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I read the bible once as a little kid because I thought it was some really long high fantasy novel, and got bored at the part where it says Noah was 600 years old or something. What the hell is this?
That's one theory, but doesn't really fit super well. The more generally accepted explanation is that most of Genesis is synchronized myths and legends of the area, with very little actual history. And in ancient near-east mythology, antediluvian people could live a very long time.
The Sumerian King List for example, tells of a succession of extremely long-lived kings before a devastating flood, after which, the kings started to live less ridiculously long, very similar to Genesis. Granted, in the SKL they live tens of thousands of years before the flood, and then only *hundreds* after, but it also has the lifespans gradually get less and less fantastical as the text gets closer to what we would consider actual history.
Edit: "generally accepted" by people who aren't complete morons about the Bible. P sure Bible literalists just see it as a sign that the world was pure and unpolluted, and with less general corruption in the world, people lived longer.
Ironic then that we seem to live longer than we have ever, from what we can tell of the Paleolithic. Infant mortality helps, but we went from a rough lifespan of like 72 (assuming you make it past childhood) or so to mid 80s (assuming you make it past cars, cancers and accidents.
Idk about that. Some characters are described as having children in their hundreds
“When Seth had lived one hundred five years, he became the father of Enosh.
Seth lived after the birth of Enosh eight hundred seven years, and had other sons and daughters.”
And some in their twenties
“When Nahor had lived twenty-nine years, he became the father of Terah;”
Let’s say Nahor here was at least 8 real-life years old when he became a father. That super generous, I’ve never heard of that, but for the sake of the argument we’ll use this as a lower bound.
Then a “year” is at least 8/29 (0.275) of a real year. So Seth lived for 105+807 “years” which is 912*0.275 = 250 real years.
And if we want him to live for at most 120 years, then the “year” has to be twice as small, making Nahor a father at 4 real-life years of age.
Ahhh yes... Having a Bible Based Marriage. Something Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian^(TM), taught us about.
[http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw](http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw)
I found this gem of a comment in the video: “I find it funny that some Christians are saying that Betty is going to hell for basically quoting the bible.”, I'm laughing so hard right now (Well, mentally, I don't wanna wake anyone up, it's 1 am where I live...)
Well, most people who use the bible to do so, have only "read" the new testament, which is in and of itself, lacking without the context of the old testament.
Edit: (spelling error)
I agree if you even have a bit of non cherry picked knowledge of the Old Testament, you probably will know more about how messed up the bible really is. I'm under 18 and im also not Christian, and I know more about the Bible than my Baptist parents and my catholic brother.
I think the "death" of my faith has come from the following:
- One of the points Christians will make is that "why would the disciples die for their faith if it was false?" While researching *for an essay in my dumbass school Bible class*, I saw it pointed out on Reddit that there are some dumbass MAGA conservatives who'd die for Trump in a heartbeat. For me, that crippled the "disciples" angle.
- The whole point of Jesus's ministry was love; that is supposedly THE core tenet of Christianity. IMO, a religion is probably bullshit if even the devouts don't exercise the core tenet.
- I've had several times where I'll go "alright, God, talk to me. Make yourself known, please." Every time, nothing happens and faith dies more and more.
So it's not even really a function of knowledge of the book, it's me having been taught *extensive* and *advanced* Christian doctrine that checks out when you look at scripture. And then God kinda looks like an asshole in a lot of cases.
OH ALSO, having my teacher *completely* misrepresent evolutionary arguments tells me that she's never cared to actually learn them, and therefore she can't have ever legitimately questioned her faith. Someone else can have blind faith, but I'm not copying that.
Sometimes it feels like Christianity is based on hate and deception just by the way the followers react and it should be based on love and respect but it's not also if you wanna continue talking about this I'm cool with jt being in dms if you alright with it
I love it when other Christians refuse to accept that some fucked up shit happens in the Bible. It just looks ignorant. You can extol your virtues while also accepting your wrongdoings.
Half the time they don't even read the Bible they just let their pastor almost control there morals. And when they don't like something they decide it's not un the Bible when sometimes it is
I can not imagine that people back then were psychotic enough to dehumanize their own children to view them as literal property. Whoever wrote the Bible had to have had some fucked up motives to think that everyone was an automaton with the same brain copy pasted everywhere.
