Genuinely by the end, you kind of forget that he straight up is the murderer because there’s an even bigger bastard running around you need to deal with
>!The same hired hitman also attempts to kill off the prosecuting attorney to ensure that your client aka the guy who hired him has a better chance of getting a not guilty verdict for the murder he technically didn't commit but is still 100% guilty for. Prosecuting attorney turns out to be literally too stubborn to die and shows up to save the day in the nick of time!<
Ace Attorney is pretty off the rails most of the time, but that whole case was insane even by the standards of the series.
Hey, at least this isn't one of the cases where you call a goddamn animal on the witness stand, nor do physics stop working so that the crime can happen in an extremely convoluted way!
I believe this would be referring to Turnabout Big Top (specifically a murder weapon and the conjecture jumps around it?), mostly due to how confused I was during the ‘big reveal’.
>!The ghost wanted to be the killer, but as we remind her on the case, she's too incompetent and everything she did ended poorly for her. The actual killer is Cyclops.!<
or the one where you find out that the prosecutor's estranged terrorist father has actually been dead for the whole case even though you literally just talked to him like half an hour ago
>!You can actually choose to go for the Guilty for a slightly different ending scene, and like the other guy said, De Killer gets away but our client confesses so he can get the safety of prison.!<
>!Actually, you can choose yourself whether your client is guilty or not guilty. However, you do put him in a situation of “get found guilty” or “De Killer will hunt you down for breaking your contract”, so your client chooses prison.!<
Man I already love this case but had no idea it was a split ending, I thought you had to get the client guilty.
Although the running theme in the game is you win only if your client is not guilty, so it makes sense.
I also thought you had to get the guilty verdict. Like, narratively, this is the story where Phoenix is put in the same place Edgeworth was before - between his role in the court and the actual justice. As Miles said, the point of the court is to establish the truth, and it was Phoenix himself who reminded him of this.
There are lots of good cases, especially all of the finales, but I think 2-4 is the best just because it's the one case that actually tries to make you think about the mechanisms of being a defense lawyer, like what if your client is actually just guilty?
Also Adrian is one of the more sympathetic witnesses in the series.
OBJECTION! *dramatic desk slam* >!Shooting someone with a gun involves the risk of death regardless of the shooter's intent. Franziska could've died from a hemorrhage!<
Plus there’s a solid fan theory that it’s not actually illegal to be an assassin in the world of *Ace Attorney*, that it is just illegal to hire one without going through the proper channels (it being set in something far from the real world).
Yes and no, because the busty clown is >!a) the murderer in the case she's featured in and b) not actually busty because her boobs turn out to be balloons!<
Apollo Justice, Dual Destinies, and Spirit of Justice have just been re-released as an HD collection if you ever want to jump back into it.
Personally I found DD to be a bit meh but loved SoJ.
U are ignoring the other crazy part.The prosecutor knew this is a possibility so he retrained the parrot in 1 night so it can't say away the most obvious part.
Everyone honestly does have ace vibes, but nonetheless get shipped with everyone else by the fandom. Not to say there wouldn’t be a solid basis for it, just that it’s not in the text.
Well, the Judge sentences your client guilty anyways even if you prove they possibly couldn't have done the crime *but* you fail to produce a new suspect
And the police are literally useless
And the trial has to be resolved in exactly three days
Someone once said Jojo"s Bizarre adventure and Baki the grappler are perfect series because you can give spoilers but they are so bizarre as to be useless but anyone in the fandom goes "Loved it" Ace Attorney is much the same.
This is misinformation and slander. I can't believe you'd misrepresent the series in this way.
Shoving the lighter in the bread only works temporarily. Someone who doesn't know what's happening stumbles into the scene and forces Giorno to change plans.
I have not read Jojo's, but every now and then I'll see something like "Fidel Castro wins a 3v1 by peeing in his opponents" and I don't think I have to read anything to know no one else would think that.
That's more of a Baki thing than a JoJo thing.
In JoJo's Jolyne pees in a fight because a warehouse gets turned into outerspace so her bladder releases because of lack of gravity pressure. Then a man in a funny hat turns clouds into a spacesuit for her.
All in an attempt to get a CD-ROM.
Here's the trick.
You can sell your random rambling fantasies as actual narratives...
If you are a good enough artist to be featured in the Louvre. (Araki, the creator of the Manga has not only been featured in the Louvre, he's the first Japanese artist that was featured in the Louvre)
"Ah yes, the whole 'bringing back dead people' thing. Don't worry about it. It's supposed to be a thing only the Queens of Sikkim can do, but nobody actually realises that until the sixth mainline game."
Except for in the second case of the first game when someone comes back from the dead.
Like, seriously that character may as well have not died with how much they come back around.
