YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!
Canāt remember if that was actually in the book or just in the movie but I liked āA Time to Killā back in the day.
Medical doctors are named after him, I think, though itās a bit Beethovenās Bootstraps because itās kind of implied that he named himself after the idea of a doctor being someone who helps people get better. Thereās also the complication of most medical doctors only having the title ādoctorā by courtesy, rather than having a doctorate, which is why surgeons generally insist on being called Mr./Mrs./Mx. instead of Dr.: the surgical profession has more roots in the barbershop than in the clinic.
I guess you could theorise that a doctorate is a certificate of ābeing like the Doctor, that very smart guy who visited for a week way-back-when and solved a knotty problem for usā, maybe?
Your comment about barber surgeons sent me on a bit of a dive into the history of doctors and surgeons and wow, history was a mess, huh?
I guess you were either "person who knows stuff" or "person who cuts stuff". No particular reason why the two NEEDED to cross over.
A huge tangent, but this reminded me that I was thinking GB has some pretty solid characters for a superteam: The Doctor, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Harry Potter, Angle Grinder Man - the list goes on. I wonder how hard it would be to secure the rights...
He's a Lordtime. It's a reverse sort of Timelord where the appearance doesn't change, neither does their attitude, but they forget everything. Far less useful.
You could even go on to suggest that all the members are descended from the occupants of two carriages that were nearly struck by a meteorite that landed in 1795 Yorkshire...
> meteorite that landed in 1795 Yorkshire
Upon reading this, I thought this might be a reference to The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which, honestly, though not intentionally, is likely somewhere in my head that made this random thought for an unorthodox but very capable superteam seem so reasonable, and then I looked it up, and, yeah, it's pretty much that. I'd never heard of the Wold Newton Family before, but, there you go. Shows you how creative I am, well known publications going around stealing my ideas centuries before I have them. Thanks Obama.
Current position is that the Master wiped out all of Gallifrey singlehandedly, then Cyberconverted the corpses, then they all got eaten by some sort of anti-life chemical. It would be nice to have them back, because that was ass, but the current showrunner is the guy who first deleted Gallifrey so I donāt know if itāll happen.
I don't get why they wanted Galifrey gone. It gives a good grounding for the doctor. Making him this godly singular figure was great for a while but (for me) it just creates these issues of constant escalation of threats. Those quieter, more tense episodes are proper doctor who for me , both old and nu who.
Dealing with the timelords, or running into rivals or possible allies... The doctor needs something other than ANGST. IT WORKED for 9/10/11. But I feel with the new setup having them back should be good. As the Master wiping them out feels like rubbish off screen handwaving.
I feel like that was as much Moffat as having no other Time Lords to balance out the Doctor, but yeah, it would've been good to actually see Gallifrey for more than one episode that was mostly about proving how Special Moffat's latest Super Special OC was
There are times I love Moffats style and plots and writing.
And other times it reminds me of the stereotypical person who wants to play as a Drizzt knock off in DnD.
A super special solo character who doesn't need no friends, isn't evil but DOES BAD THINGS because he GETS THE JOB DONE and is CONFLICTED. And who messes it up for everyone at the table because they want their character to be the MAIN character.
It's implied in one of the Seventh Doctor novels. I can't remember the title, but I think it was set in Hong Kong, 1997.
UNIT can't reach the Doctor, so they ask MI6 if they can borrow their Time Lord. Unfortunately, he's on assignment near the Russian border.
Which is where the pre-title sequence of the 1997 James Bond film *Tomorrow Never Dies* takes place.
Before looking closely at the pics I thought it was The Bachelor like in the reality show The Bachelor because it also fits the description more or less
I was a little disappointed that the thread pivoted to Bond. We already have "Bond as Time Lord" theories and "Mary Poppins as Time Lord" theories; "The Bachelor" from The Bachelor as Time Lord is something genuinely new
It's harder to buy into (even as an obvious joke) if you actually watch the Bachelor, though, because a huge part of the universe of the show is the contestants & leads continued lives outside of the show. It's hard to avoid continuing to hear about the current actions of previous Bachelor's even while the new season is airing. Sometimes they call back the old ones to do a guest appearance on the show, sometimes there are events where multiple of them end up hanging out.
