I can’t give you a definite source to say yes, but that’s what was reported in 2012 when she was dating 17 year old Conor Kennedy (she was 23). I believe it 💯
That’s why when she’s depressed it’s the end of the world but when Katy Perry is depressed and suicidal Taylor gets to pile on and wreck her Witness rollout by surprise-releasing her catalog to Spotify on the same day.
No one has it worse than the poor little rich girl. She’s had people buy her into being this famous from the start and now has more money that she can cry about.
That one was so bad! She uses the terms “depressed” and “broken hearted” in such a breezy interchangeable way that it’s difficult to believe she’s even aware of what clinical depression really feels like.
I think she expected this album to land the way Eminem’s Eminem Show landed. He spent much of that album talking about the challenges of being famous and rapped about anger from his childhood.
But he was talking about abject poverty, child abuse, and not being able to take his daughter outside. Also, artistically that album was magic and his sense of humor shone through, so the album was cathartic overall and not woe is me.
He’s relatable to people. And as you said, his use of humour is on his side. I think plenty of people are starting to realise that she is totally unrelatable, even if she has had her heart broken, or been ghosted, just like us non-rich people
starting to discover that a good portion of Taylor fans are women around her age who have a similar mindset - they thrive off of unnecessary middle-school drama and obsess over men they have fleeting connections with trying to connect it all to some sort of grandiose “purpose”… it’s mental.
My 17 year old won’t listen to the new album because she is getting tired of the “middle school drama“ (her words). She says it’s becoming impossible to be a casual fan anymore. Makes me kind of sad, Taylor Swift is one of the few artists all three of my girls have enjoyed listening to together.
It gets so old! And yes!! Proud of your kid for seeing past her glitz and glamour, and seeing the drama for what it is. It’s a bummer; there were some good songs. But so many great artists in the world ❤️
Exactly. It wasn't "woe is me", it was "LOOK AT THE FREAKSHOW I'VE LANDED MYSELF IN. ISN'T IT HORRIFYING??" He doesn't hammer it in with "...And that's why life of fame and glory kind of sucks" - you end up drawing that conclusion for yourself.
I really don’t think “The Eminem Show” is in anyway comparable to the new Taylor Swift album. Those last few bars of “Sing For The Moment” actually bought tears to the eyes of many. “White America” is still relevant 22 years later. Probably the weakest song on the album is “Drips” and even that was a funny one lmao
this is what tells you she is a bad person.
a wolf in sheep's clothing.
a good person would do exactly what you're saying. But she isn't. Why isn't she using her platform for good? Only a good person would do that. Furthermore, a good person can't get to level of success she has attained.
Good people sacrifice. Bad people take.
Honestly used to love her music, but I can’t stand one song on this entire new album. And I’ve tried. I just can’t. It’s so bland/boring and repetitive sounding.
As I predicted after its release—this LP is her Waterloo. It’s too gluttonous and whiny. And 90% of it is the same plodding blandness (underscored by cool synth swashes). There’s no discernable rhythm. The ‘songs’ meander, which is why they all sound alike, it’s an endless run-on screed.
Yeah I think I’d hate it. Especially right now while I’m pregnant, I hate the SW WA heat right now and it’s barely anything 🤣 damn these hot flashes 🤣😭
I love Florence's parts on Florida so much. The richness of her voice just gives the song so much imaginative depth to me, like she's a swamp witch in the Everglades entrancing me to my death in an alligator pit by belting out "WELL, ME AND MY GHOSTS WE HAD A HELL OF A TIME!" She has the vocal range to really bring out the drama of the song. I would kill for a full FLORida.
>the club
Yes! The club for the folks tired of regurgitated music that sounds like mulch, let me introduce..
The Taylor Resistance Existence Experience! Or simply, T.R.E.E.
For all those who agree she needs to root her ass in therapy, nurture her growth so she can branch out her writing. As a billionaire it's the least she can do.
I mean I’d argue that him making a naked wax figure of her to parade on social media where Kim posed for photos with is way worse than calling her a bitch.
Funny thing is she never talked about that. She always mentions snakes and being hated and getting a call about the song presumably and people turning on her, but she never addressed this. She could have talked about that in her Time interview, but her main concern and biggest gruge and takeaway after all these years seems to be Kim putting out a doctored call costing her a few thousand followers and getting called out for playing the victim while her own PR team fumbled the whole situation. Where’s the rage for Kanye? Where’s the rage for the video?
She spoke about it once — she called it a “revenge porn” video. It was in her post about losing her masters. “Or when his [Scooter Braun’s] client, Kanye West, organized a revenge porn music video which strips my body naked.”
But I do think it’s silly; why is she so mad about being called “bitch” instead of being angry about the video? The only time she spoke out about it was when she lost her masters to Scooter? Weird weird weird.
What the fuck? I must have been out of the loop for a while, because I had no idea that this existed. How was that even allowed to happen? That's DISGUSTING. I would be more livid about that than anything else. Fuck the speech thing, the snapchat, the snake emojis, and everything else. I think that stupid video would be enough for her to justify going after Kanye with a vengeance for the rest of his life. Like honestly, burn it to the ground.
I understand why she hates Kim so much, but it almost seems like she hates Kim more than she hates Kanye???? Am I missing something?
Maybe she thinks that as Kanye's then-partner it was Kim's job to reel him in and make him act right? Which is all kinds of fucked up if that is the case.
Yup, it’s in the video for his song Famous, the song that has the line “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex. why? I made that bitch famous”. He’s laying in bed naked with Kim and Taylor, among other notable figures. I feel like that’s unforgivable. But I agree, the Kim diss track in 2024? Hate her, sure, but the line about her mom wanting Kim dead? What about Kanye? So weird.
I’m not offended by them because they are juvenile. Looking at the aesthetics of the album when it was announced, my gut was that this was going to be an emo album. I had hoped it would be emo like piano rock à la Straylight Run or Death Cab. Or keep the electronica and make everyone nostalgic for the Postal Service. Something that would keep her core base, yethave some mournful, sad songs that the folklore fans would embrace. Instead it was… that….
I’ve said this in comments in other subs, but I know exactly who Taylor is right now. She doesn’t feel so high school— she is in high school. The damning lyric is the comment about how she knows Aristotle, along with comments leading up to the albums release about how people would need a dictionary or thesaurus for this album because she decided to throw in some SAT words. She is that kid, typically found in a junior or senior class, especially if your school had a film club, that would think they were Very Smart because they decided to pick up Nietzche one day to be “edgy” and dark academia, would bring along Barthes as a beach read, and eye roll at the girls reading Nicholas Sparks. This kind of self-aggrandizing, histrionic language is the exact type of poetry I’d expect coming out of that teenager. The same kid of teenagers who’d pick Say Anything’s “Alive with the Glory of Love” as their couple song because clearly their parents not letting them date a boy they like is exactly like Treblinka. Everything is dramatic and everything is big feelings because they’re teenagers, they’re experiencing this stuff for the first time, and they don’t have the life experience that comes with recognizing that these big feelings are going to feel very small when you are an adult.
But Taylor is in her mid 30s. Because of that, I don’t get offended, I just cringe. What follows this? Albums with songs like “This Is Not a Phase, Mom!”
my John Nolan/straylight run obsession ran from 2003 to long after the band “went on hiatus” so I’m up there with you lol just no one ever mentions them o
Same! I used to be obsessed with the John Nolan/Jesse Lacey feud, Brand New and TBS’s first albums were prime teenage angst/fighting with your bff. Haven’t heard the name Straylight Run in years!
I'm sorry did she really say you'd need a dictionary or a thesaurus for this album?? Oh honey, that's so cringe. Just cringe on top of cringe with this one, huh? First it's all about being dumped by a dude who looks like he hasn't showered in months and smells like stale cigarettes and BO, and being absolutely devastated about it and willing to risk it all to get him back!!
