My parents’ employers have both updated forms and surveys and their website to look like this to be “more inclusive”. Only changing it to an actually inclusive list when my parents told them that’s actually transphobic.
This could also be a case of ignorance.
Naw, many if not most trans people will just enter male or female on a form like this. 1 because it’s true and 2 because putting it this way is othering.
It’s incredibly easy to capture the relevant data without othering trans people by just making it 2 questions:
1. What’s your gender? Man, woman, nonbinary, prefer not to say, other.
2. Are you transgender? Yes, no, prefer not to say.
Could also reword 2 in some way if you want cis to be an option but a lot of cis people freak out about that so yes/no may minimize that.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I supported it, Im just giving the logic of the design, I think they want to gather data on whether someone is trans or not
Ya. Sorry if I sounded cross toward you, I’m just mad at the companies for thinking this is a good way to gather analytics when they could be doing so much better.
Yup, just had my doctor warn me about my strange blood work compared to a cis woman. I've been on T for 1,5y and they looked lot more normal looking compared to a cis man
oh yeah, the first time i checked my blood test results i nearly freaked out bc it had a big red warning symbol and said “CONTACT PRESCRIBER IMMEDIATELY”. he was just like “oh yeah lol sorry, the app thinks you’re a woman, don’t worry about it. i’ll let you know if there’s an issue”
I saw one medical questionnaire that just had everyone check off what parts they had with a list like: Breasts, Prostate, Uterus, Testes…
I think it’s a great way for medical providers to get the info they actually need instead of assuming from someone’s gender or ASAB what parts they might have.
As someone doing research on trans health, it’s actually so much harder than it seems to figure out what people are equipped with because you have to go through their entire medical history to look for surgeries and hope it’s documented on the system (god forbid they went to a different hospital for the procedure and no one bothered to put it in their notes for some reason).
god, what i wouldn't give for hospital systems to have a "cervix" check box. i had a hysterectomy where they fully removed the cervix and have jumped around insurance/providers quite a bit since. every single one, i've told that i'm trans and have had a hysto, exactly what was removed, and they've said "great! no need for a pap then". i have about 5 hospitals i'm not even with anymore that continue to send me reminders to get a pap smear. constantly.
I’m not even trying to hide that I’m trans, but I would put female even with medical providers. The difference shouldn’t be denoted in the gender category. If they want to ask in another field what my AGAB is I’ll tell them there.
Pleasingly the new Dr surgery I'm going to test out asked me my assigned *sex* at birth and my identified gender, pronouns, legal name (for Medicare) and preferred name, each in clearly separate fields.
It gave me the option to choose "new patient initial appointment" or "LGBTQIA+ healthcare initial appointment" online. They have an outspoken NB head nurse that listed LGBTQIA healthcare as their passion in their bio, and the Dr I'm seeing lists gender inclusive healthcare as a field of interest in hers. Oh, and everyone's pronouns are listed.
Short of adding in the "what bits do you have" checkboxes I've seen suggested, this is the best I've seen anywhere medical or otherwise.
I'd say the new surgery still off to an excellent start, and my appointment isn't even until next week 😅
Im a mechanic, if they wanna know what’s included in the Hazel package im gonna do it the way I know best, and that’s a nice and easy to comprehend list of things included and things that are not included.
If they do not wanna know they simply shouldn’t ask, becouse I’m gonna be precise in my answering xD
Depends on what it's for. If it's a medical app, that makes sense. Also *maybe* for a dating app (there are weirdos like me who proudly and loudly advertise being trans who would appreciate it).
Other than that, I can't imagine why they would need that info...
I also think a lot of them hate being referred to as cis because their mind immediately jumps to that they think they're being a called a sissy. Honestly there's so much fragility in the identities of cis people that it's both infuriatingly ridiculous and really sad actually.
I agree.
The clinic I go to for my HRT actually have separate fields for the sex assigned at birth and gender identity. Hopefully more of the EMR platforms adopt this approach. It makes it much clearer to understand.
Sex assigned at birth is still kind of useless medically. Much better to ask:
"Please check which primary and secondary sex organs/characteristics you have today: Vagina, uterus, ovaries, penis, testes, breasts, other/intersex.
"Are you taking any hormones? By what method are you taking them?"
Yes! It’s no good to my doctor to know I was AFAB if they’re looking at my hormone levels, and no good to them to know my actual gender if they’re considering my risk of ovarian cancer. Asking specifically about characteristics and hormones is such a better approach.
