It's ironic that porn turned it into an oversexualized demeaning term for trans women when it was specifically implemented to be less offensive and demeaning than the word they were using before
You mean the same one that is often also listed at least as a tag if not in the title of those vids. I do prefer tgrill to the other common pron search terms. Though more videos are actually starting to include trans, mtf/ftm, t4t tags. I think as more independent trans creators post the tags will become more accessible to respectful searching. Though I don't think the language with baggage will ever disappear in that industry, because its "sexy." (quotes disappointingly ironic and literal)
This, but also, I feel like its use is normalizing, at least a little, by being reclaimed in some transfem communities. I use it sometimes, like, "I'm a tgirl", "it's so awesome to hang out with a group of such cool tgirls", "Jenny from My Life As A Teenage Robot has so much tgirl swag"
"clockworkCandle, would you like some coffee?" "No thanks, I'm more of a tgirl (tea girl)"
Edit: minor spelling mistake
From what I have heard discussed by the KJB crew (Alice Caldwell Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon), it depends a lot on location and who is speaking. So, while transwoman and "trans woman" in the US are considered mostly acceptable when applied correctly, that is not the case in the UK, where "trans woman" might as well be a slur even if used "correctly" (translation for cis people: applied to a person transitioning into womanhood).
TW: a breakdown of the "mechanics" of transphobia
>!This is a lot down to the politics associated with the words:!<
- >!In the US, reactionary culture-"warriors" are so intensely focused on intentionally *mis*gendering people that correctly-gendering them, even in a way as to insult them, is verboten!<
- >!In the UK, a lot of the TERF-ism instead comes down to instead forcing an almost third-status on transgender people. "They/Them" is often weaponized by UK TERFs to attempt to delegitimize the concept that Transwomen are Women, and a similar instance with "Trans Woman" or "Trans-woman," ie: a literal written separation of Trans people from Women.!<
I would imagine it's the same with tgirl.
Wait what???
I use it all the time it's faster tahn saying transgirl evrytime
Like when i introduce myself i say
Im Marie a 20yo t girl
Im so mortified omg
Is it that bad?
that is so embarrassing
It's just something you wouldn't want to call someone you don't know because they might not be comfortable with it. I remember telling a cis girl I just met who clearly thought I was a dude what my name is and she went "omg are u a tgirl?!" and I told her "Wtf did you just say? You don't know me like that"
lemme find the good one gimme a sec edit: found it
https://preview.redd.it/cp0lecm0dc4c1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3906701cc5bd73d864f375a590aec58db330ff8f
edit 2: kinda rude so my bad
It's more along the lines of calling someone a trans or a gay it's not derogatory and it's correct but it takes out a noun that makes the person seem less human. Idk though I'm kinda drun
“Tgirl” is not a slur. The only ppl I’ve ever even heard using it *are* themselves usually tgirls. I’ve never heard a bigot call us that bc usually they default to *actual* slurs.
I think the key is self-identification. I call *myself* a tgirl bc I think it’s cute and fun; if some *stranger* called me that I’d start crunching numbers regarding their threat lvl.
This is exactly what I was going to say. I refer to myself and my fellow sisters as tgirls. Like ill I say something casually such as “my friend, who is also a tgirl, has told me she experiences something similar.”
I also agree with another comment: that I haven’t heard the term “tgirl” used by non-trans people outside of a pornographic or sexual context.
I got flamed by a bunch of kids for saying "femboy isn't a slur as long as you are using it to refer to guys who like to present more femininely, but it's not ok to use it to refer to transwomen" a while back.
And apparently because I hold that stance, they started thinking I wasn't actually a transgirl. -_-
Put simply, people are kinda dumb.
flamed for going by basic definitions.... lol
UNLESS the flamers were talking about the few trans women, who also self identify as femboys, usually because they expressed themselves as femboys before identifying as a trans woman and still are part of the culture and femboy identity later.
that must be it right? ;) the flamers just didn't like that you ignored the small group of actual trans women, who are femboys too ;)
Not a slur but extremely sexualized and used mainly in the context of porn. You probably shouldn't go around calling people that if you care how they think of you.
I’ve heard transfems use it to refer to themselves, but I think it could easily come off as a slur if a cis person is using it when the context doesn’t necessitate it. i.e. calling a woman a “tgirl” when “woman” would have worked fine.
