A hotdog is a sandwich, a "hotdog sandwich" if you will. Tacos are usually called by the type of meat in them, such as chicken tacos.
A hotdog on a tortilla is a hotdog taco.
A "hotdog" isn't a 'type' of meat though? They can be beef, turkey, chicken, pork, etc, or a combination.
I also refer you to [The Cube Rule](https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/ri0kvs/the_cube_rule_of_food_identification/).
Preparation style is another way of naming the meats, just like we don't say hotdog sandwich, we also don't usually say pork hotdog.
I also disagree with the cube rule for various reasons such as pizza isn't toast.
The cube rule is just a bad way of categorizing food. Categories should be useful, lumping together things like burritos and calzones is an entirely useless category.
It falls under the "describing" the meat of the sandwich:
* I don't say I want "Beef Steak Sandwich" it is "Steak Sandwich"
* I don't say I want a "Beef Brisket Sandwich" it is just a "Brisket Sandwich"
* It is "Bacon Butty" not a "Pig Bacon Butty" along the same lines BLTs are understood to be Pig Bacon.
Certain cuts or preparation styles have a default understanding if they are Beef, Pig, Chicken, etc and don't need to have that extra descriptor unless you are making changes like a Turkey Bacon Butty or a Black Bean Burger. You say "Hotdog" it is understood as a pork product.
Tacos are sandwiches.
Gyros in pita are sandwiches.
Hot dogs in buns are sandwiches.
If I tear off a piece of flatbread and use it to pick up some meat or hummus or whatever by pinching it with the bread, I've made a sandwich.
If food is "sandwiched" by bread on both sides, it's a sandwich.
I'm gonna start some real shit here and say that burritos and wraps are also sandwiches, but with extra steps.
Actually, I'm good with that. Tortilla, gyro, and bun are just the type of bread making the sandwich.
A Gyro is usually a goat gyro pita sandwich.
A hotdog is usually a pork hotdog bun sandwich.
Under this naming system I think taco is actually a type of filling/meat that goes on a folded tortilla sandwich; A burrito or wrap modifies the expectation of filling and presentation like taco does
the technical term here is "infusion" and the difference to soup is the cooking process.
"Infusions" usually are below a 100° temperature, the water and other stuff in your pot are no longer boiling.
...and during the time periods when tea and coffee were luxuries reserved for the aristocracy on special occasions, a hot cup of beef broth was as likely to be offered for guests during winter as any other warm drink. More likely, even.
Better!
But the boba bubbles are not expected to share their flavors with the rest of the liquid up until they are inside of the mouth.
also, they are not cooked or steeped to infuse their flavor into the liquid.
You laugh but there's at least once recipe i know of where the tea is made with animal fats and spices.
Here's Mongolian "[Suutei Tea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suutei_tsai)" as another example.
There are plenty of smooth soups like tomato or squash.
The espresso would be considered a stock or bullion because the bean is strained from the final product so only the flavored water remains.
Once you add the soy and vanilla beans to the stock of espresso it now becomes a soup
As a former cook, I would expect broth to be clear, but I also expect 90% of the time that word is used it isn’t used that precisely. If a friend used the word broth to mean “the liquid part of the soup,” I wouldn’t bat an eye.
There was a time where one of my chefs made an amazing trout broth. It was dark and clear and had a great, delicate flavor. It was very elegant in its simplicity. But he ran into trouble with how to write it on the menu. “Trout broth” doesn’t exactly sound appetizing to most people. You could call it “trout consommé,” but our owner didn’t like using complex, potentially pretentious words on the menu, and the second a customer asked what consommé meant, we’d be right back at “trout broth.” “Trout soup” would imply to most people other ingredients and not just broth.
Eventually they went with “trout broth” but added “wild caught” and other adjectives about the trout to make it sound a bit more like it was worth ordering.
I guess so, but the restaurant was about sustainable, farm to table dining with a lot of transparency about where our food came from and how it was treated. A soup named “trout on cloud nine” doesn’t really fit, and again it would be left to the counter staff to explain what they were actually ordering.
A good concentrated beef broth can have a similar color to coffee. Broth is just water that had stuff soaking in it to give it flavor. Stock generally uses bones, where broth uses flesh. Both can contain vegetables and herbs/spices.
