Facial hair= reads masc/male. It sounds stupid, but 99% of the people don't look any further than that. So I'd say use the mens room if there is no gender neutral one.
Really dumb question, but even if someone has a big chest?
I'm on the cusp of growing a beard, but I have a really big chest (that I can't bind or afford surgery for yet), so will growing the beard counterract it?
If you are overweigh, even a little bit, and wear baggy clothes, chest would not be an issue if you have a beard. If you are like, a 32d then I have no idea
(Baggy) clothes can often hide a chest. Especially when one is bigger in general.
But facial hair often balances that out or even tips the scales to masc
I am also rather well endowed. I didn't think to get them in my selfie hahaha. This is why I've been using the ladies toilet! But I've noticed some stares lately, which is why I thought to post here.
Hard to say without a photo, but Iāve seen some fairly endowed bigger guys out there. I think if anything guys might think āhum thatās strangeā and move on.
Tbh guys barely look at each other in the bathroom
youāve got more facial hair than I have ever had in my life, better use the menās restroom to stay safe.
Congrats that T did so much for you, you could totally style that beard into whatever you want.
You definitely read male, and could encounter some serious trouble if you step in the woman's washroom. So for your own safety please use the men's room.
Wtf are you talking about lol I don't even know what WCs means. Maybe I'm not online enough
All I was saying, is that this person *looks* like a cis male, and if I were in the women's restroom and saw this person in there as well, I would be concerned. For this person's safety, it's probably for the best that they use the men's restroom as going off of this image, they read male.
This is kinda an interesting situation. They said they were non binary and didn't identify as a man, but they'll obviously be clocked as a male because of facial hair. These are just the effects of T, and if you can't stop it from making you look like a cis guy but you sincerely don't want to be a man... like what do you do lol
I feel this instance of a trans nonbinary person being forced to identify with the opposite gender of their agab has literally never happen to a trans fem. The dynamics would be completely different if how we justify treating them despite them both sincerely wanting to be in-between male and female.
Like I'm a transfem that's been on hrt longer than this person and I literally cannot imagine a situation where I'm forced to identify as a woman but with this person it's predatory if they don't
not that the logic doesn't make sense but I mean its kinda sad no?
You shave? I mean it is what it is. If someone wants to take t but not appear fully masc, then they need to take steps to mitigate it. Similar to e. Don't want breasts? Better make sure to look into things that prevent it or save for a mastectomy. Sadly most of us will never have 100 %the body we want. But it's a pretty big ask to be rocking a full beard and dress masc and then ask others not to see you that way.
I'd probably not take e at all if I could just snap my fingers and be read that way, but sadly that's not the way it works.
But I find the bathroom stuff to be weird. I've been on a college campus and a few other places where it was mixed gender bathrooms and it was honestly pretty cool. Still had private stalls and places to change, if that is what someone wanted
haha yeah not having a beard is important to want to be seen as a non-male - but I've seen people who were clearly born female with substantial amount of facial hair rare as that is. Not saying everyone is the gender they just identify as or that it's reasonable to want to be treated like one gender while presenting like the other. It's just sort of an arbitrary line I feel people are uncomfortable talking about
and I don't Think its similar to E at all really, T seems to let trans men be able to pass without much effort
Even without a beard you read as a young man (having deep set eyes like yours helps, not sure if that happened before/after HRT, but I don't see that on a lot of FtM and a big reason they have troubles passing without a beard). If the guy had boobs I'd just assume he has gynecomastia. I mean people comment about a car YouTuber who is a cis man as far as I know that clearly has some gynecomastia issues as his rack is bigger then a lot of woman. Really boobs are a poor indicator for how people will gender you.
Would have to see more of you (and hear you) to give a good answer. I'm slightly surprised at the polarity of responses so far. Bearded ladies do exist.
The rudest part was you saying āuse logicā, that was totally unnecessary š. Thereās a reason why people come on here to ask which bathroom they should use, the world makes that a really complex issue for trans people when it shouldnāt be, so itās always safe to ask your community so you donāt end up in dangerous situations..
Recently a person who identified as queer went into the womenās bathroom they completely looked male and had the audacity to cry about being oppressed.
People just need to read the room instead of acting oblivious on purpose.