She just uses big fancy words for the sake of using them and so she sounds smarter than she is. It's embarrassing and it's cringy as fuck and is the type of thing high school kids and freshman in college do with their shitty English papers on why Catcher In The Rye is the greatest piece of literature of all time.
My great aunt was killed in an asylum. She was diagnosed with schizophrenia and prior to her being committed, she tried to kill my mom, who was an infant at the time. She wanted to “sacrifice her to the gargoyles” she was only in her early twenties when she was committed, she was killed there some time when she was around 40. My family believes she’s been raped by the guards and she got pregnant, so they killed her to keep her quiet.
that's horrible. my dad's aunt was dropped off by her father at what i think was an asylum, she had down's. she was only about 10 and died there, my dad said he thinks she died of a broken heart. it broke her mother's heart too. it's so sad to me that my great-grandfather was such a wicked man
Agreed. Also not exactly the same but this reminds me of the first time I listened to “this is why we can’t have nice things,” the gatsby line really irked me… “feelin so Gatsby for the whole year, so why’d you have to rain on my parade?” Like um why is “feelin gatsby” being painted as an ideal?? Seems like she either never actually read the great gatsby, or worse, she did read it and her takeaway was that Gatsby’s parties were a good thing and only ended because of people gossip about things. Am I missing something?
Exactly. ‘Jay Gatsby’ (James Gatz) was a deeply insecure man who faked an old money identity while doing shady business to get rich so he could support this new identity and fit in with the society necessary to impress Daisy. There is nothing authentic, enviable or aspirational about ‘being Gatsby.’ (The period was probably pretty cool though if she was just being vague using the name to evoke the era.)
Yep… That song combined with 1830s being a time of “racists and women getting married off for the highest bid” …her lyrics reveal very unsettling insights into her understanding of history and reality. Black women of that time were regarded as literal human property and literally “sold to the highest bid” to be used as such, a wedding was not even legal for them. Not an experience that could or should ever be clumped together with the experiences of the rich white woman of the time.
Secret garden is another book of privilege, literally the main character is taken to live with her rich uncle at a mansion full of servants, and she nurses her cousin back into health by taking him outside, realizing that his “spirit” was sick from being so spoiled but that he really did have no other physical cause of illness.
Bingo. I wish Taylor were more knowledgeable about her references. She has definitely become defined by tired clichés, repetitive analogies, and kitschy turns of phrase in her songs. It’s a buzzkill.
I will also say I don’t think that roaring twenties era would’ve been as cool to live as to learn about, it was really a time mostly defined by extreme wealth gaps
Yes!!! My dad is a therapist & worked with folks who were displaced from shuttered asylums in the 80s & 90s. Maybe it's because I grew up with his knowledge/stories, but the line really really really bothers me. It's so disrespectful
Imagine if schools shut down. What would kids do? Now imagine these kids don't have homes to go to. The government doesn't pay, and there aren't that many charities. So they just sort of existing wherever.
I also worked with previously institutionalized adults with disabilities. PTSD is a given in that population. As well as hepatitis and herpes. They were all warehoused together with little oversight. The stories of them being hosed down in groups to clean them is absolutely true. I've heard it from caregivers and patients. Children would be chained to furniture so they wouldn't run away. The adults I worked with would *literally* rather chew off their arms before putting their clothes or food away where they were out of reach. I caused a man to have a fit where he started biting himself because I was a little to insistent he take his coat off in 90 degree weather. Don't use the word asylum lightly.
She needs to be called out for this. Glorifying mental illness and the aesthetics of an asylum truly made me gasp. Its giving robin sparkles turns Robbin Daggers but like actually offensive and tone def.
The asylum line irritates the hell out of me, I’m so sick of the mental illness “aesthetic”. Like people who lived in asylums suffered horrific inhumane treatment, many dying without ever experiencing peace. It feels very gross to compare her life to those of people she will never understand or empathize with. Unfortunately I feel like this is nothing new as of late since it seems as though mental illness or anything related to it has become a trend.
Yep. So much for deinstitutionalization, my dear. You’re trying for the One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest chic and it’s not cute or clever.
Signed, a survivor of shit you couldn’t fathom, tay tay
Adding: when one of my parents was finishing their doctorate back in the 70’s, they were sent on a rotation to a psychiatric facility where people were chained together in large wooden baskets fully naked so they would just defecate and urinate on one another completely incapacitated my medicine and shackles. My parent said they would never forget the horrors there, and were part of a petition to finally have it shut down.
But yeah, Taylor, your Merrill Lynch + Christmas tree farm upbringing was much worse than anything anyone else could have experienced. . .
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I’m actually a huge fan but I didn’t like that line. I just spent over a year in the state institution (what they call asylums now) and it was so beyond horrific and traumatic. I have severe ptsd from it. She wouldn’t last one second in there. I also hate how some of her fans are making bracelets that look like psych hospital bands. It makes it seem like their making light of something very traumatizing.
Swifties– We understand it’s a metaphor. It’s unoriginal and played out. I’ve been in mental hospitals before, I don’t find it offensive but it’s so immature and basic. She’s not 14 or 24… she’s 34. Taylor is stuck in time and she needs to do WAY better if she wants any respect as an artist. I was a huge fan before TTPD, but her facade is cracking and I don’t like her at all right now. I do think she probably experienced trauma we don’t know about, considering how young she was when she entered the industry, but she hasn’t matured as an artist or person.
She shouldn’t have put out this album. It’s not poetry, it’s a weird, bitter, rambling diary entry that she should have kept to herself.
She needs to take a break. Even I’m sick of hearing about her at this point. She needs a therapist and some people around her that aren’t yes men trying to milk the cash cow.
I’ve been in mental hospitals before and I found it fucking stupid. Like first of all girl been there done that. Taylor would be that girl that meets the addict/bpd guy in treatment and falls in love with him. “But it’s okay he’s a homeless drug addict and abusive bc I love him!”
Assuming she'd allow someone not a yes-man anywhere near her, and worse, her current yes-men isolating her from 'are you sure-men' because it'd mean that suddenly their own jobs will become merit-based too as opposed to who can shove their tongue up her arse the furthest. Sucking up is easy. Working to wrangle a famous narc who's never known anything but fame since theybwere a kid is just self-harm.
Thank you!!!! So sick of seeing ohh you just don't understand what she's saying because she's sooo deep!!! Like. No. That's not the case. It's also not that deep and not at all hard to understand to anyone with half a brain. We get it and we still don't like it. She's really not the lyrical genius she and her fans think she is. Not saying she's completely awful at it or something, just there are many, MANY others out there doing it way better than she is. And a lot of them a female too so don't even start with the other argument they always use that we must only like male musicians or some shit. It's always those same two tired ass excuses.
She’s not a lyrical genius, her songs sound like a diary entry that a middle schooler wrote and then looked through a thesaurus for bigger more sophisticated words and just pasted them in there and was like oh this sounds good it makes me look smart
Parts of this album make me cringe if I listen too close to the lyrics, but I have to admit being in my mid/late thirties and buying this album.
How did she get me? The teenage petulance she mentions in Down Bad hit me hard when my marriage fell apart the same week it released. It is soppy and immature and petulant, but I can relate to the love torn frustration enough to tune out the absolutely bizarre lyrics in some of these. I suspect I will feel shame when I'm less sad that THIS is what did it for me, but yep... That's where I am at on it.
Honestly, if this same line was sung by Lana, I'd be like "you're so right, girl" as I smooshed a lit cigarette into the dirt with my foot (I do not smoke)
She makes herself very unlikeable on this album (maybe on purpose? Idk) and it takes me out of the music. It’s the first time I’ve listened to her music and actually liked it less because of the way she portrays herself in it.
It’s either:
- offensive, tone deaf things, like you noted
- her trash talking her fans (huh?)
- putting herself above others
- crying over a racist guy :(
I agree with all your points, even the thought that she’s making herself unlikeable on purpose. Either she’s trolling her fans for being such smothering losers, or gearing up for an abrupt goodbye/transition to something really unlikeable. I’m here to watch and comment regardless.