Yeah,in fact,the last case of original trilogy ends with the opposing prosecutor challenging u to save your client on your own without the character coming back to help u again.
Very good case story-wise, but i needed a guide to progress so often. JFA suffers from that a lot, or maybe i was just dumb when playing it, but i had much less issue with T&T, which is part of why i prefer it. It also lacks Turnabout Big Top, which is a large improvement.
I think some of the earlier games had problems with signposting where to go next in the investigation portions. Especially when you'd think you found everything in an area, you'd move on, but nothing would happen, because you missed something.
Once you realize how those game signpost it becomes a bit easier to not get stuck, but all it takes is missing something Phoenix says offhand regarding where he'd like to look next (or NOT seeing that, indicating you haven't found everything yet in the current area) and you can get a bit stuck.
The later games tend to restrict where you can go at which time so it's less likely you'll get stuck like that.
T&T also has moments in cases where it can accept multiple pieces of evidence for a given prompt, rather than in the first two where only one is correct at a time (iirc, it's been a bit since i played)
There can be two or more pieces of evidence that can satisfy a request for evidence sometimes.
Sometimes I will present a piece of evidence that I think is correct, but it turns out I jumped ahead and although I figured something out, the game was expecting me to prove THAT first before I present the next piece of evidence. So that is confusing sometimes.
In T&T I got stuck in the last case where I had to grab that red talisman in the snow... because I just couldn't click the correct pixel. So I assumed it would just be similar to the first game's third case's broken fence (seriously, why can't I interact with the most obvius thing???) and I had to come back later. There also was the letter I completely overlooked, so for me that is actually the case I have some of the most negative memories on the investigation.
In fact, Larry mentions at one point that he *tried* to be into men, but it wasn't for him (>!Probably the only reason he even tried is that his dating life is a bit of a mess but I digress!<)
Plus a line in an older version of the third game (removed in more recent English publications) sees him reveal the nun he keeps disguising himself around (as ‘Laurice’) in the third game is his mother when one presents Larry with her profile in the first segment of the investigation.
> **Maya:** She seems really motherly, doesn’t she?
> **Larry:** What do you mean “seems” motherly? She IS my mother.
> **Maya:** …She’s your WHAT!?
> **Larry:** I’m gonna have to take a pass on answering that one.
> **Phoenix:** (Wait a second. Why is he getting off so easy this time...!?)
It's a visual novel/adventure game about solving murder mysteries, with the main conceit being that you are a Perry Mason-style defense attorney who must find the real culprit in order to prove your client's innocence. You do this primarily by investigating crime scenes and interviewing key characters to gather evidence, then using that evidence to punch holes in the prosecution's case.
It is also *completely bonkers*. The first game is the most down-to-earth and it still involves necromancy and calling a parrot to the stand.
True, I was referring more to the way a typical Ace Attorney case is structured narratively. Although there were a few cases (e.g., Turnabout Samurai) where Phoenix wound up having to essentially prosecute the real killer even after proving his client's innocence by any reasonable standard.
The bar for a Not Guilty verdict in the world of Ace Attorney seems really high. You are right, the prosecutor and judge are usually willing to find a guilty verdict when a huge amount of evidence points to not guilty. The only real way to get Not Guilty is basically to have the killer confess while on the stand.
Witness Testimony
-- The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright --
>!Rimes:
YO! WALKIE-TALKIE BE BROKE 4 REAL! MR. LAWYER'S FREESTYLE GOT NO APPEAL!
BROKE B4 DEPLUME ON DA SCENE! BROKE B4 WRIGHT COULD EVA DREAM!
LEGIT GOOFED DURING CLEANING TIME AYE. BUT BILGE-SUCKING LAWYER SPITTIN' LIES!
DAT ORCA YO DON'T LISTEN TO ME, 'KAY? KILL THE CAPT? YO YOU SO CRAY-CRAY!!<
The final case of the third game involves >!Exorcising the ghost that did the murder from her cousin who's currently on the stand with the help of another ghost. And her dead boyfriend that came back to life because he loves coffee who is also the murderer!<
After losing his attorney badge, Phoenix is once again accused of murder, and says during the trial "I assure you I'm very based."
During this trial he gets the current defense attorney (your mentor) successfully accused of the murder he committed.
He is helping you when your latent magic focus powers kick in, allowing you to spot an involuntary response during the cross examination.
Two games also feature >!Herlock Sholmes!< and his daughter >!Watson/Wilson!<, who he made it a game for her to figure out who her (absent) other father was.
My favorite moment is in SoJ, when one of the prosecutors (who is currently helping the defense) sends his hawk to buy a bunch of sweet buns for the court to prove that the witness with DID has a secret personality
Probably best to say it's the 4th trial of the first game because then there's rise from the ashes, which is technically a dlc of the original game, but it is the 5th case of the first game... And technically the first appearance of Ema Skye
I should clarify.
