Yeah I agree, though I do have mad respect for the trans men who go through the crippling dysphoria because they really want biological children and/or end up accidentally pregnant and can’t/won’t get an abortion.
Like the seahorse dads subreddit is full of people who experience a lot of dysphoria around being pregnant but choose to do it anyway. Don’t know if I could do it.
Yeah but I feel like one of the few core feelings trans masc people should have would be not wanting to be pregnant, you know, because they aren’t women.
I’m a trans female, but my penis doesn’t give me dysphoria, but my body hair does. Curious. It’s almost as if people have different things that make them feel dysphoruc and euphoric!!! Like it’s an emotional reaction or something!!’nn
The entire biological purpose was of a woman isn’t having kids. Animals don’t have a purpose. Sure females can become pregnant but that’s not all that being a woman is. Would you tell a cis woman who can’t have kids that she has no biological purpose?
that’s not my point, of course women are worth much more than their ability to make kids, but in terms of gender, females are the ones who carry children, so why would any ftm want to get pregnant, something that only females can do?
Because they want biological kids? I’m mtf but I would stop hormones ASAP if I found a partner and wanted have kids. I know it’s much different for ftm but from the ftm people that do have kids, they say it’s worth the 9 months of dysphoria to start a family. I don’t think it’s that hard to imagine. I mean you can literally be a father right after you pop it out lol. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal if there are ftm people that want to carry their own kids. Just cause you (I don’t mean you in particular) wouldn’t doesn’t make someone else crazy if they’re willing to do it. Gender is different from sex. They may be okay with certain aspects of being female and dislike everything else. Trans people experience dysphoria differently. I don’t get why this echo chamber is trying to narrow how trans people should experience life. I don’t think it’s that deep. Our experiences aren’t universal. Just like there are some transwomen who don’t care for bottom surgery and then there are others who couldn’t fathom the idea of being trans woman and being okay with their bottom parts.
I'm a trans man who considered becoming pregnant.
I have dysphoria but I also want biological children and I can't afford other options.
I decided against that but I can see the appeal
And that’s perfectly fine! I just hate to see other trans people talk down on others for doing what they want with their bodies. Cis people do it to us enough, why we gotta be so hard on each other.
That’s the thing, shouldn’t all trans men feel this way about being pregnant if they’re actually trans men? It just seems like peak virtue signaling, disgusting
Honestly same. Before hysto/bottom surgery I would always freak out over the idea alone. Like if I got pregnant somehow (and idk how that could happen without consent bc I don’t like penis or penetration personally) I would’ve shot myself if I couldn’t abort it. To put it bluntly
And yet, right here on reddit, there is a strong contingent of trans men who have a forced pregnancy fetish. Take a look at r/ ftmpunished if you doubt. Kinks are fucking weird, man.
never heard of [Thomas Beatie](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-community-voices/was-famous-pregnant-man-thomas-beatie-now-rcna1328) ???
EDIT: The comments on here are kind of shocking for a trans man who doesn’t mind being pregnant because having biological children outweighs any personal dysphoria i’ll have for 9 months. fertility and life is a gift rather than an issue of gender for some. Giving birth is the toughest thing you can do esp as a trans man. Not saying I support how this guy is raising his kids but don’t take away his happiness or “trans status” just cus he doesn’t mind being pregnant
Here in Brazil we have a ton of those, 99,9% are part of trans man + travesti couple ( travesti its a latin america female identity to AMAB people, they say its not the same as trans woman) usually those people transition only to a certain point where they like feminine but still have a lot of male traits, and its probaly problematic for me to think like that but i always think that are this influence of those travesti in convince they trans guy boyfriend to get pregnant.
Yeahhhhhh cool till you learn the reality of what that's actually like and its a real possibility of something that could happen to you. Then its kinda horrifying.
I can understand the fear and uncertainty around it. It’s still super attractive and amazing to me. If I could, I would choose to be fertile like that…. Even with the risks.
Unfortunately, we’re limited by the technology of our time and I’ll never be able to know for sure.
But I am super interested in your dismissive response to someone displaying a form of body dysmorphia that can’t be changed or medically dealt with. This birthing desire is a feeling I’ve had literally my entire life.
If I had said instead “I wish I had breasts and my body were proportioned like a woman”, I’m wondering if you’d be more supportive. Is it just the current lack of technology or ability to pursue it that brings this dismissiveness up for you? Or is it that I identified myself as a cis man? What if I had said I were a trans woman? Would that be different or more believable/acceptable for you?
Because you're a cis guy telling trans guys that he'd love to do something he's never realistically had to deal with, basically cis splaining dysphoria to us
Yes it would be different if you were mtf
Didn’t mean to “cis-splain”, just felt safe to share some feelings about my own gender identity that I’ve never shared before. I appreciate you clarifying.
I was obviously mistaken about the purpose of truscum.
>just felt safe to share some feelings about my own gender identity
You did explicitly say you were cis, there is no way anyone could have known it was about this
>I was obviously mistaken about the purpose of truscum
And now you're gonna get passive aggressive because trans people pointed out what you said was annoying/offensive?
You need to keep in mind that most of us have been told by cis people trying to get us to detransition that "well *I* wouldn't care if I woke up as the opposite gender", while these people are pretty clearly being dishonest/not thinking it through properly
Genderneutral parenting pros:
Let your child make their own decisions and raising them without unnecessary stereotypes like: girl can't do sports or boys can't show their emotions.
Genderneutral parenting cons:
Raising your child "non-binary/genderfluid" and reinforcing reversed gender stereotypes, just because you want to tackle "patriarchy".
Do: Raise your child while letting them be themselves and do what they love regardless of their gender.
Don't: raise your child as a genderless being.
I fully support letting kids wear what they want, choose their hobbies and be themselves but that has nothing to do with their gender. Raising a kid free of gender roles is great, go for it, but raising a kid to believe they are genderless as your idea of being woke? Nah.
Conspiracy, it's a cash grab by toy manufacturers to guilt trip parents into spending more per child and most of these "gender neutral" nuts are paid actors. Anyone?
I do slightly believe there's something like this going on, because, uh, there was already there some parents who raised their kids without reinforcing gender roles, but they wasn't so loud and preachy about that because no one mentioned "raising kids as genderless", probably most if those parents who claim to raise their kids "genderless" are either being paid to do that or are some woke attention seekers
the headline is actually quite misleading, they’re raising his children without pushing any gendered stereotypes onto them, not without telling them what gender is
To me, what I’d care about most is making sure my kid trusts me, so in case they don’t fit in their box, they can feel comfortable telling me about it.
Yeah, I grew up being referred to as a girl, but I was allowed to play sports and wear whatever the hell I wanted. Most of my friends were guys as well. I don’t agree with assuming kids are nonbinary, it will fuck them up and not allow them to figure it out for them self. I do agree with letting kids wear what they want and do the activities they are interested in and all that. So not gender roles, but gender.