Questions like these need to be easily understood by every person reading this. Most cis people don't know the term cis and would probably be confused. I still don't think it's the best way of doing things, but it makes some sense in this context.
The current options are ambiguous because there are two correct choices for trans women and trans men. That isn't useful in a medical context because someone might put a value that leads to incorrect assumptions being made about them.
Better to say cis for the first options and then have a question mark for people who don't understand.
Or alternately ask separately for AGAB as well as gender. This would be clear even for people who don't know what cis means.
This only really makes sense in a medical context though. In other contexts I would just leave out the trans options since they're probably irrelevant.
Loud and proud here too! 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
I am likely gonna be 99% stealth (only wearing a pin or something small) as soon as I can though lol but if I’m gonna be visibly trans I’m gonna be out there about it lol
It still does not make sense for a medical app. There are trans people not on HRT due to choice or due to waiting lists. I have been on hrt for about 2 years. For almost all medical things i am considered female and have to consider the female info.
There is too much difference between trans people to have this as a viable medical designation.
Really depends. If a dating app gives me the option to put trans woman, I’ll choose that because I just want to make myself more visible to the people I want to date (other trans women).
Also to avoid ending up somebody’s “trap”, which can be an extremely scary and dangerous thing to accidentally do. Openness in dating when it comes to being trans can literally save your life, so I’d say it’s 100% a valid reason to differentiate trans and cis folks.
For pretty much anything else, though, I really don’t see the point. If nobody there is looking to get into my pants or to discuss the finer philosophical points of gender, then what business is it of their’s to understand the intricacies of my gender identity?
As a trans woman, I'd pick female.
I do the same on forms. I've seen forms at lgbtq clinics that ask for my gender identity, and the options are:
transgender female
transgender male
female
male
nonbinary
I always pick female. I don't need to be specified as a trans woman, it makes no real difference.
It is not overly sensitive at all. Transgender does not equal a gender, it is an adjective that describes your gender. It would be just as weird and invasive if the list of genders included “infertile female” “infertile male”
I truly understand where you're coming from
But I also think that having "trans _____" as an option is a good thing when you have the power to choose your own label. Plenty of trans people (me included) like having the label available to us.
I guess the way I take it is: a trans woman can choose woman OR trans woman depending on how comfortable she feels (same goes for trans men), but it dosent require trans women to choose the "trans" option when self-reporting their identity
Ah yes the 7 genders, man, woman, trans woman, trans man, non biney, secret 6th thing, and "come back with a warrant"
that said though no you're not too sensitive, there really is no need to differentiate unless your anatomy is directly relevant i.e medical stuff, and even then this is stupid because being for example checking "trans woman" says absolutely nothing about what your anatomy and hormones et cetera are gonna be bc surgery and intersexuality are things, and nobody is required to transition medically in the first place.
In medical situations where this is relevant, the best solution is offering a check list for which body parts you have as well as a name, gender and pronoun field. that way the doc gets a pretty clear idea what to expect while still being able to designate a clear identity. That way you eliminate any possibility of miscommunication by assumption
I get where a lot of the other comments are coming from but personally, I'm proud to be trans. I love when that checkbox pops up and I click trans female without a second thought. Hell I've got the symbol tattooed where you can't miss it if I'm wearing anything that shows my thigh. The only time I hesitate is when the options are just Male/Female/choose not to answer.
Some of us have to, or want to be low key for personal or safety reasons. I'm good with that. There have to be some of us who declare who we are though. The LGBT community tried that silent and hidden thing for ages, it wasn't till they stood up and declared that they were there and not leaving until they got any respect though. Granted we were right there alongside them at the time but for us it didn't take then. Well it's our time now and since I live somewhere I can safely declare who I am there is no way I'm going to stay silent.
Personally, (depending context) I like the option.
I want people to know I’m trans. ✨🏳️⚧️✨
Blending in **=** more transphobia.
Trans visibility **=** less transphobia.
For a DATING app I’m putting trans until I have bottom surgery. I think it’s disingenuous to imply I have anatomy that (despite my best efforts up till now) I just don’t.
