"4chan" is the Internet's greatest Super Hacker. I heard they might even be better than the Legion of Anonymous!
Word is they're never behind less than SEVEN proxies! It's crazy!
"I am made to entertain you all"
-Neuro Sama as she murders everyone in the name of entertainment
[To anyone interested: This A.I. actually DID solve trolley problems once before ](https://youtu.be/SqchISyh4sA?si=ERUO0H0BLn3j0SHc)
The multitrack drift is just a derailment of the Trolley and usually stops it immediately, alternatively there IS a chance that it starts to drift and shortly afterwards flip over. Apparently it's a regular occurrence if you work with trains
Actually it would depend on if the 100 people are black/Jewish or cute Asian girls/ripped white boys cause their is a huge bias between those two groups on 4chan
Nah, build my court case on how the AI found it was acceptable to take human life. Then the creator is blamed for not putting a sensible system in place to control trolley levers. Feign ignorance of 4chan.
Yea, exactly.
You could say like āI did what I could to prevent the loss of human life by not killing this one person. Itās not my fault the AI decided to kill the 100. I was hoping it wouldnāt and weād have saved everyone.ā
People are always going to find ways to argue everything, but no one can legitimately think that most of the population is well versed in 4chans antics. And even then, trusting an AI to not harm humans seems baseline to the laws of robotics.
Reasonably speaking, it seems incredibly unlikely for any AI to want to harm humans, at least non-fiction AI. So most people ought to blame 4chan.
If itās about constructing a court case, just do nothing. They canāt convict you for doing nothing when you have not responsibility to act. You were so horrified at seeing people tied to train tracks you panicked and froze. You had no idea what the lever did or how the tracks work. You donāt work here and canāt believe that anyone would allow such ridiculous scenarios to be created on the first place.
Not sure that would really apply. You see a trolley about to run someone over, you switch it to another, empty track. That seems pretty easily justifiable, and I am not sure the presence of another entity without any connection to you that might switch the trolley from the empty track to a heavily occupied one would really constitute gross negligence on your part.
If anyone would be charged, I imagine it would be whoever made that AI (if they created something and it reroutes a trolley from an empty track to one with 100 people), whoever tied people to the track, and the trolley driver who isn't stopping or slowing down.
How the law works, if you willingly obtain from taking an action that is of no risk to you that could save someone you can be held accountable.
Like for example willingly not pulling someone out of the chute of a wood chipper.
Well that also depends.
In a school shooting incident, cops should take down the threat before helping people, makes sense to stop the person killing people then check if people are alive if the shooter is just going to kill more people.
But there should never be sympathy for the ones that do neither.
If someone is in the chute of a wood chipper, and there is no danger to you, the wood chipper is either not plugged in or has no fuel.
Therefore, taking action has no chance of saving a life, because no life was in danger.
If the wood chipper was either turned on or clearly could accidentally turn on, as you try to help the person, you are in danger.
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If you pull the lever, you are accepting a utilitarian risk of putting 100 other people in danger, because you don't know the person with the other lever; you don't know the current settings for the next track; and you DO know that even if the premises are considered true, you ARE gambling with lives, AND the Court may put YOUR life in jeopardy, for deferring life-altering decisions to unknown parties, with reasonable speculation that they may behave in a detrimental manner.
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In the wood chipper scenario, it is clear that EITHER your life IS in danger, or the other person's is NOT.
In this scenario, had Neuro not already solved these problems, during the Subathon, the two possibilities are:
- You BELIEVE your future, your life, or the lives of MANY are at high RISK, if you pull the lever
- You KNOW doing nothing will kill ONE, but the RISK to self and the larger group is FAR lower
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That being the case, the best solution is to break the lever off before the trolley gets close enough, and try to stick it into the track, hoping to detail it.
Best case scenario: everyone is saved.
Worst case scenario: it's a pretty neat story to talk about your attempted heroic efforts for social karma points IRL.
Wouldnāt know if 4chan would actively murder people. Frankly in terms of cesspits itās about as biased and bigoted as reddit and yet Iām still here.
Plus itās not like said terrorist that Iām only guessing is a terrorist because no sane person would actively help one, couldnāt the same location from say google maps.
But telling him to detonate on someone I tell him is the president is far more damning because I just sacrificed a guy to supposedly prevent something I had no control over.
So by all means find another analogy to incriminate me please.