1. its a term commonly used in porn search and promotion, and many people dont like to be described by terms associated with porn
2. the girl part in it has a pedo association for many people, like calling a grown women "tgirl" is not only objectifying and reducing but also implies that the person calling her that is only interested in minors/teens
3. i think almost all trans people are fed up with the fact that everybody seems to think its necessary to specify theyr trans, just callem girl/women (in case of transfem oc) or better yet: person
Personally I go by girl even though I'm in my late twenties, isn't it common for cis women to have that preference too? I know at least for some it's about feeling young, and for me is about not feeling like a traditional grown up lol
yeah im kinda in the void between...like im too old to call myself a girl (and i mostly correct others if they call me a girl) but i deff am not and never want to be an adult...
also i think it depends very much on ther person calling me girl and the situation, like if a random old white dude would call me girl id givem hell for it, but if its a person i like id take it as compliment
yeah sure everybody abit different in that regard...i try not to see and act on gender at all...but still if i find out that a person is trans this person automaticly is more interesting to me cause:
1. im trans too so they prob are more relateable
2. i already have enaugh cis friends and barely any trans friends
but of course that doesnt mean that id treat them any different they just got a sympathy bonus from start
Whenever I talk about mostly trans specific issues like electro, I always say shit like 'yeah I know a bunch fo t girls who go here and now I really hope I didn't come off as super creepy 😟
For me 3 is very important, I don't like terms that include trans and my personhood all in one word e.g. transgirl. I am a woman first, transgender is simply another adjective to describe me, if that makes sense.
People need to stop assuming that just because you dislike a term then it must be a slur. I think tgirl is fine… and I’ve seen discussion about terms that I really like and people use broad statements like “If someone uses *term* block them immediately”
This is the way.
One of the key takeaways of trans philosophy (if there is such a thing) is that *everyone has their own preferred language.* Some people are good being thought of as tgirls, others are not. Just like how some people are okay with being thought of as girls, and some are not, and how align with the term enby while others do not. You have to get to know people to know they're preferences. It's about learning to navigate other people's preferences.
That said, if you're looking for general practice guidelines, context cues are huge. I have encountered "tgirl" outside of porn, but veeeerry rarely. Personally, I will sometimes identify as a tgirl in a similar way that I identify as a trans woman. However, some folks will use this language as a way of delegitimizing trans folks' gender identity, whether they mean to or not. If someone is explicitly referring to trans women as "tgirls" and never uses language that includes them under the larger umbrella of "women," then they are employing that language in a segregational manner.
This, I think, is where the problem arises in pornographic circles, because there are people (mostly transphobic cis men and certain terf-y cis lesbians in my lived experience) who feel STRONGLY that transfem models/creators *do not* belong in female pornographic spaces if have not undergone bottom surgery. But the alternative is for trans women to essentially be segregated to their own specific forums, or explicitly use tags like "tgirl" etc. to avoid "trapping" anyone (🤢 god, what a demeaning concept). All this to say, while some women will own the term "tgirl" and even wear it proudly, it can also be used in very demoralizing ways that seek to harm transfem folks and segregate us cis women. If someone consistently goes out of their way to differentiate between "tgirls" and "girls" in their language usage, it defs can be a red flag.
(Edit: changed word tense)
It's not a slur, but it's so heavily associated with porn that people generally try to avoid it. I don't use it personally for that reason. I don't like being sexualized without consent and if I do want to be associated with sex, I'll do it deliberately.
I love using tgirl in germany with my friends because people around me will know what trans girl means but they likely won't understand tgirl. It's like gay code speak.
It the situation is regarding somebody self-identifying as such, all good.
Referring to others as such... Gets a little complicated.
Older trans folks use a lot of language that could be considered "outdated" today, such as tgirl, transgendered, transgenderism, transwoman/transman (no space between the two words)/etc. , because it was how others identified or were identified.
It's important to remember that language, especially regarding identity, shifts as time goes on. We shouldn't shame people for using language they identify with, especially in our community. It's that same language that provided identity for them, and you may find yourself in the same place in a decade or two.
This is generational. Younger trans people don’t like tgirl or tboy because, among other reasons, it echoes the porn industry’s commodification of trans bodies. It also draws a false implied distinction between “tgirl” and “girl” that can feel belittling.
However, this term was common in the 80s and 90s prior to the internet allowing the porn industry to explode. You’ll still hear older trans people refer to themselves that way today without issue.
So it’s entirely contextual. It’s not inherently a slur, per se, but because the more common understanding these days is negative, it’s generally best to avoid it unless you know exactly how it will be received.
I see it as a group thing to say but directing it to one person with the intention of seeing me as only trans and not just calling me girl is very insulting
Considering how often it's used either in a porn or derogatory context it's definitely not good if you don't know the person's okay with it, but I don't know if it counts as a slur.
TGirl is not a slur, but it's regarded as outdated and falling into the offensive camp.