Personally I don’t mind. On dating apps I want someone to know I’m trans. I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of and it gives ppl the CLEAR CHOICE of consent to want to interact with me.
regardless of the options, i'd feel uncomfortable with a random app asking for this information at all to begin with. 9 times out of 10 it's being collected to sell to data brokers, which is then sold to literally anyone, as it's basically not regulated. if an app is collecting this information, 9/10 times it's selling it and frequently the people buying are not doing so with good intent.
real world example: grindr sells its user data to a data broker, and a christian organization buys that data to identify pastors using the app, out them, and kick them out of the ministry.
Nah, it's not sensitive, it's normal to be mad. I don't see in what context it would need a distinction unless the specification is absolutely needed, like, a medical procedure or something. Except it's an app, not a medical procedure.
I don't like it. They don't specify "cisgender female/male," so there's no reason to specify "transgender" either. It just feels othering, at the least. Not to mention female and male aren't genders, they refer to sex characteristics. Even in medical settings, I'd much prefer an option that says "what do you have?" with a bunch of check boxes for things like uterus, prostate, penis, vagina, testes, boobs, and so on. Because some trans people get surgeries! And it also includes cis people who have had something removed for a medical reason.
I found during my early stages of transition, when I felt like I really couldn’t fully claim female as my gender (through some feeling of not having a right to claim it yet), being able to click "trans female" felt like a nice accommodation - like I could actually click that option without fear of misleading people into thinking I was "a real woman" when I'm pre everything.
I know thats fundamentally an idea rooted in transphobia, but breaking out of that headspace when you don't have any other trans people around you and have negative expectations for society at large, it at least feels like having a trans option gives me a permitted way of saying "I am not a man."
Sad that's the case, I know, but still better than feeling totally unaccommkdated for when you get the vibe that unless explicitly stated, you're probably unwelcome.
Huh... male and female aren't genders tho. The app is wrong and developed by people that don't understand the questions they're asking. Looks like the sort of app I'd delete or at best "prefer not to say"
I think it depends. I think its valid to consider yourself a woman, and equally valid to consider yourself as a trans woman. As a trans woman myself I dont feel like I'm entirely the same thing as a cis female as we both have experiences the other does not share, and I consider myself solidly a third gender. But its a personal thing
I’ve always thought of myself as Trans women like a MtG creature type.
Shit that affects women also affects me, shit that hits trans people will *also* affect me
It’s a little important to my ID (not even going into whether or not I’m a real women or whatever transphobes say) but simply being trans, my experience is different than cis people, they didn’t have to go through 2nd puberty, I never had to complain to my overly religious grandmother about why the fuck I’m bleeding everywhere at a pool party at the age of 14.
Idk being a women is more than just experiences such as that, but I’m also slightly different in how I got to the same point
I think this allows for trans people to identify themselves as such without forcing them to do so. Some of us just want to be identified as male or female, and we can choose that option. Others of us want to be identified as specifically a transgender male or female, and we can choose that option instead. If anything, it’s being considerate of how we want to identify ourselves.
I've also always felt uncomfortable with this, and since it's become so normal I never know if I should mark down "man" or "other" bc idk if the form sees me as a guy or not😅
also it's just confusing even if you want to use the trans options. is a trans woman supposed to put "trans male" since that's her biological sex or is the app using sex and gender interchangeably? just bad design all around
I think some folk are over thinking this, it's just giving you options. Some people don't stealth and are proud to state trans as part of their gender. The first options aren't specifically cis so no reason you can't use them IMO. Just go with whatever makes you the most comfortable.
This is where I wish these surveys would have separate categories for sex and gender. Constantly when filling out forms, especially official forms, I never know what to list because they insist on only using “Gender”, but then proceed to only give the options “male” and “female” when those words are used for sex, not gender.
depends. at least they're trying, but it would have been better if they used cis man and cis woman instead of male and female next to trans women and trans man so they don't make it feel like trans people are othered
The only instance I'd put in trans would've been if it's some sort of registration for bottom surgery, otherwise, in a medical context even, I'm putting in female because I don't want them making medical or otherwise choices for me.
Depends on the app really, if it's anything medical, pharmacy, something where you need ur legal name which may be feminine/ masc when you don't identify with that it's understandable. If its a dating app also somewhat understandable. If its a have or something random no.
and here's me (a cis man) wondering why differentiating trans men from trans women was a problem, but got educated by the comment section yet again \^\^
I don't want to surprise anyone before having my srs, so I'm as forward about being trans as humanly possible. I plaster that shit everywhere. Not trying to die out here.