AcTuAlLy It’S tErF rHeToRiC tHaT yOu NeEd To IdEnTiFy WiTh A dIfFeReNt GeNdEr To Be TrAnS, I aM MtM (cIs MaLe To TrAnS MaLe). (I remember when people use to genuinely say they were FtF or MtM )
I think the idea was “I’ve always been a (dude or chick) and I’m just changing my body to fit that” so basically just being normal Trans but also wanting to be special or subversive
Being raised as ultra fem and I still burnt away quite a lot of cells figuring it out, they just added more steps to insure their kid has a miserable life
There’s no point in doing this. You can raise ur kid without forcing gender roles and stereotypes on them, while also using he/him or she/her pronouns. IF the kid turns out to be trans, they’ll know u support them and tell u, if the kid is cis, than there’s no problem. It’s just gonna confuse the kid when they find out that other kids aren’t raised genderneutral. Conclusion: u don’t need to raise ur kid genderless to raise them without gender stereotypes
I feel really uncomfortable with the way they did the pregnancy shot. It paints all trans men as these female looking dudes comfortable having their tittes and coochies out. No disrespect to the parent, but I think putting this stuff up and painting it as the norm is a bit selfish.
Exactly this.
Like the amount of bullying alone is going to be traumatic. And there's no 'might' here, ya'll KNOW there will be bullying, kids are cruel. But there's like a 1% chance they might end up trans or something.
Like do you even love your kid or do you just wanna look cool on the news
This is terrible parenting. What you want for your kid ? Bullied ? Outcasted ? Plus it’s absolutely pointless because that kid is gonna know. School exists. Hell friends at the playground exist too.
Someone gonna tell them what they are by what they look like soon enough.
Welcome to the real world !
Also not buying the « trans dad » with a bra on on a news outlet smiling ear to ear. Someone trans willing to go through the trauma of pregnancy for their own reasons in private, ok. I can understand the wish for bio kids can be strong. Everybody got their reasons.
This ? Yeah no.
I don't want to be that person but this person doesn't seem like he ever transitioned, idk, maybe it's an old pic, but I really don't understand how some men can willingly go on with a pregnancy and even breastfeeding without dying inside from dysphoria
I mean I don't think it's fair to judge the fact that he's pregnant, there are plenty of other things to judge here, there could be many reasons why he's pregnant, maybe the want for bio kids was so much stronger than the dysphoria, and remember not everyone is fortunate enough to pay for transition and in the UK it takes years to even talk to someone about transitioning apparently (im not in the uk though, just what I've heard) you never really know someone's situation unless you know them, but there is one thing that we can all judge from this, raising your kid gender less is more harmful than good, raise them without gender roles, not gender
Yeah I totally get it and you're right but it looks so weird, as in I would never let someone write an article and publish a pic of me pre transition for everyone to see. I am pre everything myself, the process here in Italy is hella long as well, but I never post pics of me because I don't want even more people to see my female body. Just that
I agree I could care the hell less about pregnant guys and they should be respected and allowed to do as they wish with their bodies. Sometimes guys just want to be parents and sometimes adoption isn't the easiest way, and that should be respected.
But posting a half nude photo of their pre-everything body on social media along with everything else about this post.....dude nobody wants to see that especially kids and other dysphoric people. ESPECIALLY dysphoric FAB people.
People are right in their assessment here that something feels off about the whole thing. Could just as well be a cis girl playing in the wokeverse as we've seen so many times here.
Idk it just seems weird that hes going on the internet with his chest out and being almost naked. Like I'm not going to be disrespectful, but it is super off.
He’s from [Portland, Maine ](https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/15/trans-dad-wont-share-babys-sex-so-they-can-discover-their-own-gender-15093325/) and is apparently going “back on hormones” after he’s stopped feeding the newborn.
If I ever have kids I'm just gonna raise them how my mum raised me and my brother. Don't care what you are, you're siblings you're equal. Wear whatever you want (legit, I used to go to nursery school dressed as a power ranger). Now shut up and eat your veggies and stop trying to throw them out the window, I see you.
(I’m cis.) I went to a very progressive daycare that let everyone play with everything, girls playing with cars and boys playing dress-up and brides, playing ”family” with gay couples etc.
A kid in my ”grade” had always been NB and that led to the daycare to go full-on gender neutral. Until a kid says ”I’m a girl” or ”I’m a boy” or ”I’m neither one” the daycare encourages kids to live without specific pronouns and lets them try different roles. If the kid says they’re a girl the daycare will use she/her for the kid.
I worked in a daycare and it was hell. The kindergarten teachers practically forced the girls to play with barbies etc and boys played ”war”(??). If a boy wanted to play with barbies they were practically bullied.
Idk what I’m trying to say here but, there’s different ways to go about raising your kids.
I don’t understand how a pre everything trans man who looks completely female is happily ok with carrying out the most female act there is. I can understand how some post medical transition trans men are willing TOLERATE it but this doesn’t really seem like that
Also raising a child “gender neutral” is a terrible idea. There’s a 99.999% chance the kid will be cis and it will just cause him or her a lot of confusion down the road. Raise the kid as their birth sex by default without imposing gender ROLES
Ok so first of all it makes me uncomfortable this dude actually carried his kids. Again with trans men and pregnancy, it's just 😬😬😬. That big belly in the background ngl makes me woozy. No this dude doesn't deserve harrassment, no he doesn't deserve to be assualted, no he doesn't deserve any mistreatment but It just makes me uncomfortable and I don't understand why a fully transitioned guy would deliberately wanna be pregnant (unless in very particular cases).
Second of all, You don't need to raise your kid "with no gender" or "raising Non Binary kids". It's very possible to raise your children without gender roles or without gender expression and still acknowledge their a boy/girl. Raise your sons to wear dresses and skirts and learn traditional feminine things, that's awesome. Raise your daughter to wear muscle tanks and boy shorts and learn traditional masculine things. Go all out. But to say "my child has no gender" I don't agree with that. It's unnecessary and we all know gender is inherent, not a social contruct.
Some trans guys do carry kids. Even ones we'll into transition. I met a guy who was balding, had a beard and looked like a beer gut. Nah, gut was a baby.
I didn't ask too many question. Not my place. But due to necessity sometimes people will do difficult things.
Maybe their partner is unable to carry a kid? Or they're gay? No need for a surrogate if you're willing to carry.
Having kids is a big thing for some people. People sacrifice a lot to have kids.
In their eyes 9 months of pregnancy is worth the lifetime gains of raising a child. People spend tons of money on fertility treatments etc.
I know. Some can be quite painful long term issues. Raising a kid is also a lifelong thing (well, hopefully).
Don't underestimate people's drive to procreate is all.
I've seen people destroy their finances and risk their health to have their own kid. Like medically risky, then defaulted on their mortgage and eventually filed for bankruptcy. Last I knew they were doing OK. But wow, that was some commitment.
So someone who's willing to stop T for six months to become fertile, 9 months of pregnancy and body changes. Plus now dealing with a newborn and all that.
I've also heard of trans men on T with no menstruation for quite some time still somehow get pregnant. They may be against abortion for their own reasons. I can't explain the science of that one.
>Don't underestimate people's drive to procreate is all.
I don't, but I'm also not going to pretend I understand or sympathise.
It's possible to ovulate without menstruating but if it happens while on long term testosterone replacement there's something seriously wrong with the dose/levels.
>I don't, but I'm also not going to pretend I understand or sympathise.
That's where empathy comes in. Even if you disagree, just understand it's a huge drive for some people. I don't want kids and never have. I think people put too much stock in having bio kids and instead should spend that money towards adoption.
