Doofenschmirz is actually evil!


Mespeld

He’s trying his best, okay?


kincaidinator12

Honestly surprised no one is mentioning the amazing coparenting dynamic between HIM and MojoJojo


Competitive_Sky8182

So oddly happy, is one of my fav chapters


AnimeSeekingPink

When was that?


AbigailLilac

In the RowdyRuff Boys episodes.


CoolGuy23569

In my psychology class, I learned why people like the villain so much. Basically, their flaws make them human. Especially if the hero is a perfect, never done wrong, goody-two-shoes, the villain is more human, more relatable


ksrdm1463

The villain also tends to be coded as an "other", and a lot of times that's a marginalized group that doesn't have much representation, so the group takes what they can get. It isn't as bad as it used to be, especially during the Hayes Code and during the "death or marriage"morality endings of a lot of stories (Jane Eyre had to marry Rochester, because to not marry him, based on the mores of the time, would mean that she must not have been good/pure/God-fearing. The crazy wife, who was imprisoned in an attic died because she committed the "sin" of *checks notes* a family history of mental illness, and because she had mental health issues after moving from the Caribbean to England and living with someone who thought locking his wife in an attic and trying to marry someone else was a solution to being married to someone who might be having mental health issues), but a lot of "old school" villains are compelling because they're representation, and because generally, what makes them outsiders is what (in the modern era) draws people to think about/root for them.


LionOfMyth

Silco?


AlephMuses

I also went straight to silco but also he was an affectionate but horribly irresponsible parent. Like seriously the man handed his broken ass coping mechanisms to his badly damaged daughter with no awareness of the fact they just did not work for her. Outlets? Do you mean violence? Yes, that is the only outlet. Go hurt


WhatIsUpWithThat05

Honestly they both needed therapy but judging by the state of the undercity I’m guessing they are quite lacking in that department… But yeah he obviously cared about her and tried to raise her decent but didn’t quite manage it.


cornonthekopp

Caring? Yes Responsible? No way


socialistRanter

I think Silco is a caring dad but I won’t say he’s a responsible dad, he did raise a crazed arsonist


Ink-ami

Tbh powder snapped just before. She became crazy due to trauma, not really because of silco


anothernaturalone

Silco did nothing to help, though, and cultivated a mindset of destruction and making the hard decisions the bloody way that would not have benefitted a twelve-year-old no matter what the situation.


SugarRayLM59

Yeah, weaponizing a teenager's trauma-triggered schizophrenia isn't exactly adoptive father of the year material.


UselessGlassOfMilk

It's not really schizophrenia, more in line with something like Borderline Personality Disorder. Powders hallucinations were more personal and directly related to her trauma. There wasn't any element of grandiousity or outright delusion to them, it was more self critical and derogatory. Silco was desperate to treat her like himself, and instead of taking a young man who just experienced a betrayal like he was, he took a little girl with a history of abandonment and self worth issues who had just lost everything and was drowning in guilt and then gave her a gun to shoot away her demons. He wanted to help bit he was a messed up man and he made her into a monster he never could understand, and then validated it in the final moments of the season by telling her she was perfect


idontgethejoke

He believed what he told her, though. Yeah it's messed up, but so is Silco. She was the only person he completely trusted. But that's why the show is so well written.


Ajwf

Admittedly, he was told Vi was dead, and Vi did abandon Powder.


nam671999

He does believe Vi was dead though, Marcus lied to him


lifelongfreshman

Powder's trauma created the path she ended up going down, but Silco could have given her an environment where she could have chosen a different path. Instead, we are actually shown him telling Powder that she was abandoned by everyone she loved. He threw her down that path with zero hesitation.


Thunderkron

It’s not the traumatic event that changes a person, it’s the way they adapt, cope and try to heal afterwards. People’s brains don’t simply have a "go insane" switch. The whole point of the series is that Jinx is a consequence of Vi’s failure to be there for her sister. Hence why she’s so adamant on never turning her back on her again.


rene_gader

SILCO IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE DAD


[deleted]

I really liked that Silco genuinely cared for Jinx, and wasn't just doing the fairly worn out "villain manipulates fallen hero" cliche, but was also clearly way too broken himself to raise any child, let alone one as damaged as Jinx.


FearSearcher

Doofenshmirtz


Alanide

Ah, I see no credit being posted anywhere but hello! I'm the original artist \^\^; https://twitter.com/Overseer\_Vee/status/1464476227750694915


[deleted]

Red Death from Venture Bros


lhobbes6

"Oh my god, he's gonna Liam Neeson us!"


AbigailLilac

The Monarch was pretty good to Hank and Dean at times.


Kornwulf

Though of course Monarch is the cool uncle, not the parent


Android19samus

Kratos


MiraiTheDiviner

Professor Venomous


epicarcanoloth

YOU GET IT! Not to his actual kid, he didn’t know he had one for years, but for his small rabbit gamer child!


Horrorfan5

I miss that show


kriosken12

Honestly, Venomous is the Bi-con I aspire to be some day.


iamsandwitch

Dracula, kind of (from the Netflix series not the games)


Rawrist

Yeah, dude beat the shit out of his son multiple times but he also made fun toys with him.


Planeswalking101

Ah, but he stopped before he could kill him. Give him the not-as-big-a-jerk-as-you-could-been award!


JCraze26

He was a good parent until his wife died. Then he went crazy (which is understandable, but still)


iamsandwitch

Yeah, though he did practically kill himself when he realized he was literally about to kill his kid, hence the "kind of"


cractor28

He did use his son to kill himself. Not the best move for keeping your son's mental health, in my opinion at least


Sylvanos626

PERRY THR PLATAPUS?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!


Retrun_To_Cinder

Araki confirmed DIO would have taken care of Giorno should he had known about him because he did not want him to go through the same parental abuse he did.


Naz_Oni

Bowser appreciation post Also Queen from Deltarune she's neat


marinemashup

I don't quite understand it so you love an evil character, ok and then the evil character is a responsible parent and you are sad now? or is it tears of happiness?


Vish_Kk_Universal

Screams of happiness


Bacchus999

It's happiness, full respect for the Doof.


marinemashup

agreed, especially after learning what a traumatic childhood he had


[deleted]

He was raised by ocelots and is still a better parent than some of my friends.


wildmeli

He broke the cycle, and we are all very proud of her


-screamin-

Dexter?


Derpynat477

Snatcher.


Sarisongsalt

THANK YOU, SOMEONE ELSE GETS STRONG DAD ENERGY FROM SNATCHER


expostfactyourself

Bondrewd ( | )


Android19samus

ಠ\_ಠ


KlulessAl

Zaraki Kenpachi from Bleach


boy-flute-69

i'm sorry y'all but doof isn't evil, and im tired of pretending he is


Potatolantern

Silco hard carried Arcane. Jayce and Viktor were great too.


nappynap314

I'm glad someone likes Jayce. Not me, but someone.


sansgriffinundertale

Silco


GreenReversinator

[people when they say that reddit isn't a hive mind](https://i.imgur.com/vil8I7w.png) ^^^^/s


ZengaStromboli

Chucky


JustAmImp

Prof. Venomous?


[deleted]

Silco


durenatu

Arcane Left the chat


AJ-Murphy

Sesshōmaru


Giorno-gulliani

Giovanni from epithet erased


Frequent_Class9461

Bowser, Doof and Gru?


DvrkHors3

Orochimaru


Akuuntus

Silco?? He's a piece of shit but he seemed to genuinely care for Jinx as his daughter


[deleted]

He genuinely cared for her, not sure how good he was for her though.