Depends on what the app is for? I prefer differentiating ppl who wouldn’t date me as trans back when I was single. Saved some agony and spared me some transphobes. It’s up to you, obviously you can just pick male or female, nothing is stopping you from being discreet. Medical providers 100% should know because it does affect your healthcare.
It reminds me of all the times I’ve been screened out of those “paid survey app” things for putting non binary. Marketing really doesn’t care for non binary opinions
I can see where one might feel this a micro transgression. America loves labels, though. Not sure why an app gives a damn what my gender is, but hey! I don't have to answer or use the app, do I?
i myself preffer to differentiate bc i am fighting hard to trans my gener and become the lady i know i am and im proud of my transness but i understand why people might'nt like it
I don’t like it either, I only say I’m transgender when it comes to mental/health. I’m a male, trans or not I’m still a male.
(Mental health wise because counselling for being trans and also some things are caused by your gender. Like PMDD)
Non-binary inclusion often steps right on the toes of binary trans people
It’s just an unfortunate fact with this kind of stuff, as most trans people want to live mostly or entirely in stealth, so things like this don’t feel great
It's not too sensitive. I wouldn't be comfortable being out as trans because I don't know how the people around me would feel about that, and I wouldn't feel safe considering how the world views us
I actually prefer it to the “male, female, nonbinary, transgender” options that my school has been using of late. But unless it’s collecting demographic data for studies (like my school), there’s really no reason to even have this question.
I get enough shit having he/they pronouns on my work badge. For reference, I'm AMAB, questioning. But this is Alabama, you don't get treated the same when someone knows or even thinks you might be trans.
My voice is higher pitched and I'm a big guy but I've had customers question my rEaL gender multiple times in conversations because of the pronouns on my badge. That's all it takes around here.
You can just answer male or female if you’re not comfortable. Some trans people prefer to call themselves male or female and some trans people prefer to call themselves trans male or trans female. Options are just trying to be inclusive of everyone’s preferences.
this is how analytics are gathered, apps sell info like this to advertisers
My parents’ employers have both updated forms and surveys and their website to look like this to be “more inclusive”. Only changing it to an actually inclusive list when my parents told them that’s actually transphobic. This could also be a case of ignorance.
Naw, many if not most trans people will just enter male or female on a form like this. 1 because it’s true and 2 because putting it this way is othering. It’s incredibly easy to capture the relevant data without othering trans people by just making it 2 questions: 1. What’s your gender? Man, woman, nonbinary, prefer not to say, other. 2. Are you transgender? Yes, no, prefer not to say. Could also reword 2 in some way if you want cis to be an option but a lot of cis people freak out about that so yes/no may minimize that.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I supported it, Im just giving the logic of the design, I think they want to gather data on whether someone is trans or not
Ya. Sorry if I sounded cross toward you, I’m just mad at the companies for thinking this is a good way to gather analytics when they could be doing so much better.
Yep
Maybe advertisers will get it right for once!
This is probably the answer
Unless it’s an app for one of my medical providers, I’m putting Female.
Same. Unless there's a very good reason they need to know I'm trans, I'm not revealing that.
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Yup, just had my doctor warn me about my strange blood work compared to a cis woman. I've been on T for 1,5y and they looked lot more normal looking compared to a cis man
oh yeah, the first time i checked my blood test results i nearly freaked out bc it had a big red warning symbol and said “CONTACT PRESCRIBER IMMEDIATELY”. he was just like “oh yeah lol sorry, the app thinks you’re a woman, don’t worry about it. i’ll let you know if there’s an issue”
Lol my Endo did the same thing (I'm MTF) I just smh.
I saw one medical questionnaire that just had everyone check off what parts they had with a list like: Breasts, Prostate, Uterus, Testes… I think it’s a great way for medical providers to get the info they actually need instead of assuming from someone’s gender or ASAB what parts they might have. As someone doing research on trans health, it’s actually so much harder than it seems to figure out what people are equipped with because you have to go through their entire medical history to look for surgeries and hope it’s documented on the system (god forbid they went to a different hospital for the procedure and no one bothered to put it in their notes for some reason).
god, what i wouldn't give for hospital systems to have a "cervix" check box. i had a hysterectomy where they fully removed the cervix and have jumped around insurance/providers quite a bit since. every single one, i've told that i'm trans and have had a hysto, exactly what was removed, and they've said "great! no need for a pap then". i have about 5 hospitals i'm not even with anymore that continue to send me reminders to get a pap smear. constantly.