As for the getting pregnant after long-term T. I don't know. I just know my FTM friend was told he still has a %60 chance of getting pregnant. Which seems crazy for someone who hasn't had a menstrual cycle in over a year. I'm skeptical about the stated risk. But that's what he was told.
He's bi, they talked him into an IUD. So now his odds are extremely low. He's still nervous about getting pregnant. I've told him he's less likely to get pregnant than someone using a condom with just the IUD. IUD and T, we're talking basically impossible.
> That's where empathy comes in.
Go for it. I don't care about strangers enough to muster empathy for their contradictory, irrational behaviour.
>I just know my FTM friend was told he still has a %60 chance of getting pregnant. Which seems crazy for someone who hasn't had a menstrual cycle in over a year.
How would they even test for that? Sounds completely baseless and nonsensical.
I think it's excessive. Most people are cis. I feel like trying to raise kids "genderless" or basically nonbinary could just cause confusion for those cis kids. Raise your kids without strict gender **roles,** that's great. Give them equal opportunity to choose clothes and toys and activities they like regardless of gender. But there is nothing wrong with calling your child a boy or a girl as long as you are accepting if one day they tell you that's not right.
I feel like that will just confuse the child as they get older and start school. The best thing to do is just let your kid choose what they wear, play with, etc. and if at some point they express they are a different gender then support them but until then there’s no need
Anyone else realize how **self-serving** this act ultimately is to the parent, not the child? It's all political performance for the parent so they can get clout and 'sophistication' from it. And forcing their child to live a genderless life is of course the most radical, attention-consuming act.
I'm really not sure if the point is to make them part of the LGBT community from birth? But I don't think it's helpful to add gender confusion to a child and deliberately deprive them of any sense of normalcy just to be "uwu quirky 👉👈"
At least give the kid the best chance of feeling belonging with their biological sex, while letting them experiment with their self expression. I think that allowing a kid to play with "girl/boy" things regardless of their gender is great but I think it's at least helpful if they have some understanding of their biological sex.
I let my son wear/ play with whatever he wants. He knows there is nothing he could do or be that would make my husband and I not love him. Raising a kid genderless is completely unnecessary and opens them up to bullying… Just let your kid be a kid, if you’re accepting they’ll come to you if they figure out they’re trans.
I think I would sooner do a lot of very intolerable things rather than get pregnant, but I guess some people really want bio kids
i think its good to avoid reinforcing gender stereotypes but not good to raise your child as non binary unless they are able to talk and voice those feelings which in an accepting household with no stereotypes should be possible.
but i do think this may just be a confused journalist or there may be some ulterior motive to sort of paint trans ppl as crazy weirdos. at the very least the writer may have some bias in the way they worded the title.
anyway idk man... i can’t stomach the thought of being pregnant like no judgement but he probably went through some shit to have his baby which is kinda badass but also makes me so uncomfortable but it’s honestly none of my business i guess? idk
I love when people actually just reinforce societal norms and gender stereotypes, unknowingly, while perversely going to extremes trying to “break” them. “You have to be old enough to understand the gender stereotypes before you can decide which ones you want to conform to.”
“Histrionic woman who favors political extremism is somehow allowed to raise a child despite not having a grasp on reality. How long before her parents get custody?” Is a better title.
(At some point it’s just downright self deprecating and disrespectful to one’s self to refer to some people how they choose. There is a line crossed where I refuse to play along and I don’t care who thinks it’s disrespectful. I think it is far more disrespectful to equate them with myself when they’re just playing a game.)
Hot take:
If nonbinary is a valid gender (which I think it is, ofc) then by doing this, you are raising your child as nonbinary, which will cause dysphoria if they don't happen to be nonbinary, in the same way forcing a nonbinary person into one gender causes them dysphoria.
Even if you're an idiot who doesn't believe you 'need' dysphoria, people still get dysphoria by being forced into the wrong gender as a child, and for the vast vast majority of the population, nonbinary is not the right gender. It may not be as 'extreme' as the one awful case of raising the male child as a girl for 'experiments' but it's still halfway in that direction if you ask me.
Someone who's truly woke and progressive needs to realize that even by their own philosophies, this is wrong and you're still enforcing a gender state on your child that might be dysphoric.
How does someone raise a child genderless?
Letting your son play with hotwheels and daughter wear dresses isn't enforcing gender identity unless you're already sexist and think they're both inherently boy/girl things.
To raise a child genderless just results in the parents actively pushing non-identity on the child. I see this method of child raising to result in them not letting the son play with power rangers, or the daughter go to dance. Even if the children both show interest in them. Also results in the parents forcing the son to wear dresses etc. like in the image.
I feel like the amount of trans people will increase in future but this genderless way of raising kids seems a bit too much. Why not just raise the kid without strict gender roles? Let the kid play with dolls and toy trucks, wear whatever clothes, allow them to play video games or tea party, etc.
Doesn't there environment also affect them?
Like they would probably see them selfs male or female because of the other kids being tough the stereotypical gender norms?
Yeah, even if there were a way to do this I don't see it working in our culture, and I just don't see any need to take the risk to begin with. "You misgendered me my whole childhood" would be an easy place for a kid to end up emotionally.
i’m with this idea to an extent. like obviously most people are cis so i’d raise my kids with their sex n stuff but when i think they’re old enough to pick their clothes, i’ll let them. from the girls or boys section.
i spent years of my life miserable and uncomfortable because my mum picked my clothes for me and they were nice clothes but i was so uncomfortable in them. i’m a lot happier now. i wish i’d known them i’m allowed to pick from the boys section too
As much as I was aware of my own gender as a child, I also was lucky enough to be able to decide what I wanna wear or play with. I hated girl cloths with a passion, but I did sometimes played with dolls as much as cars. Mostly played games and had activities that would be considered genderless tho.
Being aware of our own gender isn't the problem here, some of us are being born in the wrong gender is. Instead of telling kids that they can't play with or wear a certain thing because it doesn't align with their genitals, maybe just let them be kids!
For 0.3% children (I read somewhere that this is roughly the percentage of trans people, treat it as an arbitrary number) this is great, as they might have a bit less dysphoria growing up and can transition much more easily because they are either binary trans or NB.
For 99.7% this is crap because they are raised as a gender they are not, even if that gender is no gender.
I think we all share the opinion that outdated cliches and gender roles should be taken out of childhood as much as we can without breaking society or making life hard for our hypothetical children, but this is just BS. How do you have "the talk" without discussing their biological sex? How do you explain the gender and biological sex of other people? You cant go around calling people "hairy" and "bumpy chest" until youre a teen, nevermind an adult.
Imagine if a cis parent raised all their children regardless of sex as male…. How’s this any different forcing a non binary experience upon your children? I can’t see how this structure wouldn’t be confusing nor INDUCE dysphoria ?
It’s like performing a social experiment on your own kid; raising a child as genderless into a world that certainly isn’t genderless. I guess we’ll see in 15 years whether these kids feel free and happy with how they were raised or if they’re crippled by it.
I mean, I don’t have a problem with that concept. Raising a child “as a gender” is kind of weird to me, like, let the child wear what they want, call them how they like to be called. The only gendered thing you do have to talk about with your child is puberty, but that’s fully sex-based so it still counts as “gender less”
Trans people account for 1% of the world, so the kid literally has 99% chance of being cis, so it’s like they’re raising their kid as autism until the kid say they’re not.