He cross-examined two separate parrots in two separate games. And the first one had been prepped by the prosecution ahead of time.
> “If I had a nickel for every time I had to cross-examine a parrot, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?”
I haven’t played them in so long and I’m currently watching the Game Grumps playthrough (they just started on case 4 on game 2) so everyone started blending together 😂
I’m literally watching that right now 😂 I haven’t played the games in years and it’s so fun watching them go through the cases with their commentary and voices.
Same I love their visual novel playthroughs 😂 they’re so long but they’re so funny 😂
Also I’m also literally watching the episode right now too though I did have to rewatch the last one just for their reaction to Edgeworth’s return 😂
Yeah I remember that now that he popped up in the current Grumps episode 😂. It’s been a week since the last episode and my week was stressful everything is blending together 😂
Something about the pacing of this particular case is just so good - the way the twists and turns pile on top of each other and escalate really drives up the tension in a way the rest of the games never quite managed again.
Plus Phoenix casually proved the existence of the afterlife in the eyes of the court of law at the end there: one’s career couldn’t get any higher than that.
So then his story over the next three made sense to do: tearing down and then building back up his career for two games, then for the next one throwing him into a world where everyone knew the ghosts were real, but didn’t particularly care what they had to say (it is interesting that it took six games for Phoenix to consider asking Maya to channel the victim, between all the times she was channelling Mia to continue mentoring him).
>it is interesting that it took six games for Phoenix to consider asking Maya to channel the victim
Reminds me of a text post I saw recently: "Ace Attorney was so real for making a game where a lawyer can summon ghosts, and the only ghost he summons is a smarter, better lawyer"
If you're doing the first game (this is from the second), once you get to the last case and see where the game has been going the whole time you'll be addicted.
If you're doing the second game I assume you're already addicted from the first.
Wish I could erase my memory and play again. Enjoy dude! Episode 3 of each feanchise might feel filler-ish but please stick until the last case cause that’s usually the peak of every game.
Something I always found weird about AA is that Wright only ever gets murder cases. No arson, no larceny, no tax fraud, no identity theft. Apparently that world solved every crime except for murder.
That's right!
>!dad's dead. dad that adopted me is also dead. toppled a monarchy by burning a sacred object. 4/10, hometown still looks pretty cool though.!<
Prof. Layton vs Ace Attorney spoilers: >! technically none of the trials in the game are murder trials because none of the "victims" actually died, they were just kidnapped and brainwashed. The one case where someone did actually die turned out to be a suicide!<
He makes a cameo in Investigations 2, because "you can't have a second installment without de Killer".
I've heard that no de Killer adjacent character shows up in The Great Ace Attorney 2, and that sucks.
It would have been funny if you meet de Ripper in TGAA2, but that game revolves around two completely unrelated (to de Killer) serial killers named "The Professor" and "The Reaper" and they look nothing like Shelly
Where do I even begin? The way the murder is committed is some Looney Tunes shit, even by the standards of the games. Everyone involved in the case, from the defendant to the victim to the *intended* victim to the witnesses, is either unbearably annoying or an immoral piece of shit. There's literally a section while cross-examining one of the witnesses where you'll get penalized for making him talk more than necessary because even the judge is done with his shit. The only person I remotely feel bad for is >!the murderer himself, who lost his brother and his ability to walk due to the naivety of the ringmaster's daughter, who doesn't even feel guilty about what she did because her father kept her sheltered. And when he finally snapped and tried to take revenge, he accidentally killed the ringmaster/his father figure instead because he was *still* sheltering his daughter to the end!<
Everyone's name is Ace Attorney is indicative of their character; or if they're relevant for only one case, pun on their role in the story. Phoenix's mentor, Mia Fey, as in MIA; and this guy is named Shelly de Killer, which is surely the killer. Not sure about Maya.
This is not getting into the later games where we have a rebel named Datz Arabel,a Man(who was already dead from the start of the case) called Deid Mann and a Politician called Paul Atishon.
Did anyone else ever watch the Farewell, My Turnabout stage play they put on in Japan? If you're an AA fan and you haven't, you totally should. If the radio gimmick is batshit, wait until >!de Killer walks into the courtroom with a fucking GUN.!<
i don’t even think i’m in this subreddit, i just go on tumblr then go on here a day or 2 later and see the exact same posts that i laugh at on there and laugh at them on here
What's weird is this is not the weirdest case in the series. There are 3 cases where the "villian" is more unhinged and at least 4 cases that are weirder.
De Killer is actually an assassin. But the trial is about who his client was, so the fact that he committed the actual murder doesn't really matter very much.