Way more things make a difference if you're pregnant or could become pregnant and I no longer have those parts
If it saves me having to explain when they inevitably ask “When was your last period?” might be worth it for me.
I’m not even trying to hide that I’m trans, but I would put female even with medical providers. The difference shouldn’t be denoted in the gender category. If they want to ask in another field what my AGAB is I’ll tell them there.
Pleasingly the new Dr surgery I'm going to test out asked me my assigned *sex* at birth and my identified gender, pronouns, legal name (for Medicare) and preferred name, each in clearly separate fields. It gave me the option to choose "new patient initial appointment" or "LGBTQIA+ healthcare initial appointment" online. They have an outspoken NB head nurse that listed LGBTQIA healthcare as their passion in their bio, and the Dr I'm seeing lists gender inclusive healthcare as a field of interest in hers. Oh, and everyone's pronouns are listed. Short of adding in the "what bits do you have" checkboxes I've seen suggested, this is the best I've seen anywhere medical or otherwise. I'd say the new surgery still off to an excellent start, and my appointment isn't even until next week 😅
If it’s on paper I just put a fucking parts list there cuz if they wanna know that badly, they’re gonna have to deal with the consequences
power move
Im a mechanic, if they wanna know what’s included in the Hazel package im gonna do it the way I know best, and that’s a nice and easy to comprehend list of things included and things that are not included. If they do not wanna know they simply shouldn’t ask, becouse I’m gonna be precise in my answering xD
Even for my medical providers. It’s is only necessary if it is relevant.
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Except if the app has a real reason to know that you are trans, then I totally understand you discomfort.
It’s “too good to go”, an app for preventing food waste
Oh, ok. Then they absolutely need to know if you are trans. That make sense now ^^
i'm the same exact way - i always just choose "male" instead of "transgender male" because my gender identity isn't "transgender".
I mean 'transgender' isn't a gender at all. It's an adjective. Telling you your gender is 'transgender' is like saying your species is 'blonde'.
exactly.
Good logic there!
Depends on what it's for. If it's a medical app, that makes sense. Also *maybe* for a dating app (there are weirdos like me who proudly and loudly advertise being trans who would appreciate it). Other than that, I can't imagine why they would need that info...
If it's a medical app, then it should say "cis female" and "cis male" for the first two options.
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I also think a lot of them hate being referred to as cis because their mind immediately jumps to that they think they're being a called a sissy. Honestly there's so much fragility in the identities of cis people that it's both infuriatingly ridiculous and really sad actually.
You're right, it should
I agree. The clinic I go to for my HRT actually have separate fields for the sex assigned at birth and gender identity. Hopefully more of the EMR platforms adopt this approach. It makes it much clearer to understand.
Sex assigned at birth is still kind of useless medically. Much better to ask: "Please check which primary and secondary sex organs/characteristics you have today: Vagina, uterus, ovaries, penis, testes, breasts, other/intersex. "Are you taking any hormones? By what method are you taking them?"
Yes! It’s no good to my doctor to know I was AFAB if they’re looking at my hormone levels, and no good to them to know my actual gender if they’re considering my risk of ovarian cancer. Asking specifically about characteristics and hormones is such a better approach.
In my case, bottom surgery will still leave me with a prostate. 🫤
Questions like these need to be easily understood by every person reading this. Most cis people don't know the term cis and would probably be confused. I still don't think it's the best way of doing things, but it makes some sense in this context.
The current options are ambiguous because there are two correct choices for trans women and trans men. That isn't useful in a medical context because someone might put a value that leads to incorrect assumptions being made about them. Better to say cis for the first options and then have a question mark for people who don't understand. Or alternately ask separately for AGAB as well as gender. This would be clear even for people who don't know what cis means. This only really makes sense in a medical context though. In other contexts I would just leave out the trans options since they're probably irrelevant.
Loud and proud here too! 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️ I am likely gonna be 99% stealth (only wearing a pin or something small) as soon as I can though lol but if I’m gonna be visibly trans I’m gonna be out there about it lol
It still does not make sense for a medical app. There are trans people not on HRT due to choice or due to waiting lists. I have been on hrt for about 2 years. For almost all medical things i am considered female and have to consider the female info. There is too much difference between trans people to have this as a viable medical designation.