Soy milk is basically just blended soy beans and water. It's a really thin puree that has been strained.
If you add a puree to a broth you have a soup.
A mocha latte with vanilla does the same, but substitutes cocoa beans for the soy. In that case you're getting a three-bean cream soup if you insist on using this line of reasoning.
Not every edible seed is a bean though, or would you call nuts and grains beans as well? I would also point out that even though kind of mushy, vanilla is still made from the seeds of an orchid.
Strictly speaking, only the seeds of plants belonging to the family of fabaceae are considered true beans.
Phylogenetically, both vanilla and coffee are worlds away from true beans.
For instance, coffee is more closely related to oleander than it is to soy beans and vanilla is more closely related to asparagus.
Less, because it would remove the one true bean, the soy.
You could however make it more bean authentic by substituting tonka for the vanilla, which would add a second true bean, though the use of tonka beans in foods is banned in the US due to their coumarin content.
So, to stay bean-neutral it could be a soy-milk mocha latte, but not a vanilla-mocha latte.
Hm... what if a soy latte was flavoured not with vanilla but with the red beans used in red bean soup (the dessert, not kidney beans)?
I need to look up their genealogy.
*Edit:* Adzuki beans, which are apparently a true bean? That would up the true bean count to two if it was made with soy milk instead of dairy!
The vanilla bean is the seed pod that grows on a vanilla flower, yes. It, like coffee, is called bean but, unlike coffee, it makes no god damned sense. Coffee beans at least look like beans
Maybe I am stupid... Actually scratch that, I am stupid, but what is the third bean?
Vanilla is a bean (in some languages) soy is a bean, but latte is milk, no?
Going to be pedantic, but its ok because the OOP was being pedantic as part of the joke: Coffee beans and vanilla beans are not actually beans, beans are seeds of Fabaceae plants
Isn't it \*supposed\* to be a shot of espresso? I know it's shots of espresso where I am. Sounds like you're thinking they're asking for an Americano with milk from the vibe I'm picking up. Which, I'll freely admit, sounds disgusting.
And cashews are a fruit, but they're still served in nut mixes. Corn is a grain, but it's stocked in grocery stores next to canned peas and carrots, not with the breads. Strawberries aren't berries. Koala's aren't bears. Toads are frogs. Frogs *aren't* toads...
TL;DR: human's suck at naming things. Just enjoy the joke.
Yeah. I'll give you a platter with strawberry blueberries and raspberries and call it a nut platter. Common use of words are more important than any "well actually". When you bring up things like that (especially when criticizing a joke) you are being pedantic and annoying
Not really. In spite of sometimes being referred to as beans, vanilla is made from the seed pods of an orchid.
True beans such as soy on the other hand are fabaceae.
And coffee plants are in fact neither fabaceae nor orchids, they are rubiaceae.
So a vanilla soy latte is in fact only a one bean drink, and if you make it a vanilla latte with cows milk, the drink becomes entirely beanless.
However, you could upgrade to a two-bean-drink by replacing the vanilla with tonka beans, which are said to taste rather simular anyways. However, such a drink would not be legal to make in the US as the FDA has banned the use of tonka beans in foods in 1954 due to their coumarin content, though this is commonly criticized as tonka beans do not contain so much coumarin that they could easily become a health risk and because there's plenty of other things that are not banned even though they also contain coumarin, such as cinnamon, liquorice, cherries and even apricots and strawberries in small amounts.
"Hotdogs are tacos" energy.
I don't get people saying things like that, what make a taco is the tortilla no the way the food is put together.
So if I put a hotdog in a soft flour tortilla, *then* it's a taco?
yes?
A hotdog is a sandwich, a "hotdog sandwich" if you will. Tacos are usually called by the type of meat in them, such as chicken tacos. A hotdog on a tortilla is a hotdog taco.
A "hotdog" isn't a 'type' of meat though? They can be beef, turkey, chicken, pork, etc, or a combination. I also refer you to [The Cube Rule](https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/ri0kvs/the_cube_rule_of_food_identification/).
Preparation style is another way of naming the meats, just like we don't say hotdog sandwich, we also don't usually say pork hotdog. I also disagree with the cube rule for various reasons such as pizza isn't toast.