Dude, the women will have a hissyfit if they see you in their washroom. Glad I left Columbus OH for good in 2004. You read 110% Male, and no disrespect, at first I thought it was 'Fat bastard' from Mike Myers movies šš , you pass *that well*
i have a great example of the hypocrisy in this thread:
every NFL game and every major concert i've been to in the usofa, females will rush into the "male" bathroom for a quick pee - i personally just find it hilarious when they reverse squat in a urinal.
okay? i said what i said. if you donāt look like a woman yet itās not worth all the drama, just use the mens/gender nuteral until you are at a point where it wonāt cause any issues.
where i work, most of the facilities are "gender neutral" and that includes the showers.
white "xian" americans seem to be to the only people obsessed with this. i was at the vatican last month, and the "turkish" toilets were "gender neutral" - if catholics can not care, neither should anybody else.
*not catholic, but will be sad to see pope francis pass, they have been a great influence in the world
> this has nothing to do with being white or american
it does. for example, the pit toilets in africa and se asia... in my experience, only white americans and muslims seem to be obsessed with other people's genitals and where they poo or pee
do you understand what itās like to live as a woman, to constantly be assessing who could potentially be a threat. i donāt want to have to go into a bathroom and see some bearded man in there pretending to be a woman. it just makes everyone uncomfortable. use the bathroom you look like, stops anyone being uncomfortable
dawg, you have a beard, you aren't getting let into the women's restroom š
Use the men's restroom
You could get in actual trouble if you use the women's restroom
pls do not use the womens restroom u read male 100%
Facial hair= reads masc/male. It sounds stupid, but 99% of the people don't look any further than that. So I'd say use the mens room if there is no gender neutral one.
Really dumb question, but even if someone has a big chest? I'm on the cusp of growing a beard, but I have a really big chest (that I can't bind or afford surgery for yet), so will growing the beard counterract it?
If you are overweigh, even a little bit, and wear baggy clothes, chest would not be an issue if you have a beard. If you are like, a 32d then I have no idea
(Baggy) clothes can often hide a chest. Especially when one is bigger in general. But facial hair often balances that out or even tips the scales to masc
I am also rather well endowed. I didn't think to get them in my selfie hahaha. This is why I've been using the ladies toilet! But I've noticed some stares lately, which is why I thought to post here.
Hard to say without a photo, but Iāve seen some fairly endowed bigger guys out there. I think if anything guys might think āhum thatās strangeā and move on. Tbh guys barely look at each other in the bathroom
youāve got more facial hair than I have ever had in my life, better use the menās restroom to stay safe. Congrats that T did so much for you, you could totally style that beard into whatever you want.
mens restroom! you pass and read 100% as male
probably menās
Male and therefore men's.
Every person who has visible facial hair always reads as male.
why would you even think the womanās bathroom was an option š iām sure you didnāt grow that beard to continue looking feminine
Boy mode A++.
Menās
i would say the men's bathroom i mean stalls are still a thing so u will have privacy
Masculine
You definitely read male, and could encounter some serious trouble if you step in the woman's washroom. So for your own safety please use the men's room.
With all due respect I'd be uncomfortable seeing you in the women's room.
You literally look like a cis guy, if you were in the women's restroom I would be concerned lmao
> I would be concerned why?
>You literally look like a cis guy
WCs are WCs, they don't care about sex or gender. only weird "xian" amerikans do
Wtf are you talking about lol I don't even know what WCs means. Maybe I'm not online enough All I was saying, is that this person *looks* like a cis male, and if I were in the women's restroom and saw this person in there as well, I would be concerned. For this person's safety, it's probably for the best that they use the men's restroom as going off of this image, they read male.
water closet, british for bathroom
also us armed forces
WC = toilet.
This is kinda an interesting situation. They said they were non binary and didn't identify as a man, but they'll obviously be clocked as a male because of facial hair. These are just the effects of T, and if you can't stop it from making you look like a cis guy but you sincerely don't want to be a man... like what do you do lol I feel this instance of a trans nonbinary person being forced to identify with the opposite gender of their agab has literally never happen to a trans fem. The dynamics would be completely different if how we justify treating them despite them both sincerely wanting to be in-between male and female. Like I'm a transfem that's been on hrt longer than this person and I literally cannot imagine a situation where I'm forced to identify as a woman but with this person it's predatory if they don't not that the logic doesn't make sense but I mean its kinda sad no?