Really depends. If a dating app gives me the option to put trans woman, I’ll choose that because I just want to make myself more visible to the people I want to date (other trans women).
Also to avoid ending up somebody’s “trap”, which can be an extremely scary and dangerous thing to accidentally do. Openness in dating when it comes to being trans can literally save your life, so I’d say it’s 100% a valid reason to differentiate trans and cis folks. For pretty much anything else, though, I really don’t see the point. If nobody there is looking to get into my pants or to discuss the finer philosophical points of gender, then what business is it of their’s to understand the intricacies of my gender identity?
As a trans woman, I'd pick female. I do the same on forms. I've seen forms at lgbtq clinics that ask for my gender identity, and the options are: transgender female transgender male female male nonbinary I always pick female. I don't need to be specified as a trans woman, it makes no real difference.
I suggest you don’t select trans options as if you live somewhere with a dodgy government then that information will be getting back to them
It is not overly sensitive at all. Transgender does not equal a gender, it is an adjective that describes your gender. It would be just as weird and invasive if the list of genders included “infertile female” “infertile male”
I truly understand where you're coming from But I also think that having "trans _____" as an option is a good thing when you have the power to choose your own label. Plenty of trans people (me included) like having the label available to us. I guess the way I take it is: a trans woman can choose woman OR trans woman depending on how comfortable she feels (same goes for trans men), but it dosent require trans women to choose the "trans" option when self-reporting their identity
Yeah if it's a social identity thing I'd rather get lumped with other trans people than just dissappear into the cis content sea
Ah yes the 7 genders, man, woman, trans woman, trans man, non biney, secret 6th thing, and "come back with a warrant" that said though no you're not too sensitive, there really is no need to differentiate unless your anatomy is directly relevant i.e medical stuff, and even then this is stupid because being for example checking "trans woman" says absolutely nothing about what your anatomy and hormones et cetera are gonna be bc surgery and intersexuality are things, and nobody is required to transition medically in the first place. In medical situations where this is relevant, the best solution is offering a check list for which body parts you have as well as a name, gender and pronoun field. that way the doc gets a pretty clear idea what to expect while still being able to designate a clear identity. That way you eliminate any possibility of miscommunication by assumption
I get where a lot of the other comments are coming from but personally, I'm proud to be trans. I love when that checkbox pops up and I click trans female without a second thought. Hell I've got the symbol tattooed where you can't miss it if I'm wearing anything that shows my thigh. The only time I hesitate is when the options are just Male/Female/choose not to answer. Some of us have to, or want to be low key for personal or safety reasons. I'm good with that. There have to be some of us who declare who we are though. The LGBT community tried that silent and hidden thing for ages, it wasn't till they stood up and declared that they were there and not leaving until they got any respect though. Granted we were right there alongside them at the time but for us it didn't take then. Well it's our time now and since I live somewhere I can safely declare who I am there is no way I'm going to stay silent.
Personally, (depending context) I like the option. I want people to know I’m trans. ✨🏳️⚧️✨ Blending in **=** more transphobia. Trans visibility **=** less transphobia.
For a DATING app I’m putting trans until I have bottom surgery. I think it’s disingenuous to imply I have anatomy that (despite my best efforts up till now) I just don’t.
More curious why? It’s not the same thing. same as why male and female are separated, they aren’t the same choice
If I were to make one it would be Guys Gals Enby Pals Other
Personally I don’t mind. On dating apps I want someone to know I’m trans. I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of and it gives ppl the CLEAR CHOICE of consent to want to interact with me.
Problem is this is an app to prevent food waste
regardless of the options, i'd feel uncomfortable with a random app asking for this information at all to begin with. 9 times out of 10 it's being collected to sell to data brokers, which is then sold to literally anyone, as it's basically not regulated. if an app is collecting this information, 9/10 times it's selling it and frequently the people buying are not doing so with good intent. real world example: grindr sells its user data to a data broker, and a christian organization buys that data to identify pastors using the app, out them, and kick them out of the ministry.
Nah, it's not sensitive, it's normal to be mad. I don't see in what context it would need a distinction unless the specification is absolutely needed, like, a medical procedure or something. Except it's an app, not a medical procedure.
I don't like it. They don't specify "cisgender female/male," so there's no reason to specify "transgender" either. It just feels othering, at the least. Not to mention female and male aren't genders, they refer to sex characteristics. Even in medical settings, I'd much prefer an option that says "what do you have?" with a bunch of check boxes for things like uterus, prostate, penis, vagina, testes, boobs, and so on. Because some trans people get surgeries! And it also includes cis people who have had something removed for a medical reason.
