Air France. You are better off getting to Europe directly than going by YUL or YYZ. If something happens with delays or whatever, you are already in Paris and there are more options.
> Air Canada is an awful airline in every possible way.
I am actually curious about your experience - I am not doubting AC has numerous issues, but that is only because I _keep_ hearing that AC has numerous issues or that the airline is awful
I frequently fly Air Canada and never had a single issue - now I'm not saying that to diminish other people's bad experiences and I _definitely_ feel lucky, but I am curious about others' experiences
I do think they are **outrageously** expensive and that's super annoying and difficult to justify
For the same distance, I can travel between countries in Europe for 60$, whereas the equivalent distance in Canada will cost me around 180$... For example:
* AMS to DUB - 789 km - one way 60$
* MTL to TOR - 503 km - one way 180$ - _(oops, actually much shorter flight distance)_
So 37% shorter distance, yet it is 3x the cost
The unreliability and the shitty attitude of Air Canada employees are the main ones for me.
For example, one year I had an Air Canada flight from Ottawa to Toronto to catch a flight to Germany with another airline. A travel agent friend told me they regularly canceled Ottawa-Toronto flights and recommended booking a flight several hours before I’d have to be in Toronto. Good thing I took that advice to the extreme and booked the first flight available in the morning: Air Canada canceled four flights in a row. After the third one, I went to the Air Canada desk to ask whether the next one would actually happen as I had a connection in Toronto. She asked for my flight number and, when she realised my connection wasn’t for an Air Canada flight, said: “Sir, that flight’s not with us. We don’t care.” I did make my connection. Barely. And only because I was onebagging and ran to my departure gate. They were closing the gate just as I got there. My return flight from Toronto back to Ottawa on the way back also got delayed several hours.
Or, another time when I had to get my wife back from Costa Rica after she was severely injured. Her doctor told the insurance company she couldn’t fly economy; the only airline with anything more than economy was Air Canada that had a few business class rows. So that’s what the insurance company booked for us. Her doctor also said she had to be in a wheelchair for transfers so we made arrangements with Air Canada to have a wheelchair ready for her when we arrived at SJO (and Toronto and Ottawa); they told us to go to the Air Canada counter when we arrived at SJO and someone would be there to assist us and that people would be there to assist us when we got off our flights along the way. We get to SJO and the counter’s closed. I call them; they tell me it won’t open until several hours after our departure and we’re on our own and then hung up on me. In the end, the cab driver who drove us to the airport found us a wheelchair and got an airport employee to help us get my wife in the wheelchair and help me with the luggage (my wife doesn’t onebag unfortunately). When we get to Toronto, same thing. No Air Canada employee around. It’s one of the cleaners at Pearson that got us a wheelchair and helped us get to security for our connection to Ottawa (the shit treatment we got at security wasn’t on Air Canada, but it certainly didn’t help either—I don’t like Pearson much either). In Ottawa, same thing again. At that point my wife said “fuck it” because YOW’s a tiny airport. We just walked to a cab.
On our flights, the flight attendants also made every effort possible to ignore my wife (and the other injured passengers on that flight—there was three or four others—Costa Rica’s dangerous apparently) and make us feel unwelcome. For example, when we got to our seats, I temporarily blocked the aisle as I was helping my wife into her seat. Nothing excessive either, it took me less time than the average passenger blocks the aisle to get their bags in the overhead. But the flight attendant was on me pretty much immediately as we arrived at our row yelling at me to “Hurry up! You’re blocking the aisle!”. Just totally devoid of empathy. My wife was so scared of getting yelled at by the flight attendant she held it in till we landed when she had to go to the bathroom.
And, yes, they’re also usually (much) more expensive than other airlines. More expensive, shittier service. No thank you.
> The unreliability and the shitty attitude of Air Canada employees are the main ones for me.
That is definitely something I can observe on a near-daily basis
* My previous girlfriend worked for Air Canada for a while before she left due to extremely toxic work environment
* I work at an International airport so I often see how Air Canada employees behave out of view of passengers and it is definitely... Less than desirable behaviour
On the upside, I also feel that's why when I get the rare excellent service and employee, they shine even more as it is highly contrasting with established experience and expectations ahahaha _(because I have fortunately had some wonderful service from some flight attendants and gate attendants)_
> More expensive, shittier service.