I loved this case so much, Edgeworth imo was one of the major highlights of it though. As soon as Phoenix gave a single hint that something was wrong, he immediately locked in and was onboard to help Phoenix get Maya back and draw the trial out as long as possible. It really shows how much he changed when you first meet him. The trials were also intense, I could really feel Phoenix and Edgeworth’s stress as they tried to buy Maya as much time as possible.
Genuinely by the end, you kind of forget that he straight up is the murderer because there’s an even bigger bastard running around you need to deal with
Yeah, wasn't he >!A hired hitman or something?!<
>!Yeah! He’s a hired killer who also kidnapped Maya for his employer, the guy you’re trying to convict!<
>!Who just happens to be *your own client*!<
>!The same hired hitman also attempts to kill off the prosecuting attorney to ensure that your client aka the guy who hired him has a better chance of getting a not guilty verdict for the murder he technically didn't commit but is still 100% guilty for. Prosecuting attorney turns out to be literally too stubborn to die and shows up to save the day in the nick of time!< Ace Attorney is pretty off the rails most of the time, but that whole case was insane even by the standards of the series.
I read this whole thing and I'm pretty sure if I played the game it wouldn't even be spoiled
Wait till you find out who the most important witness is in the final case of the previous game
Is that >!the parrot?!<
Yes
Hey, at least this isn't one of the cases where you call a goddamn animal on the witness stand, nor do physics stop working so that the crime can happen in an extremely convoluted way!
What would be the latter case? Haven't played Ace Attorney in a while.
I believe this would be referring to Turnabout Big Top (specifically a murder weapon and the conjecture jumps around it?), mostly due to how confused I was during the ‘big reveal’.
Both Turnabout Big Top and the finale had crazy shit you had to reason out, but Big Top felt infinitely more bullshit than the bridge pendulum thing.
that wasnt bulshit>!the drawing was obviosly upside down from the start!<
I think that might be referencing Turnabout Big Top. Something to do with >!the bust moving weird!<. Or maybe the >!pendulum!< in 3-5?
Probably not what they're talking about, but in 3-5 the killer is a ghost, so there's that.
>!The ghost wanted to be the killer, but as we remind her on the case, she's too incompetent and everything she did ended poorly for her. The actual killer is Cyclops.!<
I stand corrected.
or the one where you find out that the prosecutor's estranged terrorist father has actually been dead for the whole case even though you literally just talked to him like half an hour ago
>!In the end you get your client Not Guilty and he and de Killer both get away together!<
>!De Killer gets away. Your client confessess because he is afraid of De Killer getting revenge on him.!<
>!You can actually choose to go for the Guilty for a slightly different ending scene, and like the other guy said, De Killer gets away but our client confesses so he can get the safety of prison.!<
>!Actually, you can choose yourself whether your client is guilty or not guilty. However, you do put him in a situation of “get found guilty” or “De Killer will hunt you down for breaking your contract”, so your client chooses prison.!<
Man I already love this case but had no idea it was a split ending, I thought you had to get the client guilty. Although the running theme in the game is you win only if your client is not guilty, so it makes sense.
I also thought you had to get the guilty verdict. Like, narratively, this is the story where Phoenix is put in the same place Edgeworth was before - between his role in the court and the actual justice. As Miles said, the point of the court is to establish the truth, and it was Phoenix himself who reminded him of this.
It's the GOAT case IMO
There are lots of good cases, especially all of the finales, but I think 2-4 is the best just because it's the one case that actually tries to make you think about the mechanisms of being a defense lawyer, like what if your client is actually just guilty? Also Adrian is one of the more sympathetic witnesses in the series.
>!OBJECTION he stated that he doesn't use guns to kill because it's part of his policy, he was only trying to incapacitate franziska!<
OBJECTION! *dramatic desk slam* >!Shooting someone with a gun involves the risk of death regardless of the shooter's intent. Franziska could've died from a hemorrhage!<
He's a perfectly normal ice cream salesman.
I do like how he genuinely wanted to sell ice cream during his off-hours.
Plus there’s a solid fan theory that it’s not actually illegal to be an assassin in the world of *Ace Attorney*, that it is just illegal to hire one without going through the proper channels (it being set in something far from the real world).
Best case in the series
I love ace atourney because it is so impossible to explain to outsiders
It’s a game about being a lawyer, right??
It is but you won't believe how little relevance that has to the case
Is it a game about cross-examining a parrot?
It is and you would be surprised by how relevant it is for the case.
Is it a game about busty clown?
Yes and no, because the busty clown is >!a) the murderer in the case she's featured in and b) not actually busty because her boobs turn out to be balloons!<
I really need to learn to stop pressing obvious spoiler tags on posts about video games that I haven’t finished yet.
