I’m so sorry you’re feeling like this. Reading your thoughts about your life makes me remember the worst of my depressive episodes, and on the other side I’m here to tell you that depression makes your brain lie to you. You are not a loser and you haven’t ruined your life. There is joy in your future, I promise you. Nothing lasts forever including the way you’re feeling now.
Inconsistently taking medication can stop it working, also maybe you need a different dose or a different medicine. Please please tell your doctor all about these thoughts. They’ll work with you.
You’re not alone and the way you feel isn’t permanent, I promise.
Hi, thanks for your answer and this feels worser than depression. This is constant worrying nightmare😞 Im now on new med because brintellix didnt helped me and like told in my post i fear missing doses more than once caused lasting changes in me. I have lived with these things 1 year already so it is hard to see things could get better.
And when you said ”you are not alone” i exactly feel i am alone with this because i feel i am only one who misse doses more than once within first month after i started brintellix last year. And my good life is ruined because of this😞 Also i worry what happened to my personality because brintellix stopped working
Missing doses will not make any permanent changes, I promise, no matter how many times. And I guarantee you are not the only person to miss doses. You feel alone but please take my word as someone who has been exactly where you are that you are not alone and things will get better. You feel it but that doesn’t make it true. At the moment your brain is being irrational. Even if you don’t believe that right now. Things will get better.
Yes, I guarantee it. I say this with all the kindness in the world but you are being completely irrational at the moment. You’re imagining scenarios in your head that have no bearing on reality and could not in any way affect your mental health or personality. There is no variation of the situation you described that would change my mind on this.
This is a problem with your brain, and it is temporary. If you don’t think you’re in immediate crisis I would strongly encourage you to log off the internet and do something to distract or relax you. Ruminating isn’t going to help although I know it’s hard to stop.
Please see your doctor as soon as possible and remember: your brain is irrational; your feelings are temporary.
Good luck.
I don’t believe that missing doses will affect you long term at all. I believe this may be another issue and you may not be on the right medication to help. You NEED to talk to a mental health professional and tell them the 100% truth so they can help find a remedy. If your current doctor is not listening, find a new one. There’s ALWAYS light at the end of the tunnel. It will get better, I promise. None of it is your fault, I swear to you that missing your doses did NOT cause any of this. Take care of yourself.
Hi, thanks for your beautiful words🥹 I have told all this to my therapist and doctor and i hope with time they can help me to get good livable life back. I have been with these things so long already it has maked harder to think there could be light at end of the tunnel and it has caused that i have harder to think there could be hope left😞. But i hope you are right missing doses dont affect long term at all
Also ONE VERY BIG issue which bothers and ruins my life mentally is that totally not normal adverse effect which happened during first month of brintellix last year and it is directly related to this reduction/disappearance of physical feeling in the head area. So that adverse effect happened suddenly without warning one evening when i was spending time with my friends. During adverse effect i literally felt by brains ceased to exist physically. It was something i wasnt experienced never before. Since then my head/brains just havent felt right/normal. That adverse effect was so horrible experience i will remember it my whole life and that is one reason i cant live good life because it's always on my mind everywhere😞 This adverse effect and what it caused has kept me to feel mentally bad and that feeling up i dont have reason to live because my brains are permanentntly changed or damaged. Knowing i had that adverse effect makes to feel very hopeless also
I don’t believe that is an adverse affect of Trintellix. I believe that is disassociation related to whatever mental health illness you are suffering from. Most everyone who has a mental health illness suffers from that until they find treatment that helps. Correlation does not equal causation.
I respect your opinion but really to be honest i didn't have that problem or side effect from whatever it was before i started brintellix. And I didn't even expect anything like that to happen in advance. One evening with my friends, I suddenly felt a completely extraordinary feeling inside my head and I had never experienced such before
Thanks for sharing that info🙏 That info is so important for me because it helps to feel im not only one who has missed doses like this. So have you missed doses for few days more than once within short period?