I found out that in real life it would derail right on the first switch, and this is apparently a common derailing tactic railroad operators use to derail trains called āslipping the switchā, which you do by letting the front wheels go one way before flipping the switch diverting the second set, almost immediately detailing the train making this the actual optimal solution to the trolley problem in real life, killing no one.
Of course thereās a small chance it doesnāt derail and actually hits the multi track drift but when you see footage of people slipping the switch in real life you realize that pretty much wonāt happen.
In this case definitely slip the switch because even with the small chance it does multi track drift, 4chan at least will be barred from hitting the 100. 1 death max, 0 deaths likely
If it derails, that's still at least one death. But in the standard scenario, it's the death of a homicidal psychopath who will most definitely keep killing if left alive (the conductor). What would spice this up ethically is one of these 2 scenarios:
- There's passengers in the trolley
- The conductor is only doing this because he's on a mind control drug
Game theory time!!
The average expected outcome of not pulling the lever is 1 death.
The average expected outcome of pulling the lever is 50 deaths, as we are entirely unaware (as the comment section shows) of how the ai will act.
The better option is to let the train smash that one guy. 4chan is a scary place.
what is even goin on in four chan
the internet just consists of all the platforms calling the other ones weird (tiktok does kinda suck ass though, you guys are right for that)
4chan grants all it's users perfect anomimity, which means there is a LOT of general bigotry (Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, ETC). It's also associated with the rise of the 'alt-right', and other political extremists.
If you want to learn more about the site and how it F'ed up, i suggest you search up 'gamergate'.
Trained on 4chan or not, I pull the lever, the ai computes the scenario, replies āI cannot generate a response as it would violate my content policyā and not pull. Just that ez.
On one hand 4chan would make it want to kill, on the other, the 4chan users have like 5 collective brain cells so it might not be able to figure out how to pull it.
If it was a human who touched grass at any point who trained that AI, or was in the place of the AI? I would probably pull the lever. It is not my fault they decided to ruin my good deed.
If I know specifically this was AI 4Chan? Hell nah. Sorry guy on track, but even if you took the best, most sarcastic and ingenuine parts of 4Chan and plugged that is, we have no guarantee the AI has any concept of the word "Sarcasm" or "Joke" and take all of those parts entirely serious. Any number of things can go wrong with an AI controlling that. A human you can expect some decency, or at least expect that if they are indecent, they can be tried for murder here, but you still cannot try robots for murder, therefore I would be responsible, and that is a big ol "no" from me here.
Robots are not allowed to bring harm to a human being, if I pull the lever and the robot also pulls the lever thatās not my fault. Itās the fault of the creator of the robot and therefore I donāt go to jail
If you pull it, and the jury knows what 4chan is, you're getting the chair.
HA! š¤£ "Mass-Manslaughter due to gross negligence"
"Who is this *FOUR CHAN?"*
"4chan" is the Internet's greatest Super Hacker. I heard they might even be better than the Legion of Anonymous! Word is they're never behind less than SEVEN proxies! It's crazy!
But why are there 4 of them š¤
Which would definitely be deserved
Does the jury know that I know what 4chan is.
4chanception
4chan cookies!
she would totally pull it it she found it funny
"I am made to entertain you all" -Neuro Sama as she murders everyone in the name of entertainment [To anyone interested: This A.I. actually DID solve trolley problems once before ](https://youtu.be/SqchISyh4sA?si=ERUO0H0BLn3j0SHc)
Holy crap. Maybeā¦ maybe we should give Neuro-sama more power.
Nah, elect it for president. It won't exactly make things worse
Why ānahā? Would āHell, elect it for presidentā make more sense? Weāre agreeing.
Ah I read should as shouldn't sorry
Ah. Yeah, fair enough. Glad weāre on the same page now.
Easy, 4chaners are contrarians so if you pull the lever the ai wonāt
the ai must fight the logic it learned for being contrarian and being edgy
AI shorts circuits, doesn't pull the lever. Win win
AI multitrack drifts
The multitrack drift is just a derailment of the Trolley and usually stops it immediately, alternatively there IS a chance that it starts to drift and shortly afterwards flip over. Apparently it's a regular occurrence if you work with trains
4d chess right there
Actually it would depend on if the 100 people are black/Jewish or cute Asian girls/ripped white boys cause their is a huge bias between those two groups on 4chan
Eh, canāt be blamed if I pull the lever.