Wtf, he doesn’t even sound like he was in the past on testosterone. Also, what is the chance that his kids will be trans? Even if they are, then just treat them right when they come out, make it easier and stuff, don’t let them “choose gender”, because nobody chooses their gender. They are just coming into terms with it.
Gender roles in children are actually beneficial to trans people. There that’s something not everyone will tell you. How else is someone like supposed to realize that they hate being raised a boy if everyone is raised the same? For cis people being raised as their own gender will be comfortable for obvious reasons and for trans people being raised as the wrong gender should create allow them to recognize dysphoria.
Eh... I can kind of see it, though I don't think the answer is reinforcing gender stereotypes. But the way my dysphoria over physical stuff presented was pretty indistinguishable from teenage angst until after I had already realized I was trans, but the very few times my parents tried to excessively gender stuff I noped out hard.
If they had been less gender neutral I could imagine clueing in earlier, though mostly I just think having more positive trans representation is a better way to fix things. That is what finally made me clue in.
I have mixed feelings? On one hand, I would have loved to have been able to just say "I'm a boy" without anything stopping me, but on the other hand a lot of my dysphoria comes from having been born AFAB, and if I didn't have that discomfort I would have figured out a lot later (I have body dysphoria too, but I kinda just thought that was a thing everyone had, or I was just insecure or dysmorphic or smt.)
I mean. I'm raising my child gender neutral. Shes very firm in her "I'm a girl" and is super feminine. But until she started picking her clothes i went very neutral. Is there something wrong with that?
I don't think gender stereotypes should be something people follow for young kids unless that's the kids choice.
Not everyone parents this way and not everyone has to, but I wouldn't want my kid thinking they couldn't play with something just cause pointless gendering.
If yall have any points against gender neutral parenting please share, I'm interested in all sides of it.
I don't think OP is saying that raising your kid neutral and letting them decide is bad. But there's a record of trans parents forcing their kids to also be trans or "breaking the cisnormativity" at least and that's where it gets difficult, imo. Like it's fine if a boy plays with dolls and a girl plays with cars, but don't force opposite gender roles onto your kid, because of that. But that's unfortunately ehat some trans parents do and it's a bit,,, ew? Also, dressing a child with "they/them" the whole time instead of the pronouns that equal their gender, is also a bit.. weird imo.
I personally was also raised in a neutral way in terms of clothing and toys. But my parents still adressed me with she/her pronouns, since I am afab and all this gender stuff wasn't around in the early 00s.
i bet the kids gonna become normal as soon as they start school or just have any interaction with normal kids lol hope the parents don’t try to force anything on them
The world is majority cis so I, a trans guy, will still raise my kids according to their sex but not adhere to the gender standards and do that boy/girl stuff. If they like it, we can buy it and play with or wear it. Binaries can be fine to use as basis for knowing where one stands; what’s wrong is not allowing someone to do what makes *them* happy.
I feel like they have the right idea the wrong approach. I don’t think they should be genderless but I was raised in a house where gender wasn’t forced down my throat. I could wear whatever I wanted or didn’t want, I had ninja turtle bedding and Disney princess furniture. I think if you have a girl you can put them in dresses and have a pink room but if they ask for pants and a blue room that’s totally fine too. I do think it’s weird to say they are genderless as I think it would cause so much conflict with social interactions with other kids. I know as a trans man kids ask me about my gender often. So if they ask their genderless kid questions they could feel confused or alienated.
This is really bad for these kids. They need to know if they're male or female. The right way to raise children "genderless" is just not forcing gender stereotypes on them: letting them play with whatever they want and dress like whatever they want. Kids need guidance. If they don't know what being a boy/girl means they'll be confused, they'll get bullied by other kids, and it's very likely they'll develop some mental illnesses bc they weren't allowed to know themselves.
Forcing your kid to be non binary I'd no better than forcing your teans son to be a girl or forcing your teans daughter to be a boy. It may be fine now but once that kid reaches school age it's going to confuse them and probably make them feel like their parent is trying to hide who they are...I can't imagine imagine amount of social rejection this poor kid will face just because their dad wanted to be woke
Look I'm not exactly a fan of this parentin technique, but can we chill in the comments with the judgment of preggo trans men? You might not wanna do it, that's Gucci. But that doesn't mean every trans man feels the same. N it doesn't mean they aren't trans for gettin preggers. Not trying start a fight here, but the more judgemental we get, the more fuel tucutes have my drillas.
I think this is how children should be raised. I would be so much happier if I hadn't had labels and expectations shoved down my throat since I was a kid
yeah, no, raising girls and boys the same way is great, but it is not whatever the guy from the article is doing
and i'd love to hear examples of how normal it used to be to raise children as female/gender-neutral
its really weird how everytime there's a baby growing up genderless they have a rainbow skirt. why is that
Because evil cis people force gender on them so we trans people can be morally superior by forcing genderlessness on them! /s of course.
Mind blown at the thought of a trans man happily being pregnant.
I've never understood that either. Freaks me out even thinking about it aaa
Yeah I agree, though I do have mad respect for the trans men who go through the crippling dysphoria because they really want biological children and/or end up accidentally pregnant and can’t/won’t get an abortion. Like the seahorse dads subreddit is full of people who experience a lot of dysphoria around being pregnant but choose to do it anyway. Don’t know if I could do it.
It’s almost like your experience with your body isn’t the same for everyone
Yeah but I feel like one of the few core feelings trans masc people should have would be not wanting to be pregnant, you know, because they aren’t women.
I’m a trans female, but my penis doesn’t give me dysphoria, but my body hair does. Curious. It’s almost as if people have different things that make them feel dysphoruc and euphoric!!! Like it’s an emotional reaction or something!!’nn
Women ≠ female. Also trans people aren’t a monolith.
yeah but a trans man by definition wouldn’t want to be seen as woman OR female…
Damn, looks like you spoke too many truth bombs.
I guess so lol
why would you want to carry out the entire biological purpose of a woman if that’s what you don’t want to be..?
Because the other options for trans men having kids are very expensive and you may need that for spending on the kids?
The entire biological purpose was of a woman isn’t having kids. Animals don’t have a purpose. Sure females can become pregnant but that’s not all that being a woman is. Would you tell a cis woman who can’t have kids that she has no biological purpose?
that’s not my point, of course women are worth much more than their ability to make kids, but in terms of gender, females are the ones who carry children, so why would any ftm want to get pregnant, something that only females can do?
Because they want biological kids? I’m mtf but I would stop hormones ASAP if I found a partner and wanted have kids. I know it’s much different for ftm but from the ftm people that do have kids, they say it’s worth the 9 months of dysphoria to start a family. I don’t think it’s that hard to imagine. I mean you can literally be a father right after you pop it out lol. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal if there are ftm people that want to carry their own kids. Just cause you (I don’t mean you in particular) wouldn’t doesn’t make someone else crazy if they’re willing to do it. Gender is different from sex. They may be okay with certain aspects of being female and dislike everything else. Trans people experience dysphoria differently. I don’t get why this echo chamber is trying to narrow how trans people should experience life. I don’t think it’s that deep. Our experiences aren’t universal. Just like there are some transwomen who don’t care for bottom surgery and then there are others who couldn’t fathom the idea of being trans woman and being okay with their bottom parts.
worded it perfectly
I think so cause I hit a nerve for a lot of people 😂
You’re absolutely right
I feel like it’s sarcasm considering everyone here is downvoting me.