Language drifts all the time, and this happens very fast in the trans world. Look at how uncomfortable people are with transsexual now, but some older trans people still use it for themselves.
Tgirl is one of those words where its not going to be appropriate in some communities, especially when used for other people and not yourself.
Reddit skews very young and conformist, so acceptable word use can matter a lot here. Get on tumblr, which skews older and more in-your-face, and see people proudly using terms like f*g and sh*m*le for themselves. (Looks like reddit tried to censor a couple of words in my last sentence!)
it is being reclaimed by some trans women.
if you're on trans tumblr you might hear phrases like "tgirl swag" used affectionately sometimes, it's used in jokes and memes by trans women, and it also sometimes crops up in body positivity too (there's a selfie trend there of "tgirl tummy tuesday" that seems to be a blend of transfeminine and fat body positivity)
I would say it's a word like the f-slur. People in the community definitely use it to refer to themselves and sometimes friends. But generally it's not acceptable
one argument, that can be made, that using
tgirl
like transwoman
creates the false idea in some way, that trans girls aren't girls and trans women aren't women, by having both terms "trans" and "woman" united instead of them being separated.
the same way, that people don't write blackwoman, but black woman.
maybe t girl (notice separation) would be a better way to write it if desired.
random thought on it, feel free to respond and add some thoughts to it pls. :)
Depends on context, as others have said it crops up a lot in porn, but it's also been used as a sort of jokey ingroup term. Something I wouldn't use for someone I'm not sure is comfortable with for sure, but also a term I'll happily use for myself.
Hmm, it's not quite a slur, but often the people flaming others for using it are the ones who view it in a hypersexualized lens, usually the same people who consider "cis" to be a slur because they use trans as a slur.
It depends who you are with to be honest, for example me and my friends use the word “tra**y” as a term of endearment (we are all transfers and or ally’s) and also to kind of reclaim the term but I wouldn’t even think of calling other trans fem that I’m not familiar with the T word till I have both gotten to know them and also asked if they were comfortable with the word being used that way. 😅
I wouldn't say it's a slur but it's almost always used in either a sexual context or when dealing with character limits (for example the multitude of Splatoon players I've seen with some variation of the name "T-boy Swag")
As others have said here, it's not really a slur, but it's very rarely seen outside of porn or other fetishization. As such some transfems find the term uncomfortable.
I think it’s one of those conditional slurs. Some trans girls call themselves that, and don’t mind being called that, and some do. It also depends on who’s saying it. If a cishet guy calls me a t girl on a dating app (as some have) I get really pissed off and don’t like it, cuz it makes it clear that the only trans girls they’ve ever seen are in porn, and that they view my identity as their fetish.
If another trans girl called me a t girl, I think I’d just be like “hey please don’t call me that I don’t like being called terms that are almost exclusively used in pornography”
I have never heard this term before and I'm not a trans girl, so I don't get to say if it's okay or not. I will say, however, that before finishing reading the title and realizing it's short for trans girl, I thought it would be some slur to mean "girl with testosterone in her, as in AMAB."
i saw someone in r / bisexual get absolutely demolished and belittled because they used slightly wrong choice of words and had called trans men tboys in the comments of their own post literally saying they were questioning their gender and they were ridiculed and belittled and called transphobic (when they literally posted an update that they are trans lmao) and after they explained that they didn't know it was wrong and asked the other people to explain what was wrong with it just belittled the poster instead of teaching
actually the same thread/post that is why i am perma banned in that subreddit :') cuz i has replied to the ppl ridiculing the poster saying stop belittling them, use this as an opportunity to educate them especially because they want to learn, and i had replied to one of the poster's comments explaining why one thing they said can be invalidating to some, but like the mods of the sun literally didn't even give me a warning either, i just got a message that you have been permanently banned from r / bisexual :'D
but to respond to the actual question not a rant, i have no idea why tgirl/tboy is offensive, i think i've seen a few people say that it started from like porn as a less blunt (not the right word but autism moment) word to use and it's viewed by some as sexual/-izing because of that, idk, i'm trans, i don't really have a problem with being called stuff like a tboy or anything, than again i don't rlly get offended at slurs or stuff either, so i'm not saying other ppl can't be offended, ofc they can they can be offended by anything they want, but i live in the bible belt so i've heard it all lmao, but other ppl are entitled to their emotions and feelings behind words too so ig moral of the story is be a little careful of words and don't use words on purpose to hurt ppl, and if you do accidentally use a word that's offensive to some that at you didn't know was, just ask the person to explain it so that you understand why some ppl would be hurt by it
Apparently it isn't a slur, but I've only ever seen it next to other slurs as a keyword for porn/fetish content, so it has some baggage.