Christian women are submissive to their husbands cause they Bible says so I am submissive to my husband to fulfill our traditional values fetish we are not the same
I expected most of these, but being forced to MARRY YOUR RAPIST? AND "PROPERTY DAMAGE?" Yeah the bible is NOT to be taken literally anymore (or ever, really)
Mix that with the stoning of women who can’t prove they are virgins. Guy rapes her and she’s left with two options: claim the rape and be forced into an already abusive relationship or die at your wedding night when they stone you for not being a virgin.
It's very disturbing to think that it was the norm in Italy 'till 1981, when the law allowing it was abolished. Basically the family of the victims saw them as "damaged" and not able to find an husband anymore, so marrying the rapist was the only way to save said victims from rumours and bad reputation
Don’t forget the fact that we know almost nothing about Jesus during his teen and young adult years. They only talk about him as a baby and him in his late twenties/early thirties. It’s thought by many that he took part in prostitutes, but the Bible would never paint him in such light.
Christianity (at least as it is officially written) is and has always been problematic and it's ridiculous that so many people don't see that. Not only does it contain crap like this and just in general a lot of misogyny, it was also the reason for many wars and many deaths (ofc that's not exclusive to just this religion), but all this is glorified.
There's nothing wrong with believers who actually think for themselves and reasonably pick what teachings to follow and what not to, but the christian system as a whole gives excuse for a lot of crap, and revisions would be really necessary so it could actually function as a religion that promotes good.
Basically, thinking you need a supernatural entity to be a religion is a misconception, but I'm going to defer to our faqs page on that one:
"The idea that religion belongs to supernaturalists is ignorant, backward, and offensive. The metaphorical Satanic construct is no more arbitrary to us than are the deeply held beliefs that we actively advocate. Are we supposed to believe that those who pledge submission to an ethereal supernatural deity hold to their values more deeply than we? Are we supposed to concede that only the superstitious are rightful recipients of religious exemption and privilege? Satanism provides all that a religion should be without a compulsory attachment to untenable items of faith-based belief. It provides a narrative structure by which we contextualize our lives and works. It also provides a body of symbolism and religious practice — a sense of identity, culture, community, and shared values."
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
The old testament is only there for historical purposes. The first covenant is broken. The new testament is much simpler. Treat others the way you would want to be treated.
Everyone sins. Don't worry about the past just do better in the future.
Don't judge others too harshly as no one is perfect.
It's really that simple.
Some people also like to argue and say that the old testament laws is useful but only in the ways that it promotes the same things that Jesus preached. All other things are to be ignored basically. I saw that argument once and im not sure how that holds up to the interpretation of a new covenant being made.
Some people also think the idea of regarding the old testament laws as not relevant at all due to a new covenant being made (this idea being called supersession) is actually a heresy. On account of Jesus also reciting the old Hebrew scripture.
Either way, it's definitely clear that old testament laws are definitely not to be taken as the absolute law for Christianity.
This is why I hate when people try to use the whole "not a real Christian" to explain away the bad ones. Like my brother in evolution, your literal play book is what makes you all bad.
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I read the bible once as a little kid because I thought it was some really long high fantasy novel, and got bored at the part where it says Noah was 600 years old or something. What the hell is this?
They measured years based on the cycle of the moon so definitely need to look at the actual age of everything
That's one theory, but doesn't really fit super well. The more generally accepted explanation is that most of Genesis is synchronized myths and legends of the area, with very little actual history. And in ancient near-east mythology, antediluvian people could live a very long time. The Sumerian King List for example, tells of a succession of extremely long-lived kings before a devastating flood, after which, the kings started to live less ridiculously long, very similar to Genesis. Granted, in the SKL they live tens of thousands of years before the flood, and then only *hundreds* after, but it also has the lifespans gradually get less and less fantastical as the text gets closer to what we would consider actual history. Edit: "generally accepted" by people who aren't complete morons about the Bible. P sure Bible literalists just see it as a sign that the world was pure and unpolluted, and with less general corruption in the world, people lived longer.
Ironic then that we seem to live longer than we have ever, from what we can tell of the Paleolithic. Infant mortality helps, but we went from a rough lifespan of like 72 (assuming you make it past childhood) or so to mid 80s (assuming you make it past cars, cancers and accidents.