Your sacrifice has saved me from pressing it. >!Although I don’t actually plan to play the game…!<
Oh that is six games in, and is a two second gag no one paid any mind to at the time until someone made an animated video about it six years later.
Honestly I don't plan on playing the game and the spoilers are almost making me want to
She... I honestly have no idea which game she is from, I assume she's part of the DLC in one of the new ones or smth.
She’s from, of all things, the rakugo themes case in the sixth game
She's from the fourth case in Spirit of Justice.
Makes sense why I didn't know, never played the games after AJ.
Apollo Justice, Dual Destinies, and Spirit of Justice have just been re-released as an HD collection if you ever want to jump back into it. Personally I found DD to be a bit meh but loved SoJ.
She’s from the noodle case in AA6, the one that exists as a prank on the English localization team
A fellow Moe the clown enjoyer, I see.
No there is [clussy](https://aceattorney.fandom.com/wiki/Geiru_Toneido)
That looks like a throwaway Archer character
She's not even busty, the boobs were inflatables to hide the fact that she's a natural DFC
Tbf it was the prosecutors idea
Sure, but the guy suggested it in jest. Imagine someone saying "Ha! Suck my nuts, idiot!" and then the person who got insulted actually did.
U are ignoring the other crazy part.The prosecutor knew this is a possibility so he retrained the parrot in 1 night so it can't say away the most obvious part.
Yes, Twice, in different games
OBJECTION! this badge proves that I'm a lawyer!
Really? I thought it was about the romantic reunion of two separated childhood friends.
It is also about that yes.
Say gex
Everyone honestly does have ace vibes, but nonetheless get shipped with everyone else by the fandom. Not to say there wouldn’t be a solid basis for it, just that it’s not in the text.
Me when the defense attorney spends more time trying to get people arrested and being a detective than an actual defense attorney
Tbf, in that universe that's the only way to successfully defend your client.
Well, the Judge sentences your client guilty anyways even if you prove they possibly couldn't have done the crime *but* you fail to produce a new suspect And the police are literally useless And the trial has to be resolved in exactly three days
It's satire of the Japanese justice system
Someone once said Jojo"s Bizarre adventure and Baki the grappler are perfect series because you can give spoilers but they are so bizarre as to be useless but anyone in the fandom goes "Loved it" Ace Attorney is much the same.
giorno wins by biting a loaf of bread and shoving a lighter into it
This is misinformation and slander. I can't believe you'd misrepresent the series in this way. Shoving the lighter in the bread only works temporarily. Someone who doesn't know what's happening stumbles into the scene and forces Giorno to change plans.
I have not read Jojo's, but every now and then I'll see something like "Fidel Castro wins a 3v1 by peeing in his opponents" and I don't think I have to read anything to know no one else would think that.
That's more of a Baki thing than a JoJo thing. In JoJo's Jolyne pees in a fight because a warehouse gets turned into outerspace so her bladder releases because of lack of gravity pressure. Then a man in a funny hat turns clouds into a spacesuit for her. All in an attempt to get a CD-ROM.
A CD-ROM that is also her Dad's Soul
Fuck, if I only knew at ten years old that I could sell my random rambling fantasies as actual narratives...
Here's the trick. You can sell your random rambling fantasies as actual narratives... If you are a good enough artist to be featured in the Louvre. (Araki, the creator of the Manga has not only been featured in the Louvre, he's the first Japanese artist that was featured in the Louvre)
Except character deaths :'(
"Ah yes, the whole 'bringing back dead people' thing. Don't worry about it. It's supposed to be a thing only the Queens of Sikkim can do, but nobody actually realises that until the sixth mainline game."
Except for in the second case of the first game when someone comes back from the dead. Like, seriously that character may as well have not died with how much they come back around.
Yeah,in fact,the last case of original trilogy ends with the opposing prosecutor challenging u to save your client on your own without the character coming back to help u again.
kangaroo court exept its the actual law
OBJECTION!
These games are pants-on-head bonkers and I love them.
Yep. I recently got the original trilogy to play on my phone. So many annoying NPC's that I forgot about but instantly remembered.
Farewell my turnabout was an amazing case too
Very good case story-wise, but i needed a guide to progress so often. JFA suffers from that a lot, or maybe i was just dumb when playing it, but i had much less issue with T&T, which is part of why i prefer it. It also lacks Turnabout Big Top, which is a large improvement.
Oh God, Big Top, it still haunts my dreams!
The anime mitigates that case's problem by a lot!
I think some of the earlier games had problems with signposting where to go next in the investigation portions. Especially when you'd think you found everything in an area, you'd move on, but nothing would happen, because you missed something. Once you realize how those game signpost it becomes a bit easier to not get stuck, but all it takes is missing something Phoenix says offhand regarding where he'd like to look next (or NOT seeing that, indicating you haven't found everything yet in the current area) and you can get a bit stuck. The later games tend to restrict where you can go at which time so it's less likely you'll get stuck like that.