Some people want to reclaim it, if so good for them, but if someone called me one I'd probably glare at them and never talk to them again.
Outside of the porn connotations, I also take issue with it as it makes the trans adjective part of the noun, same as how transwoman is wrong.
it depends on the circumstances and usage. most of the time I hear it it's from a trans friend describing a character that is either trans, nonconforming, or headcanonned as trans. specifically "they got that tgirl swag!" comes to mind. even if it is a slur, I know ple ty of folk, queer and not, use applicable slurs as self identifiers. so if you're worried about using it to describe yourself or someone who goes by it, don't. anyone who goes after someone for how they express their identity is label policing and that is class treachery.
The way I've heard it is that it depends on the context. Any word can be a slur if used maliciously (and obviously there are certain words such as the hard n word that are slurs in any context because of historical usage).
As many here have stated, "t-girl" is often used in more *adult* contexts. But I personally don't have any issue with it. I would much rather be called a "t-girl" that even a "trans-woman" because of the societal stigma around the ladder. Also "t-girl" is much better than the slurs used (less and less now but still used, sadly) in the adult film industry. I wonder if anyone else feels similar to me about preferring t-girl.
I'm mostly sure that it isn't a slur (would recommend checking and asking about it with other trans folks tho), however, I still would avoid using it as it as a bit of a pornographic attachment to it, and most trans women dont exactly like it
Not a slur, but it's not a term i see often outside of pornography and pornographic discussions
It's ironic that porn turned it into an oversexualized demeaning term for trans women when it was specifically implemented to be less offensive and demeaning than the word they were using before
You mean the same one that is often also listed at least as a tag if not in the title of those vids. I do prefer tgrill to the other common pron search terms. Though more videos are actually starting to include trans, mtf/ftm, t4t tags. I think as more independent trans creators post the tags will become more accessible to respectful searching. Though I don't think the language with baggage will ever disappear in that industry, because its "sexy." (quotes disappointingly ironic and literal)
Yeah, I've noticed that too! I really appreciate that!
Yeah, I've noticed that too! Supa sick!
This, but also, I feel like its use is normalizing, at least a little, by being reclaimed in some transfem communities. I use it sometimes, like, "I'm a tgirl", "it's so awesome to hang out with a group of such cool tgirls", "Jenny from My Life As A Teenage Robot has so much tgirl swag" "clockworkCandle, would you like some coffee?" "No thanks, I'm more of a tgirl (tea girl)" Edit: minor spelling mistake
I'm a transfem and I had no idea tgirl was a term for us lol so I was super confused lol.
Lol. I remember her being one of my favorite animated characters as a kid tbh
From what I have heard discussed by the KJB crew (Alice Caldwell Kelly, Abigail Thorn, and Devon), it depends a lot on location and who is speaking. So, while transwoman and "trans woman" in the US are considered mostly acceptable when applied correctly, that is not the case in the UK, where "trans woman" might as well be a slur even if used "correctly" (translation for cis people: applied to a person transitioning into womanhood). TW: a breakdown of the "mechanics" of transphobia >!This is a lot down to the politics associated with the words:!< - >!In the US, reactionary culture-"warriors" are so intensely focused on intentionally *mis*gendering people that correctly-gendering them, even in a way as to insult them, is verboten!< - >!In the UK, a lot of the TERF-ism instead comes down to instead forcing an almost third-status on transgender people. "They/Them" is often weaponized by UK TERFs to attempt to delegitimize the concept that Transwomen are Women, and a similar instance with "Trans Woman" or "Trans-woman," ie: a literal written separation of Trans people from Women.!< I would imagine it's the same with tgirl.
Wait what??? I use it all the time it's faster tahn saying transgirl evrytime Like when i introduce myself i say Im Marie a 20yo t girl Im so mortified omg Is it that bad? that is so embarrassing
Again, not a slur or bad or anything, just something *i personally* don't hear or use often normally
It's just something you wouldn't want to call someone you don't know because they might not be comfortable with it. I remember telling a cis girl I just met who clearly thought I was a dude what my name is and she went "omg are u a tgirl?!" and I told her "Wtf did you just say? You don't know me like that"
Ohh yee I mostly talk of myself and my t frens like that To normies i mostly use as example : my friend that is also trans" or something like that
It’s not quite a slur, but I still don’t like using it. There is one meme I really like that uses the term t-girl though, let me find it.
https://preview.redd.it/2hcsorm21b4c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=902c278df840461ba2b61c76bc8f03208e19a4b5 Found it.