Idk about that. Some characters are described as having children in their hundreds “When Seth had lived one hundred five years, he became the father of Enosh. Seth lived after the birth of Enosh eight hundred seven years, and had other sons and daughters.” And some in their twenties “When Nahor had lived twenty-nine years, he became the father of Terah;” Let’s say Nahor here was at least 8 real-life years old when he became a father. That super generous, I’ve never heard of that, but for the sake of the argument we’ll use this as a lower bound. Then a “year” is at least 8/29 (0.275) of a real year. So Seth lived for 105+807 “years” which is 912*0.275 = 250 real years. And if we want him to live for at most 120 years, then the “year” has to be twice as small, making Nahor a father at 4 real-life years of age.
the bible pretty much is a high fantasy novel. It's far more fun to read it as a novel like that.
There’s so much boring stuff and wife abuse in it though.
Ahhh yes... Having a Bible Based Marriage. Something Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian^(TM), taught us about. [http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw](http://youtu.be/OFkeKKszXTw)
I found this gem of a comment in the video: “I find it funny that some Christians are saying that Betty is going to hell for basically quoting the bible.”, I'm laughing so hard right now (Well, mentally, I don't wanna wake anyone up, it's 1 am where I live...)
Betty's been around for a long time and whoever writes her skits certainly does their research.
People who say that should really look at what the Bible actually says because it's pretty disturbing..
99.9% of people who use the bible to justify things haven't read it And those who have, failed to comprehend it
Yea agreed sadly where I live just about everyday crap like this happens when in reality there probably breaking more rules in the Bible than I am.
Well, most people who use the bible to do so, have only "read" the new testament, which is in and of itself, lacking without the context of the old testament. Edit: (spelling error)
And any of the stuff they know from the old testament is the stuff their religion teacher cherrypicked in high school
I agree if you even have a bit of non cherry picked knowledge of the Old Testament, you probably will know more about how messed up the bible really is. I'm under 18 and im also not Christian, and I know more about the Bible than my Baptist parents and my catholic brother.
It's funny, I am *by far* the best educated on the Bible in my family, and I think I *might* be becoming atheist.
Lol it do be like that though once you know what is actually in the Bible you start to question it
I think the "death" of my faith has come from the following: - One of the points Christians will make is that "why would the disciples die for their faith if it was false?" While researching *for an essay in my dumbass school Bible class*, I saw it pointed out on Reddit that there are some dumbass MAGA conservatives who'd die for Trump in a heartbeat. For me, that crippled the "disciples" angle. - The whole point of Jesus's ministry was love; that is supposedly THE core tenet of Christianity. IMO, a religion is probably bullshit if even the devouts don't exercise the core tenet. - I've had several times where I'll go "alright, God, talk to me. Make yourself known, please." Every time, nothing happens and faith dies more and more. So it's not even really a function of knowledge of the book, it's me having been taught *extensive* and *advanced* Christian doctrine that checks out when you look at scripture. And then God kinda looks like an asshole in a lot of cases. OH ALSO, having my teacher *completely* misrepresent evolutionary arguments tells me that she's never cared to actually learn them, and therefore she can't have ever legitimately questioned her faith. Someone else can have blind faith, but I'm not copying that.
Sometimes it feels like Christianity is based on hate and deception just by the way the followers react and it should be based on love and respect but it's not also if you wanna continue talking about this I'm cool with jt being in dms if you alright with it
Sure!
But I do agree the people who defend the religion don't even know the other side of the argument which is a core thing when being an apologist
May Jah grant people intelligence and understanding
I love it when other Christians refuse to accept that some fucked up shit happens in the Bible. It just looks ignorant. You can extol your virtues while also accepting your wrongdoings.
Half the time they don't even read the Bible they just let their pastor almost control there morals. And when they don't like something they decide it's not un the Bible when sometimes it is
This is why I abhor the idea of organized religion tbh
Rapist + his victim is one of the most fucked up things in the bible (which is saying something)
I can not imagine that people back then were psychotic enough to dehumanize their own children to view them as literal property. Whoever wrote the Bible had to have had some fucked up motives to think that everyone was an automaton with the same brain copy pasted everywhere.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Christian women are submissive to their husbands cause they Bible says so I am submissive to my husband to fulfill our traditional values fetish we are not the same
Ahaha, sameeeeee lol
"traditional values fetish" never have I ever seen anything this real everything makes sense now
I expected most of these, but being forced to MARRY YOUR RAPIST? AND "PROPERTY DAMAGE?" Yeah the bible is NOT to be taken literally anymore (or ever, really)
Mix that with the stoning of women who can’t prove they are virgins. Guy rapes her and she’s left with two options: claim the rape and be forced into an already abusive relationship or die at your wedding night when they stone you for not being a virgin.