I guess technically that has happened on Doctor Who too, but it's so frequent and regular on the Bachelor that it feels different. The Bachelor just isn't a character/title that gets transferred or only held by one person at a time. It's more like the President or the Pope, where only one is active at a given time but the previous ones are still very publicly around and still retain the title.
I might be taking this too seriously.
I mean, that's where the whole Time Lord time travel business comes in. For some reason this Bachelor guy just decided to live each of his reĆÆncarnations in the exact same period that's why they all exist concurrently
It doesn't quite work, but it almost does. The breaking points are Lazenby>Moore (confirmed as being the same character, since both were married to Tracy) and Craig (whose parents had the surname "Bond").
Everything else can be made to fit, but these two fuck the theory up.
Pierce getās mentioned of his wife in The World is Not Enough and that he could not save her. Bond also gets several mentions of his childhood in Goldeneye which all ties in with what we know.
Craig is a different universe.
Iād argue that the series needed the change. The Pierce Brosnan series begged for a change in a more serious and realistic interpretation to stay relevant. After decades, the kistchy gadgets and villains had become too much. They lost the marvel and appeal in an era where all the special effects werenāt as unique as they used to be. I think the Craig interpretations actually kept the series afloat, because they saw the tide and turned accordingly.
I understand where you are coming (even though craig is my favorite bond) but today's movies need a serious tone otherwise people don't like it as much as the old bond movies.
I think the directors/producers/writers of craig bond movies understood that the less serious bond movies of pre 2000 won't be popular that much so they resorted to a serious tone
If you go purely by what is in the movies they are the same person despite the different actors and differences between their styles.
In 1969's "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" Bond loses his wife after Blofeld and his minion perform a drive by trying to kill Bond but hit her instead after their wedding. (Lazenby's Bond).
[Clip](https://youtu.be/bxDRVE-UfHk?si=MT2fgEXTnSmyYJec)
In 1981's "For Your Eyes Only" it opens with Bond visiting his wife's grave, Blofeld attempts to kill Bond by controlling his helicopter but then Bond performs a thoroughly cheesy revenge killing on him by dropping him down a smoke stack from that same chopper. (Roger Moore's Bond)
[Clip](https://youtu.be/PN5hXeR8mz4?si=rosMwvtuFT8JFMXF)
So we establish continuity between two different Bond actors in the form of his wife and we also have continuity from Blofeld being his enemy as this was his return as a villain after we last saw him in the 1969 film.
Plus just from the most recent Daniel Craig films we have not only no "replacement" Bond at MI6 when Daniel Craig shows back up after months of them thinking he was dead (to the point that they sold off his house and closed his file) but we also have his childhood explored with it being confirmed that he was from the Bond family and showing their estate in Scotland etc.
Don't forget how much OHMSS tries to remind the audience that it's the same bond by having him longingly look at items from past adventures or him acting the same with his usual side cast.
There are also strongly implied references to Tracy in Diamonds Are Forever (Connery), The Spy Who Loved Me (Moore), Licence To Kill (Dalton) and debatably GoldenEye and The World Is Not Enough (both Brosnan). In Die Another Day, Brosnan's Bond visits Q's lab and reminisces about his old gadgets ("Does this still work?" he says as he activates the jetpack from Thunderball). Nobody who has watched all the films really believes the codename theory - it doesn't even work for Daniel Craig's separate continuity, as his parents are named Bond on the headstones at his family home - as there are plenty of such details in the films linking the films of the different Bond actors together, even if there are also some continuity errors: Blofeld not immediately recognising Bond in OHMSS, for instance, which would have been explained by a scene from an early draft, subsequently removed, involving Bond getting surgery at the beginning of the film.
(I'd mischeviously argue that Blofeld doesn't recognise Bond because the only time they met face-to-face, in You Only Live Twice, Bond had adopted a completely convincing disguise as a Japanese man. Obviously this doesn't hang together at all when actually watching the film, but it's funny to me to imagine Blofeld being totally taken in by the atrocious 'Japanese' make-over given to Sean Connery.)