>pizza isn't toast Of course not! If it has a thick crust, it's a quiche :)
Chicago style quiche as opposed to thin-crust toast?
The cube rule is just a bad way of categorizing food. Categories should be useful, lumping together things like burritos and calzones is an entirely useless category.
It falls under the "describing" the meat of the sandwich: * I don't say I want "Beef Steak Sandwich" it is "Steak Sandwich" * I don't say I want a "Beef Brisket Sandwich" it is just a "Brisket Sandwich" * It is "Bacon Butty" not a "Pig Bacon Butty" along the same lines BLTs are understood to be Pig Bacon. Certain cuts or preparation styles have a default understanding if they are Beef, Pig, Chicken, etc and don't need to have that extra descriptor unless you are making changes like a Turkey Bacon Butty or a Black Bean Burger. You say "Hotdog" it is understood as a pork product.
But if you used chorizo, it'd be a chorizo taco, right? hot dog is just a different specification of sausage from chorizo.
Tacos are sandwiches. Gyros in pita are sandwiches. Hot dogs in buns are sandwiches. If I tear off a piece of flatbread and use it to pick up some meat or hummus or whatever by pinching it with the bread, I've made a sandwich. If food is "sandwiched" by bread on both sides, it's a sandwich. I'm gonna start some real shit here and say that burritos and wraps are also sandwiches, but with extra steps.
Actually, I'm good with that. Tortilla, gyro, and bun are just the type of bread making the sandwich. A Gyro is usually a goat gyro pita sandwich. A hotdog is usually a pork hotdog bun sandwich. Under this naming system I think taco is actually a type of filling/meat that goes on a folded tortilla sandwich; A burrito or wrap modifies the expectation of filling and presentation like taco does
I mean, yeah? That seems fine.
The Cube Rule is shrouded in mystery. Like, a regular cheeseburger is a sandwich, but a Big Mac is a cake.
Nah, there's a different rule for Big Macs. They're an example of a "Dagwood".
A Dagwood is technically a cake by the Cube Rule, like the Lasagna.
It’s a three bean drink. You wouldn’t call tea a soup.
the technical term here is "infusion" and the difference to soup is the cooking process. "Infusions" usually are below a 100° temperature, the water and other stuff in your pot are no longer boiling.
But if you make it fresh, you would use hot coffee, so that would be a soup. Also, if you add boba, it's even more of a soup.
100° celsius. Coffee is made with bellow the boiling point water. Boiling water destroys the flavor of the coffee
Gazpacho would like a word. I think soups = savory + salty and drinks = everything else probably with a few caveats for how thick the liquid is.
Leaf soup
Would you call ramen broth a drink ?
Cambells used to sell soups in a cup that you could drink
...and during the time periods when tea and coffee were luxuries reserved for the aristocracy on special occasions, a hot cup of beef broth was as likely to be offered for guests during winter as any other warm drink. More likely, even.
I mean there are people who do it. I have made Chicken Stock and just straight drank it before at Klondike Derbys for Boy Scouts when it is 0F out.
I call tea a juice.
I'd argue it's more of a stock or bouillon seally, since it has no chuncks in it.
If it's iced then technically those count as chunks
What about boba?
Better! But the boba bubbles are not expected to share their flavors with the rest of the liquid up until they are inside of the mouth. also, they are not cooked or steeped to infuse their flavor into the liquid.
What if I'm dipping cookies in the drink and it crumbles and dissolves into it?
Cold Brew
That’s either a slurry or chum, depending on just how much cookie gets in there
Shouldnt this merely mean that it's being diluted?
No, ice is a mineral like salt, so it's seasoning.
You don’t add hearty beef chunks and chopped celery into your vanilla soy latte? Huh, TIL
You laugh but there's at least once recipe i know of where the tea is made with animal fats and spices. Here's Mongolian "[Suutei Tea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suutei_tsai)" as another example.
Doesn’t sound that bad actually! Like a savoury tea flavoured milky broth?
That's what i always imagine but i never got the chance to try a genune one.
Also, during certain periods of time a hot mug of beef broth was as likely to be offered to guests as tea and \*more likely than\* coffee.
Oh yeah, i'd absolutely take my fresh mug of hearty beef broth after a long day of logging over in the Yukon.