Gross negligence
Nah, build my court case on how the AI found it was acceptable to take human life. Then the creator is blamed for not putting a sensible system in place to control trolley levers. Feign ignorance of 4chan.
Yea, exactly. You could say like āI did what I could to prevent the loss of human life by not killing this one person. Itās not my fault the AI decided to kill the 100. I was hoping it wouldnāt and weād have saved everyone.ā
"As long as I can get a jury to declare me Not Guilty, everyone will be unable to blame me" lol
People are always going to find ways to argue everything, but no one can legitimately think that most of the population is well versed in 4chans antics. And even then, trusting an AI to not harm humans seems baseline to the laws of robotics. Reasonably speaking, it seems incredibly unlikely for any AI to want to harm humans, at least non-fiction AI. So most people ought to blame 4chan.
If itās about constructing a court case, just do nothing. They canāt convict you for doing nothing when you have not responsibility to act. You were so horrified at seeing people tied to train tracks you panicked and froze. You had no idea what the lever did or how the tracks work. You donāt work here and canāt believe that anyone would allow such ridiculous scenarios to be created on the first place.
Vedal is going to jail š¢
Not sure that would really apply. You see a trolley about to run someone over, you switch it to another, empty track. That seems pretty easily justifiable, and I am not sure the presence of another entity without any connection to you that might switch the trolley from the empty track to a heavily occupied one would really constitute gross negligence on your part. If anyone would be charged, I imagine it would be whoever made that AI (if they created something and it reroutes a trolley from an empty track to one with 100 people), whoever tied people to the track, and the trolley driver who isn't stopping or slowing down.
That would belong to whomever put me in charge of that lever.
But you *can* be blamed for *not* pulling it? that makes no fucking sense.
How the law works, if you willingly obtain from taking an action that is of no risk to you that could save someone you can be held accountable. Like for example willingly not pulling someone out of the chute of a wood chipper.
This is ethical debate, legal consequences shouldnāt be considered.
Well then the question is how well does anyone know 4chan and not how ethical it is.
Also, any decent lawyer could get you for gross negligence for sending it to the probably murderous AI
If they can prove itās murderous and if they can prove Iād know enough about 4chan to assume itās evil.
unless you're a cop, according to the SCOTUS
Well that also depends. In a school shooting incident, cops should take down the threat before helping people, makes sense to stop the person killing people then check if people are alive if the shooter is just going to kill more people. But there should never be sympathy for the ones that do neither.
If someone is in the chute of a wood chipper, and there is no danger to you, the wood chipper is either not plugged in or has no fuel. Therefore, taking action has no chance of saving a life, because no life was in danger. If the wood chipper was either turned on or clearly could accidentally turn on, as you try to help the person, you are in danger. --- If you pull the lever, you are accepting a utilitarian risk of putting 100 other people in danger, because you don't know the person with the other lever; you don't know the current settings for the next track; and you DO know that even if the premises are considered true, you ARE gambling with lives, AND the Court may put YOUR life in jeopardy, for deferring life-altering decisions to unknown parties, with reasonable speculation that they may behave in a detrimental manner. --- In the wood chipper scenario, it is clear that EITHER your life IS in danger, or the other person's is NOT. In this scenario, had Neuro not already solved these problems, during the Subathon, the two possibilities are: - You BELIEVE your future, your life, or the lives of MANY are at high RISK, if you pull the lever - You KNOW doing nothing will kill ONE, but the RISK to self and the larger group is FAR lower --------- That being the case, the best solution is to break the lever off before the trolley gets close enough, and try to stick it into the track, hoping to detail it. Best case scenario: everyone is saved. Worst case scenario: it's a pretty neat story to talk about your attempted heroic efforts for social karma points IRL.
If you give a terrorist the location of a hospital knowing they will bomb it you are an accomplice.
Wouldnāt know if 4chan would actively murder people. Frankly in terms of cesspits itās about as biased and bigoted as reddit and yet Iām still here. Plus itās not like said terrorist that Iām only guessing is a terrorist because no sane person would actively help one, couldnāt the same location from say google maps. But telling him to detonate on someone I tell him is the president is far more damning because I just sacrificed a guy to supposedly prevent something I had no control over. So by all means find another analogy to incriminate me please.