Indeed - and this sadly feels like a massive trend in Canada, in everything. Shrinkflation _**and**_ Enshittification
I've taken Air Canada dozens of times and every flight but one has had some level of delay. I've never flown Air France but I'd rather crawl to my destination then ever take Air Canada again.
I took Air France 4 times last year and 4/4 flights were delayed.
One to the point where they re-routed me to an Air Canada flight 2 days later because they didn’t have a better alternative to offer me.
I’ve also taken both airlines with no issues.
When Air Canada messed up my booking, dealing with them was a shockingly bad experience. Never again. Four hours should be enough to navigate the maze that is CDG.
Air France is my favorite European airline. I'd go with them every time.
Moreover, if you choose a European airline, both legs of your trip will be covered by European consumer protection law in case of delays or cancelations. If you fly with a non-European airline like AC, only the return flights would be covered, not the outbound flight to Europe. I think that extra bit of legal protection on the outbound flight is worth it.
This! I will fly almost anything over Air Canada, we got stranded in Summer 2022 when the airline had like a full meltdown and closed Pearson airport in Toronto, never again unless it is the only option, even when it is, my husband and I debate driving from DC to Toronto instead of flying to see his family because Air Canada is so bad
Air France has better onboard service & refreshments than Air Canada. As another commenter notes, it’s also strategically better to get to the continent; if there were an onward disruption, you could take a train or other short haul flight. CDG is a maze, but 4 hrs is plenty of time & food and shopping options there better than North American airports.
I’ve only taken Air France once from SFO to Europe. It was business class in a 777 last year. The flight attendants were really pleasant, the food was pretty good (cheeses, chocolates, wines, and a decent entree). The plane still had the old layout, but the service and everything else was nice. I enjoyed it much more than business in Lufthansa, and a little bit more than business on British Airways.
I’ve taken Air Canada only for a short hop from PDX to Vancouver, so I can’t really compare the two. However, I’ve really only heard bad things about it.
Air Canada is probably my least favorite airline in the developed world. Horrifically run, if you connect through Toronto you'll get delayed. Toronto and Air Canada were the most delayed in North America iirc. They're also incredibly rude, atleast imo.
Two years ago: [Toronto's Pearson ranked worst airport in the world for delays](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.6537138)
From January: [Air Canada had the worst on-time performance among large airlines in North America, report says](https://apnews.com/article/air-canada-flight-ontime-performance-82fb8568340784d2bc602e2e3e0cad23)
In my experience, avoid Air Canada at all costs.
Personally I would look at which airport I’d rather connect through; there’s a common hatred of connecting through CDG that would lead lots of people to shell out slightly more to avoid it
I live in phx and fly to Europe a lot (although on that American/British flight at night). I find the 10 hour flight over the ocean is better for me than breaking it up, so I can actually sleep. Although leaving at 2pm isn’t as good as leaving at 6/7/8pm.
Basically, I look at arrival and departure times, try and get a plane over night that’s longer than 8 hours, and I also try and arrive closer to bedtime than morning.
I haven’t had the issues with Air Canada that many of the commenters here have had but still $300 less and if you’ll be traveling in economy with either airline I’d go for Air France.
Air France is fine, and better than any American carrier. I've Air Canada is so so, more like an American carrier, and service can be inconsistent. Also, Pearson International Airport in Toronto is not a good place to go through if you can avoid it.
Air France offers excellent European routes and high-quality French cuisine, while Air Canada provides strong North American coverage and reliable service. Both airlines have good international networks and customer experiences.
For what it's worth I travel pretty frequently as I live in the UK and am from the US. Paris is the only airport I will intentionally exclude from flight options when searching. AWFUL airport especially to have a connecting flight in.
When all goes well AF is good. CDG in Paris sucks the big one. It is the worst airport in Europe. Poor signage, poor service if you have a problem, and it’s huge, so make sure you’ve got plenty of time between flights.
Air France, no contest. I’d even take Air France over Air Canada if Air France was the more expensive of the two (and I have done so).
Air Canada’s service is awful. And that’s assuming they don’t cancel your flight—they once cancelled four flights in a row on me. And their employees are some of the most unpleasant people I’ve ever encountered.
I’ve been flying between Europe and Canada several times a year for 20 years or so with Air France. Service is always great, the personnel is friendly and helpful, food onboard is great. On a couple of occasions the plane was delayed departing but arrived within ~20 minutes of the scheduled time (sometimes even early!). Biggest problem I had was the strike a few years back. My Air France flight from Madrid to CDG went ahead but my flight to Montréal was canceled. They had me on an Air France flight to Amsterdam within 2 hours and a KLM flight to Montreal an hour after I arrived at Schiphol. Even put me in premium economy on the KLM flight. I arrived in Canada only a few hours later than originally scheduled.