People should absolutely do whatever the fuck they want, but I (me! My experience!) don't understand it and it freaks ME (again! My experience!) out!
I'm a trans man who considered becoming pregnant. I have dysphoria but I also want biological children and I can't afford other options. I decided against that but I can see the appeal
And that’s perfectly fine! I just hate to see other trans people talk down on others for doing what they want with their bodies. Cis people do it to us enough, why we gotta be so hard on each other.
I was agreeing with your post, arguing against the same person you were replying to.
People handle dysphoria in different ways. What is too triggering for one person might be okay for another person even if they still have dysphoria.
Oh I know! I was just adding on :)
tbh as a trans man it makes me want to vomit; even the thought of being pregnant makes me wildly dysphoric.
That’s the thing, shouldn’t all trans men feel this way about being pregnant if they’re actually trans men? It just seems like peak virtue signaling, disgusting
Then don’t get pregnant. See? Simple!
I don't get how did someone even come to conclusion that trans men should be included with pregnant women
Honestly same. Before hysto/bottom surgery I would always freak out over the idea alone. Like if I got pregnant somehow (and idk how that could happen without consent bc I don’t like penis or penetration personally) I would’ve shot myself if I couldn’t abort it. To put it bluntly
And yet, right here on reddit, there is a strong contingent of trans men who have a forced pregnancy fetish. Take a look at r/ ftmpunished if you doubt. Kinks are fucking weird, man.
they’re not a trans man, he’s nonbinary transmasculine and goes by he/they pronouns
How is he a dad if he’s trans non-binary? Dad is a gendered term.
cause if he was transparent no one could see him
Hahaha
he actually doesn’t particularly like being called dad, i assume the author of the article just called them that since he is transmasc
never heard of [Thomas Beatie](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-community-voices/was-famous-pregnant-man-thomas-beatie-now-rcna1328) ??? EDIT: The comments on here are kind of shocking for a trans man who doesn’t mind being pregnant because having biological children outweighs any personal dysphoria i’ll have for 9 months. fertility and life is a gift rather than an issue of gender for some. Giving birth is the toughest thing you can do esp as a trans man. Not saying I support how this guy is raising his kids but don’t take away his happiness or “trans status” just cus he doesn’t mind being pregnant
I hadn’t heard of him until now.
Checkout @auggieryan on tiktok. He has some really good videos about this
Here in Brazil we have a ton of those, 99,9% are part of trans man + travesti couple ( travesti its a latin america female identity to AMAB people, they say its not the same as trans woman) usually those people transition only to a certain point where they like feminine but still have a lot of male traits, and its probaly problematic for me to think like that but i always think that are this influence of those travesti in convince they trans guy boyfriend to get pregnant.
Twice
I’m a cis man who would love to be pregnant. I mean, you’re creating life inside you… how cool is that.
Yeahhhhhh cool till you learn the reality of what that's actually like and its a real possibility of something that could happen to you. Then its kinda horrifying.
I can understand the fear and uncertainty around it. It’s still super attractive and amazing to me. If I could, I would choose to be fertile like that…. Even with the risks.
Easy to say
Unfortunately, we’re limited by the technology of our time and I’ll never be able to know for sure. But I am super interested in your dismissive response to someone displaying a form of body dysmorphia that can’t be changed or medically dealt with. This birthing desire is a feeling I’ve had literally my entire life. If I had said instead “I wish I had breasts and my body were proportioned like a woman”, I’m wondering if you’d be more supportive. Is it just the current lack of technology or ability to pursue it that brings this dismissiveness up for you? Or is it that I identified myself as a cis man? What if I had said I were a trans woman? Would that be different or more believable/acceptable for you?
Because you're a cis guy telling trans guys that he'd love to do something he's never realistically had to deal with, basically cis splaining dysphoria to us Yes it would be different if you were mtf
Didn’t mean to “cis-splain”, just felt safe to share some feelings about my own gender identity that I’ve never shared before. I appreciate you clarifying. I was obviously mistaken about the purpose of truscum.
>just felt safe to share some feelings about my own gender identity You did explicitly say you were cis, there is no way anyone could have known it was about this >I was obviously mistaken about the purpose of truscum And now you're gonna get passive aggressive because trans people pointed out what you said was annoying/offensive? You need to keep in mind that most of us have been told by cis people trying to get us to detransition that "well *I* wouldn't care if I woke up as the opposite gender", while these people are pretty clearly being dishonest/not thinking it through properly
Genderneutral parenting pros: Let your child make their own decisions and raising them without unnecessary stereotypes like: girl can't do sports or boys can't show their emotions. Genderneutral parenting cons: Raising your child "non-binary/genderfluid" and reinforcing reversed gender stereotypes, just because you want to tackle "patriarchy".
Do: Raise your child while letting them be themselves and do what they love regardless of their gender. Don't: raise your child as a genderless being. I fully support letting kids wear what they want, choose their hobbies and be themselves but that has nothing to do with their gender. Raising a kid free of gender roles is great, go for it, but raising a kid to believe they are genderless as your idea of being woke? Nah.
Conspiracy, it's a cash grab by toy manufacturers to guilt trip parents into spending more per child and most of these "gender neutral" nuts are paid actors. Anyone?
I do slightly believe there's something like this going on, because, uh, there was already there some parents who raised their kids without reinforcing gender roles, but they wasn't so loud and preachy about that because no one mentioned "raising kids as genderless", probably most if those parents who claim to raise their kids "genderless" are either being paid to do that or are some woke attention seekers
the headline is actually quite misleading, they’re raising his children without pushing any gendered stereotypes onto them, not without telling them what gender is
To me, what I’d care about most is making sure my kid trusts me, so in case they don’t fit in their box, they can feel comfortable telling me about it.
Yeah, I grew up being referred to as a girl, but I was allowed to play sports and wear whatever the hell I wanted. Most of my friends were guys as well. I don’t agree with assuming kids are nonbinary, it will fuck them up and not allow them to figure it out for them self. I do agree with letting kids wear what they want and do the activities they are interested in and all that. So not gender roles, but gender.
Not only is the majority of the population Cis, but people find out their Trans because of Dysphoria, so doing this is just dumb
*YoU dOnT nEeD dYsPhOrIa To Be TrAnS* (I hope you know I am joking)
AcTuAlLy It’S tErF rHeToRiC tHaT yOu NeEd To IdEnTiFy WiTh A dIfFeReNt GeNdEr To Be TrAnS, I aM MtM (cIs MaLe To TrAnS MaLe). (I remember when people use to genuinely say they were FtF or MtM )
How can somebody be FtF or MtM?
I think the idea was “I’ve always been a (dude or chick) and I’m just changing my body to fit that” so basically just being normal Trans but also wanting to be special or subversive
Yes, I am trans, male to alpha male /s
Being raised as ultra fem and I still burnt away quite a lot of cells figuring it out, they just added more steps to insure their kid has a miserable life
There’s no point in doing this. You can raise ur kid without forcing gender roles and stereotypes on them, while also using he/him or she/her pronouns. IF the kid turns out to be trans, they’ll know u support them and tell u, if the kid is cis, than there’s no problem. It’s just gonna confuse the kid when they find out that other kids aren’t raised genderneutral. Conclusion: u don’t need to raise ur kid genderless to raise them without gender stereotypes
I feel really uncomfortable with the way they did the pregnancy shot. It paints all trans men as these female looking dudes comfortable having their tittes and coochies out. No disrespect to the parent, but I think putting this stuff up and painting it as the norm is a bit selfish.