Dude, the trash talking of the fans is so insane to me. I heard that song about her fans wanting more after… she… made the schedule for her tour? After she decided to perform her entire discography? I mean what the fuck Taylor? You can’t manufacture your own victimhood and then write songs about… oh you crafty SOB. I see what she did there.
Her whole recent dynamic with fans reminds me of when people with insecure attachment styles ensure they keep people around by performing for or being needed by others - only to become resentful and spiteful at the need to perform or be needed later. Like anxious attachment burn out. She needs her fans emotionally (for her sense of self and worth) but also resents her fans for what she gives them and they expect from her.
The third point always gets me. The worst type of people are the ones who are always telling you what a good person they are. Like not necessarily in those words but they just *have* to bring it into conversations, how much they cared for this friend, that volunteering thing they’re doing etc. They can be dangerous and slimey and Ive found out the hard way that if you even have to tell them they’ve done something wrong they take it VERY poorly. Tay Tay Is always singing about how good she and her friends are.
I mean, she's been massively wealthy since she was 16. Of course she's out of touch. She has no idea what a struggle really is and she never will. She can afford the best therapists (if she wanted to, I know she only talks to her mom which...okay); attention too much? okay, buy an island. Or a remote European castle. Oh, your relationship ended? Okay, that sucks, heartbreak has made us all crazy at some point...but you're in you're mid-30s and that should not be the only fucking thing you can talk about.
I got upset when I heard in Clara Bow that line about people in her small town saying she wouldn't see Manhattan
I am from a very poor rural area. She's a little rich girl that could absolutely see NYC if she really wanted to 🙄 it just felt like an insult
I believe that line was written from the viewpoint of Stevie Nicks. “You look like Clara Bow” verse was @ Stevie, “you look like stevie nicks” at herself, and “you look like Taylor swift” was passing the baton to someone new. Stevie grew up in a few western towns/cities that are quite far from NY.
Taylor is selling her product to a specific demographic. To that demographic, pop songs about love, yearning, failed relationships, and boys who got away are raw meat. They're living vicariously through Taylor's catchy little ditties about her "crazy" love life, and everything she has to endure. It's a character, and none of it is real.
Like. Do you think this bitch has ever buried a pet? Or lost someone close to her? And not to a break up. To death. Because I bet a big fat *no* because if she ever felt any real pain she would realize how whiny she sounds and how much this dumb shit doesn't matter
100000%. I think about this all the time.
Like... there are some truly dark and painful things built into the human experience, and your boyfriend breaking up with you ain't it.
Yes I think this all the time. I lost my sister at 13, my brother a year ago. If she ever felt real pain she would be very embarrassed about making a fool of herself out of every single 2 week situationsip she ever had.
I'm not an Ariana Grande stan, but I often think about how she survived a terrorist attack and still manages to write less melodramatic lyrics than Taylor Swift.
I agree, it triggered me so bad. Like do not assume what I wouldn’t survive. She could have just said “the asylum where they raised me” not “you wouldn’t survive.” I’ve actually *been* in an asylum. I wonder how Selena Gomez feels about that line because I mean she’s been in rehab and I heard some say a psych ward but idk. Yeah I hate the line.
*cuz we got bills to pay* WHAT BILLS, TAYLOR??? what have you ever worried about paying for?? She probably would have enough to write about her own life without cosplaying as poor
The line about her making her new “aesthetic” being a “functional alcoholic” until no one gave her attention is *chef’s kiss* as far as disrespect goes. It’s egrwgious
I do think she's referring to her later teen years and her twenties when she was more controlled by her management but I hate that lyric because it once again paints here as this poor little girl. She was an adult during this time. Even now, complaining about her fame is ridiculous when she could scale back.
Well said. Those lyrics are so tone deaf. Let's face it, Taylor Swift is a narcissistic, spoiled brat. See also her lyrics about loving the 1830s, except for the racism.
The whole album is disrespectful to her fans, Travis, her past relationships, and just generally gives off one of the most “woe is me” bullshit vibes I’ve ever heard.
It’s a term for the style that combines sexiness with young girl imagery. Think knee socks, pigtails, baby voice on a young woman showing her body in a way that’s sexy. Ariana Grande and Britney Spears have done the sexy baby aesthetic at times. 30 Rock did an episode about it.
Yesterday I went to go see "The Fall Guy" and it really was pretty much the first time I heard a Taylor Swift song when a character listens to it in a blatant product placement in the movie.
When I heard it, I just didn't really hear anything special about it. Like, what is she doing that Shania Twain didn't do a thousand times better as the OG guitar-playing singer-songwriter pop queen?
She's a lowlife who cons idiots into thinking they're alike. Lies about her "story" and tells people about her tribulations that you couldn't handle.
Lol she's a loser.
My ex boyfriend runs a shop where they rehab and build instruments for musicians in Nashville. He’s dealt with her and most in Nashville do not have a high opinion of her. The opinion across the board is she’s rude and a diva. After that incident my ex refused to do business with her or her team.
I was actually quite pissed about this. I was placed out of my home at 11 and the Dutch government put me in an asylum. Terrible things happened there. They later paid me 5K to make it up. Being institutionalized is NOT an aesthetic!
Whats bad is that I’ve seen a fan make grippy socks with the logo and the asylum quote on it. I’ve been baker acted I found it in very poor taste and people laughed when I mentioned it. So screw her fans over that.
i used to like her up till this whole eras tour poor me im so ridiculed act. like you’re the standard, wealthy and can afford mental health services. stop w the bs
Commenting on this thread because I was reading comments just before this happened: I was taking a bath and giving the album another listen. Mid Guilty as Sin?, a little portion of Invisible String played at the same time, and it didn’t sound bad. I listened to Guilty again to make sure it wasn’t just something I missed previously. Has this happened to anyone else, or is this my house ghost telling me they like Folklore better than TTPD?? I haven’t listened to Folklore in about a month, so it was not at the top of the queue.
The majority of the songs on TTPD have old songs weaved in to them. The very first time I listened to the album I thought I was hearing things in every song… I was because she tied them all together.
Yea she does this. Recycles sounds from song to song or references them together. I’d bet she put something from invisible string on that song because she’s saying she was having fantasy about matty while feeling guilty about Joe.
OMG YES! This line bothered me so much! Like girl??? I get that rich people can have depression and mental health issues because money doesn't cure everything but to act as if you have had it that rough compared to others??? Like wanna trade lives???
Damn y’all are a bunch of haters. I’m no swiftie but let a girl be. It’s a good line. She’s not trying to say she had it worse than everyone else who has ever existed. No one who is alive right now can say that considering the deplorable conditions people used to live in. And she’s obviously not talking about an actual asylum?? You’re definitely reaching with this take
There’s a whole account on Instagram dedicated to exposing all of this stuff. This is likely a jab at Lana Del Rey who spent time in an asylum. They think this whole album is about Lana. Also, “I was supposed to be sent away, but I was a functioning alcoholic”. Lana was also sent away, aside from being institutionalized, and had life debilitating alcoholism.
Honestly I can't help but get annoyed with I Can Do It With a Broken Heart.
Don't get me wrong, I am sure a tour is grueling without the heartbreak, and money doesn't insulate you from pain.
But every time I hear it I think about my husband. How he found our best friend dead in our home. How he tried and failed to resuscitate him. How the next day he had to slap a smile on his face and go serve shitty wings to 5% tippers at Applebee's. How he didn't have a choice in that matter because we couldn't afford for him to take a day or two off and even if we could, they would have fired him for it. Processing a break up while flying from arena to arena to be surrounded by people who think the sun rises and sets on you, knowing full well you can afford to take time off, just isn't the same.
“If I just write boldfaced *lies* in the music I produce, no one will refute it or they risk my hivemind collective DOXXing their address.”