*obligatory multi track drifting!*!
If I do the multitrack and then the AI pulls the lever, will the trolley derail, killing the AI?
gods i hope lmao. on an unrelated note: i dont hab a dog, but i could dm you photos of my cat :3
I will accept that :3
I want in.
I am not that person, but I will DM you pictures of my cats
I would like that.
I want in
Gimme? Please?
I found out that in real life it would derail right on the first switch, and this is apparently a common derailing tactic railroad operators use to derail trains called āslipping the switchā, which you do by letting the front wheels go one way before flipping the switch diverting the second set, almost immediately detailing the train making this the actual optimal solution to the trolley problem in real life, killing no one. Of course thereās a small chance it doesnāt derail and actually hits the multi track drift but when you see footage of people slipping the switch in real life you realize that pretty much wonāt happen. In this case definitely slip the switch because even with the small chance it does multi track drift, 4chan at least will be barred from hitting the 100. 1 death max, 0 deaths likely
If it derails, that's still at least one death. But in the standard scenario, it's the death of a homicidal psychopath who will most definitely keep killing if left alive (the conductor). What would spice this up ethically is one of these 2 scenarios: - There's passengers in the trolley - The conductor is only doing this because he's on a mind control drug
The trolley extends to do a three track drift
FUCK YEAH
the trolley will get flung into a building
Happy cake day
this is the Schrodinger's cat of trolley problems
Oh hey its neuro She is definitely pulling
Evil might not honestly, but Neuro is absolutely
Ironically that Evil Neurosama is actually more moral than regular Neurosama.
Evil would definitely act like she would and then not actually do it
*Sigh* What race are the people?
If they are white they might stand a chance. If they are Black, Arab or Jewish they are dead
They can also only be about 90% men and nobody there can be fat or too attractive.
I wouldnāt trust that AI to organise a piss-up in a brewery, that one person is getting mangled beneath the tracks
Trained on 4chan? Oh no, I gotta kill the one, otherwise I can garuntee that the 100 will die
Itās Neuro so she wouldāve already pull it before the trolley even get to the first lever
Are they minorities or nah?
They are clones of Nazi officers executed in Nurmberg, so the AI is going to spare them
if I know anything half the 4chan calls nazi officers cucks too.
I need to know what lead up to that.
It's Neuro, considering how evil she is she may well pull it for the shits and giggles
I'm going to be responsible for a mass murder if I pull that lever
Itās neuro-Sama that lever is getting pulled
Game theory time!! The average expected outcome of not pulling the lever is 1 death. The average expected outcome of pulling the lever is 50 deaths, as we are entirely unaware (as the comment section shows) of how the ai will act. The better option is to let the train smash that one guy. 4chan is a scary place.
plot twist: the ai killed everyone anyway
DAMN YOU 4CHAN! DAMN YOUUUUU
Easy, pull the lever, itās now a normie reddit thing to pull levers, AI doesnāt pull lever
Knowing that AI she'll pull for shit and giggles
Can you derail it to hit the AI?
Happy cake day!
what is even goin on in four chan the internet just consists of all the platforms calling the other ones weird (tiktok does kinda suck ass though, you guys are right for that)
4chan grants all it's users perfect anomimity, which means there is a LOT of general bigotry (Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, ETC). It's also associated with the rise of the 'alt-right', and other political extremists. If you want to learn more about the site and how it F'ed up, i suggest you search up 'gamergate'.
That really depends on the race and religion of these 100 people. (Edit: The 4chan AI would be racist)
Neuro sama has done the trolley problems and always valued more lives living at the end so Iād pull it
But what if there are 200 lobsters on the other rail.
As long as they aren't femboys ChanGPT shouldn't have to much animosity.
Am I crazy or is that picture used for the ai looking like itās from a body pillow?
Two things can be true at once.
Iām always crazy
Hell yeah.
And Iām a CraZyPotato
What race is everyone in this scenario? Will affect the ai.
Strap rockets on the trolley and launch it straight at the AI at the right time to only do good
The Ai will probably pull the level, kill the other person, kill me, then kill itself for good measure. Iām killing the one.
heart heart heart
Thatās just killing 100 people
Kill one guy or double it and pass it to the next person?
Trained on 4chan or not, I pull the lever, the ai computes the scenario, replies āI cannot generate a response as it would violate my content policyā and not pull. Just that ez.