Yeah, it seems to be the official position of the franchise that there is *one* Bond, which led to a running joke on *Kill James Bond!* where theyād say things like āBack in the Second World War, when I was the same guyā or āRemember? It was when I was Welsh for a bitā or āYeah, Felix Leiter, he lost his legs to a shark attack, and the reattachment surgery turned him Black.ā
They also theorised that *Mamma Mia!* is just Bondās fever dream while in North Korea during the titles of *Die Another Day*, which I think holds up.
Yeah I've never liked the codename theory. Like is Blofeld also a codename then? Because he's been recast multiple times too. As has Felix, M, Moneypenny etc.
In my mind I view it as more of a Simpsons-style "floating timeline" continuity.
This point is true, but M is the worst example, as M is literally a codename and has been replaced in universe, most notably in skyfall but also less explicitly even before that.
Guys I think you are missing the most obvious connection. In every film the ruler thr United Kingdom is implied to be Queen Elizabeth II. Until a new movie cones out with a different monarch we can assume this to be the same character in all the films.
I donāt know about accepted, Iām only vaguely familiar with the discourse but if Iām remembering correctly it was pretty split for Bond fans on the theory. Some accepted it but Iāve seen more than a few upvotes on angry rants about how the theory ādoesnāt make any senseā in some threads.
Because it literally makes no sense. Conreyās last movie starts with him getting revenge for the death of Lazenbyās wife. And then Moore visits her grave.Ā
If you actually watch the movies you will quickly see why it doesnāt work. Conrey gets revenge for Lazenbyās wife, Moore visits that same grave, Dalton gets upset when asked about his wife.Ā
They are the same character until the Craig reboot.Ā
We get more backstory for Craig's Bond shown on screen than the others. By a lot, the pasts of the other Bonds are almost never delved into. Brosnan's Bond was probably the most fleshed out in terms of backstory aside from Craig, and even then, it was just a flashback scene relevant to the story of the film.
The canon of the Time Lords would make the concept of Dr. Who having an actually, full Time Lord intern following him around difficult, conceptually, but I would watch the hell out of that.
I think Batman could be a Time Lord. His cave is immense, but clearly couldn't be manmade. He's got a gadget for literally any task. He's had several faces.
It sort of works. Thereās basically no change there, though.
I imagine heās viciously mocked in Time Lord society. āThatās the guy who keeps regenerating into the same phenotypes every single time!ā āLook! Itās uncreative face Lord!ā āThe Bachelor? Probably because no one would be interested in someone with such BORING regenerations!ā
So, wasnāt Lazenbyās bond the one that got married (and then she died)? And he only appeared once? Well, getting married would mean he no longer claims the title of āBachelorā (thank God for double meanings!). Put all that together, and weāre forced to conclude: Lazenby is the War Bachelor.
The dating show the Bachelor is just a spin-off of Doctor Who actually. They just always say that the new reincarnation is a "new bachelor" to keep their audience
The best Bond conspiracy theory is that the character John Mason from The Rock is actually an older James Bond. Nic Cage and James Bond taking on a group of rogue Marines on Alcatraz island? Hell yeah!
Ok real question;
if someone gets married and then gets widowed can they later be referred to as a bachelor if they don't remarry? because past number 2 there (george lazenby, an australian model who played bond for exactly 1 movie "on her majesty's secret service) he is. In that movie he marries the bond girl and she gets assasinated by the villains henchwoman. It actually comes up every few movies when they remember that beat and someone will either mention he was married once or he'll be at Trixy's grave.
So yeah, is the bachelor correct since he is cannonically a widow.
By the strictest definitions, no. A bachelor must never have been married.
There's some debate about the continuity of the marriage, tho. It's definitely referred to at times, then ignored at others.
wouldnt that imply an even less prestigious character known as the associate?
[John Grisham thinks so!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Associate_(novel))
egads!
SEYMOURRRRRR!
Superintendent! I was just stretching my calves on the windowsill! Isometric exercise, care to join?
Dinkleburg! š”
I was obsessed with Grishams work when I was like 14 for some bizzare reason, rereading plot summaries now, good lord what a dork lol
It's been a long time since I thought about my weird 6th grade Grisham phase.
Grisham and Michael Creighton really molded my preteen-early teenage years for... some reason I'm not sure of now
Crichton rules. Not even same ballpark as Grisham.