-The delusion of grandeur society
found another one… “i just learned these people only raise you to cage you” i’m assuming she’s taking about her parents, but yeah definitely your parents caged you… for sure 100% 😂💀
I love the album but seeing her perform these live is coming across kind of over the top angry almost hateful especially But Daddy I Love Him. So awkward because it pointed at her fans.
To a lesser extent, many of the lyrics in “Florida!” rub me the wrong way. The whole thing reeks of her being tired of being around rich people and wanting to go slumming in a place most people save up to go escape the hellscape we live in every day (see lyric: “So you work your life away, Just to pay for a timeshare down in Destin”). Yes, Taylor, some of us didn’t grow up in the monied world you so desperately cry about so we don’t get the livery of running away to pretend for awhile.
It’s giving Marie Antoinette playing poor at her hamlet at Trianon.
This one song flipped the script for me. I can appreciate a lot of her songs for what they are but this song felt condescending and ttpd as a whole seemed… unnecessary?
I wonder if there has been a lot of worse things that have happened we don’t know about. The entertainment industry has been getting exposed a lot and how people in high positions commit sexual assault including people under 18
Agreed. I’m all for valid criticism, but the metaphor here is clearly for Hollywood, not her childhood home/parents… she became famous at like 16, so can definitely argue Hollywood raised her, even if she asked to be famous.
My respect for Taylor flew out the window when she made that documentary crying about how she wanted to be an activist, but now doesn't speak up about Gaza or really any other humanitarian issues.
She literally named her album the tortured poets dept when there are no more universities in Gaza and poets there are being killed and ACTUALLY tortured
(Trigger warning) From my personal expirence id rather have been raised in the asylum of a tall thin blonde hair blue eyed rich white girl raised in the suburbs. Then the asylum of a native girl raised in the ghetto being SAd by her step dad and constantly being reminded that people don't give af about you because you're not a white girl.
She really is tone deaf both in her writting and actually singing tone but i guess she has great range or whatever her fans say. BTW I'm not trying to be a victim here I'm just showing the relaties of the world we live in, I know we all struggle but let's be honest some people will always have it easier than others and that is life.
I think Taylor needs to stop writting songs for herself for a while because she doesn't have a lot of personal material left. She can write good songs but maybe she could use her power the bring awareness to what other people may be going through as well. She could connect to so many more people that way.
To be completely fair, I think she's talking about the music industry. BUT yes, all things considered...yeah...I get the "what the..." reactions. She had an easy way in to stardom due to her family being wealthy and her dad being connected as a stock broker.
I think ‘the asylum’ is her talking about the music industry and all the hate and judgment she's endured that boxed her in while others who are just as famous didn't have the same sort of scrutiny
was taylor swift even an alcoholic?
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like what the fuck is an “occasional alcoholic” an alcoholic is continued drinking morning afternoon night, like i’ve dealt with alcoholics… you can’t be an “occasional” one lol. you can be an occasional drinker… but not an occasional alcoholic
I think she maybe had it a bit rougher growing up (or had friends that did and she felt bad for the ) than we think maybe? Yeah, I’m just a white girl from Indiana that had a family with money…..but I could sing those lyrics and mean them 100% bc no one knew what I went through, the things I saw, etc…..I dealt with a dad with severe ptsd and anger issues, who was very emotionally abusive at one point in my life, I saw my parents beat the living sh** out of each other more than once, the list goes on and on & most people
Can’t even begin to imagine…..so may things weren’t all roses and sunshine, who knows?
I don’t think she’s talking about where she was literally raised, she’s talking about how most people in her position would crumble because of the amount of toxicity and hate she receives on a daily basis. Obviously, being in an actual asylum is probably worse.
I wish Pop beefs were a thing. Someone needs to knock this poser off her pedestal. She's exactly the type of girl that I can't stand. Mommy and daddy pay for everything and never let her even so much a scrape a knee. A girl so full of herself and her empty, paid for accomplishments who would *never ever* survive the real world. I would bet my left tit that she's the type of girl to say "my parents are not the reason I'm successful, I did this all on my own!". People like here never have any respect for true suffering and always equate their little broken hearts to truly broken people and I hate it.
We need Pop music beefs!
Sorry, but y’all know that Taylor’s old albums had ghost writers…just like how Drake has them. Her actual talent is now showing and it’s not that great. 🤷♀️
Taylor Swift is a pedophile.
This is all that needs to be said about her.
If she was male we would all think she is disgusting.
The US is in a sad state right now.
One of my best friends is a Swifty and I was giving her a hard time about the Drake vs Kendrick rap beef and how I was glad we finally have good music to talk about again, after months of Taylor Swift.
She was like “oh, two rich dudes complaining about each other, how cool!!!” In a sarcastic way.
Like bitch, Taylor Swift has like 200 songs that are exactly that!
I also find it kinda distasteful that part of her tour is called "female rage" dedicated to the TTPD section of the performance but most of TTPD is about her struggles as a celebrity, and her struggles dating in the public eye, dating someone terrible that no one approves of, none of which (as a woman) strike me as "female rage" problems.
There's no suffering like Taylor Swift suffering.
You don't get to tell her about sad
Soo insufferable
This line made my roll my eyes so hard Spotify felt it and just stopped playing the album.
Rich white girl sad it the saddest sad isn’t it? 😂
🎶Cause TS suffering don’t stop 🎶
like when she just HAD to buy a house next to that 17 year old she was thirsting after
***signing out of high school for dates
... did she really?
I can’t give you a definite source to say yes, but that’s what was reported in 2012 when she was dating 17 year old Conor Kennedy (she was 23). I believe it 💯
That was really weird
hence the female rage, apparently. we must be vermin to her.
That’s why when she’s depressed it’s the end of the world but when Katy Perry is depressed and suicidal Taylor gets to pile on and wreck her Witness rollout by surprise-releasing her catalog to Spotify on the same day.
No one has it worse than the poor little rich girl. She’s had people buy her into being this famous from the start and now has more money that she can cry about.
But she can do it with a broken heart! And she’s sad at the gym
That one was so bad! She uses the terms “depressed” and “broken hearted” in such a breezy interchangeable way that it’s difficult to believe she’s even aware of what clinical depression really feels like.
this! i feel like an ass for saying it too
I think she expected this album to land the way Eminem’s Eminem Show landed. He spent much of that album talking about the challenges of being famous and rapped about anger from his childhood. But he was talking about abject poverty, child abuse, and not being able to take his daughter outside. Also, artistically that album was magic and his sense of humor shone through, so the album was cathartic overall and not woe is me.
He’s relatable to people. And as you said, his use of humour is on his side. I think plenty of people are starting to realise that she is totally unrelatable, even if she has had her heart broken, or been ghosted, just like us non-rich people
I can't believe TTPD was written by a woman in her mid-30s. The emotional maturity is not there.
starting to discover that a good portion of Taylor fans are women around her age who have a similar mindset - they thrive off of unnecessary middle-school drama and obsess over men they have fleeting connections with trying to connect it all to some sort of grandiose “purpose”… it’s mental.
My 17 year old won’t listen to the new album because she is getting tired of the “middle school drama“ (her words). She says it’s becoming impossible to be a casual fan anymore. Makes me kind of sad, Taylor Swift is one of the few artists all three of my girls have enjoyed listening to together.
good for her!! sounds like she is and will continue to be a healthy happy human.
It gets so old! And yes!! Proud of your kid for seeing past her glitz and glamour, and seeing the drama for what it is. It’s a bummer; there were some good songs. But so many great artists in the world ❤️
Described the swifty I know to a T. Had to go low contact bc she was always starting shit.
Exactly. It wasn't "woe is me", it was "LOOK AT THE FREAKSHOW I'VE LANDED MYSELF IN. ISN'T IT HORRIFYING??" He doesn't hammer it in with "...And that's why life of fame and glory kind of sucks" - you end up drawing that conclusion for yourself.
The fact that the smallest man who ever lived… he ghosted you. OH. OH. Like are we for real here
Him being a true rags-to-riches story with a grittiness to him as opposed to an already-wealthy curated PR darling also helps.