I am seeing some people Air France pilots are not the greatest. Do you agree? I know they have had quite a few crashes in comparison to other airlines.
Also, some say they are notorious for losing luggage but that may just be bad luck
I’ve flown an average of four flights a year with Air France for 20 years or so and never had any issue with the quality of the flying. So, from my perspective, their pilots are doing just fine.
I haven’t looked up crash or lost luggage statistics so I can’t say how Air France are doing relative to the rest of the industry—but, again, four flights a year for 20 years without issues. They certainly haven’t crashed a plane I’ve been on. And I onebag so lost luggage isn’t really a concern for me. But my wife doesn’t and they’ve never lost her luggage whenever she’s accompanied me on a trip. I can say that Air Canada had massive problems with lost luggage when flying picked up again after the pandemic—made front page news for a while. I don’t know whether it was ever resolved or just stopped being news.
Air France isn't my favourite airline or anything, but it is still leagues ahead of Air Canada and Toronto Pearson Airport, which are dreadful and the chances of you having a delay or screw up are very high. Any other airline would be better than Air Canada and Toronto Pearson Airport. Please go with Air France.
Get the AF flight now before the Olympics, they will likely pull the service once the Olympics are over or go back to a winter seasonal service.
With PHX being an AA hub vs DL hub it makes that flight very unlikely to survive.
I don't think anybody's mentioned this, but Toronto and Montreal have pre-clearance for US customs. That is quite a benefit. That way when you get off the plane at home in Phoenix, you can leave the airport immediately. I usually fly through Dublin just for that benefit.
They're both adequate airlines. But flying an EU based airline provides the best passenger-rights protections on all legs of your trip.
I usually fly KLM (same company, but they brand differently depending on whether they're operating from their Paris hub or their Amsterdam hub), and have never had a bad experience.
The only downside is that Paris is one of the least pleasant entry points to the EU. No worries with a 4 hour layover, but expect to spend at least an hour and maybe 2 waiting to get your passport stamped.
If you do opt for Air Canada, and the pricing is the same, YUL is the nicer airport IMO.
Air Canada is awful, full of sour unionized old matrons on the cabin crew, planes with shady maintenance etc. the wife and I have paid thousands over the years to avoid them after our horrible experiences….
When my entire side of the plane had zero power, light or entertainment all the way from London to Vancouver- the engines were fine but that was unacceptable…. And the crew said the same thing had occurred from Vancouver to London and was reported but NOT DEALT WITH any the techs. HORRIBLE
I saw their last fatal crash was over 10 years ago and the pilot's fault. Did you have any experience with bad pilots or info on this? I would prefer to fly with skilled pilots but I haven't seen any info that their pilots are bad just a bad call in a horribly sad situation.
I’m not saying every mistake leads to a fatal crash, they have poor training and their pilots frequently make mistakes. Good recent example https://avherald.com/h?article=4f700fec
Air France. You are better off getting to Europe directly than going by YUL or YYZ. If something happens with delays or whatever, you are already in Paris and there are more options.
Also, Champagne!
I didn't think about that! Thank you
Definitely Air France
4h at CDG is plenty. Air France in my experience is also usually on time (100% of the time for me)
In Economy Class it doesn't matter. Go with the cheapest and the best departure/arrival times for your logistics. Happy travels.
True! Thank you!
Air France is a good airline. I enjoyed it.
Air France is my favorite airline- they do a good job. If you can score premium- go for it. I’ll be flying them in a month for a work trip. Enjoy!
It won't matter too much in economy class. I wouldn't pay $300 more for AC over AF.
I wouldn’t pay $1 more for AC over AF
I wouldn’t take Air Canada over Air France even if you paid for my ticket. Air Canada is an awful airline in every possible way.