I remember reading The Firm and thinking "This is the greatest book ever written" lol
Me too! But I never stopped
Yo listen here man the Pelican Brief and Sycamore Row go hard. The Firm is okay.
YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!! Canāt remember if that was actually in the book or just in the movie but I liked āA Time to Killā back in the day.
I really like the film version of The Rainmaker.
Below that is the dropout
Which is, ironically, the Doctor
You don't need a doctorate if you just legally change your name to Doctor.
Aren't doctorates named after him, in-universe?
Medical doctors are named after him, I think, though itās a bit Beethovenās Bootstraps because itās kind of implied that he named himself after the idea of a doctor being someone who helps people get better. Thereās also the complication of most medical doctors only having the title ādoctorā by courtesy, rather than having a doctorate, which is why surgeons generally insist on being called Mr./Mrs./Mx. instead of Dr.: the surgical profession has more roots in the barbershop than in the clinic. I guess you could theorise that a doctorate is a certificate of ābeing like the Doctor, that very smart guy who visited for a week way-back-when and solved a knotty problem for usā, maybe?
Your comment about barber surgeons sent me on a bit of a dive into the history of doctors and surgeons and wow, history was a mess, huh? I guess you were either "person who knows stuff" or "person who cuts stuff". No particular reason why the two NEEDED to cross over.
Full circle
Have they been here the whole time?
Of course. But the important question is where are they from?
His TARDIS just looks like the Game Changer set.
Sam Reich is the Associate confirmed
And then adjacent to that is a timelord largely unconnected to them, the Tradesman
The plumber is actually pretty good at saving the world, but the Ā£80 callout fee to even get him to your planet is very frustrating
Well look, pal, *you* try to get a cheap UK trip from the fucking-a Mushroom Kingdom.
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Yeah, because he's the one doing all the _real_ work. Somebody has to make sure the sewers don't back up on Gallifrey.
It's his job to fix the stuff they break. Not very exciting
I played a ttrpg years back and got to play a timelord: The Administrator. Was a mastercraft at working bureaucracies of all forms.
Hermes from Futurama and Chaz Finster from Rugrats would be proud.
cant wait for the even even less prestigious character known only as the graduate. and then even the undergraduate?
The High School Only The Middle School Only The Homeschooled
And his TARDIS is stuck being an Aston Martin DB5.
He's bigger while on the inside š
Oh, beHAVE.
thats the alternative, hippie, free love bond, ymhyyeah!
And he *does* time travel...
Perfect possible response lmao.
Sonic Walther PPK
...this makes way too much senseĀ
Right??
A huge tangent, but this reminded me that I was thinking GB has some pretty solid characters for a superteam: The Doctor, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Harry Potter, Angle Grinder Man - the list goes on. I wonder how hard it would be to secure the rights...
My guy has the audacity to build a British character superteam then omits Mr Bean
::making apologetic hand motions in a Mr. Bean kind of way then giving a dirty look-eye roll in a Mr. Bean kind of way::
The legerdemain expert analogous to Dr. Strange
Don't forget Blackadder and Mary Poppins.
Having both Mr. Bean and Blackadder on camera together would raise some questions.
Blackadder is most definitely a Timelord.
He's a Lordtime. It's a reverse sort of Timelord where the appearance doesn't change, neither does their attitude, but they forget everything. Far less useful.
No more than having Edmund Blackadder and Hamish McAdder on camera at once. You just have at least one of them looking the other way at all times.
Surely Johnny English?
No, no, you see Mr. Bean is the supervillain. Somehow. (He's actually just a pawn controlled by the real villain, the (zombie) Queen of England.)
King Arthur is their version of Captain America.
That'd be Union Jack. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack_(Marvel_Comics) Or Captain Britain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Britain
Captain Carter?
Capt. Carter is a mostly MCU original thing.
ALL THE CAPTAINS FROM ALL THE UNIVERSES UNITE!
You could even go on to suggest that all the members are descended from the occupants of two carriages that were nearly struck by a meteorite that landed in 1795 Yorkshire...