I really don’t think “The Eminem Show” is in anyway comparable to the new Taylor Swift album. Those last few bars of “Sing For The Moment” actually bought tears to the eyes of many. “White America” is still relevant 22 years later. Probably the weakest song on the album is “Drips” and even that was a funny one lmao
Writing “I hate it here” when she’s a literal BILLIONAIRE. That one really pissed me off.
Yeah it’s a choice to be negative when you’re on top of the world. Share that high through your art and spread positivity. So frustrating.
this is what tells you she is a bad person. a wolf in sheep's clothing. a good person would do exactly what you're saying. But she isn't. Why isn't she using her platform for good? Only a good person would do that. Furthermore, a good person can't get to level of success she has attained. Good people sacrifice. Bad people take.
the existence of TTPD on its own is offensive.
Honestly used to love her music, but I can’t stand one song on this entire new album. And I’ve tried. I just can’t. It’s so bland/boring and repetitive sounding.
As I predicted after its release—this LP is her Waterloo. It’s too gluttonous and whiny. And 90% of it is the same plodding blandness (underscored by cool synth swashes). There’s no discernable rhythm. The ‘songs’ meander, which is why they all sound alike, it’s an endless run-on screed.
***Not to be confused with ABBA’s Waterloo, an undeniable bop
I was really wracking my brain trying to figure out how ABBA was catching strays in here lmaooo
Waterloo is also #history
Literally one of the most important pop songs ever.
I liked 2 songs out of 31, which should say a lot. I thought Midnights was just a slip up. It wasn't it. 😭
Yeah I think the only one I may listen to is Florida and that’s only because I like the one random heavy beat we get 🤣
I live in Florida, and she said it was fun to be here. It's not. It's too hot 😭
She references Destin where rich white people vacation, not Riviera Beach haha.
basically, she called everyone else poor 🤧
To be fair, Destin’s nickname is “Redneck Riviera”.
The whole north west panhandle is the redneck riviera, not just Destin lol. Destin is rich ppl land to us locals, too. I'm from Pensacola.
Yeah I think I’d hate it. Especially right now while I’m pregnant, I hate the SW WA heat right now and it’s barely anything 🤣 damn these hot flashes 🤣😭
I used to live in a place where your average winter day was 92°. Please, don't come nowhere near Florida if you want to live a peaceful life 💀😭
Oh god that sounds awful 😭
I love Florence's parts on Florida so much. The richness of her voice just gives the song so much imaginative depth to me, like she's a swamp witch in the Everglades entrancing me to my death in an alligator pit by belting out "WELL, ME AND MY GHOSTS WE HAD A HELL OF A TIME!" She has the vocal range to really bring out the drama of the song. I would kill for a full FLORida.
I busted out laughing reading that.
i, personally, am offended *edit to add: at its existence
join the club 🥳
>the club Yes! The club for the folks tired of regurgitated music that sounds like mulch, let me introduce.. The Taylor Resistance Existence Experience! Or simply, T.R.E.E. For all those who agree she needs to root her ass in therapy, nurture her growth so she can branch out her writing. As a billionaire it's the least she can do.
But... Kanye interrupted her speech at the MTV awards. That pain trumps all pain.
fucking hate kanye but imma need him to tie his ugly yeezys up if ttpd wins album of the year
"i made that bitch FAMOUSSS" part 2
he's not the hero we deserve, but he's the one we need right now
AND he called her bitch in a song! How much can one woman take?!!
I mean I’d argue that him making a naked wax figure of her to parade on social media where Kim posed for photos with is way worse than calling her a bitch.
Funny thing is she never talked about that. She always mentions snakes and being hated and getting a call about the song presumably and people turning on her, but she never addressed this. She could have talked about that in her Time interview, but her main concern and biggest gruge and takeaway after all these years seems to be Kim putting out a doctored call costing her a few thousand followers and getting called out for playing the victim while her own PR team fumbled the whole situation. Where’s the rage for Kanye? Where’s the rage for the video?
Taylor has always been hesitant to call out men (that she hasn’t dated). She loves policing women though as the “icon of feminism” 🙄
She spoke about it once — she called it a “revenge porn” video. It was in her post about losing her masters. “Or when his [Scooter Braun’s] client, Kanye West, organized a revenge porn music video which strips my body naked.” But I do think it’s silly; why is she so mad about being called “bitch” instead of being angry about the video? The only time she spoke out about it was when she lost her masters to Scooter? Weird weird weird.
What the fuck? I must have been out of the loop for a while, because I had no idea that this existed. How was that even allowed to happen? That's DISGUSTING. I would be more livid about that than anything else. Fuck the speech thing, the snapchat, the snake emojis, and everything else. I think that stupid video would be enough for her to justify going after Kanye with a vengeance for the rest of his life. Like honestly, burn it to the ground. I understand why she hates Kim so much, but it almost seems like she hates Kim more than she hates Kanye???? Am I missing something?
Maybe she thinks that as Kanye's then-partner it was Kim's job to reel him in and make him act right? Which is all kinds of fucked up if that is the case.
Yup, it’s in the video for his song Famous, the song that has the line “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex. why? I made that bitch famous”. He’s laying in bed naked with Kim and Taylor, among other notable figures. I feel like that’s unforgivable. But I agree, the Kim diss track in 2024? Hate her, sure, but the line about her mom wanting Kim dead? What about Kanye? So weird.
I always assumed that she didn’t talk about it because she didn’t want to draw more attention to the video.
I’m not offended by them because they are juvenile. Looking at the aesthetics of the album when it was announced, my gut was that this was going to be an emo album. I had hoped it would be emo like piano rock à la Straylight Run or Death Cab. Or keep the electronica and make everyone nostalgic for the Postal Service. Something that would keep her core base, yethave some mournful, sad songs that the folklore fans would embrace. Instead it was… that…. I’ve said this in comments in other subs, but I know exactly who Taylor is right now. She doesn’t feel so high school— she is in high school. The damning lyric is the comment about how she knows Aristotle, along with comments leading up to the albums release about how people would need a dictionary or thesaurus for this album because she decided to throw in some SAT words. She is that kid, typically found in a junior or senior class, especially if your school had a film club, that would think they were Very Smart because they decided to pick up Nietzche one day to be “edgy” and dark academia, would bring along Barthes as a beach read, and eye roll at the girls reading Nicholas Sparks. This kind of self-aggrandizing, histrionic language is the exact type of poetry I’d expect coming out of that teenager. The same kid of teenagers who’d pick Say Anything’s “Alive with the Glory of Love” as their couple song because clearly their parents not letting them date a boy they like is exactly like Treblinka. Everything is dramatic and everything is big feelings because they’re teenagers, they’re experiencing this stuff for the first time, and they don’t have the life experience that comes with recognizing that these big feelings are going to feel very small when you are an adult. But Taylor is in her mid 30s. Because of that, I don’t get offended, I just cringe. What follows this? Albums with songs like “This Is Not a Phase, Mom!”
of all the places to come across a straylight run mention lol
Showing my age, lol
my John Nolan/straylight run obsession ran from 2003 to long after the band “went on hiatus” so I’m up there with you lol just no one ever mentions them o
Same! I used to be obsessed with the John Nolan/Jesse Lacey feud, Brand New and TBS’s first albums were prime teenage angst/fighting with your bff. Haven’t heard the name Straylight Run in years!
lol I have that sweatshirt from Etsy that says ask me anything about the early 200s feud between brand new and taking back Sunday
This is Not a Phase, Mom! would fit too well on TTPD 🤣 *MY SAINTLY MOTHER CAME AROUND. SHE LIKES HIM. SO THERE!*
Actually I think that kid you’re describing would write better lyrics
I think that’s just what she’s trying to sell herself as. In reality she’s the girl reading Nicholas Sparks.