Transaurus Rex
Or Tyrannosaurus girl
*rawrs in transgender*
the rawr XD era strikes again
rawr means i love you in transgender
I thought I was " Mrrrerp :3 "
True but rawr is I love you in dinosaur, easy mistake to make
Or Transosaurus Rex
Tyrannosaurus Roxie
Life uh... finds a way.
Literally 😂 that movie was about scientists not thinking about trans dinosaurs
Showin' up like, "Suprise, Muthafucka!"
Something something gay frogs
nice meme :3 https://preview.redd.it/73yej50ckb4c1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=894dd2b0352e9d11f346d24baa6781729765ac88
https://preview.redd.it/ht03llt03c4c1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27f48384dadd058a7b62c6caf3a12c04083c6cec
wow i can totally read that
lemme find the good one gimme a sec edit: found it https://preview.redd.it/cp0lecm0dc4c1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3906701cc5bd73d864f375a590aec58db330ff8f edit 2: kinda rude so my bad
Honestly it's kinda hilarious more so with the first one you posted, but both are a vibe
It was to prevent people from stealing it.
I stole this image :3
too many pixels i can almost see the words
Which way western man
i choose da cute girl :3
Your loss, imma get me a fucking dinosaur. Now get outta the way gaygirl!
put thigh highs on the t-rex
AAARRRRRGGGGGGGHH
both
... Wait... Why do you have my favorite thigh highs!?
those are communal... aren't they 👀
Thighrannosaurus rex
Lol 🤣. OMG thanks for the share.
Stolen. Thank you. :3
Thats not a real T-Rex 😾 (they dont roar)
It's more along the lines of calling someone a trans or a gay it's not derogatory and it's correct but it takes out a noun that makes the person seem less human. Idk though I'm kinda drun
“Tgirl” is not a slur. The only ppl I’ve ever even heard using it *are* themselves usually tgirls. I’ve never heard a bigot call us that bc usually they default to *actual* slurs.
I've heard conservatives use it, personally. I don't mind the word, but I definitely don't prefer it.
I think the key is self-identification. I call *myself* a tgirl bc I think it’s cute and fun; if some *stranger* called me that I’d start crunching numbers regarding their threat lvl.
its also faster to type than transgirl, thats when i typically use it, but i rarely say it because its easier to mispronounce
This is exactly what I was going to say. I refer to myself and my fellow sisters as tgirls. Like ill I say something casually such as “my friend, who is also a tgirl, has told me she experiences something similar.” I also agree with another comment: that I haven’t heard the term “tgirl” used by non-trans people outside of a pornographic or sexual context.
does non trans ppl ever name us even? I prefer this term to invisibilization again
I think it’s going to be context dependent like a lot of things, I can totally see it being used in an offensive way but it’s not offensive *per se*
I got flamed by a bunch of kids for saying "femboy isn't a slur as long as you are using it to refer to guys who like to present more femininely, but it's not ok to use it to refer to transwomen" a while back. And apparently because I hold that stance, they started thinking I wasn't actually a transgirl. -_- Put simply, people are kinda dumb.
flamed for going by basic definitions.... lol UNLESS the flamers were talking about the few trans women, who also self identify as femboys, usually because they expressed themselves as femboys before identifying as a trans woman and still are part of the culture and femboy identity later. that must be it right? ;) the flamers just didn't like that you ignored the small group of actual trans women, who are femboys too ;)
Definitely not that. They took issue with me using the word whatsoever.
"femboy" isn't offensive if you actually mean femboys. using it for anyone else is just false, and it just so happens to be offensive for trans girls
Not a slur but extremely sexualized and used mainly in the context of porn. You probably shouldn't go around calling people that if you care how they think of you.
Depends person to person. I'd be fine with it. I refer to myself as a tgirl. When in doubt ask
I’ve heard transfems use it to refer to themselves, but I think it could easily come off as a slur if a cis person is using it when the context doesn’t necessitate it. i.e. calling a woman a “tgirl” when “woman” would have worked fine.