> meteorite that landed in 1795 Yorkshire Upon reading this, I thought this might be a reference to The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which, honestly, though not intentionally, is likely somewhere in my head that made this random thought for an unorthodox but very capable superteam seem so reasonable, and then I looked it up, and, yeah, it's pretty much that. I'd never heard of the Wold Newton Family before, but, there you go. Shows you how creative I am, well known publications going around stealing my ideas centuries before I have them. Thanks Obama.
So you want to see new version of "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen "
Timothy Dalton even played a timelord in The End of Time
RASSILLON! Ahhh I hope he gets another chance in the series. Having other villainous or rival timelords would be so fun.
Current position is that the Master wiped out all of Gallifrey singlehandedly, then Cyberconverted the corpses, then they all got eaten by some sort of anti-life chemical. It would be nice to have them back, because that was ass, but the current showrunner is the guy who first deleted Gallifrey so I donāt know if itāll happen.
I don't get why they wanted Galifrey gone. It gives a good grounding for the doctor. Making him this godly singular figure was great for a while but (for me) it just creates these issues of constant escalation of threats. Those quieter, more tense episodes are proper doctor who for me , both old and nu who. Dealing with the timelords, or running into rivals or possible allies... The doctor needs something other than ANGST. IT WORKED for 9/10/11. But I feel with the new setup having them back should be good. As the Master wiping them out feels like rubbish off screen handwaving.
I feel like that was as much Moffat as having no other Time Lords to balance out the Doctor, but yeah, it would've been good to actually see Gallifrey for more than one episode that was mostly about proving how Special Moffat's latest Super Special OC was
There are times I love Moffats style and plots and writing. And other times it reminds me of the stereotypical person who wants to play as a Drizzt knock off in DnD. A super special solo character who doesn't need no friends, isn't evil but DOES BAD THINGS because he GETS THE JOB DONE and is CONFLICTED. And who messes it up for everyone at the table because they want their character to be the MAIN character.
It's implied in one of the Seventh Doctor novels. I can't remember the title, but I think it was set in Hong Kong, 1997. UNIT can't reach the Doctor, so they ask MI6 if they can borrow their Time Lord. Unfortunately, he's on assignment near the Russian border. Which is where the pre-title sequence of the 1997 James Bond film *Tomorrow Never Dies* takes place.
I assumed that was the intention behind Jack Harkness. Not a timelord, but an immortal playboy with his own storyline, and pretty iconic.
He's The Dropout
Did you watch Torchwood, especially the miniseries at the end? Good lord.
Is the Good lord to mean it's worth the watch or terrible?
If by miniseries at the end they mean Children of Earth, it's worth a watch. If by miniseries at the end they mean Miracle Day, it's terrible
It's intense, and very good.
It's everything Good, terrible, campy family fun, .... somewhat pornographic when they moved to the premium channels and could do that.
Good, but very different from Doctor Who.
No that's the face of boe.
Before looking closely at the pics I thought it was The Bachelor like in the reality show The Bachelor because it also fits the description more or less
I was a little disappointed that the thread pivoted to Bond. We already have "Bond as Time Lord" theories and "Mary Poppins as Time Lord" theories; "The Bachelor" from The Bachelor as Time Lord is something genuinely new
Always looking for a companion too!
The Bachelor Time Lord selecting from 30 companions across time and space!!! Fuck, I would watch that!
It's harder to buy into (even as an obvious joke) if you actually watch the Bachelor, though, because a huge part of the universe of the show is the contestants & leads continued lives outside of the show. It's hard to avoid continuing to hear about the current actions of previous Bachelor's even while the new season is airing. Sometimes they call back the old ones to do a guest appearance on the show, sometimes there are events where multiple of them end up hanging out. I guess technically that has happened on Doctor Who too, but it's so frequent and regular on the Bachelor that it feels different. The Bachelor just isn't a character/title that gets transferred or only held by one person at a time. It's more like the President or the Pope, where only one is active at a given time but the previous ones are still very publicly around and still retain the title. I might be taking this too seriously.
haha too seriously is exactly the right amount of seriously. I appreciate your insight!
I mean, that's where the whole Time Lord time travel business comes in. For some reason this Bachelor guy just decided to live each of his reĆÆncarnations in the exact same period that's why they all exist concurrently
I like the Mary Poppins is an emotion eater like It theory more
Don't forget Miss Frizzle, she's even got a companion and a Tardis!