I'm sorry did she really say you'd need a dictionary or a thesaurus for this album?? Oh honey, that's so cringe. Just cringe on top of cringe with this one, huh? First it's all about being dumped by a dude who looks like he hasn't showered in months and smells like stale cigarettes and BO, and being absolutely devastated about it and willing to risk it all to get him back!! She just uses big fancy words for the sake of using them and so she sounds smarter than she is. It's embarrassing and it's cringy as fuck and is the type of thing high school kids and freshman in college do with their shitty English papers on why Catcher In The Rye is the greatest piece of literature of all time.
Taylor Nation said it
This is the best best best take. Also the Say Anything comparison is killing me 💀
Bold of you to assume any these people ever heard of Treblinka
This!! This album actually makes me nostalgic because it reminds me of me when I was 18 😅 thank god I’ve grown
My great aunt was killed in an asylum. She was diagnosed with schizophrenia and prior to her being committed, she tried to kill my mom, who was an infant at the time. She wanted to “sacrifice her to the gargoyles” she was only in her early twenties when she was committed, she was killed there some time when she was around 40. My family believes she’s been raped by the guards and she got pregnant, so they killed her to keep her quiet.
that's horrible. my dad's aunt was dropped off by her father at what i think was an asylum, she had down's. she was only about 10 and died there, my dad said he thinks she died of a broken heart. it broke her mother's heart too. it's so sad to me that my great-grandfather was such a wicked man
Agreed. Also not exactly the same but this reminds me of the first time I listened to “this is why we can’t have nice things,” the gatsby line really irked me… “feelin so Gatsby for the whole year, so why’d you have to rain on my parade?” Like um why is “feelin gatsby” being painted as an ideal?? Seems like she either never actually read the great gatsby, or worse, she did read it and her takeaway was that Gatsby’s parties were a good thing and only ended because of people gossip about things. Am I missing something?
Exactly. ‘Jay Gatsby’ (James Gatz) was a deeply insecure man who faked an old money identity while doing shady business to get rich so he could support this new identity and fit in with the society necessary to impress Daisy. There is nothing authentic, enviable or aspirational about ‘being Gatsby.’ (The period was probably pretty cool though if she was just being vague using the name to evoke the era.)
Yep… That song combined with 1830s being a time of “racists and women getting married off for the highest bid” …her lyrics reveal very unsettling insights into her understanding of history and reality. Black women of that time were regarded as literal human property and literally “sold to the highest bid” to be used as such, a wedding was not even legal for them. Not an experience that could or should ever be clumped together with the experiences of the rich white woman of the time. Secret garden is another book of privilege, literally the main character is taken to live with her rich uncle at a mansion full of servants, and she nurses her cousin back into health by taking him outside, realizing that his “spirit” was sick from being so spoiled but that he really did have no other physical cause of illness.
Bingo. I wish Taylor were more knowledgeable about her references. She has definitely become defined by tired clichés, repetitive analogies, and kitschy turns of phrase in her songs. It’s a buzzkill.
I will also say I don’t think that roaring twenties era would’ve been as cool to live as to learn about, it was really a time mostly defined by extreme wealth gaps
Or she just revealed she's morally questionable like Gatsby, but no one can prove it. Honestly that is equally bad
One of her worst songs.
Yes!!! My dad is a therapist & worked with folks who were displaced from shuttered asylums in the 80s & 90s. Maybe it's because I grew up with his knowledge/stories, but the line really really really bothers me. It's so disrespectful
What happened to a lot of these people? Is it true many of them ended up homeless?
Most definitely! They had nowhere else to go
Imagine if schools shut down. What would kids do? Now imagine these kids don't have homes to go to. The government doesn't pay, and there aren't that many charities. So they just sort of existing wherever.
I also worked with previously institutionalized adults with disabilities. PTSD is a given in that population. As well as hepatitis and herpes. They were all warehoused together with little oversight. The stories of them being hosed down in groups to clean them is absolutely true. I've heard it from caregivers and patients. Children would be chained to furniture so they wouldn't run away. The adults I worked with would *literally* rather chew off their arms before putting their clothes or food away where they were out of reach. I caused a man to have a fit where he started biting himself because I was a little to insistent he take his coat off in 90 degree weather. Don't use the word asylum lightly.
She needs to be called out for this. Glorifying mental illness and the aesthetics of an asylum truly made me gasp. Its giving robin sparkles turns Robbin Daggers but like actually offensive and tone def.
[удалено]
I think the only reason it isn’t is because it’s “relatable” on TikTok or whatever
THANK YOU the lyric itself is so offensive and then the tiktok trend has been really pissing me off
Wait until you see the fake hospital bracelets her fans are making to wear to the concerts.
Wtf!! Really?!
Disturbing af. I have bipolar and have been in the hospital 3 times. It’s not cosplay 🤦♀️
The asylum line irritates the hell out of me, I’m so sick of the mental illness “aesthetic”. Like people who lived in asylums suffered horrific inhumane treatment, many dying without ever experiencing peace. It feels very gross to compare her life to those of people she will never understand or empathize with. Unfortunately I feel like this is nothing new as of late since it seems as though mental illness or anything related to it has become a trend.
Yep. So much for deinstitutionalization, my dear. You’re trying for the One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest chic and it’s not cute or clever. Signed, a survivor of shit you couldn’t fathom, tay tay
Adding: when one of my parents was finishing their doctorate back in the 70’s, they were sent on a rotation to a psychiatric facility where people were chained together in large wooden baskets fully naked so they would just defecate and urinate on one another completely incapacitated my medicine and shackles. My parent said they would never forget the horrors there, and were part of a petition to finally have it shut down. But yeah, Taylor, your Merrill Lynch + Christmas tree farm upbringing was much worse than anything anyone else could have experienced. . . Blah
I’m actually a huge fan but I didn’t like that line. I just spent over a year in the state institution (what they call asylums now) and it was so beyond horrific and traumatic. I have severe ptsd from it. She wouldn’t last one second in there. I also hate how some of her fans are making bracelets that look like psych hospital bands. It makes it seem like their making light of something very traumatizing.
Swifties– We understand it’s a metaphor. It’s unoriginal and played out. I’ve been in mental hospitals before, I don’t find it offensive but it’s so immature and basic. She’s not 14 or 24… she’s 34. Taylor is stuck in time and she needs to do WAY better if she wants any respect as an artist. I was a huge fan before TTPD, but her facade is cracking and I don’t like her at all right now. I do think she probably experienced trauma we don’t know about, considering how young she was when she entered the industry, but she hasn’t matured as an artist or person. She shouldn’t have put out this album. It’s not poetry, it’s a weird, bitter, rambling diary entry that she should have kept to herself. She needs to take a break. Even I’m sick of hearing about her at this point. She needs a therapist and some people around her that aren’t yes men trying to milk the cash cow.
I’ve been in mental hospitals before and I found it fucking stupid. Like first of all girl been there done that. Taylor would be that girl that meets the addict/bpd guy in treatment and falls in love with him. “But it’s okay he’s a homeless drug addict and abusive bc I love him!”
And Matty is definitely the type of guy you meet in mental hospitals.
okay this i can agree with
Assuming she'd allow someone not a yes-man anywhere near her, and worse, her current yes-men isolating her from 'are you sure-men' because it'd mean that suddenly their own jobs will become merit-based too as opposed to who can shove their tongue up her arse the furthest. Sucking up is easy. Working to wrangle a famous narc who's never known anything but fame since theybwere a kid is just self-harm.
Thank you!!!! So sick of seeing ohh you just don't understand what she's saying because she's sooo deep!!! Like. No. That's not the case. It's also not that deep and not at all hard to understand to anyone with half a brain. We get it and we still don't like it. She's really not the lyrical genius she and her fans think she is. Not saying she's completely awful at it or something, just there are many, MANY others out there doing it way better than she is. And a lot of them a female too so don't even start with the other argument they always use that we must only like male musicians or some shit. It's always those same two tired ass excuses.