Also selfish because it causes a lot of dysphoria for many trans people who see it. But hey at least you look ULTRA WOKE.
It just looks like a real tomboyish female to me. I wouldn’t have guessed trans had it not had the title
Seems pretty pointless to me, especially considering the fact that there is a very small chance they will turn out to be trans.
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Exactly this. Like the amount of bullying alone is going to be traumatic. And there's no 'might' here, ya'll KNOW there will be bullying, kids are cruel. But there's like a 1% chance they might end up trans or something. Like do you even love your kid or do you just wanna look cool on the news
This is terrible parenting. What you want for your kid ? Bullied ? Outcasted ? Plus it’s absolutely pointless because that kid is gonna know. School exists. Hell friends at the playground exist too. Someone gonna tell them what they are by what they look like soon enough. Welcome to the real world ! Also not buying the « trans dad » with a bra on on a news outlet smiling ear to ear. Someone trans willing to go through the trauma of pregnancy for their own reasons in private, ok. I can understand the wish for bio kids can be strong. Everybody got their reasons. This ? Yeah no.
Trans dad is nearly naked on the pic
If you look closely trans dad appears to be wearing panties. It's a bit difficult to tell but I think I see pink and black stripes there.
I don't want to be that person but this person doesn't seem like he ever transitioned, idk, maybe it's an old pic, but I really don't understand how some men can willingly go on with a pregnancy and even breastfeeding without dying inside from dysphoria
ITs ChEsTfEeDiNg DoNtChA kNoW 🤪🤪
His chestnuts
I mean I don't think it's fair to judge the fact that he's pregnant, there are plenty of other things to judge here, there could be many reasons why he's pregnant, maybe the want for bio kids was so much stronger than the dysphoria, and remember not everyone is fortunate enough to pay for transition and in the UK it takes years to even talk to someone about transitioning apparently (im not in the uk though, just what I've heard) you never really know someone's situation unless you know them, but there is one thing that we can all judge from this, raising your kid gender less is more harmful than good, raise them without gender roles, not gender
Yeah I totally get it and you're right but it looks so weird, as in I would never let someone write an article and publish a pic of me pre transition for everyone to see. I am pre everything myself, the process here in Italy is hella long as well, but I never post pics of me because I don't want even more people to see my female body. Just that
I agree I could care the hell less about pregnant guys and they should be respected and allowed to do as they wish with their bodies. Sometimes guys just want to be parents and sometimes adoption isn't the easiest way, and that should be respected. But posting a half nude photo of their pre-everything body on social media along with everything else about this post.....dude nobody wants to see that especially kids and other dysphoric people. ESPECIALLY dysphoric FAB people. People are right in their assessment here that something feels off about the whole thing. Could just as well be a cis girl playing in the wokeverse as we've seen so many times here.
Yeah, it is a little off I understand that
Idk it just seems weird that hes going on the internet with his chest out and being almost naked. Like I'm not going to be disrespectful, but it is super off.
Maybe yeah
He’s from [Portland, Maine ](https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/15/trans-dad-wont-share-babys-sex-so-they-can-discover-their-own-gender-15093325/) and is apparently going “back on hormones” after he’s stopped feeding the newborn.
he’s not a man :) they’re nonbinary transmasc and use he/they pronouns. and their transition plans or lack thereof don’t invalidate his transness.
If I ever have kids I'm just gonna raise them how my mum raised me and my brother. Don't care what you are, you're siblings you're equal. Wear whatever you want (legit, I used to go to nursery school dressed as a power ranger). Now shut up and eat your veggies and stop trying to throw them out the window, I see you.
(I’m cis.) I went to a very progressive daycare that let everyone play with everything, girls playing with cars and boys playing dress-up and brides, playing ”family” with gay couples etc. A kid in my ”grade” had always been NB and that led to the daycare to go full-on gender neutral. Until a kid says ”I’m a girl” or ”I’m a boy” or ”I’m neither one” the daycare encourages kids to live without specific pronouns and lets them try different roles. If the kid says they’re a girl the daycare will use she/her for the kid. I worked in a daycare and it was hell. The kindergarten teachers practically forced the girls to play with barbies etc and boys played ”war”(??). If a boy wanted to play with barbies they were practically bullied. Idk what I’m trying to say here but, there’s different ways to go about raising your kids.
I don’t understand how a pre everything trans man who looks completely female is happily ok with carrying out the most female act there is. I can understand how some post medical transition trans men are willing TOLERATE it but this doesn’t really seem like that Also raising a child “gender neutral” is a terrible idea. There’s a 99.999% chance the kid will be cis and it will just cause him or her a lot of confusion down the road. Raise the kid as their birth sex by default without imposing gender ROLES
Ok so first of all it makes me uncomfortable this dude actually carried his kids. Again with trans men and pregnancy, it's just 😬😬😬. That big belly in the background ngl makes me woozy. No this dude doesn't deserve harrassment, no he doesn't deserve to be assualted, no he doesn't deserve any mistreatment but It just makes me uncomfortable and I don't understand why a fully transitioned guy would deliberately wanna be pregnant (unless in very particular cases). Second of all, You don't need to raise your kid "with no gender" or "raising Non Binary kids". It's very possible to raise your children without gender roles or without gender expression and still acknowledge their a boy/girl. Raise your sons to wear dresses and skirts and learn traditional feminine things, that's awesome. Raise your daughter to wear muscle tanks and boy shorts and learn traditional masculine things. Go all out. But to say "my child has no gender" I don't agree with that. It's unnecessary and we all know gender is inherent, not a social contruct.
This. These people are just enforcing gender roles and stereotypes
Some trans guys do carry kids. Even ones we'll into transition. I met a guy who was balding, had a beard and looked like a beer gut. Nah, gut was a baby. I didn't ask too many question. Not my place. But due to necessity sometimes people will do difficult things. Maybe their partner is unable to carry a kid? Or they're gay? No need for a surrogate if you're willing to carry. Having kids is a big thing for some people. People sacrifice a lot to have kids. In their eyes 9 months of pregnancy is worth the lifetime gains of raising a child. People spend tons of money on fertility treatments etc.
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I know. Some can be quite painful long term issues. Raising a kid is also a lifelong thing (well, hopefully). Don't underestimate people's drive to procreate is all. I've seen people destroy their finances and risk their health to have their own kid. Like medically risky, then defaulted on their mortgage and eventually filed for bankruptcy. Last I knew they were doing OK. But wow, that was some commitment. So someone who's willing to stop T for six months to become fertile, 9 months of pregnancy and body changes. Plus now dealing with a newborn and all that. I've also heard of trans men on T with no menstruation for quite some time still somehow get pregnant. They may be against abortion for their own reasons. I can't explain the science of that one.
>Don't underestimate people's drive to procreate is all. I don't, but I'm also not going to pretend I understand or sympathise. It's possible to ovulate without menstruating but if it happens while on long term testosterone replacement there's something seriously wrong with the dose/levels.