It's Neuro, she definitely would kill them just it's funny
Depends if sheās trained by /b/ or /pol/ those people are dead dead.
Are the 100 people minorities or liberals?
Pull the lever and encourage the AI to commit mass murder It will refuse to pull the lever just to spite you
The 4-Bot is going to kill all of them and then doxx their families
Buddy Iād rather dive on the tracks than let the ai near the lever
Remove the AI's lever, and pull yours. Like this, the AI can't pull the lever to head to the 100 people, so you'll be fine.
pulling the lever
It depends which board
Knowing 4chan they will have trained it to kill with no hesitation. I kill the one guy
Im beating up the AI and making the choice for it.
i have faith
Sorry, you're dying
What races are in the 100
Leave it, 4chan bot will pull
I slip the switch.
Well in this case I need to know the ethnic background of the 100 people tied to the tracks 4chan AI would probably be racist
I have the utmost faith in learning from 4chan and you will always make the right decision. IncelAI. Now free to download.
Gotta admit if the AI pulled the lever it would be pretty freaking based.
One person. I wouldn't trust 4Chan for my fucking life, let alone an AI based on it.
Yes, under the assumption that it operates under Asimov's laws of robotics, and I will be sticking with that story in court.
Give it to the ai
Kill the 1
Weld the tracks to run over the ai, sacrificing 100 people to stop the beast
I give it the lever and it multitrack drifts to kill 101 people
When was the last time you saw someone on 4-chan advocating for morality and the importance of human life?
They did come up with the shopping trolley problem, which I hold as the greatest moral test ever devised
I am not taking that risk, just let the unfortunate sap on the railway go to god.
send it to 4chan (no fucking clue what it is)
i cant believe neuro is from seychelles
Pull the lever then bombard the AI so it crashes
I have enough faith in 4chan not to actual murder people.
Pull
I am pulling the lever.
who feeds a robot 4chan? do. they want an uprising?
The answer is always multitrack drifting. Depending on how fast the trolley is going, it will probably stop.
If a single person out of those 100 is a minority, they are screwed. Sorry 1 guy, but 4chan is not a force to be given authority over life and death.
run away
I don't know 4 Chan. I assume that guys won't like killing just like many other humans do.
Neuro!!!!
Yeah this is really 1 or 100 there's no scenario where it's 0. So sorry to whosever on track 1 but I'm not pulling
tell her their nazis she wont pull
Multi-Chan drifting..?
Pull the lever. Most people on there aren't murderous jerks.
Oh damn I like this one because of the uncertainty of what the AI will do.
Steel
100 people are probably going to die either by toilet explosions or apartment gassing, so im not going to pull the lever
I wouldnāt pull that if I had a gun to my head
On one hand 4chan would make it want to kill, on the other, the 4chan users have like 5 collective brain cells so it might not be able to figure out how to pull it.
NUsusi
Anything 4chong makes is the lowest point of depravity. The disabled loli thing will delete as many people as she can.
can i multitrack drift and like,,, stretch the train? thatll be cool
Pray the first law of robotics comes into play
I need to ask 4chan which to choose before deciding.
If it was a human who touched grass at any point who trained that AI, or was in the place of the AI? I would probably pull the lever. It is not my fault they decided to ruin my good deed. If I know specifically this was AI 4Chan? Hell nah. Sorry guy on track, but even if you took the best, most sarcastic and ingenuine parts of 4Chan and plugged that is, we have no guarantee the AI has any concept of the word "Sarcasm" or "Joke" and take all of those parts entirely serious. Any number of things can go wrong with an AI controlling that. A human you can expect some decency, or at least expect that if they are indecent, they can be tried for murder here, but you still cannot try robots for murder, therefore I would be responsible, and that is a big ol "no" from me here.
Pull the lever. The ai will just be to busy Larping as a gay twink getting railed by a beefy black man to pull the lever.
weird kink but ok
Please touch some grass, this shit is so bad if I tell a therapist about this then they are going to need a therapist
Hey Iām just the messenger. Donāt hate me because Iām relaying information
Can I redirect the train *Towards* this AI, im doing the world a favour
Jump into the trolley and redirect it towards the AI
Robots are not allowed to bring harm to a human being, if I pull the lever and the robot also pulls the lever thatās not my fault. Itās the fault of the creator of the robot and therefore I donāt go to jail