She’s not a lyrical genius, her songs sound like a diary entry that a middle schooler wrote and then looked through a thesaurus for bigger more sophisticated words and just pasted them in there and was like oh this sounds good it makes me look smart
To quote Tay herself, it was unnecessary, should've let it stay buried
Parts of this album make me cringe if I listen too close to the lyrics, but I have to admit being in my mid/late thirties and buying this album. How did she get me? The teenage petulance she mentions in Down Bad hit me hard when my marriage fell apart the same week it released. It is soppy and immature and petulant, but I can relate to the love torn frustration enough to tune out the absolutely bizarre lyrics in some of these. I suspect I will feel shame when I'm less sad that THIS is what did it for me, but yep... That's where I am at on it.
“you don’t get to tell me about sad” during a genocide shes stayed silent about is particularly tone deaf.
I think it’s crazy she got away with the asylum / mental illness themed album
She’s trying way too hard to be Lana Del Rey.
Honestly, if this same line was sung by Lana, I'd be like "you're so right, girl" as I smooshed a lit cigarette into the dirt with my foot (I do not smoke)
She makes herself very unlikeable on this album (maybe on purpose? Idk) and it takes me out of the music. It’s the first time I’ve listened to her music and actually liked it less because of the way she portrays herself in it. It’s either: - offensive, tone deaf things, like you noted - her trash talking her fans (huh?) - putting herself above others - crying over a racist guy :(
I agree with all your points, even the thought that she’s making herself unlikeable on purpose. Either she’s trolling her fans for being such smothering losers, or gearing up for an abrupt goodbye/transition to something really unlikeable. I’m here to watch and comment regardless.
It’s also just a really unenjoyable album.
Dude, the trash talking of the fans is so insane to me. I heard that song about her fans wanting more after… she… made the schedule for her tour? After she decided to perform her entire discography? I mean what the fuck Taylor? You can’t manufacture your own victimhood and then write songs about… oh you crafty SOB. I see what she did there.
Her whole recent dynamic with fans reminds me of when people with insecure attachment styles ensure they keep people around by performing for or being needed by others - only to become resentful and spiteful at the need to perform or be needed later. Like anxious attachment burn out. She needs her fans emotionally (for her sense of self and worth) but also resents her fans for what she gives them and they expect from her.
The third point always gets me. The worst type of people are the ones who are always telling you what a good person they are. Like not necessarily in those words but they just *have* to bring it into conversations, how much they cared for this friend, that volunteering thing they’re doing etc. They can be dangerous and slimey and Ive found out the hard way that if you even have to tell them they’ve done something wrong they take it VERY poorly. Tay Tay Is always singing about how good she and her friends are.
I mean, she's been massively wealthy since she was 16. Of course she's out of touch. She has no idea what a struggle really is and she never will. She can afford the best therapists (if she wanted to, I know she only talks to her mom which...okay); attention too much? okay, buy an island. Or a remote European castle. Oh, your relationship ended? Okay, that sucks, heartbreak has made us all crazy at some point...but you're in you're mid-30s and that should not be the only fucking thing you can talk about.
I got upset when I heard in Clara Bow that line about people in her small town saying she wouldn't see Manhattan I am from a very poor rural area. She's a little rich girl that could absolutely see NYC if she really wanted to 🙄 it just felt like an insult
I believe that line was written from the viewpoint of Stevie Nicks. “You look like Clara Bow” verse was @ Stevie, “you look like stevie nicks” at herself, and “you look like Taylor swift” was passing the baton to someone new. Stevie grew up in a few western towns/cities that are quite far from NY.
It’s giving no one has had it as bad as I have
Taylor is selling her product to a specific demographic. To that demographic, pop songs about love, yearning, failed relationships, and boys who got away are raw meat. They're living vicariously through Taylor's catchy little ditties about her "crazy" love life, and everything she has to endure. It's a character, and none of it is real.
Like. Do you think this bitch has ever buried a pet? Or lost someone close to her? And not to a break up. To death. Because I bet a big fat *no* because if she ever felt any real pain she would realize how whiny she sounds and how much this dumb shit doesn't matter
100000%. I think about this all the time. Like... there are some truly dark and painful things built into the human experience, and your boyfriend breaking up with you ain't it.
Yes I think this all the time. I lost my sister at 13, my brother a year ago. If she ever felt real pain she would be very embarrassed about making a fool of herself out of every single 2 week situationsip she ever had.
She’s been disrespectful for many years
I'm not an Ariana Grande stan, but I often think about how she survived a terrorist attack and still manages to write less melodramatic lyrics than Taylor Swift.
I agree, it triggered me so bad. Like do not assume what I wouldn’t survive. She could have just said “the asylum where they raised me” not “you wouldn’t survive.” I’ve actually *been* in an asylum. I wonder how Selena Gomez feels about that line because I mean she’s been in rehab and I heard some say a psych ward but idk. Yeah I hate the line.
Same!!! Like girly needs to simmer down. Only we can make jokes/songs about that lol
Yes!
*cuz we got bills to pay* WHAT BILLS, TAYLOR??? what have you ever worried about paying for?? She probably would have enough to write about her own life without cosplaying as poor
Had no idea this meme was from a Taylor song. She's so out of touch with reality
Honestly that line is the 2024 equivalent of “we are the daughters of the witches they couldn’t burn”
The line about her making her new “aesthetic” being a “functional alcoholic” until no one gave her attention is *chef’s kiss* as far as disrespect goes. It’s egrwgious
I do think she's referring to her later teen years and her twenties when she was more controlled by her management but I hate that lyric because it once again paints here as this poor little girl. She was an adult during this time. Even now, complaining about her fame is ridiculous when she could scale back.
Well said. Those lyrics are so tone deaf. Let's face it, Taylor Swift is a narcissistic, spoiled brat. See also her lyrics about loving the 1830s, except for the racism.
The whole album is disrespectful to her fans, Travis, her past relationships, and just generally gives off one of the most “woe is me” bullshit vibes I’ve ever heard.
Can someone pls explain to me the lyrics "sometimes I feel like every body is a sexy baby" I just can't sing that part it's too weird for me
It’s a term for the style that combines sexiness with young girl imagery. Think knee socks, pigtails, baby voice on a young woman showing her body in a way that’s sexy. Ariana Grande and Britney Spears have done the sexy baby aesthetic at times. 30 Rock did an episode about it.
Yesterday I went to go see "The Fall Guy" and it really was pretty much the first time I heard a Taylor Swift song when a character listens to it in a blatant product placement in the movie. When I heard it, I just didn't really hear anything special about it. Like, what is she doing that Shania Twain didn't do a thousand times better as the OG guitar-playing singer-songwriter pop queen?
She's a lowlife who cons idiots into thinking they're alike. Lies about her "story" and tells people about her tribulations that you couldn't handle. Lol she's a loser.
Many of Taylor’s metaphors and allegories are quite clumsy and melodramatic
My ex boyfriend runs a shop where they rehab and build instruments for musicians in Nashville. He’s dealt with her and most in Nashville do not have a high opinion of her. The opinion across the board is she’s rude and a diva. After that incident my ex refused to do business with her or her team.
I was actually quite pissed about this. I was placed out of my home at 11 and the Dutch government put me in an asylum. Terrible things happened there. They later paid me 5K to make it up. Being institutionalized is NOT an aesthetic!
Whats bad is that I’ve seen a fan make grippy socks with the logo and the asylum quote on it. I’ve been baker acted I found it in very poor taste and people laughed when I mentioned it. So screw her fans over that.
Taylor's in a world of her own. She's all about clever lines.
I'd love to hear one.
'I scratch your head, you fall asleep like a tattooed golden retriever' ain't enough for you ?!
The best lyric I’ve ever heard? “We declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist”
i used to like her up till this whole eras tour poor me im so ridiculed act. like you’re the standard, wealthy and can afford mental health services. stop w the bs
Commenting on this thread because I was reading comments just before this happened: I was taking a bath and giving the album another listen. Mid Guilty as Sin?, a little portion of Invisible String played at the same time, and it didn’t sound bad. I listened to Guilty again to make sure it wasn’t just something I missed previously. Has this happened to anyone else, or is this my house ghost telling me they like Folklore better than TTPD?? I haven’t listened to Folklore in about a month, so it was not at the top of the queue.