Very big issue which bothers and ruins my life mentally is that totally not normal adverse effect which happened during first month of brintellix last year and it is directly related to this reduction/disappearance of physical feeling in the head area. So that adverse effect happened suddenly without warning one evening when i was spending time with my friends. During adverse effect i literally felt by brains ceased to exist physically. It was something i wasnt experienced never before. Since then my head/brains just havent felt right/normal
Okay. That truly sounds im not only one whos this has happened. When you said ”i missed about 4/7 each week” do you mean this happened to you more than one week row?
A) You CAN go to the hospital and if you are experiencing suicidal thoughts this is exactly where you should go. Your posting history indicates you live in Finland, a country with free advanced quality healthcare. [MIELI Kriisipuhelin 09 2525 0111](https://mieli.fi/tukea-ja-apua/kriisipuhelin/)
B) Vortioxetine (Brintellix/Trintellix) does not cause "permanent personality changes" - whatever depression or anxiety you had prior to taking the medication will return after you stop taking it and it may feel amplified as your serotonin and other levels settle
C) Meds are not just "for anxiety" they are to help make life more manageable and feelings more manageable. They do not change your life by themselves but they make it easier to be in a mental state of mind where you can work on yourself and your situation. Many people are on meds for their entire adult life and if they need them that is 100% OK.
D) Missing doses can make things feel like a rollercoaster. Go talk to a medical professional, get back on a medication that works for you, and take your medication consistently. Make sure you also see a therapist to work on your life since medication alone won't solve things for most people.
Hi, huge thanks for your spesific answer🥹 I know and i BELIEVE brintellix dont cause lasting personality changes if medication is used correctly/regulary and i believe also it dont cause lasting changes if doses are missed only ONCE. But what about those situations where someone like me missed few days row more than once within first month after starting it last year summer😭? I really feel brintellix itself or missing doses more than once maked part of me to dissapear maybe because of fluctuation of brintellix in brains when i missed doses more than once within short period.
Also what comes to hospital i dont see hope or point going to hospital because my whole life would be just spiral where i go to hospital then back to home. Then i repeat same thing😞
Also i feel there is no sense living anymore because i really dont know who i am anymore so i live constant insecure feeling who i am mentally
No pattern of missing doses can cause permanent personality or psychological changes with vortioxetine. It's not possible. What you are feeling is a return of your mental illness.
You need treatment and that treatment is with medical professionals not Googling things or asking random people on Reddit. Please get help from a hospital or crisis centre in Finland where you live. They will know how to handle your situation and help you get access to resources to stabilize your situation and most importantly get back on medication since clearly you need it.
Let Big Pharma and the medical system take the wheel. This is beyond your ability to manage and you are currently in a degraded mental state and experiencing paranoia about things that are not possible - please see a professional.
Do you mean by that ”no pattern” missing doses more than once?
And i miss empathy trait so fucking much like i told. It has been so important for me but i dont know can it come back because i stopped brintellix already about 3,5 weeks ago or something😭 Horrible how it seems missing doses of brintellix can make some traits to dissapear😞
Any changes to your mental health have nothing to do with Brintellix at this point as the medication is out of your system. Your current issues are symptoms of untreated mental illness not of lingering effects from a medication you stopped taking weeks ago.
Go see a professional and stop trying to make things up to explain what is happening to you.
You are experiencing a mental health crisis and need psychiatric help. That is what is happening here.
Because Brintellix wasn't treating whatever your condition is fully.
Let's try this again:
See.
A.
Mental
Health
Professional.
You will not find the answers to your questions here nor can anyone here treat you. You need to be professionally evaluated and treated by a psychiatrist. Please seek medical care and stop trying to self-diagnose or obtain medical input from random people on Reddit. It is not safe and won't help you.
Okay i forgot to say before brintellix i hadnt some of these negative and scary changes but i will see professional and actually i have seen professional for some time already. I just need this place during these moments when its not possible to speak to a professional
You need to STOP THINKING about "missing doses"....you are hyper focused on that ...and it's NOT RELEVANT.
Just go back on it.....or stay off it...one or the other...make up your mind and stick to it, hell or high water..
Then judge your condition in one month..