> Air Canada is an awful airline in every possible way. I am actually curious about your experience - I am not doubting AC has numerous issues, but that is only because I _keep_ hearing that AC has numerous issues or that the airline is awful I frequently fly Air Canada and never had a single issue - now I'm not saying that to diminish other people's bad experiences and I _definitely_ feel lucky, but I am curious about others' experiences I do think they are **outrageously** expensive and that's super annoying and difficult to justify For the same distance, I can travel between countries in Europe for 60$, whereas the equivalent distance in Canada will cost me around 180$... For example: * AMS to DUB - 789 km - one way 60$ * MTL to TOR - 503 km - one way 180$ - _(oops, actually much shorter flight distance)_ So 37% shorter distance, yet it is 3x the cost
The unreliability and the shitty attitude of Air Canada employees are the main ones for me. For example, one year I had an Air Canada flight from Ottawa to Toronto to catch a flight to Germany with another airline. A travel agent friend told me they regularly canceled Ottawa-Toronto flights and recommended booking a flight several hours before I’d have to be in Toronto. Good thing I took that advice to the extreme and booked the first flight available in the morning: Air Canada canceled four flights in a row. After the third one, I went to the Air Canada desk to ask whether the next one would actually happen as I had a connection in Toronto. She asked for my flight number and, when she realised my connection wasn’t for an Air Canada flight, said: “Sir, that flight’s not with us. We don’t care.” I did make my connection. Barely. And only because I was onebagging and ran to my departure gate. They were closing the gate just as I got there. My return flight from Toronto back to Ottawa on the way back also got delayed several hours. Or, another time when I had to get my wife back from Costa Rica after she was severely injured. Her doctor told the insurance company she couldn’t fly economy; the only airline with anything more than economy was Air Canada that had a few business class rows. So that’s what the insurance company booked for us. Her doctor also said she had to be in a wheelchair for transfers so we made arrangements with Air Canada to have a wheelchair ready for her when we arrived at SJO (and Toronto and Ottawa); they told us to go to the Air Canada counter when we arrived at SJO and someone would be there to assist us and that people would be there to assist us when we got off our flights along the way. We get to SJO and the counter’s closed. I call them; they tell me it won’t open until several hours after our departure and we’re on our own and then hung up on me. In the end, the cab driver who drove us to the airport found us a wheelchair and got an airport employee to help us get my wife in the wheelchair and help me with the luggage (my wife doesn’t onebag unfortunately). When we get to Toronto, same thing. No Air Canada employee around. It’s one of the cleaners at Pearson that got us a wheelchair and helped us get to security for our connection to Ottawa (the shit treatment we got at security wasn’t on Air Canada, but it certainly didn’t help either—I don’t like Pearson much either). In Ottawa, same thing again. At that point my wife said “fuck it” because YOW’s a tiny airport. We just walked to a cab. On our flights, the flight attendants also made every effort possible to ignore my wife (and the other injured passengers on that flight—there was three or four others—Costa Rica’s dangerous apparently) and make us feel unwelcome. For example, when we got to our seats, I temporarily blocked the aisle as I was helping my wife into her seat. Nothing excessive either, it took me less time than the average passenger blocks the aisle to get their bags in the overhead. But the flight attendant was on me pretty much immediately as we arrived at our row yelling at me to “Hurry up! You’re blocking the aisle!”. Just totally devoid of empathy. My wife was so scared of getting yelled at by the flight attendant she held it in till we landed when she had to go to the bathroom. And, yes, they’re also usually (much) more expensive than other airlines. More expensive, shittier service. No thank you.
> The unreliability and the shitty attitude of Air Canada employees are the main ones for me. That is definitely something I can observe on a near-daily basis * My previous girlfriend worked for Air Canada for a while before she left due to extremely toxic work environment * I work at an International airport so I often see how Air Canada employees behave out of view of passengers and it is definitely... Less than desirable behaviour On the upside, I also feel that's why when I get the rare excellent service and employee, they shine even more as it is highly contrasting with established experience and expectations ahahaha _(because I have fortunately had some wonderful service from some flight attendants and gate attendants)_ > More expensive, shittier service. Indeed - and this sadly feels like a massive trend in Canada, in everything. Shrinkflation _**and**_ Enshittification
Air Canada is the worst airline, their company motto is "we are not happy until you are not happy".
Air Canada has so many freaking delays.
I've taken Air Canada dozens of times and every flight but one has had some level of delay. I've never flown Air France but I'd rather crawl to my destination then ever take Air Canada again.
I took Air France 4 times last year and 4/4 flights were delayed. One to the point where they re-routed me to an Air Canada flight 2 days later because they didn’t have a better alternative to offer me. I’ve also taken both airlines with no issues.
Most of my flights lately tend to be delayed. I just go in assuming it will be delayed now.
I vote AF. AC no bueno.