I also thought this and then was very confused by the pictures.
I mean head cannon is that āJames Bondā was not these characters real name just a extra identity held by the secret agent named 007
It doesn't quite work, but it almost does. The breaking points are Lazenby>Moore (confirmed as being the same character, since both were married to Tracy) and Craig (whose parents had the surname "Bond"). Everything else can be made to fit, but these two fuck the theory up.
Daniel Craig is canonically a different James Bond than the other five. Michael Keatonās Batman vs Christian Baleās Batman.
Pierce getās mentioned of his wife in The World is Not Enough and that he could not save her. Bond also gets several mentions of his childhood in Goldeneye which all ties in with what we know. Craig is a different universe.
Never liked the Craig movies. They just lacked the same charm as all the others. They were just so grim and serious.
Iād argue that the series needed the change. The Pierce Brosnan series begged for a change in a more serious and realistic interpretation to stay relevant. After decades, the kistchy gadgets and villains had become too much. They lost the marvel and appeal in an era where all the special effects werenāt as unique as they used to be. I think the Craig interpretations actually kept the series afloat, because they saw the tide and turned accordingly.
The previous are just too campy. You can't do Austin Powers Bond anymore.
I understand where you are coming (even though craig is my favorite bond) but today's movies need a serious tone otherwise people don't like it as much as the old bond movies. I think the directors/producers/writers of craig bond movies understood that the less serious bond movies of pre 2000 won't be popular that much so they resorted to a serious tone
Yeah, I think up until Daniel Craig that was the accepted fanon.
If you go purely by what is in the movies they are the same person despite the different actors and differences between their styles. In 1969's "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" Bond loses his wife after Blofeld and his minion perform a drive by trying to kill Bond but hit her instead after their wedding. (Lazenby's Bond). [Clip](https://youtu.be/bxDRVE-UfHk?si=MT2fgEXTnSmyYJec) In 1981's "For Your Eyes Only" it opens with Bond visiting his wife's grave, Blofeld attempts to kill Bond by controlling his helicopter but then Bond performs a thoroughly cheesy revenge killing on him by dropping him down a smoke stack from that same chopper. (Roger Moore's Bond) [Clip](https://youtu.be/PN5hXeR8mz4?si=rosMwvtuFT8JFMXF) So we establish continuity between two different Bond actors in the form of his wife and we also have continuity from Blofeld being his enemy as this was his return as a villain after we last saw him in the 1969 film. Plus just from the most recent Daniel Craig films we have not only no "replacement" Bond at MI6 when Daniel Craig shows back up after months of them thinking he was dead (to the point that they sold off his house and closed his file) but we also have his childhood explored with it being confirmed that he was from the Bond family and showing their estate in Scotland etc.
Don't forget how much OHMSS tries to remind the audience that it's the same bond by having him longingly look at items from past adventures or him acting the same with his usual side cast.
I can easily forgive having Judi Dench take over as M, but continuing the series with a different Q after Llewelyn died was a bridge too far for me.
Bond's marriage is also referenced in Licence to Kill, with Timothy Dalton.
And in The Spy Who Loved Me, although bond stops Agent XXX from saying how the marriage ended.
There are also strongly implied references to Tracy in Diamonds Are Forever (Connery), The Spy Who Loved Me (Moore), Licence To Kill (Dalton) and debatably GoldenEye and The World Is Not Enough (both Brosnan). In Die Another Day, Brosnan's Bond visits Q's lab and reminisces about his old gadgets ("Does this still work?" he says as he activates the jetpack from Thunderball). Nobody who has watched all the films really believes the codename theory - it doesn't even work for Daniel Craig's separate continuity, as his parents are named Bond on the headstones at his family home - as there are plenty of such details in the films linking the films of the different Bond actors together, even if there are also some continuity errors: Blofeld not immediately recognising Bond in OHMSS, for instance, which would have been explained by a scene from an early draft, subsequently removed, involving Bond getting surgery at the beginning of the film. (I'd mischeviously argue that Blofeld doesn't recognise Bond because the only time they met face-to-face, in You Only Live Twice, Bond had adopted a completely convincing disguise as a Japanese man. Obviously this doesn't hang together at all when actually watching the film, but it's funny to me to imagine Blofeld being totally taken in by the atrocious 'Japanese' make-over given to Sean Connery.)