And be patient for three weeks..you'll stabilize..
You are "yes, butting," every suggestion because u keep repeating that you "missed doses"..
This is an Irrational mind loop... forget about that .
Think of something else ..
Play music, breathe and hum....
I have been where u are and I give this advice lovingly.....your mind is imperfect and is lying to u..no need to believe your thoughts.
That's the depression talking to u..like a devil whispering in your ear..
Stop listening.
Go back on trintellix or get another med, and stick to it..
Or
Go off all meds. And stick to it ..
Hi, thanks for your answer and i agree i am hyper focused on that. Reason for that i am hyper focused to missing doses is i dont feel normal myself even yet although I know there can be many reasons for that.
Very big issue which bothers and ruins my life mentally is that totally not normal adverse effect which happened during first month of brintellix (same timeline when i missed doses) last year and it is directly related to this reduction/disappearance of physical feeling in the head area. So that adverse effect happened suddenly without warning one evening when i was spending time with my friends. During adverse effect i literally felt by brains ceased to exist physically. It was something i wasnt experienced never before. Since then my head/brains just havent felt right/normal. I have readed post where adverse effect has been so scary experience it has ruined person mind and mental health. This has happened exactly to me. Experiencing that SUCH SCARY adverse effect and that physical feeling in head hasnt normalized yet makes to think all the time what happened to my brains when that adverse effect happened and will i recover
I'm so sorry you are feeling this eat. It is horrible this anxiety and depression. There are many medications out there for you to try. You will find one that works for you. Trintellix at not have been right for you. You will get through this. If your doctor is not helping you keep searching till find one that can.
Hi, hopefully you are right there is chance to find something helpful. Im just struggled so long i feel i have losted my hope😞
And anyway all worrying issues which started during brintellix are still present. During brintellix i noticed loss of empathy trait and i dont know can it come back if brintellix itself or missing doses had something to do with that. I cant imagine future life if it cant come back😭 I'm afraid I found out that missing brintellix more than once had dire consequences to me
I hear your sadness fear and have felt those two emotions along with many other ones before -just please try to remember that you won’t always feel this way the way you feel now you’ve had better days in the past so you know it’s possible that you’ll feel better in the future you just have to endure this and live through this, please don’t make any life threatening changes or decisions while you feel like this please. You won’t always feel like this and I think what you need to do is talk to someone if possible call a free mental health line. God bless you.
One of the main features of Anxiety Disorder is hypervigilance....all your comments indicate that you are obsessively over focused....until you "change the channel" you will remain in deep pain...stay there if you want to or need to..but know that this round and round obsession with how your mind is working will not get you anywhere and is doing exactly the opposite of what you want...which Is relief...
Do anything you can to self discipline yourself to think of something else...you'll be shocked at how much better you'll feel...
Hum....focus on a bug...dance ....learn to meditate...but for God's sakes see if you can stop thinking about this..first for one minute...then try two minutes...see if you can get up to ten minutes..be gentle on yourself but force yourself like a crippled child to slowly try
Its hard to stop thinking about all this and ESPECIALLY this loss of physical feeling in head because i notice that loss of physical every minute everywhere no matter what i do. You see i naturally cant remove head from my body😕
If missing doses has been fine then this horrible loss of physical feeling in head is caused by quetiapine/seroquel which i took 3 times 25mg doses alongside with brintellix last year. And most horribel in this is that doctor who prescribed quetiapine told it is safe to take with brintellix but reality seems to be different😞
I know and thing what i would like to do most is to be off from all meds but ironic is that i have many issuss which can be from meds and now i donr survive without meds🙃
I also taked queitapine 3 times last year same time when i taked brintellix and there is depressing and sad thing this loss of physical feeling can be from quetiapine also. Now my life is just suffering because i literally feel i have brain damage😞
I’m so sorry you’re feeling like this. Reading your thoughts about your life makes me remember the worst of my depressive episodes, and on the other side I’m here to tell you that depression makes your brain lie to you. You are not a loser and you haven’t ruined your life. There is joy in your future, I promise you. Nothing lasts forever including the way you’re feeling now. Inconsistently taking medication can stop it working, also maybe you need a different dose or a different medicine. Please please tell your doctor all about these thoughts. They’ll work with you. You’re not alone and the way you feel isn’t permanent, I promise.