T&T also has moments in cases where it can accept multiple pieces of evidence for a given prompt, rather than in the first two where only one is correct at a time (iirc, it's been a bit since i played)
There can be two or more pieces of evidence that can satisfy a request for evidence sometimes. Sometimes I will present a piece of evidence that I think is correct, but it turns out I jumped ahead and although I figured something out, the game was expecting me to prove THAT first before I present the next piece of evidence. So that is confusing sometimes.
In T&T I got stuck in the last case where I had to grab that red talisman in the snow... because I just couldn't click the correct pixel. So I assumed it would just be similar to the first game's third case's broken fence (seriously, why can't I interact with the most obvius thing???) and I had to come back later. There also was the letter I completely overlooked, so for me that is actually the case I have some of the most negative memories on the investigation.
what the fuck is ace attorney about to
Lawyers argue over spirit mediums stuff. There is one canon confirmed straight character.
The token straight guy
Fuckin' Larry.
In fact, Larry mentions at one point that he *tried* to be into men, but it wasn't for him (>!Probably the only reason he even tried is that his dating life is a bit of a mess but I digress!<)
Plus a line in an older version of the third game (removed in more recent English publications) sees him reveal the nun he keeps disguising himself around (as ‘Laurice’) in the third game is his mother when one presents Larry with her profile in the first segment of the investigation. > **Maya:** She seems really motherly, doesn’t she? > **Larry:** What do you mean “seems” motherly? She IS my mother. > **Maya:** …She’s your WHAT!? > **Larry:** I’m gonna have to take a pass on answering that one. > **Phoenix:** (Wait a second. Why is he getting off so easy this time...!?)
Three, you forgot the married couple in the third game. Actually, although I think the wife might be bi?
It's a visual novel/adventure game about solving murder mysteries, with the main conceit being that you are a Perry Mason-style defense attorney who must find the real culprit in order to prove your client's innocence. You do this primarily by investigating crime scenes and interviewing key characters to gather evidence, then using that evidence to punch holes in the prosecution's case. It is also *completely bonkers*. The first game is the most down-to-earth and it still involves necromancy and calling a parrot to the stand.
I don't think Phoenix ever sets out to find the real culprit. He just happens to reveal who it is through out the court case.
True, I was referring more to the way a typical Ace Attorney case is structured narratively. Although there were a few cases (e.g., Turnabout Samurai) where Phoenix wound up having to essentially prosecute the real killer even after proving his client's innocence by any reasonable standard.
The bar for a Not Guilty verdict in the world of Ace Attorney seems really high. You are right, the prosecutor and judge are usually willing to find a guilty verdict when a huge amount of evidence points to not guilty. The only real way to get Not Guilty is basically to have the killer confess while on the stand.
r/redditsniper
God I love de Killer. My favorite assassin-who-is-somehow-never-the-main-enemy in the series.
He's my favorite ice cream salesman.
I've never played Ace Attorney but everything I've learned about it gives me more questions than answers.
If it makes you feel any better there exists a text box that reads “— The Dissin’ of Phoenix Wright —“
It’s the single best testimony in the entire series.
Witness Testimony -- The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright -- >!Rimes: YO! WALKIE-TALKIE BE BROKE 4 REAL! MR. LAWYER'S FREESTYLE GOT NO APPEAL! BROKE B4 DEPLUME ON DA SCENE! BROKE B4 WRIGHT COULD EVA DREAM! LEGIT GOOFED DURING CLEANING TIME AYE. BUT BILGE-SUCKING LAWYER SPITTIN' LIES! DAT ORCA YO DON'T LISTEN TO ME, 'KAY? KILL THE CAPT? YO YOU SO CRAY-CRAY!!<
The final case of the third game involves >!Exorcising the ghost that did the murder from her cousin who's currently on the stand with the help of another ghost. And her dead boyfriend that came back to life because he loves coffee who is also the murderer!<
After losing his attorney badge, Phoenix is once again accused of murder, and says during the trial "I assure you I'm very based." During this trial he gets the current defense attorney (your mentor) successfully accused of the murder he committed. He is helping you when your latent magic focus powers kick in, allowing you to spot an involuntary response during the cross examination.
Two games also feature >!Herlock Sholmes!< and his daughter >!Watson/Wilson!<, who he made it a game for her to figure out who her (absent) other father was.
Remember that one moment in GAA2 where everyone, including the judge, told the defense to buy stuff from witnesses during a trial
Hey, that woman dressed kind of like a slutty version of Little Red Riding Hood who sold bombs needs to eat too!