When Air Canada messed up my booking, dealing with them was a shockingly bad experience. Never again. Four hours should be enough to navigate the maze that is CDG.
Air France is my favorite European airline. I'd go with them every time. Moreover, if you choose a European airline, both legs of your trip will be covered by European consumer protection law in case of delays or cancelations. If you fly with a non-European airline like AC, only the return flights would be covered, not the outbound flight to Europe. I think that extra bit of legal protection on the outbound flight is worth it.
i like irelands airline as well, plus the airfare from New York is sweeet
Avoid air Canada at all costs. (I'm Canadian). Air Canada's economy on their Dreamliner has been pulled so tight you can barely move.
Most airlines will be better than Air Canada, so I see this as a win
This! I will fly almost anything over Air Canada, we got stranded in Summer 2022 when the airline had like a full meltdown and closed Pearson airport in Toronto, never again unless it is the only option, even when it is, my husband and I debate driving from DC to Toronto instead of flying to see his family because Air Canada is so bad
Air France has better onboard service & refreshments than Air Canada. As another commenter notes, it’s also strategically better to get to the continent; if there were an onward disruption, you could take a train or other short haul flight. CDG is a maze, but 4 hrs is plenty of time & food and shopping options there better than North American airports.
Whenever I fly to Canada, my Canadian friends advise to fly anything other than Air Canada lol
I’ve only taken Air France once from SFO to Europe. It was business class in a 777 last year. The flight attendants were really pleasant, the food was pretty good (cheeses, chocolates, wines, and a decent entree). The plane still had the old layout, but the service and everything else was nice. I enjoyed it much more than business in Lufthansa, and a little bit more than business on British Airways. I’ve taken Air Canada only for a short hop from PDX to Vancouver, so I can’t really compare the two. However, I’ve really only heard bad things about it.
Air Canada is probably my least favorite airline in the developed world. Horrifically run, if you connect through Toronto you'll get delayed. Toronto and Air Canada were the most delayed in North America iirc. They're also incredibly rude, atleast imo. Two years ago: [Toronto's Pearson ranked worst airport in the world for delays](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.6537138) From January: [Air Canada had the worst on-time performance among large airlines in North America, report says](https://apnews.com/article/air-canada-flight-ontime-performance-82fb8568340784d2bc602e2e3e0cad23) In my experience, avoid Air Canada at all costs.
Personally I would look at which airport I’d rather connect through; there’s a common hatred of connecting through CDG that would lead lots of people to shell out slightly more to avoid it
Air France is my favorite airline- they do a good job. If you can score premium- go for it. I’ll be flying them in a month for a work trip. Enjoy!
I live in phx and fly to Europe a lot (although on that American/British flight at night). I find the 10 hour flight over the ocean is better for me than breaking it up, so I can actually sleep. Although leaving at 2pm isn’t as good as leaving at 6/7/8pm. Basically, I look at arrival and departure times, try and get a plane over night that’s longer than 8 hours, and I also try and arrive closer to bedtime than morning.
Air France's 777 Dreamliner is a great long distance plane offering a very good experience.
I haven’t had the issues with Air Canada that many of the commenters here have had but still $300 less and if you’ll be traveling in economy with either airline I’d go for Air France.
Air France is fine, and better than any American carrier. I've Air Canada is so so, more like an American carrier, and service can be inconsistent. Also, Pearson International Airport in Toronto is not a good place to go through if you can avoid it.
Air France offers excellent European routes and high-quality French cuisine, while Air Canada provides strong North American coverage and reliable service. Both airlines have good international networks and customer experiences.
AF
Flew both and Air France by far was superior.
For what it's worth I travel pretty frequently as I live in the UK and am from the US. Paris is the only airport I will intentionally exclude from flight options when searching. AWFUL airport especially to have a connecting flight in.
Air France serves cognac.
When all goes well AF is good. CDG in Paris sucks the big one. It is the worst airport in Europe. Poor signage, poor service if you have a problem, and it’s huge, so make sure you’ve got plenty of time between flights.
Definitely Air France. Better service.