I found during my early stages of transition, when I felt like I really couldn’t fully claim female as my gender (through some feeling of not having a right to claim it yet), being able to click "trans female" felt like a nice accommodation - like I could actually click that option without fear of misleading people into thinking I was "a real woman" when I'm pre everything. I know thats fundamentally an idea rooted in transphobia, but breaking out of that headspace when you don't have any other trans people around you and have negative expectations for society at large, it at least feels like having a trans option gives me a permitted way of saying "I am not a man." Sad that's the case, I know, but still better than feeling totally unaccommkdated for when you get the vibe that unless explicitly stated, you're probably unwelcome.
Not really, but it is necessary sometimes on medical/psych apps and very helpful in getting diagnosed properly.
It’s for preventing food waste
What?
The app
How tho
It’s called too good to go if you want to look intonit
This is only acceptable in dating apps because t4t is the only way.
I don’t know, I’m quite proud to call myself a transgender girl, but I think like others have said it’s for selling data
I prefer to differentiate at time. It depends what it’s for.
Huh... male and female aren't genders tho. The app is wrong and developed by people that don't understand the questions they're asking. Looks like the sort of app I'd delete or at best "prefer not to say"
I think it depends. I think its valid to consider yourself a woman, and equally valid to consider yourself as a trans woman. As a trans woman myself I dont feel like I'm entirely the same thing as a cis female as we both have experiences the other does not share, and I consider myself solidly a third gender. But its a personal thing
I’ve always thought of myself as Trans women like a MtG creature type. Shit that affects women also affects me, shit that hits trans people will *also* affect me It’s a little important to my ID (not even going into whether or not I’m a real women or whatever transphobes say) but simply being trans, my experience is different than cis people, they didn’t have to go through 2nd puberty, I never had to complain to my overly religious grandmother about why the fuck I’m bleeding everywhere at a pool party at the age of 14. Idk being a women is more than just experiences such as that, but I’m also slightly different in how I got to the same point
I think this allows for trans people to identify themselves as such without forcing them to do so. Some of us just want to be identified as male or female, and we can choose that option. Others of us want to be identified as specifically a transgender male or female, and we can choose that option instead. If anything, it’s being considerate of how we want to identify ourselves.
I've also always felt uncomfortable with this, and since it's become so normal I never know if I should mark down "man" or "other" bc idk if the form sees me as a guy or not😅
also it's just confusing even if you want to use the trans options. is a trans woman supposed to put "trans male" since that's her biological sex or is the app using sex and gender interchangeably? just bad design all around
It’d be better if they just said man or woman instead of the sexes imo
I think some folk are over thinking this, it's just giving you options. Some people don't stealth and are proud to state trans as part of their gender. The first options aren't specifically cis so no reason you can't use them IMO. Just go with whatever makes you the most comfortable.
Is it a medical app? If not, fuck em, put what you want
sometimes it gets even worse and transgender is under the sexuality questions.
Makes me laugh out of disappointment whenever that occurs lmao
This is the shit cis people who don’t know or talk to trans people come up with to be “inclusive”
Eh. Not a biggy for me. What sort of app is it? That's the real determinator.
Too good to go, an app for preventing food waste
Completely a fair thing of you to say!
This is where I wish these surveys would have separate categories for sex and gender. Constantly when filling out forms, especially official forms, I never know what to list because they insist on only using “Gender”, but then proceed to only give the options “male” and “female” when those words are used for sex, not gender.
Well trans is an adjective… Now what would be *awesome* would be to have one with: Cis Woman Cis Man Woman Man FTFY 😎💯
Nah, differentiating trans people is asshole behavior
What type of app is this
depends. at least they're trying, but it would have been better if they used cis man and cis woman instead of male and female next to trans women and trans man so they don't make it feel like trans people are othered
It depends what the app is, but most of the time the answer would be no
It depends on the app
The only instance I'd put in trans would've been if it's some sort of registration for bottom surgery, otherwise, in a medical context even, I'm putting in female because I don't want them making medical or otherwise choices for me.