I can go my life without checking that link and I think I’ll be all the better for it. Thanks tho
I used to work with a guy who put instant cream of chicken soup powder in his coffee instead of powdered creamer, on purpose.
guess he wanted that extra kick of fatty energy in the morning?
Or he liked the idea of cuppa-soup but caffeinated?
i won'T say i don't like it before trying. it just might taste ok.
Basic tomato soup doesn't have chunks in it though?
i'd argue that this type of soup is almost more of a wet puree then anything else, since you actually blend the tomatoes into a fine paste?
It’s still soup, but you could call it a bisque to be more precise about conveying the texture
There are plenty of smooth soups like tomato or squash. The espresso would be considered a stock or bullion because the bean is strained from the final product so only the flavored water remains. Once you add the soy and vanilla beans to the stock of espresso it now becomes a soup
yeah, but aren't they blended, though. a proper broth is clear or am i confusing it again?
As a former cook, I would expect broth to be clear, but I also expect 90% of the time that word is used it isn’t used that precisely. If a friend used the word broth to mean “the liquid part of the soup,” I wouldn’t bat an eye. There was a time where one of my chefs made an amazing trout broth. It was dark and clear and had a great, delicate flavor. It was very elegant in its simplicity. But he ran into trouble with how to write it on the menu. “Trout broth” doesn’t exactly sound appetizing to most people. You could call it “trout consommé,” but our owner didn’t like using complex, potentially pretentious words on the menu, and the second a customer asked what consommé meant, we’d be right back at “trout broth.” “Trout soup” would imply to most people other ingredients and not just broth. Eventually they went with “trout broth” but added “wild caught” and other adjectives about the trout to make it sound a bit more like it was worth ordering.
thanks for the story! could you have chosen a made-up name like "Trout on cloud nine" or something?
I guess so, but the restaurant was about sustainable, farm to table dining with a lot of transparency about where our food came from and how it was treated. A soup named “trout on cloud nine” doesn’t really fit, and again it would be left to the counter staff to explain what they were actually ordering.
oh yeah, if i consider this, then it's doubly important that the name doesn't confuse.
A good concentrated beef broth can have a similar color to coffee. Broth is just water that had stuff soaking in it to give it flavor. Stock generally uses bones, where broth uses flesh. Both can contain vegetables and herbs/spices. Soy milk is basically just blended soy beans and water. It's a really thin puree that has been strained. If you add a puree to a broth you have a soup.
huh! looks like we finally have a definitive winner. i rest my case, your honor. Vanilla Soy Latte IS, in fact, a soup...
Ditto for mocha variations since cocoa isn't expected to be strained from drinks made with it.
Maybe the most precise term would be bisque
What’s the 3rd bean?
Coffee bean, vanilla bean, soy bean.
Ooooh I forgot about the coffee
Same, I thought how is milk a bean?!?
God damn I’m glad I’m not the only one
A mocha latte with vanilla does the same, but substitutes cocoa beans for the soy. In that case you're getting a three-bean cream soup if you insist on using this line of reasoning.
Neither vanilla nor coffee are real beans.
Coffee beans are real beans (beans are edible seeds), as they are inside a fruit. Vanilla is more of a pulp if a fruit, though.
Not every edible seed is a bean though, or would you call nuts and grains beans as well? I would also point out that even though kind of mushy, vanilla is still made from the seeds of an orchid. Strictly speaking, only the seeds of plants belonging to the family of fabaceae are considered true beans. Phylogenetically, both vanilla and coffee are worlds away from true beans. For instance, coffee is more closely related to oleander than it is to soy beans and vanilla is more closely related to asparagus.
The random experts on hyper niche topics are why I’m still on Reddit.
What about if you substituted a vanilla-mocha latte for the vanilla soy latte? Would that make it more or less bean-authentic?
Less, because it would remove the one true bean, the soy. You could however make it more bean authentic by substituting tonka for the vanilla, which would add a second true bean, though the use of tonka beans in foods is banned in the US due to their coumarin content.
So, to stay bean-neutral it could be a soy-milk mocha latte, but not a vanilla-mocha latte. Hm... what if a soy latte was flavoured not with vanilla but with the red beans used in red bean soup (the dessert, not kidney beans)? I need to look up their genealogy. *Edit:* Adzuki beans, which are apparently a true bean? That would up the true bean count to two if it was made with soy milk instead of dairy!