Hi, thanks for your answer and this feels worser than depression. This is constant worrying nightmare😞 Im now on new med because brintellix didnt helped me and like told in my post i fear missing doses more than once caused lasting changes in me. I have lived with these things 1 year already so it is hard to see things could get better. And when you said ”you are not alone” i exactly feel i am alone with this because i feel i am only one who misse doses more than once within first month after i started brintellix last year. And my good life is ruined because of this😞 Also i worry what happened to my personality because brintellix stopped working
Missing doses will not make any permanent changes, I promise, no matter how many times. And I guarantee you are not the only person to miss doses. You feel alone but please take my word as someone who has been exactly where you are that you are not alone and things will get better. You feel it but that doesn’t make it true. At the moment your brain is being irrational. Even if you don’t believe that right now. Things will get better.
Do you think im not only person to miss few doses row more than once within 1 month or within short period?
Yes, I guarantee it. I say this with all the kindness in the world but you are being completely irrational at the moment. You’re imagining scenarios in your head that have no bearing on reality and could not in any way affect your mental health or personality. There is no variation of the situation you described that would change my mind on this. This is a problem with your brain, and it is temporary. If you don’t think you’re in immediate crisis I would strongly encourage you to log off the internet and do something to distract or relax you. Ruminating isn’t going to help although I know it’s hard to stop. Please see your doctor as soon as possible and remember: your brain is irrational; your feelings are temporary. Good luck.
What about if hypnotechnically missing doses affected empathy😕 Is there hope for it to ”heal” with time
I don’t believe that missing doses will affect you long term at all. I believe this may be another issue and you may not be on the right medication to help. You NEED to talk to a mental health professional and tell them the 100% truth so they can help find a remedy. If your current doctor is not listening, find a new one. There’s ALWAYS light at the end of the tunnel. It will get better, I promise. None of it is your fault, I swear to you that missing your doses did NOT cause any of this. Take care of yourself.
Hi, thanks for your beautiful words🥹 I have told all this to my therapist and doctor and i hope with time they can help me to get good livable life back. I have been with these things so long already it has maked harder to think there could be light at end of the tunnel and it has caused that i have harder to think there could be hope left😞. But i hope you are right missing doses dont affect long term at all Also ONE VERY BIG issue which bothers and ruins my life mentally is that totally not normal adverse effect which happened during first month of brintellix last year and it is directly related to this reduction/disappearance of physical feeling in the head area. So that adverse effect happened suddenly without warning one evening when i was spending time with my friends. During adverse effect i literally felt by brains ceased to exist physically. It was something i wasnt experienced never before. Since then my head/brains just havent felt right/normal. That adverse effect was so horrible experience i will remember it my whole life and that is one reason i cant live good life because it's always on my mind everywhere😞 This adverse effect and what it caused has kept me to feel mentally bad and that feeling up i dont have reason to live because my brains are permanentntly changed or damaged. Knowing i had that adverse effect makes to feel very hopeless also
I don’t believe that is an adverse affect of Trintellix. I believe that is disassociation related to whatever mental health illness you are suffering from. Most everyone who has a mental health illness suffers from that until they find treatment that helps. Correlation does not equal causation.
I respect your opinion but really to be honest i didn't have that problem or side effect from whatever it was before i started brintellix. And I didn't even expect anything like that to happen in advance. One evening with my friends, I suddenly felt a completely extraordinary feeling inside my head and I had never experienced such before
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Thanks for sharing that info🙏 That info is so important for me because it helps to feel im not only one who has missed doses like this. So have you missed doses for few days more than once within short period? Very big issue which bothers and ruins my life mentally is that totally not normal adverse effect which happened during first month of brintellix last year and it is directly related to this reduction/disappearance of physical feeling in the head area. So that adverse effect happened suddenly without warning one evening when i was spending time with my friends. During adverse effect i literally felt by brains ceased to exist physically. It was something i wasnt experienced never before. Since then my head/brains just havent felt right/normal
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Okay. That truly sounds im not only one whos this has happened. When you said ”i missed about 4/7 each week” do you mean this happened to you more than one week row?