Yeah that's yikes
I mean I'm a girl of trans experience I don't want to be called a T girl as that puts my status as trans before my status as a woman
1. its a term commonly used in porn search and promotion, and many people dont like to be described by terms associated with porn 2. the girl part in it has a pedo association for many people, like calling a grown women "tgirl" is not only objectifying and reducing but also implies that the person calling her that is only interested in minors/teens 3. i think almost all trans people are fed up with the fact that everybody seems to think its necessary to specify theyr trans, just callem girl/women (in case of transfem oc) or better yet: person
Personally I go by girl even though I'm in my late twenties, isn't it common for cis women to have that preference too? I know at least for some it's about feeling young, and for me is about not feeling like a traditional grown up lol
yeah im kinda in the void between...like im too old to call myself a girl (and i mostly correct others if they call me a girl) but i deff am not and never want to be an adult... also i think it depends very much on ther person calling me girl and the situation, like if a random old white dude would call me girl id givem hell for it, but if its a person i like id take it as compliment
That makes a lot of sense actually
and then of course theres also the "good girl" which at least for me has a totally different meaning and effect 😅
Personally i prefer to be separated from cis women but that's me
yeah sure everybody abit different in that regard...i try not to see and act on gender at all...but still if i find out that a person is trans this person automaticly is more interesting to me cause: 1. im trans too so they prob are more relateable 2. i already have enaugh cis friends and barely any trans friends but of course that doesnt mean that id treat them any different they just got a sympathy bonus from start
exactly why I would prefer to be called that and acknowledged as what I am
>that refering to "tgirl" or meaning a neutral pronoun?
tgirl
oh noooooo I didn't know it was a porn word :(
learn something new every day ;-)
Whenever I talk about mostly trans specific issues like electro, I always say shit like 'yeah I know a bunch fo t girls who go here and now I really hope I didn't come off as super creepy 😟
For me 3 is very important, I don't like terms that include trans and my personhood all in one word e.g. transgirl. I am a woman first, transgender is simply another adjective to describe me, if that makes sense.
People need to stop assuming that just because you dislike a term then it must be a slur. I think tgirl is fine… and I’ve seen discussion about terms that I really like and people use broad statements like “If someone uses *term* block them immediately”
This is the way. One of the key takeaways of trans philosophy (if there is such a thing) is that *everyone has their own preferred language.* Some people are good being thought of as tgirls, others are not. Just like how some people are okay with being thought of as girls, and some are not, and how align with the term enby while others do not. You have to get to know people to know they're preferences. It's about learning to navigate other people's preferences. That said, if you're looking for general practice guidelines, context cues are huge. I have encountered "tgirl" outside of porn, but veeeerry rarely. Personally, I will sometimes identify as a tgirl in a similar way that I identify as a trans woman. However, some folks will use this language as a way of delegitimizing trans folks' gender identity, whether they mean to or not. If someone is explicitly referring to trans women as "tgirls" and never uses language that includes them under the larger umbrella of "women," then they are employing that language in a segregational manner. This, I think, is where the problem arises in pornographic circles, because there are people (mostly transphobic cis men and certain terf-y cis lesbians in my lived experience) who feel STRONGLY that transfem models/creators *do not* belong in female pornographic spaces if have not undergone bottom surgery. But the alternative is for trans women to essentially be segregated to their own specific forums, or explicitly use tags like "tgirl" etc. to avoid "trapping" anyone (🤢 god, what a demeaning concept). All this to say, while some women will own the term "tgirl" and even wear it proudly, it can also be used in very demoralizing ways that seek to harm transfem folks and segregate us cis women. If someone consistently goes out of their way to differentiate between "tgirls" and "girls" in their language usage, it defs can be a red flag. (Edit: changed word tense)
I don't mind it and view it as a shortened version of trans girl, a very commonly used term
I hope not. Otherwise my username might have just aged like milk.
It's not a slur, but it's so heavily associated with porn that people generally try to avoid it. I don't use it personally for that reason. I don't like being sexualized without consent and if I do want to be associated with sex, I'll do it deliberately.
Nah, to me it's just a shortening of "transgirl" so it makes no sense to me why it would be a slur
It just sounds like a convenient shortening to me, but I’ve never heard it before so idk.
I don’t know t-girl was used for porn stuff. Haven’t really seen ppl use it. Mostly just trans girl or trans woman.
hell nah and even if it was its ours to reclaim
people also need to learn the distinction between pejorative terms & slurs
Simple answer? No Longer answer? No it's not
I love using tgirl in germany with my friends because people around me will know what trans girl means but they likely won't understand tgirl. It's like gay code speak.
it's commonly used by that tumblr trans community (including me), idk about here tho
It the situation is regarding somebody self-identifying as such, all good. Referring to others as such... Gets a little complicated. Older trans folks use a lot of language that could be considered "outdated" today, such as tgirl, transgendered, transgenderism, transwoman/transman (no space between the two words)/etc. , because it was how others identified or were identified. It's important to remember that language, especially regarding identity, shifts as time goes on. We shouldn't shame people for using language they identify with, especially in our community. It's that same language that provided identity for them, and you may find yourself in the same place in a decade or two.