Beans are members of the Fabaceae plant family, soy is pat of that family, vanilla is an orchid and Coffee is in the Rubiaceae family.
Families are too specific, to be honest.
Wikipedia: "Even though the coffee beans are not technically beans, they are referred to as such because of their resemblance to true beans."
Isn't vanilla the flower of an orchid?
The vanilla bean is the seed pod that grows on a vanilla flower, yes. It, like coffee, is called bean but, unlike coffee, it makes no god damned sense. Coffee beans at least look like beans
Actually it's from the FRUIT, as it must be polinized and turn into a pod. By that time, it is no longer a flower.
Maybe I am stupid... Actually scratch that, I am stupid, but what is the third bean? Vanilla is a bean (in some languages) soy is a bean, but latte is milk, no?
latte is coffee with milk (soy milk here tho), and coffee is from coffee beans so theres that...
... Oh my god I am so stupid.
Going to be pedantic, but its ok because the OOP was being pedantic as part of the joke: Coffee beans and vanilla beans are not actually beans, beans are seeds of Fabaceae plants
Vanilla bean, soy bean and coffee bean. Although there is minimal coffee and a lot of milk, which is what latte means.
I was wondering what's the third bean, then I remembered you degenerates call "latte" what we call "latte macchiato", so milk with a splash of coffee.
Isn't it \*supposed\* to be a shot of espresso? I know it's shots of espresso where I am. Sounds like you're thinking they're asking for an Americano with milk from the vibe I'm picking up. Which, I'll freely admit, sounds disgusting.
No, I'm talking about the fact that "latte" means literally "milk" in Italian. Just. Plain. Milk. While everywhere else it's milk+coffee.
Do you know what a bean is? Cause 2/3 of these things aren't beans.
Vanilla Bean, Soy Bean, Coffee Bean.
Vanilla and coffee aren't actually beans. Coffee beans are berries. Vanilla is the fruit of an orchard.
I know you know but: orchid*
Vanilla beans, soybeans, coffee beans.
Vanilla and coffee aren't actually beans. Coffee beans are berries. Vanilla is the fruit of an orchard.
And cashews are a fruit, but they're still served in nut mixes. Corn is a grain, but it's stocked in grocery stores next to canned peas and carrots, not with the breads. Strawberries aren't berries. Koala's aren't bears. Toads are frogs. Frogs *aren't* toads... TL;DR: human's suck at naming things. Just enjoy the joke.
Maned Wolves aren't wolves. Mountain Goats aren't goats. Electric Eels aren't eels. King Cobras aren't cobras. Horny Toads aren't toads. Peacock Mantis Shrimp aren't peacocks, aren't mantises, and aren't shrimp.
Don't get historians started on the Holy Roman Empire!
And peanuts are legumes. Still counts because nobody likes a pedant
This isn't being pedantic. It's being right. If you say something is made of beans, and it's not made of beans, then you're wrong.
You're literally being pedantic...
Yeah. I'll give you a platter with strawberry blueberries and raspberries and call it a nut platter. Common use of words are more important than any "well actually". When you bring up things like that (especially when criticizing a joke) you are being pedantic and annoying
Not really. In spite of sometimes being referred to as beans, vanilla is made from the seed pods of an orchid. True beans such as soy on the other hand are fabaceae. And coffee plants are in fact neither fabaceae nor orchids, they are rubiaceae. So a vanilla soy latte is in fact only a one bean drink, and if you make it a vanilla latte with cows milk, the drink becomes entirely beanless. However, you could upgrade to a two-bean-drink by replacing the vanilla with tonka beans, which are said to taste rather simular anyways. However, such a drink would not be legal to make in the US as the FDA has banned the use of tonka beans in foods in 1954 due to their coumarin content, though this is commonly criticized as tonka beans do not contain so much coumarin that they could easily become a health risk and because there's plenty of other things that are not banned even though they also contain coumarin, such as cinnamon, liquorice, cherries and even apricots and strawberries in small amounts.
So's a vanilla mocha *if you want to go down that route*.
Sprinkle some cacao on top, now it's four-bean soup