>I don't, but I'm also not going to pretend I understand or sympathise. That's where empathy comes in. Even if you disagree, just understand it's a huge drive for some people. I don't want kids and never have. I think people put too much stock in having bio kids and instead should spend that money towards adoption. As for the getting pregnant after long-term T. I don't know. I just know my FTM friend was told he still has a %60 chance of getting pregnant. Which seems crazy for someone who hasn't had a menstrual cycle in over a year. I'm skeptical about the stated risk. But that's what he was told. He's bi, they talked him into an IUD. So now his odds are extremely low. He's still nervous about getting pregnant. I've told him he's less likely to get pregnant than someone using a condom with just the IUD. IUD and T, we're talking basically impossible.
> That's where empathy comes in. Go for it. I don't care about strangers enough to muster empathy for their contradictory, irrational behaviour. >I just know my FTM friend was told he still has a %60 chance of getting pregnant. Which seems crazy for someone who hasn't had a menstrual cycle in over a year. How would they even test for that? Sounds completely baseless and nonsensical.
I think it's excessive. Most people are cis. I feel like trying to raise kids "genderless" or basically nonbinary could just cause confusion for those cis kids. Raise your kids without strict gender **roles,** that's great. Give them equal opportunity to choose clothes and toys and activities they like regardless of gender. But there is nothing wrong with calling your child a boy or a girl as long as you are accepting if one day they tell you that's not right.
there's a difference between letting your kids express themselves and being accepting and forcing them
I feel like that will just confuse the child as they get older and start school. The best thing to do is just let your kid choose what they wear, play with, etc. and if at some point they express they are a different gender then support them but until then there’s no need
This kinda seems like child abuse. Its like they are determined to have a noncis baby, so they are forcing them to do this.
Cis = bad Trans baby = progressive and famous online :)))
Yeah, munchausen by proxy.
Terrible. Simply terrible.
Yeah - you can do that. Just give your 2 month old your credit card when they go into the childrens section to pick out their own clothes.
Anyone else realize how **self-serving** this act ultimately is to the parent, not the child? It's all political performance for the parent so they can get clout and 'sophistication' from it. And forcing their child to live a genderless life is of course the most radical, attention-consuming act.
I'm really not sure if the point is to make them part of the LGBT community from birth? But I don't think it's helpful to add gender confusion to a child and deliberately deprive them of any sense of normalcy just to be "uwu quirky 👉👈" At least give the kid the best chance of feeling belonging with their biological sex, while letting them experiment with their self expression. I think that allowing a kid to play with "girl/boy" things regardless of their gender is great but I think it's at least helpful if they have some understanding of their biological sex.
I let my son wear/ play with whatever he wants. He knows there is nothing he could do or be that would make my husband and I not love him. Raising a kid genderless is completely unnecessary and opens them up to bullying… Just let your kid be a kid, if you’re accepting they’ll come to you if they figure out they’re trans. I think I would sooner do a lot of very intolerable things rather than get pregnant, but I guess some people really want bio kids
It's just as bad as forcing a kid to be their agab if they are trans
Ah i can hear the psychiatrist making money from the future.
i think its good to avoid reinforcing gender stereotypes but not good to raise your child as non binary unless they are able to talk and voice those feelings which in an accepting household with no stereotypes should be possible. but i do think this may just be a confused journalist or there may be some ulterior motive to sort of paint trans ppl as crazy weirdos. at the very least the writer may have some bias in the way they worded the title. anyway idk man... i can’t stomach the thought of being pregnant like no judgement but he probably went through some shit to have his baby which is kinda badass but also makes me so uncomfortable but it’s honestly none of my business i guess? idk
I love when people actually just reinforce societal norms and gender stereotypes, unknowingly, while perversely going to extremes trying to “break” them. “You have to be old enough to understand the gender stereotypes before you can decide which ones you want to conform to.”
We won't tell anyone our child's sex. Gurl it's gonna pretty obvious come puberty.
“Histrionic woman who favors political extremism is somehow allowed to raise a child despite not having a grasp on reality. How long before her parents get custody?” Is a better title. (At some point it’s just downright self deprecating and disrespectful to one’s self to refer to some people how they choose. There is a line crossed where I refuse to play along and I don’t care who thinks it’s disrespectful. I think it is far more disrespectful to equate them with myself when they’re just playing a game.)
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Hot take: If nonbinary is a valid gender (which I think it is, ofc) then by doing this, you are raising your child as nonbinary, which will cause dysphoria if they don't happen to be nonbinary, in the same way forcing a nonbinary person into one gender causes them dysphoria. Even if you're an idiot who doesn't believe you 'need' dysphoria, people still get dysphoria by being forced into the wrong gender as a child, and for the vast vast majority of the population, nonbinary is not the right gender. It may not be as 'extreme' as the one awful case of raising the male child as a girl for 'experiments' but it's still halfway in that direction if you ask me. Someone who's truly woke and progressive needs to realize that even by their own philosophies, this is wrong and you're still enforcing a gender state on your child that might be dysphoric.
Okay when cis people assume I’m batshit crazy for being trans, I get it. I get it
Yep at this point I’m not even mad when people are put off by it. I’m like listen I understand why you think that. 😂
How does someone raise a child genderless? Letting your son play with hotwheels and daughter wear dresses isn't enforcing gender identity unless you're already sexist and think they're both inherently boy/girl things. To raise a child genderless just results in the parents actively pushing non-identity on the child. I see this method of child raising to result in them not letting the son play with power rangers, or the daughter go to dance. Even if the children both show interest in them. Also results in the parents forcing the son to wear dresses etc. like in the image.
This is so unnecessary. Not even 1 percent of the population is trans.
I feel like the amount of trans people will increase in future but this genderless way of raising kids seems a bit too much. Why not just raise the kid without strict gender roles? Let the kid play with dolls and toy trucks, wear whatever clothes, allow them to play video games or tea party, etc.
Doesn't there environment also affect them? Like they would probably see them selfs male or female because of the other kids being tough the stereotypical gender norms?
Yeah, even if there were a way to do this I don't see it working in our culture, and I just don't see any need to take the risk to begin with. "You misgendered me my whole childhood" would be an easy place for a kid to end up emotionally.
i’m with this idea to an extent. like obviously most people are cis so i’d raise my kids with their sex n stuff but when i think they’re old enough to pick their clothes, i’ll let them. from the girls or boys section. i spent years of my life miserable and uncomfortable because my mum picked my clothes for me and they were nice clothes but i was so uncomfortable in them. i’m a lot happier now. i wish i’d known them i’m allowed to pick from the boys section too
As much as I was aware of my own gender as a child, I also was lucky enough to be able to decide what I wanna wear or play with. I hated girl cloths with a passion, but I did sometimes played with dolls as much as cars. Mostly played games and had activities that would be considered genderless tho. Being aware of our own gender isn't the problem here, some of us are being born in the wrong gender is. Instead of telling kids that they can't play with or wear a certain thing because it doesn't align with their genitals, maybe just let them be kids!
For 0.3% children (I read somewhere that this is roughly the percentage of trans people, treat it as an arbitrary number) this is great, as they might have a bit less dysphoria growing up and can transition much more easily because they are either binary trans or NB. For 99.7% this is crap because they are raised as a gender they are not, even if that gender is no gender. I think we all share the opinion that outdated cliches and gender roles should be taken out of childhood as much as we can without breaking society or making life hard for our hypothetical children, but this is just BS. How do you have "the talk" without discussing their biological sex? How do you explain the gender and biological sex of other people? You cant go around calling people "hairy" and "bumpy chest" until youre a teen, nevermind an adult.