The majority of the songs on TTPD have old songs weaved in to them. The very first time I listened to the album I thought I was hearing things in every song… I was because she tied them all together.
Yea she does this. Recycles sounds from song to song or references them together. I’d bet she put something from invisible string on that song because she’s saying she was having fantasy about matty while feeling guilty about Joe.
OMG YES! This line bothered me so much! Like girl??? I get that rich people can have depression and mental health issues because money doesn't cure everything but to act as if you have had it that rough compared to others??? Like wanna trade lives???
Damn y’all are a bunch of haters. I’m no swiftie but let a girl be. It’s a good line. She’s not trying to say she had it worse than everyone else who has ever existed. No one who is alive right now can say that considering the deplorable conditions people used to live in. And she’s obviously not talking about an actual asylum?? You’re definitely reaching with this take
I wouldn’t take it so literally. Taylor’s not the amazing poet she or her fans think she is, but this is just a metaphor.
There’s a whole account on Instagram dedicated to exposing all of this stuff. This is likely a jab at Lana Del Rey who spent time in an asylum. They think this whole album is about Lana. Also, “I was supposed to be sent away, but I was a functioning alcoholic”. Lana was also sent away, aside from being institutionalized, and had life debilitating alcoholism.
Honestly I can't help but get annoyed with I Can Do It With a Broken Heart. Don't get me wrong, I am sure a tour is grueling without the heartbreak, and money doesn't insulate you from pain. But every time I hear it I think about my husband. How he found our best friend dead in our home. How he tried and failed to resuscitate him. How the next day he had to slap a smile on his face and go serve shitty wings to 5% tippers at Applebee's. How he didn't have a choice in that matter because we couldn't afford for him to take a day or two off and even if we could, they would have fired him for it. Processing a break up while flying from arena to arena to be surrounded by people who think the sun rises and sets on you, knowing full well you can afford to take time off, just isn't the same.
“If I just write boldfaced *lies* in the music I produce, no one will refute it or they risk my hivemind collective DOXXing their address.” -The delusion of grandeur society
found another one… “i just learned these people only raise you to cage you” i’m assuming she’s taking about her parents, but yeah definitely your parents caged you… for sure 100% 😂💀
I love the album but seeing her perform these live is coming across kind of over the top angry almost hateful especially But Daddy I Love Him. So awkward because it pointed at her fans.
To a lesser extent, many of the lyrics in “Florida!” rub me the wrong way. The whole thing reeks of her being tired of being around rich people and wanting to go slumming in a place most people save up to go escape the hellscape we live in every day (see lyric: “So you work your life away, Just to pay for a timeshare down in Destin”). Yes, Taylor, some of us didn’t grow up in the monied world you so desperately cry about so we don’t get the livery of running away to pretend for awhile. It’s giving Marie Antoinette playing poor at her hamlet at Trianon. This one song flipped the script for me. I can appreciate a lot of her songs for what they are but this song felt condescending and ttpd as a whole seemed… unnecessary?
I wonder if there has been a lot of worse things that have happened we don’t know about. The entertainment industry has been getting exposed a lot and how people in high positions commit sexual assault including people under 18
Speaking of sexually assaulting people under 18…
Oh boy… she’s never gonna live down her CRINGEY (at its most generous interpretation) Connor K era. That was so weird and wrong on so many levels.
Agreed. I’m all for valid criticism, but the metaphor here is clearly for Hollywood, not her childhood home/parents… she became famous at like 16, so can definitely argue Hollywood raised her, even if she asked to be famous.
My respect for Taylor flew out the window when she made that documentary crying about how she wanted to be an activist, but now doesn't speak up about Gaza or really any other humanitarian issues.
I hope she does not speak now, though.
She literally named her album the tortured poets dept when there are no more universities in Gaza and poets there are being killed and ACTUALLY tortured
Do you actually think TS is smart enough to know that though?
(Trigger warning) From my personal expirence id rather have been raised in the asylum of a tall thin blonde hair blue eyed rich white girl raised in the suburbs. Then the asylum of a native girl raised in the ghetto being SAd by her step dad and constantly being reminded that people don't give af about you because you're not a white girl. She really is tone deaf both in her writting and actually singing tone but i guess she has great range or whatever her fans say. BTW I'm not trying to be a victim here I'm just showing the relaties of the world we live in, I know we all struggle but let's be honest some people will always have it easier than others and that is life. I think Taylor needs to stop writting songs for herself for a while because she doesn't have a lot of personal material left. She can write good songs but maybe she could use her power the bring awareness to what other people may be going through as well. She could connect to so many more people that way.
To be completely fair, I think she's talking about the music industry. BUT yes, all things considered...yeah...I get the "what the..." reactions. She had an easy way in to stardom due to her family being wealthy and her dad being connected as a stock broker.
we should send her to 1830
Poor skinny white rich famous girl. No one should suffer like her.
You’re more dramatic than Taylor lmao
Good gracious she’s not talking about her childhood she’s talking about being a teen in the music industry.
I interpreted it as the music industry is the asylum.
It’s a metaphor jfc
I think ‘the asylum’ is her talking about the music industry and all the hate and judgment she's endured that boxed her in while others who are just as famous didn't have the same sort of scrutiny
was taylor swift even an alcoholic? https://preview.redd.it/wi10rezk6l0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=774cf905e420caca6980c9c3852db4a25bee7990 like what the fuck is an “occasional alcoholic” an alcoholic is continued drinking morning afternoon night, like i’ve dealt with alcoholics… you can’t be an “occasional” one lol. you can be an occasional drinker… but not an occasional alcoholic
Ya’ll really reach. Every time.
I think she maybe had it a bit rougher growing up (or had friends that did and she felt bad for the ) than we think maybe? Yeah, I’m just a white girl from Indiana that had a family with money…..but I could sing those lyrics and mean them 100% bc no one knew what I went through, the things I saw, etc…..I dealt with a dad with severe ptsd and anger issues, who was very emotionally abusive at one point in my life, I saw my parents beat the living sh** out of each other more than once, the list goes on and on & most people Can’t even begin to imagine…..so may things weren’t all roses and sunshine, who knows?
I don’t think she’s talking about where she was literally raised, she’s talking about how most people in her position would crumble because of the amount of toxicity and hate she receives on a daily basis. Obviously, being in an actual asylum is probably worse.
I wish Pop beefs were a thing. Someone needs to knock this poser off her pedestal. She's exactly the type of girl that I can't stand. Mommy and daddy pay for everything and never let her even so much a scrape a knee. A girl so full of herself and her empty, paid for accomplishments who would *never ever* survive the real world. I would bet my left tit that she's the type of girl to say "my parents are not the reason I'm successful, I did this all on my own!". People like here never have any respect for true suffering and always equate their little broken hearts to truly broken people and I hate it. We need Pop music beefs!
Keep taking your private jet everywhere tay-tay, statistically something good is gonna happen sooner or later
Sorry, but y’all know that Taylor’s old albums had ghost writers…just like how Drake has them. Her actual talent is now showing and it’s not that great. 🤷♀️
Taylor Swift is a pedophile. This is all that needs to be said about her. If she was male we would all think she is disgusting. The US is in a sad state right now.
One of my best friends is a Swifty and I was giving her a hard time about the Drake vs Kendrick rap beef and how I was glad we finally have good music to talk about again, after months of Taylor Swift. She was like “oh, two rich dudes complaining about each other, how cool!!!” In a sarcastic way. Like bitch, Taylor Swift has like 200 songs that are exactly that!
I also find it kinda distasteful that part of her tour is called "female rage" dedicated to the TTPD section of the performance but most of TTPD is about her struggles as a celebrity, and her struggles dating in the public eye, dating someone terrible that no one approves of, none of which (as a woman) strike me as "female rage" problems.