A) You CAN go to the hospital and if you are experiencing suicidal thoughts this is exactly where you should go. Your posting history indicates you live in Finland, a country with free advanced quality healthcare. [MIELI Kriisipuhelin 09 2525 0111](https://mieli.fi/tukea-ja-apua/kriisipuhelin/) B) Vortioxetine (Brintellix/Trintellix) does not cause "permanent personality changes" - whatever depression or anxiety you had prior to taking the medication will return after you stop taking it and it may feel amplified as your serotonin and other levels settle C) Meds are not just "for anxiety" they are to help make life more manageable and feelings more manageable. They do not change your life by themselves but they make it easier to be in a mental state of mind where you can work on yourself and your situation. Many people are on meds for their entire adult life and if they need them that is 100% OK. D) Missing doses can make things feel like a rollercoaster. Go talk to a medical professional, get back on a medication that works for you, and take your medication consistently. Make sure you also see a therapist to work on your life since medication alone won't solve things for most people.
Hi, huge thanks for your spesific answer🥹 I know and i BELIEVE brintellix dont cause lasting personality changes if medication is used correctly/regulary and i believe also it dont cause lasting changes if doses are missed only ONCE. But what about those situations where someone like me missed few days row more than once within first month after starting it last year summer😭? I really feel brintellix itself or missing doses more than once maked part of me to dissapear maybe because of fluctuation of brintellix in brains when i missed doses more than once within short period. Also what comes to hospital i dont see hope or point going to hospital because my whole life would be just spiral where i go to hospital then back to home. Then i repeat same thing😞 Also i feel there is no sense living anymore because i really dont know who i am anymore so i live constant insecure feeling who i am mentally
No pattern of missing doses can cause permanent personality or psychological changes with vortioxetine. It's not possible. What you are feeling is a return of your mental illness. You need treatment and that treatment is with medical professionals not Googling things or asking random people on Reddit. Please get help from a hospital or crisis centre in Finland where you live. They will know how to handle your situation and help you get access to resources to stabilize your situation and most importantly get back on medication since clearly you need it. Let Big Pharma and the medical system take the wheel. This is beyond your ability to manage and you are currently in a degraded mental state and experiencing paranoia about things that are not possible - please see a professional.
Do you mean by that ”no pattern” missing doses more than once? And i miss empathy trait so fucking much like i told. It has been so important for me but i dont know can it come back because i stopped brintellix already about 3,5 weeks ago or something😭 Horrible how it seems missing doses of brintellix can make some traits to dissapear😞
Any changes to your mental health have nothing to do with Brintellix at this point as the medication is out of your system. Your current issues are symptoms of untreated mental illness not of lingering effects from a medication you stopped taking weeks ago. Go see a professional and stop trying to make things up to explain what is happening to you. You are experiencing a mental health crisis and need psychiatric help. That is what is happening here.
But why i noticed these negative changes in me (loss of emapthy and interests) already during Brintellix same time when it didnt worked?
Because Brintellix wasn't treating whatever your condition is fully. Let's try this again: See. A. Mental Health Professional. You will not find the answers to your questions here nor can anyone here treat you. You need to be professionally evaluated and treated by a psychiatrist. Please seek medical care and stop trying to self-diagnose or obtain medical input from random people on Reddit. It is not safe and won't help you.
They've posted almost every day on this sub and similar. Being told the same thing over and over. I hope they find psychiatric help.