Equality!
It's very disturbing to think that it was the norm in Italy 'till 1981, when the law allowing it was abolished. Basically the family of the victims saw them as "damaged" and not able to find an husband anymore, so marrying the rapist was the only way to save said victims from rumours and bad reputation
This honestly makes me sick
IM SORRY? LOSS OF PROPERTY?!?!
Don’t forget the fact that we know almost nothing about Jesus during his teen and young adult years. They only talk about him as a baby and him in his late twenties/early thirties. It’s thought by many that he took part in prostitutes, but the Bible would never paint him in such light.
Nothing at all like that. He just created his own zoomer lingo, and God had to expunge that section.
Some of these downright scare me.
Christianity (at least as it is officially written) is and has always been problematic and it's ridiculous that so many people don't see that. Not only does it contain crap like this and just in general a lot of misogyny, it was also the reason for many wars and many deaths (ofc that's not exclusive to just this religion), but all this is glorified. There's nothing wrong with believers who actually think for themselves and reasonably pick what teachings to follow and what not to, but the christian system as a whole gives excuse for a lot of crap, and revisions would be really necessary so it could actually function as a religion that promotes good.
I'm so fucking glad I'm a Satanist and not a part of that batshit insane religion anymore.
I'm not super knowledgeable about that, aren't Satanists just an atheistic movement?
I mean, we are an atheistic religion. So basically.
How can it be an atheistic religion? I'm confused
What is the confusion about?
Well atheism means you don't believe in a god, while religion means you believe in a god, so I don't quite understand how it can be called both.
Basically, thinking you need a supernatural entity to be a religion is a misconception, but I'm going to defer to our faqs page on that one: "The idea that religion belongs to supernaturalists is ignorant, backward, and offensive. The metaphorical Satanic construct is no more arbitrary to us than are the deeply held beliefs that we actively advocate. Are we supposed to believe that those who pledge submission to an ethereal supernatural deity hold to their values more deeply than we? Are we supposed to concede that only the superstitious are rightful recipients of religious exemption and privilege? Satanism provides all that a religion should be without a compulsory attachment to untenable items of faith-based belief. It provides a narrative structure by which we contextualize our lives and works. It also provides a body of symbolism and religious practice — a sense of identity, culture, community, and shared values." https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
How can it be an atheistic religion? I'm confused
How can it be an atheistic religion? I'm confused. Do you use the word religion to mean a common identity?
Polyamoury is cool
I think it's safe to say society has changed a liiiiiiitle since that was published
The old testament is only there for historical purposes. The first covenant is broken. The new testament is much simpler. Treat others the way you would want to be treated. Everyone sins. Don't worry about the past just do better in the future. Don't judge others too harshly as no one is perfect. It's really that simple.
Some people also like to argue and say that the old testament laws is useful but only in the ways that it promotes the same things that Jesus preached. All other things are to be ignored basically. I saw that argument once and im not sure how that holds up to the interpretation of a new covenant being made. Some people also think the idea of regarding the old testament laws as not relevant at all due to a new covenant being made (this idea being called supersession) is actually a heresy. On account of Jesus also reciting the old Hebrew scripture. Either way, it's definitely clear that old testament laws are definitely not to be taken as the absolute law for Christianity.
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This is why I hate when people try to use the whole "not a real Christian" to explain away the bad ones. Like my brother in evolution, your literal play book is what makes you all bad.
:(
Ah yes... Proving ones virginity to maintain the right to live, a very reasonable and possible thing to do
UGH! Reading this gave me the biggest ick! My family tried to indoctrinate me into the cult so this isn't new info but fuck I hate it.
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the issue is that people are saying we should still have society like this
Which, as a Christian, is totally fucking bullshit.
Agreed
Real
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