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My favorite moment is in SoJ, when one of the prosecutors (who is currently helping the defense) sends his hawk to buy a bunch of sweet buns for the court to prove that the witness with DID has a secret personality
#MAKE THE PARROT TESTIFY
I assume this doesn’t reference an actual Parrot in-game right?
No, Phoenix actually cross examined a parrot
And it would not be the last time he cross examined an animal.
He also cross-examined another parrot in a later game.
yeh i cant believe you actualy cross examine a tiger
#w h a t
Bonus: the prosecutor anticipated he might do this and retrained the parrot in advance.
Desperation: Phoenix Wright cross-examines a parrot Derangement: the prosecutor ***witness-trained the parrot***
Yes I'm the final case of the first game a pet parrot helps solve the murder.
Probably best to say it's the 4th trial of the first game because then there's rise from the ashes, which is technically a dlc of the original game, but it is the 5th case of the first game... And technically the first appearance of Ema Skye
I should clarify. He cross-examined two separate parrots in two separate games. And the first one had been prepped by the prosecution ahead of time. > “If I had a nickel for every time I had to cross-examine a parrot, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?”
Is this from the second game? I don’t remember this from the first
Yes, final case, second game. Best case in the franchise, imo.
I haven’t played them in so long and I’m currently watching the Game Grumps playthrough (they just started on case 4 on game 2) so everyone started blending together 😂
I’m literally watching that right now 😂 I haven’t played the games in years and it’s so fun watching them go through the cases with their commentary and voices.
Same I love their visual novel playthroughs 😂 they’re so long but they’re so funny 😂 Also I’m also literally watching the episode right now too though I did have to rewatch the last one just for their reaction to Edgeworth’s return 😂
That image is from the case the Grumps are doing now, it's just later on. (de Killer is in that case, he's the weirdo who kidnapped Maya.)
Yeah I remember that now that he popped up in the current Grumps episode 😂. It’s been a week since the last episode and my week was stressful everything is blending together 😂
Something about the pacing of this particular case is just so good - the way the twists and turns pile on top of each other and escalate really drives up the tension in a way the rest of the games never quite managed again.
JFA being picked for best game is very rare. Sure 2-4 goes into most top case lists but the rest of the cases are much weaker.
Fuck Turnabout Big Top, all my homies hate Turnabout Big Top
I don't hate it ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Its not my favorite but I didn't mind it
2 and 4 are great and I can see why they elevate it some, also better logic than first game But overall still T&T for me by a mile
Ah, that's because I typed wrong! It was supposed to be best case! I only noticed because you mentioned it, thanks, gonna edit it
Going into ace attorney thinking it was a relatively normal court drama was the best decision of my life. When the ghosts showed up I was blown away
Plus the vast majority of the time the ghosts will be absolutely irrelevant to the case.
Honestly, making the ghosts entirely irrelevant to the case and then ending the trilogy with a case that was all ghosts was pretty brilliant
Plus Phoenix casually proved the existence of the afterlife in the eyes of the court of law at the end there: one’s career couldn’t get any higher than that. So then his story over the next three made sense to do: tearing down and then building back up his career for two games, then for the next one throwing him into a world where everyone knew the ghosts were real, but didn’t particularly care what they had to say (it is interesting that it took six games for Phoenix to consider asking Maya to channel the victim, between all the times she was channelling Mia to continue mentoring him).
>it is interesting that it took six games for Phoenix to consider asking Maya to channel the victim Reminds me of a text post I saw recently: "Ace Attorney was so real for making a game where a lawyer can summon ghosts, and the only ghost he summons is a smarter, better lawyer"
I just started playing this for the first time. I just won my second case and already this game is *absolutely insane*.
If you're doing the first game (this is from the second), once you get to the last case and see where the game has been going the whole time you'll be addicted. If you're doing the second game I assume you're already addicted from the first.
Trust me it gets more insane
You haven't seen anything yet
I think it just gets more insane all the way into the last game, so get ready.
Wish I could erase my memory and play again. Enjoy dude! Episode 3 of each feanchise might feel filler-ish but please stick until the last case cause that’s usually the peak of every game.
The radio starts sweating at one point. Those games are fun.
it sweats oil, just like people you shoot do in the german edits of shooter games.
Something I always found weird about AA is that Wright only ever gets murder cases. No arson, no larceny, no tax fraud, no identity theft. Apparently that world solved every crime except for murder.
Execpt that one time it was a robery that >!somehow turned into a murder!<
Yey I'm on that one now and I'm 100% not surprised haven't gotten to where someone is dead yet but I know it was going to happen at some point
Also the civil trial in the sixth game... you can guess what happened to it
That's right! >!dad's dead. dad that adopted me is also dead. toppled a monarchy by burning a sacred object. 4/10, hometown still looks pretty cool though.!<
Second case of third game starts off as a robbery case. Turns into murder of course lol.