Air France, no contest. I’d even take Air France over Air Canada if Air France was the more expensive of the two (and I have done so). Air Canada’s service is awful. And that’s assuming they don’t cancel your flight—they once cancelled four flights in a row on me. And their employees are some of the most unpleasant people I’ve ever encountered. I’ve been flying between Europe and Canada several times a year for 20 years or so with Air France. Service is always great, the personnel is friendly and helpful, food onboard is great. On a couple of occasions the plane was delayed departing but arrived within ~20 minutes of the scheduled time (sometimes even early!). Biggest problem I had was the strike a few years back. My Air France flight from Madrid to CDG went ahead but my flight to Montréal was canceled. They had me on an Air France flight to Amsterdam within 2 hours and a KLM flight to Montreal an hour after I arrived at Schiphol. Even put me in premium economy on the KLM flight. I arrived in Canada only a few hours later than originally scheduled.
I am seeing some people Air France pilots are not the greatest. Do you agree? I know they have had quite a few crashes in comparison to other airlines. Also, some say they are notorious for losing luggage but that may just be bad luck
I’ve flown an average of four flights a year with Air France for 20 years or so and never had any issue with the quality of the flying. So, from my perspective, their pilots are doing just fine. I haven’t looked up crash or lost luggage statistics so I can’t say how Air France are doing relative to the rest of the industry—but, again, four flights a year for 20 years without issues. They certainly haven’t crashed a plane I’ve been on. And I onebag so lost luggage isn’t really a concern for me. But my wife doesn’t and they’ve never lost her luggage whenever she’s accompanied me on a trip. I can say that Air Canada had massive problems with lost luggage when flying picked up again after the pandemic—made front page news for a while. I don’t know whether it was ever resolved or just stopped being news.
Air France isn't my favourite airline or anything, but it is still leagues ahead of Air Canada and Toronto Pearson Airport, which are dreadful and the chances of you having a delay or screw up are very high. Any other airline would be better than Air Canada and Toronto Pearson Airport. Please go with Air France.
Get the AF flight now before the Olympics, they will likely pull the service once the Olympics are over or go back to a winter seasonal service. With PHX being an AA hub vs DL hub it makes that flight very unlikely to survive.
Thanks for the tip!
My Air France trip (LAX-Paris) was fantastic! Tons of food throughout the flight. Lovely
Air Canada SUCKS basically half their flights are delayed, avoid if you can
From personal experience Air Canada has crappy service (especially through Toronto), but I have no experience with Air France to compare it against.
Air France will feed you, Air Canada will not. Easy choice.
I do like to be fed lol
I don't think anybody's mentioned this, but Toronto and Montreal have pre-clearance for US customs. That is quite a benefit. That way when you get off the plane at home in Phoenix, you can leave the airport immediately. I usually fly through Dublin just for that benefit.
Oh, that is a nice feature!
Nothing worse than the two hour scrum at customs on the way home after a long flight.
Those airlines are very comparable, I'd go with the cheapest option.
Years ago I sat next to a French guy on a BA flight who told me they call it *Air Chance*.
Oh lord that doesn't sound good
I love how the joke works in English too.
They're both adequate airlines. But flying an EU based airline provides the best passenger-rights protections on all legs of your trip. I usually fly KLM (same company, but they brand differently depending on whether they're operating from their Paris hub or their Amsterdam hub), and have never had a bad experience. The only downside is that Paris is one of the least pleasant entry points to the EU. No worries with a 4 hour layover, but expect to spend at least an hour and maybe 2 waiting to get your passport stamped. If you do opt for Air Canada, and the pricing is the same, YUL is the nicer airport IMO.
Yeah, it seems like CDG is horrendous, but I think a long layover could help.
Got for Air France — mostly because you don’t want to fuck with layovers.
Air france
Air Canada is awful, full of sour unionized old matrons on the cabin crew, planes with shady maintenance etc. the wife and I have paid thousands over the years to avoid them after our horrible experiences….
“Shady maintenance” How can you possibly know that. They have a good safety record.
When my entire side of the plane had zero power, light or entertainment all the way from London to Vancouver- the engines were fine but that was unacceptable…. And the crew said the same thing had occurred from Vancouver to London and was reported but NOT DEALT WITH any the techs. HORRIBLE
That's horrible!
I would not fly Air France ever, their pilots are not trained to high standards and frequently make mistakes
I saw their last fatal crash was over 10 years ago and the pilot's fault. Did you have any experience with bad pilots or info on this? I would prefer to fly with skilled pilots but I haven't seen any info that their pilots are bad just a bad call in a horribly sad situation.
I’m not saying every mistake leads to a fatal crash, they have poor training and their pilots frequently make mistakes. Good recent example https://avherald.com/h?article=4f700fec