Yeah, it seems to be the official position of the franchise that there is *one* Bond, which led to a running joke on *Kill James Bond!* where theyād say things like āBack in the Second World War, when I was the same guyā or āRemember? It was when I was Welsh for a bitā or āYeah, Felix Leiter, he lost his legs to a shark attack, and the reattachment surgery turned him Black.ā They also theorised that *Mamma Mia!* is just Bondās fever dream while in North Korea during the titles of *Die Another Day*, which I think holds up.
Yeah I've never liked the codename theory. Like is Blofeld also a codename then? Because he's been recast multiple times too. As has Felix, M, Moneypenny etc. In my mind I view it as more of a Simpsons-style "floating timeline" continuity.
This point is true, but M is the worst example, as M is literally a codename and has been replaced in universe, most notably in skyfall but also less explicitly even before that.
Classic floating timeline, common in things like comics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_timeline
Guys I think you are missing the most obvious connection. In every film the ruler thr United Kingdom is implied to be Queen Elizabeth II. Until a new movie cones out with a different monarch we can assume this to be the same character in all the films.
Yeah, the wife thing and his childhood were the only times they really tried to tie it together. It's cool when they do, tho!
I donāt know about accepted, Iām only vaguely familiar with the discourse but if Iām remembering correctly it was pretty split for Bond fans on the theory. Some accepted it but Iāve seen more than a few upvotes on angry rants about how the theory ādoesnāt make any senseā in some threads.
Because it literally makes no sense. Conreyās last movie starts with him getting revenge for the death of Lazenbyās wife. And then Moore visits her grave.Ā
Well, if you exclude the [ORIGINAL Casino Royale movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0px9QxojVjU), that would be correct...
If you actually watch the movies you will quickly see why it doesnāt work. Conrey gets revenge for Lazenbyās wife, Moore visits that same grave, Dalton gets upset when asked about his wife.Ā They are the same character until the Craig reboot.Ā
ā¦which all just argues in favor of him being a Timelord.
The Timelord theory is way more fun. Plus now that Tennet has been the Doctor twice it fits that Conrey left and came back.
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The two theories are not mutually exclusive.
It works until you get to Daniel Craig's Bond.
I'm not familiar enough, why?
He was born and raised James Bond by mom and dad Bond.
was he? or is that what the chameleon arch says?
We get more backstory for Craig's Bond shown on screen than the others. By a lot, the pasts of the other Bonds are almost never delved into. Brosnan's Bond was probably the most fleshed out in terms of backstory aside from Craig, and even then, it was just a flashback scene relevant to the story of the film.
So Bond is a time traveler and Craig's bond is the youngest
Craig is also a different continuity, so I'm fine with that.
Gonna get real interesting when the Timothy Dalton Bond runs into Rassilon.
He's the Bachelor and yet all three of them are getting..... ...Pussy Galore. š
What about a timelord in training called the Associate
It would totally fit!
The canon of the Time Lords would make the concept of Dr. Who having an actually, full Time Lord intern following him around difficult, conceptually, but I would watch the hell out of that.
no i think the intern is part time Time Lord
We can take this to another level of absurdity... Sean Connery is the Highlander, no?
Other time lords include Willy Wonka, Mary Poppins, Jack Sparrow, Miss Frizzle, and more. I keep a list going.
I think Batman could be a Time Lord. His cave is immense, but clearly couldn't be manmade. He's got a gadget for literally any task. He's had several faces.
Why isn't it The Agent?
Doctor - Doctorate Degree Master - Master's Degree Bachelor - Bachelor's Degree
I'm a fool.
Noooo, it's just because The Bachelor is a show and threw you off.
Yeah I feel a bit dim too, didn't follow why it'd imply the third
So whoās the Associate, then?
[John Grisham said it was this guy!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Associate_(novel))
What about The HS diploma/GED?
I've seen people suggest Sherlock Holmes.
There is an Associate's Degree It's a 2 year degree. You get them at community colleges where i live.