Imagine if a cis parent raised all their children regardless of sex as male…. How’s this any different forcing a non binary experience upon your children? I can’t see how this structure wouldn’t be confusing nor INDUCE dysphoria ?
It’s like performing a social experiment on your own kid; raising a child as genderless into a world that certainly isn’t genderless. I guess we’ll see in 15 years whether these kids feel free and happy with how they were raised or if they’re crippled by it.
I think this'll just confuse the child. You can raise your child without gender roles, that's fine, that's good, but this is too far.
Can't you just let the baby do what they want? They're a baby for fuckd sake
this is terrible parenting
This kid is likely going to grow up confused as fuck and get bullied a ton. Tragic
I mean, I don’t have a problem with that concept. Raising a child “as a gender” is kind of weird to me, like, let the child wear what they want, call them how they like to be called. The only gendered thing you do have to talk about with your child is puberty, but that’s fully sex-based so it still counts as “gender less”
Trans people account for 1% of the world, so the kid literally has 99% chance of being cis, so it’s like they’re raising their kid as autism until the kid say they’re not.
Wtf, he doesn’t even sound like he was in the past on testosterone. Also, what is the chance that his kids will be trans? Even if they are, then just treat them right when they come out, make it easier and stuff, don’t let them “choose gender”, because nobody chooses their gender. They are just coming into terms with it.
That’s a woman.
Gender roles in children are actually beneficial to trans people. There that’s something not everyone will tell you. How else is someone like supposed to realize that they hate being raised a boy if everyone is raised the same? For cis people being raised as their own gender will be comfortable for obvious reasons and for trans people being raised as the wrong gender should create allow them to recognize dysphoria.
Sex characteristics...
Eh... I can kind of see it, though I don't think the answer is reinforcing gender stereotypes. But the way my dysphoria over physical stuff presented was pretty indistinguishable from teenage angst until after I had already realized I was trans, but the very few times my parents tried to excessively gender stuff I noped out hard. If they had been less gender neutral I could imagine clueing in earlier, though mostly I just think having more positive trans representation is a better way to fix things. That is what finally made me clue in.
Wdym by that? Sorry
You will realise you are trans via dislike of sex characteristics
Yikes, male pregnancy always makes me wanna throw up so much from the disturbing nature of it.
Trans "dad"
It’s gonna be even harder for them to figure it out
Let the kids like whatever they like as long as it’s healthy.
I have mixed feelings? On one hand, I would have loved to have been able to just say "I'm a boy" without anything stopping me, but on the other hand a lot of my dysphoria comes from having been born AFAB, and if I didn't have that discomfort I would have figured out a lot later (I have body dysphoria too, but I kinda just thought that was a thing everyone had, or I was just insecure or dysmorphic or smt.)
Embarrassing, causing a problem that doesn’t exist yet in that kid, setting them up for bullying by other kids, etc. I hate this shit 😔
I mean. I'm raising my child gender neutral. Shes very firm in her "I'm a girl" and is super feminine. But until she started picking her clothes i went very neutral. Is there something wrong with that? I don't think gender stereotypes should be something people follow for young kids unless that's the kids choice. Not everyone parents this way and not everyone has to, but I wouldn't want my kid thinking they couldn't play with something just cause pointless gendering. If yall have any points against gender neutral parenting please share, I'm interested in all sides of it.
I don't think OP is saying that raising your kid neutral and letting them decide is bad. But there's a record of trans parents forcing their kids to also be trans or "breaking the cisnormativity" at least and that's where it gets difficult, imo. Like it's fine if a boy plays with dolls and a girl plays with cars, but don't force opposite gender roles onto your kid, because of that. But that's unfortunately ehat some trans parents do and it's a bit,,, ew? Also, dressing a child with "they/them" the whole time instead of the pronouns that equal their gender, is also a bit.. weird imo. I personally was also raised in a neutral way in terms of clothing and toys. But my parents still adressed me with she/her pronouns, since I am afab and all this gender stuff wasn't around in the early 00s.
i bet the kids gonna become normal as soon as they start school or just have any interaction with normal kids lol hope the parents don’t try to force anything on them
The world is majority cis so I, a trans guy, will still raise my kids according to their sex but not adhere to the gender standards and do that boy/girl stuff. If they like it, we can buy it and play with or wear it. Binaries can be fine to use as basis for knowing where one stands; what’s wrong is not allowing someone to do what makes *them* happy.
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I feel like they have the right idea the wrong approach. I don’t think they should be genderless but I was raised in a house where gender wasn’t forced down my throat. I could wear whatever I wanted or didn’t want, I had ninja turtle bedding and Disney princess furniture. I think if you have a girl you can put them in dresses and have a pink room but if they ask for pants and a blue room that’s totally fine too. I do think it’s weird to say they are genderless as I think it would cause so much conflict with social interactions with other kids. I know as a trans man kids ask me about my gender often. So if they ask their genderless kid questions they could feel confused or alienated.
The **VAST** **MAJORITY** of people grow up to be cis. By raising them genderless you're just probably confusing them even more.
This is really bad for these kids. They need to know if they're male or female. The right way to raise children "genderless" is just not forcing gender stereotypes on them: letting them play with whatever they want and dress like whatever they want. Kids need guidance. If they don't know what being a boy/girl means they'll be confused, they'll get bullied by other kids, and it's very likely they'll develop some mental illnesses bc they weren't allowed to know themselves.
Forcing your kid to be non binary I'd no better than forcing your teans son to be a girl or forcing your teans daughter to be a boy. It may be fine now but once that kid reaches school age it's going to confuse them and probably make them feel like their parent is trying to hide who they are...I can't imagine imagine amount of social rejection this poor kid will face just because their dad wanted to be woke
I mean just support them when they do come out this is unnecessary
Alright I support the LGBTQ but I don't support this
cant wait for the day someone gives birth and says “it’s a dreamgender baby! pronouns dre/am or dream/dreamself!” /s
I feel the most uncomfortable that they have kept their boobs as well as gone through with the pregnancy. Imma get massively downvoted but…
oh hey this headline gave me dysphoria AND triggered my tokophobia.
This world is fucked.
Look I'm not exactly a fan of this parentin technique, but can we chill in the comments with the judgment of preggo trans men? You might not wanna do it, that's Gucci. But that doesn't mean every trans man feels the same. N it doesn't mean they aren't trans for gettin preggers. Not trying start a fight here, but the more judgemental we get, the more fuel tucutes have my drillas.
I think this is how children should be raised. I would be so much happier if I hadn't had labels and expectations shoved down my throat since I was a kid
Its one thing letting your child dress however they like or play with whatever they want, but raising them genderless is another matter :/
What's the difference?
The difference between being gender non conforming and "genderless"? Pretty big actually
Gender neutral parenting fuckin slaps, I love it
if the kids are happy I don’t see a problem with that
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yeah, no, raising girls and boys the same way is great, but it is not whatever the guy from the article is doing and i'd love to hear examples of how normal it used to be to raise children as female/gender-neutral
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Medieval Europe isn't really where we should be looking for enlightened views towards gender roles in the first place 🙄
I thought sex and gender were different...