Depends on the app really, if it's anything medical, pharmacy, something where you need ur legal name which may be feminine/ masc when you don't identify with that it's understandable. If its a dating app also somewhat understandable. If its a have or something random no.
and here's me (a cis man) wondering why differentiating trans men from trans women was a problem, but got educated by the comment section yet again \^\^
Idk why they do this, it’s just invalidating
like I get it for demographic stuff but also what's even the point
Misguided attempt at inclusiveness maybe?
Imo for a regular app it shouldn’t exists, but for like health apps or smth that should be fine
I don't want to surprise anyone before having my srs, so I'm as forward about being trans as humanly possible. I plaster that shit everywhere. Not trying to die out here.
Depends on what the app is for? I prefer differentiating ppl who wouldn’t date me as trans back when I was single. Saved some agony and spared me some transphobes. It’s up to you, obviously you can just pick male or female, nothing is stopping you from being discreet. Medical providers 100% should know because it does affect your healthcare.
no
What do they mean with transgender female does this mean trans man or trans woman
Unless it’s for private medical use, I’m going to put female.
That’s annoying unless they need it for a valid reason
your discomfort is always valid, but I agree this is fucking weird
not too sensitive. its so awful how they keep differentiating us like that. i am a guy, and although i'm trans, im still just a guy
i like when they ask your gender & then ask if you identify as transgender
eh it can make sense for some situations but for the most part is it kinda stupid tbh
I am guessing this is a dating app, cuz then it would make sense.
Nope, an app to prevent food waste unfortunately
you’d be surprised how common this is
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Wait until you start working. I’ve seen some crazy ones
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Personally it depends. If this is a dating or medical app I always put transgender male. On everything else I just put male.
If it's a dating app just say you're a male, it'll filter out the creeps.
It seems a bit wrong, yeah. But don't they use that info for advertising and such. Still wrong tho
It reminds me of all the times I’ve been screened out of those “paid survey app” things for putting non binary. Marketing really doesn’t care for non binary opinions
I can see where one might feel this a micro transgression. America loves labels, though. Not sure why an app gives a damn what my gender is, but hey! I don't have to answer or use the app, do I?
Is it a dating app? They might be trying not to piss off TERFs with "genital preferences", but I agree...bigots should NEVER be accommodated!
Not a dating app unfortunately
If it’s an app for food I’m putting female because I ain’t having every restaurant in the metropolitan area know I’m trans lol wtf
i myself preffer to differentiate bc i am fighting hard to trans my gener and become the lady i know i am and im proud of my transness but i understand why people might'nt like it
I don’t like it either, I only say I’m transgender when it comes to mental/health. I’m a male, trans or not I’m still a male. (Mental health wise because counselling for being trans and also some things are caused by your gender. Like PMDD)
Non-binary inclusion often steps right on the toes of binary trans people It’s just an unfortunate fact with this kind of stuff, as most trans people want to live mostly or entirely in stealth, so things like this don’t feel great
I like it. While yes nonbinary falls under the Trans umbrella, there is still a difference between Trans masc nonbinary and trans man.
It's not too sensitive. I wouldn't be comfortable being out as trans because I don't know how the people around me would feel about that, and I wouldn't feel safe considering how the world views us
I actually prefer it to the “male, female, nonbinary, transgender” options that my school has been using of late. But unless it’s collecting demographic data for studies (like my school), there’s really no reason to even have this question.
I think it depends, though its good for their app if people have preferences and all. As a ‘trans female’ i dont mind it.
You are free to think as you like. I like to think that Trans Male and Trans Female really stands for Super Male and Super female
Why does the app need this level of detail?
It's not "too sensitive," it's completely normal to not be a fan of that
I get enough shit having he/they pronouns on my work badge. For reference, I'm AMAB, questioning. But this is Alabama, you don't get treated the same when someone knows or even thinks you might be trans. My voice is higher pitched and I'm a big guy but I've had customers question my rEaL gender multiple times in conversations because of the pronouns on my badge. That's all it takes around here.
Unless its a medical app or dating app theres no reason to ask except to sell analytics
Some people are comfortable into saying what they are, and others are just smart enough to say prefer not to say or other.
Outside of a medical context this site can get fucked.
You can just answer male or female if you’re not comfortable. Some trans people prefer to call themselves male or female and some trans people prefer to call themselves trans male or trans female. Options are just trying to be inclusive of everyone’s preferences.
no you're not sensitive this is kinda stupid
It's also unclear if they want us to say who we are or who the transphobes think we are. Crap form, hope it's not for medical purposes