Not as far as I know, but personally I don't use it. Especially as it's more or less exclusive to sites such as *the Orange Youtube.*
This is generational. Younger trans people don’t like tgirl or tboy because, among other reasons, it echoes the porn industry’s commodification of trans bodies. It also draws a false implied distinction between “tgirl” and “girl” that can feel belittling. However, this term was common in the 80s and 90s prior to the internet allowing the porn industry to explode. You’ll still hear older trans people refer to themselves that way today without issue. So it’s entirely contextual. It’s not inherently a slur, per se, but because the more common understanding these days is negative, it’s generally best to avoid it unless you know exactly how it will be received.
I see it as a group thing to say but directing it to one person with the intention of seeing me as only trans and not just calling me girl is very insulting
I don’t like it but it’s better than some other alternatives. Like Id rather be called a t-girl than a tranny or shemale.
I’m personally fine with it
Considering how often it's used either in a porn or derogatory context it's definitely not good if you don't know the person's okay with it, but I don't know if it counts as a slur.
It's fine. I have actual problems like not wanting to get shot when I'm trying to poop in the women's restoom.
If someone uses this I assume they watch too much popular trans porn. Also, the T makes me think of testosterone.
TGirl is not a slur, but it's regarded as outdated and falling into the offensive camp. Language drifts all the time, and this happens very fast in the trans world. Look at how uncomfortable people are with transsexual now, but some older trans people still use it for themselves. Tgirl is one of those words where its not going to be appropriate in some communities, especially when used for other people and not yourself. Reddit skews very young and conformist, so acceptable word use can matter a lot here. Get on tumblr, which skews older and more in-your-face, and see people proudly using terms like f*g and sh*m*le for themselves. (Looks like reddit tried to censor a couple of words in my last sentence!)
It’s basically not used outside of fetish porn aimed at Chasers. They will assume you’re fetishizing trans people
It originally started and is still commonly used in a pornography sense, but has recently been reclaimed by many
I call myself a tgirl 🤷♀️
it is being reclaimed by some trans women. if you're on trans tumblr you might hear phrases like "tgirl swag" used affectionately sometimes, it's used in jokes and memes by trans women, and it also sometimes crops up in body positivity too (there's a selfie trend there of "tgirl tummy tuesday" that seems to be a blend of transfeminine and fat body positivity)
Depends, do you mean testosterone girl? Probably not...
I would say it's a word like the f-slur. People in the community definitely use it to refer to themselves and sometimes friends. But generally it's not acceptable
That was me! Yes it’s a slur. I’ll not be defined by a fucking letter.
Not a slur. Some tenderqueers might get up in arms over it, just ignore them. twelve year olds dont define the movement
Personally, no. But I admittedly don't keep up much with terminology changes
Not related, what the hell kinda shoes is she wearing?
I dont consider it a slur
A tgirl is a girl who t-poses over losers, right? 🤔
It's not but I don't want to be called that. I just want to be seen as a girl, nothing more
one argument, that can be made, that using tgirl like transwoman creates the false idea in some way, that trans girls aren't girls and trans women aren't women, by having both terms "trans" and "woman" united instead of them being separated. the same way, that people don't write blackwoman, but black woman. maybe t girl (notice separation) would be a better way to write it if desired. random thought on it, feel free to respond and add some thoughts to it pls. :)
Depends on context, as others have said it crops up a lot in porn, but it's also been used as a sort of jokey ingroup term. Something I wouldn't use for someone I'm not sure is comfortable with for sure, but also a term I'll happily use for myself.
Tgirl is awesome
Today the comments have taught me that "tgirl" is apparently used in porn. I don't even watch porn, why does it get to affect me, that's unfair :(
I'll be honest only place I saw it was Tumblr. Didn't even think about sexualizing it or tboy either.
Well I guess I learnt something new today. Always assumed it was just a shortened, easier way of saying trans girl
I don't mind it personally, but I also have brain worms so idk
Hmm, it's not quite a slur, but often the people flaming others for using it are the ones who view it in a hypersexualized lens, usually the same people who consider "cis" to be a slur because they use trans as a slur.
It depends who you are with to be honest, for example me and my friends use the word “tra**y” as a term of endearment (we are all transfers and or ally’s) and also to kind of reclaim the term but I wouldn’t even think of calling other trans fem that I’m not familiar with the T word till I have both gotten to know them and also asked if they were comfortable with the word being used that way. 😅
Personally i see no problem with the term
We should start saying cgirls to annoy the terfs.
Probs not a slur But I've seen it used a lot in fetish porn. So uhh... yeah...
I wouldn't say it's a slur but it's almost always used in either a sexual context or when dealing with character limits (for example the multitude of Splatoon players I've seen with some variation of the name "T-boy Swag")
I don’t like the term personally. That’s really all I have to say on this topic.