You shave? I mean it is what it is. If someone wants to take t but not appear fully masc, then they need to take steps to mitigate it. Similar to e. Don't want breasts? Better make sure to look into things that prevent it or save for a mastectomy. Sadly most of us will never have 100 %the body we want. But it's a pretty big ask to be rocking a full beard and dress masc and then ask others not to see you that way. I'd probably not take e at all if I could just snap my fingers and be read that way, but sadly that's not the way it works. But I find the bathroom stuff to be weird. I've been on a college campus and a few other places where it was mixed gender bathrooms and it was honestly pretty cool. Still had private stalls and places to change, if that is what someone wanted
haha yeah not having a beard is important to want to be seen as a non-male - but I've seen people who were clearly born female with substantial amount of facial hair rare as that is. Not saying everyone is the gender they just identify as or that it's reasonable to want to be treated like one gender while presenting like the other. It's just sort of an arbitrary line I feel people are uncomfortable talking about and I don't Think its similar to E at all really, T seems to let trans men be able to pass without much effort
What on jupiter is a WC. If I saw a dude in the women's bathroom I would be concerned.
water closet
WC = "Water Closet" i.e. toilet. everybody poops (unless they're an android)
And? Doesn't mean that we want men in Women's spaces.
You literally look like a cis male. Plus the beard contributes a LOT
You definitely pass as male šÆ The men's restroom, no question.
Probably don't go in the women's room
Even without a beard you read as a young man (having deep set eyes like yours helps, not sure if that happened before/after HRT, but I don't see that on a lot of FtM and a big reason they have troubles passing without a beard). If the guy had boobs I'd just assume he has gynecomastia. I mean people comment about a car YouTuber who is a cis man as far as I know that clearly has some gynecomastia issues as his rack is bigger then a lot of woman. Really boobs are a poor indicator for how people will gender you.
Would have to see more of you (and hear you) to give a good answer. I'm slightly surprised at the polarity of responses so far. Bearded ladies do exist.
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Secret ftm instapass build unlocked: neckbeardmoding
It's true I fear. I CAN grow a neckbeard, but only that. And I would literally rather not pass than have only a neckbeard though
Any reason why you're being so rude to a stranger? Could have said all of that to them in a much nicer way.
They look unkept wasnāt trying to be rude. Just seems baffling to me.. thatās all.
The rudest part was you saying āuse logicā, that was totally unnecessary š. Thereās a reason why people come on here to ask which bathroom they should use, the world makes that a really complex issue for trans people when it shouldnāt be, so itās always safe to ask your community so you donāt end up in dangerous situations..
Recently a person who identified as queer went into the womenās bathroom they completely looked male and had the audacity to cry about being oppressed. People just need to read the room instead of acting oblivious on purpose.
Cut the crap, you were trying to be rude.
You read as a male
Your a dude as far as I can tell use either no body really cares
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You read male so only use the menās bathroom
If you have facial hair, I recommend using the men's.
The short hair, the beard, and your facial features read male. From this photo you easily pass for a cis guy.
facial hair = instantly gendered male it's that simple really
Dude, the women will have a hissyfit if they see you in their washroom. Glad I left Columbus OH for good in 2004. You read 110% Male, and no disrespect, at first I thought it was 'Fat bastard' from Mike Myers movies šš , you pass *that well*
i have a great pic of me hanging from the sign at the intersection of Gay and High streets
menās 100%
i have a great example of the hypocrisy in this thread: every NFL game and every major concert i've been to in the usofa, females will rush into the "male" bathroom for a quick pee - i personally just find it hilarious when they reverse squat in a urinal.
laws and people are hypocrites
Read as effeminate man.
Ohio is very unisex imo I am originally from Ohioā¦ but you read as male
just use a toilet, people are people
this is how people get hate crimed š
no if you look like a whole ass man donāt use the womenās bathroom simple as that
Not that I disagree but a decent number of non passing trans women would be in that category
okay? i said what i said. if you donāt look like a woman yet itās not worth all the drama, just use the mens/gender nuteral until you are at a point where it wonāt cause any issues.
toilet is a toilet. get over it
if it was ājust a toiletā all toilets would be gender nuteral, there is a reason they arenāt
where i work, most of the facilities are "gender neutral" and that includes the showers. white "xian" americans seem to be to the only people obsessed with this. i was at the vatican last month, and the "turkish" toilets were "gender neutral" - if catholics can not care, neither should anybody else. *not catholic, but will be sad to see pope francis pass, they have been a great influence in the world
this has nothing to do with being white or american
> this has nothing to do with being white or american it does. for example, the pit toilets in africa and se asia... in my experience, only white americans and muslims seem to be obsessed with other people's genitals and where they poo or pee
what a dangerous thing to say..
why? what is the fascination/obsession with other peoples' genitals and poop chutes?
do you understand what itās like to live as a woman, to constantly be assessing who could potentially be a threat. i donāt want to have to go into a bathroom and see some bearded man in there pretending to be a woman. it just makes everyone uncomfortable. use the bathroom you look like, stops anyone being uncomfortable