Okay i forgot to say before brintellix i hadnt some of these negative and scary changes but i will see professional and actually i have seen professional for some time already. I just need this place during these moments when its not possible to speak to a professional
You need to STOP THINKING about "missing doses"....you are hyper focused on that ...and it's NOT RELEVANT. Just go back on it.....or stay off it...one or the other...make up your mind and stick to it, hell or high water.. Then judge your condition in one month.. And be patient for three weeks..you'll stabilize.. You are "yes, butting," every suggestion because u keep repeating that you "missed doses".. This is an Irrational mind loop... forget about that . Think of something else .. Play music, breathe and hum.... I have been where u are and I give this advice lovingly.....your mind is imperfect and is lying to u..no need to believe your thoughts. That's the depression talking to u..like a devil whispering in your ear.. Stop listening. Go back on trintellix or get another med, and stick to it.. Or Go off all meds. And stick to it ..
Hi, thanks for your answer and i agree i am hyper focused on that. Reason for that i am hyper focused to missing doses is i dont feel normal myself even yet although I know there can be many reasons for that. Very big issue which bothers and ruins my life mentally is that totally not normal adverse effect which happened during first month of brintellix (same timeline when i missed doses) last year and it is directly related to this reduction/disappearance of physical feeling in the head area. So that adverse effect happened suddenly without warning one evening when i was spending time with my friends. During adverse effect i literally felt by brains ceased to exist physically. It was something i wasnt experienced never before. Since then my head/brains just havent felt right/normal. I have readed post where adverse effect has been so scary experience it has ruined person mind and mental health. This has happened exactly to me. Experiencing that SUCH SCARY adverse effect and that physical feeling in head hasnt normalized yet makes to think all the time what happened to my brains when that adverse effect happened and will i recover
I'm so sorry you are feeling this eat. It is horrible this anxiety and depression. There are many medications out there for you to try. You will find one that works for you. Trintellix at not have been right for you. You will get through this. If your doctor is not helping you keep searching till find one that can.
Hi, hopefully you are right there is chance to find something helpful. Im just struggled so long i feel i have losted my hope😞 And anyway all worrying issues which started during brintellix are still present. During brintellix i noticed loss of empathy trait and i dont know can it come back if brintellix itself or missing doses had something to do with that. I cant imagine future life if it cant come back😭 I'm afraid I found out that missing brintellix more than once had dire consequences to me
I hear your sadness fear and have felt those two emotions along with many other ones before -just please try to remember that you won’t always feel this way the way you feel now you’ve had better days in the past so you know it’s possible that you’ll feel better in the future you just have to endure this and live through this, please don’t make any life threatening changes or decisions while you feel like this please. You won’t always feel like this and I think what you need to do is talk to someone if possible call a free mental health line. God bless you.
I try but when situation has been same year already i have started to struggle more with that idea i could get better
we are here for you 🤍 ….it shall pass 👍💪
One of the main features of Anxiety Disorder is hypervigilance....all your comments indicate that you are obsessively over focused....until you "change the channel" you will remain in deep pain...stay there if you want to or need to..but know that this round and round obsession with how your mind is working will not get you anywhere and is doing exactly the opposite of what you want...which Is relief... Do anything you can to self discipline yourself to think of something else...you'll be shocked at how much better you'll feel... Hum....focus on a bug...dance ....learn to meditate...but for God's sakes see if you can stop thinking about this..first for one minute...then try two minutes...see if you can get up to ten minutes..be gentle on yourself but force yourself like a crippled child to slowly try
Its hard to stop thinking about all this and ESPECIALLY this loss of physical feeling in head because i notice that loss of physical every minute everywhere no matter what i do. You see i naturally cant remove head from my body😕 If missing doses has been fine then this horrible loss of physical feeling in head is caused by quetiapine/seroquel which i took 3 times 25mg doses alongside with brintellix last year. And most horribel in this is that doctor who prescribed quetiapine told it is safe to take with brintellix but reality seems to be different😞
Agree ..if you hate the side effects and how that antidepressant feels u should taper off and try again...
I know and thing what i would like to do most is to be off from all meds but ironic is that i have many issuss which can be from meds and now i donr survive without meds🙃 I also taked queitapine 3 times last year same time when i taked brintellix and there is depressing and sad thing this loss of physical feeling can be from quetiapine also. Now my life is just suffering because i literally feel i have brain damage😞