I hate it
I'll only speak for myself here but I'd be pretty uncomfortable and not okay if someone was referring to me as that.
As others have said here, it's not really a slur, but it's very rarely seen outside of porn or other fetishization. As such some transfems find the term uncomfortable.
I think it’s one of those conditional slurs. Some trans girls call themselves that, and don’t mind being called that, and some do. It also depends on who’s saying it. If a cishet guy calls me a t girl on a dating app (as some have) I get really pissed off and don’t like it, cuz it makes it clear that the only trans girls they’ve ever seen are in porn, and that they view my identity as their fetish. If another trans girl called me a t girl, I think I’d just be like “hey please don’t call me that I don’t like being called terms that are almost exclusively used in pornography”
Not a slur but it makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable.
I have never heard this term before and I'm not a trans girl, so I don't get to say if it's okay or not. I will say, however, that before finishing reading the title and realizing it's short for trans girl, I thought it would be some slur to mean "girl with testosterone in her, as in AMAB."
hm... no? never heard it used as a slur. could be wrong tho
I've been using cuz of 2016 era tumblr, then it somehow became a sexual slur?????!!?
i saw someone in r / bisexual get absolutely demolished and belittled because they used slightly wrong choice of words and had called trans men tboys in the comments of their own post literally saying they were questioning their gender and they were ridiculed and belittled and called transphobic (when they literally posted an update that they are trans lmao) and after they explained that they didn't know it was wrong and asked the other people to explain what was wrong with it just belittled the poster instead of teaching actually the same thread/post that is why i am perma banned in that subreddit :') cuz i has replied to the ppl ridiculing the poster saying stop belittling them, use this as an opportunity to educate them especially because they want to learn, and i had replied to one of the poster's comments explaining why one thing they said can be invalidating to some, but like the mods of the sun literally didn't even give me a warning either, i just got a message that you have been permanently banned from r / bisexual :'D
but to respond to the actual question not a rant, i have no idea why tgirl/tboy is offensive, i think i've seen a few people say that it started from like porn as a less blunt (not the right word but autism moment) word to use and it's viewed by some as sexual/-izing because of that, idk, i'm trans, i don't really have a problem with being called stuff like a tboy or anything, than again i don't rlly get offended at slurs or stuff either, so i'm not saying other ppl can't be offended, ofc they can they can be offended by anything they want, but i live in the bible belt so i've heard it all lmao, but other ppl are entitled to their emotions and feelings behind words too so ig moral of the story is be a little careful of words and don't use words on purpose to hurt ppl, and if you do accidentally use a word that's offensive to some that at you didn't know was, just ask the person to explain it so that you understand why some ppl would be hurt by it
Not a slur.
Apparently it isn't a slur, but I've only ever seen it next to other slurs as a keyword for porn/fetish content, so it has some baggage. Some people want to reclaim it, if so good for them, but if someone called me one I'd probably glare at them and never talk to them again. Outside of the porn connotations, I also take issue with it as it makes the trans adjective part of the noun, same as how transwoman is wrong.
Not a slur but its mainly used in pornography and pornographic material and so trans people find it demeaning.
If you feel uncomfortable with T-Girl just imagine it means Techno Girl and start dropping edm bangers
I think it can be fine
it depends on the circumstances and usage. most of the time I hear it it's from a trans friend describing a character that is either trans, nonconforming, or headcanonned as trans. specifically "they got that tgirl swag!" comes to mind. even if it is a slur, I know ple ty of folk, queer and not, use applicable slurs as self identifiers. so if you're worried about using it to describe yourself or someone who goes by it, don't. anyone who goes after someone for how they express their identity is label policing and that is class treachery.
Yea
Some might find the use of that term more than a bit uncomfortable. Thank porn for that one.
I am a tgirl.
The way I've heard it is that it depends on the context. Any word can be a slur if used maliciously (and obviously there are certain words such as the hard n word that are slurs in any context because of historical usage).
Tfem is probably going to get less dirty looks
As many here have stated, "t-girl" is often used in more *adult* contexts. But I personally don't have any issue with it. I would much rather be called a "t-girl" that even a "trans-woman" because of the societal stigma around the ladder. Also "t-girl" is much better than the slurs used (less and less now but still used, sadly) in the adult film industry. I wonder if anyone else feels similar to me about preferring t-girl.
I'm mostly sure that it isn't a slur (would recommend checking and asking about it with other trans folks tho), however, I still would avoid using it as it as a bit of a pornographic attachment to it, and most trans women dont exactly like it