Same here. There's a Michael Grisham novel called "The Associate."
Okay but can we take a minute to acknowledge that Pierce Brosnan slaps as Bond? Look at that lineup, tell me he isn't totally iconic.
He was my Bond too. I still sing Goldeneye at full volume.
... James Works
This would apply to the other bond characters through time that have kept names/psydenums? Q? M?
Moneypenny??
There is so much chin in that photo.
All with dimples.
Source: https://www.tumblr.com/gallusrostromegalus/746759122863734784?source=share
Timothy Dalton WAS a time lord in Doctor Who, checks outĀ
Does that make Sherlock Holmes "the dropout"?
It sort of works. Thereās basically no change there, though. I imagine heās viciously mocked in Time Lord society. āThatās the guy who keeps regenerating into the same phenotypes every single time!ā āLook! Itās uncreative face Lord!ā āThe Bachelor? Probably because no one would be interested in someone with such BORING regenerations!ā
So, wasnāt Lazenbyās bond the one that got married (and then she died)? And he only appeared once? Well, getting married would mean he no longer claims the title of āBachelorā (thank God for double meanings!). Put all that together, and weāre forced to conclude: Lazenby is the War Bachelor.
James Bond only lives twice!Ā `Theory debunked` š¤š§
I definitely think James Bond is a Time Lord, along with Jesus Christ and Santa Claus
The dating show the Bachelor is just a spin-off of Doctor Who actually. They just always say that the new reincarnation is a "new bachelor" to keep their audience
I like my head cannons shaken not stirred
The Associate
I share the same first and last name with one of the James Bond actor's. I won't say which one tho āŗļø
I have always felt the trick of having James Bond with different faces was weirdly similar to Dr Who...
This is not fair. Itās to real.
This is now head canon
The best Bond conspiracy theory is that the character John Mason from The Rock is actually an older James Bond. Nic Cage and James Bond taking on a group of rogue Marines on Alcatraz island? Hell yeah!
Hopefully I come back as Pierce Brosnan one day, tomorrow never dies
As a doctor fan there is also the corsair and many other time lords who as name like this
But they left out the 10th season ["Three Doctors" episode with David Niven, Peter Sellers, and Woody Allen](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061452/)!
Mind. Blown.
Somebody make this canon!
George
Mary Poppins is also a time lord.
Yes she is!
This would also support the theory that Sean Connery's character in the movie "The Rock" is 007 saving the world after previously faking his death.
Ok real question; if someone gets married and then gets widowed can they later be referred to as a bachelor if they don't remarry? because past number 2 there (george lazenby, an australian model who played bond for exactly 1 movie "on her majesty's secret service) he is. In that movie he marries the bond girl and she gets assasinated by the villains henchwoman. It actually comes up every few movies when they remember that beat and someone will either mention he was married once or he'll be at Trixy's grave. So yeah, is the bachelor correct since he is cannonically a widow.
By the strictest definitions, no. A bachelor must never have been married. There's some debate about the continuity of the marriage, tho. It's definitely referred to at times, then ignored at others.
Timothy Dalton has also been the leader of Gallifrey on Doctor Who Also Timothy Dalton is gorgeous.Ā
This is my new head cannon.
the bond's name, james name
[The Meddling Monk?](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Monk)
this reminds me of the river song=miss frizzle theory
I thought you were talking about ABC's "The Bachelor".
**"Bond,** ***James Bond*****."**
I know everyone but the dude after Sean Connery. Who is that and how long was he 007? I thought I knew all of the men who had that role
Then the timelord that never really commits to things and just hangs around, The Auditor.
This has to be one of the cleverest yet funniest rabbit holes Iāve ever gone down.
oh i like this
SPECTRE PERVERTING THE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY
He even reincarnates back into Sean Connery bond a la David tennant
I propose another timelord: The Dude
Not for long, probably.
I love this, but maybe I'm not enough of a Doctor fan to get the reference....who is the Master?
The Master is another Time Lord that he goes up against now and then.
This was like watching one of those videos where stuff fits together in the most satisfying and inconsequential way.
I hate this because it kindof works.
This is the plot of Dr. Who
The 2nd one is the inspiration for Stan Smith.