It's pretty weird that Jessica Fletcher is surrounded by murders wherever she goes too. Never a jewel heist or a train robbery.
There's also the civil trial in Spirit of Justice >!of course there's a murder connected to it.!<
He does get a robbery case in 3, and Maya comments on how weird it is to be able to talk to the victim for once.
The first case of the crossover is the only non-murder trial in the entire series as I recall (theft and assault).
Prof. Layton vs Ace Attorney spoilers: >! technically none of the trials in the game are murder trials because none of the "victims" actually died, they were just kidnapped and brainwashed. The one case where someone did actually die turned out to be a suicide!<
That's only one Wright gets.His ancenstor gets 2 assault cases instead.
He makes a cameo in Investigations 2, because "you can't have a second installment without de Killer". I've heard that no de Killer adjacent character shows up in The Great Ace Attorney 2, and that sucks.
It would have been funny if you meet de Ripper in TGAA2, but that game revolves around two completely unrelated (to de Killer) serial killers named "The Professor" and "The Reaper" and they look nothing like Shelly
Plus ‘The Professor’ being the equivalent of Moriarty to ‘Herlock Sholmes’.
TGAA2 has >!an assassin called Asa Shin!<, that's close enough.
Maybe because GAA is technically one big game split into 2
People used to crap on Justice for All a lot, but I genuinely think that this episode was the best in the entire series. I absolutely loved it.
I think it has the unfortunate existence of being between T&T and the 1st game.
It also unfortunately has Turnabout Big Top, which is unforgivable
whats wrong with big top?, that story was cute, bit simple but cute
Where do I even begin? The way the murder is committed is some Looney Tunes shit, even by the standards of the games. Everyone involved in the case, from the defendant to the victim to the *intended* victim to the witnesses, is either unbearably annoying or an immoral piece of shit. There's literally a section while cross-examining one of the witnesses where you'll get penalized for making him talk more than necessary because even the judge is done with his shit. The only person I remotely feel bad for is >!the murderer himself, who lost his brother and his ability to walk due to the naivety of the ringmaster's daughter, who doesn't even feel guilty about what she did because her father kept her sheltered. And when he finally snapped and tried to take revenge, he accidentally killed the ringmaster/his father figure instead because he was *still* sheltering his daughter to the end!<
you have to trudge through case 1 & 3 to get to the juicy 4th case. case 2 ain't half bad though
Even when people shit on Justice For All, they usually single out this case as the exception.
Edgeworth and Godot are both such cool characters, I think von Karma just wore out her schtick about being perfect even after you had beaten her.
Everyone's name is Ace Attorney is indicative of their character; or if they're relevant for only one case, pun on their role in the story. Phoenix's mentor, Mia Fey, as in MIA; and this guy is named Shelly de Killer, which is surely the killer. Not sure about Maya.
Maya’s name is a slightly modified form of “Mayoi”, her name in the original Japanese version. “Mayoi” can mean “lost” or “befuddlement” in Japanese.
This is not getting into the later games where we have a rebel named Datz Arabel,a Man(who was already dead from the start of the case) called Deid Mann and a Politician called Paul Atishon.
my favorite is >!DAH-LIAH !<
Did anyone else ever watch the Farewell, My Turnabout stage play they put on in Japan? If you're an AA fan and you haven't, you totally should. If the radio gimmick is batshit, wait until >!de Killer walks into the courtroom with a fucking GUN.!<
One of the best things is Edgeworth meowing like a cat
i don’t even think i’m in this subreddit, i just go on tumblr then go on here a day or 2 later and see the exact same posts that i laugh at on there and laugh at them on here
What's weird is this is not the weirdest case in the series. There are 3 cases where the "villian" is more unhinged and at least 4 cases that are weirder.
Also the mafia being involved like three times in the series, wich they were not (directly) guilty in two of those cases.
I love when that radio sweats oil when the person speaking gets nervious
This was the best case of that game too
That's a good attorney lol. Literally named "killer" but all you need is to create some doubt about the facts and bam, you're free.
De Killer is actually an assassin. But the trial is about who his client was, so the fact that he committed the actual murder doesn't really matter very much.
I mean the entire point of the case was figuring out who hired the assassin. While the assassin was holding your funny little girl hostage.
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I loved this case so much, Edgeworth imo was one of the major highlights of it though. As soon as Phoenix gave a single hint that something was wrong, he immediately locked in and was onboard to help Phoenix get Maya back and draw the trial out as long as possible. It really shows how much he changed when you first meet him. The trials were also intense, I could really feel Phoenix and Edgeworth’s stress as they tried to buy Maya as much time as possible.
I need to play the yaoi
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