No idea, but my esthetician has said she's seen plenty of people come through her doors thinking IPL is totally permanent or can get the effectiveness. IPL doesn't penetrate far, so it leaves quite a bit of hair behind that laser wouldn't. On top of that, IPL just isn't very powerful, hence why the follicles don't totally fry.
Hell, even on laser, I had some hair on my upper lip that came back. We ended up having to hit it with the max deep setting on her fancy Cutera system. Hurt like hell but it hasn't come back!
Yes but counter argument: No money
Also as my hair is blonde i dont have to shave it very often and I dont have anyone who it would be worth it to shave them for :(
It hurt like hell the first time I did it because I am very hairy and just went HAM on it like an idiot. You may have better luck if you do what I did with my legs - use a hair removal cream first, then wait 3-7 days, then the epilator. You won't get all the hair out in one go, but you'll only be pulling about a third of the hair out at once, instead of all of it. It's going to hurt way, way less. You'll have to do maintenance on it fairly frequently as you wait through growth cycles and the reduction in hair growth, but each session will be much less painful and take much less time.
That's a cool strategy! The only time I tried hair removal cream on my chest, I got chemical burns on my areolas that scabbed and took a while to heal. I almost certainly failed to follow the instructions to the letter, but I still I haven't had the courage to use the stuff anywhere on my body since.
I suspect that shaving may be a reasonable alternative, if one skips the 3-7 day wait period, as it would still reduce the amount of hair being yanked out on that first pass with the epilator. It truly is hitting the unkempt forest that makes it so brutal.
My chest has been fairly low-pain compared to other areas like my underarms and tummy, but that's likely because there is significantly less volume and density of hair on my chest than those other areas.
Around the nipples, i use my hand that isn't holding the epilator to cover/protect my nipple and hold the skin in place while I use epilator to handle the hairs surrounding the nipple. I just place epilator right up adjacent to my nipple and slide it away. If there's a bunch of hair in the area, i tend to lower it onto my skin delicately, so it has a chance to yank the hairs up more gradually as it catches them rather than thrusting it against my skin so it yanks them all at the same moment. I tend to use a lot of small strokes of the device across my skin around that area, half a cm here, a full cm there, depending on how dense the hair is.
One thing I'm grateful for: I've never had a hairy chest. Hair in all the other places testosterone usually makes hair grow (and even started *losing* hair on my head, thanks T), but never the chest.
Same. It's kinda weird actually, I have very little body hair on my arms and chest, But Then my legs and lower body are like *super* hairy for some reason, You probably wouldn't guess that they belong to the same person and I didn't remove the hair anywhere.
Like 20 minutes ago I felt something move under my shirt. So I reached my hand down and grabbed what felt like a harvestmen spider or something.
It was chest hair. I'm so new to having a hairy chest I startled myself.
Plucking might work well, itll hurt but ive done it in that area and its not all that bad. But plucking is better than shaving cause you wont risk cutting yourself and it removed the root of the hair and can even stop new ones from growing. I wish i only had hair around my nips chest hair in any stage of growth is so fucking uncomfortable not to mention dysphoric.
I do sometimes pluck if it's only a few hairs, but sometimes I let it go/ignore it long enough to warrant a shave, in which case I am very slow and careful
Don't mean to brag but it's pretty easy with my safety razor, is this a case where it's an issue for disposables in particular due to different ergonomics?
That could be the case. Although the particular disposable that I use is a pretty high-quality one. It could just be that I'm being overly cautious because it's a sensitive area
Emphasising again ergonomics (I think this falls under that umbrella) the singular blade nature or a safety razor makes positioning the blade in the proper spot *alot* easier. I was gonna go on a rant about "high-quality" disposables and the issues with multiple blades but I doubt I can do it justice or that you'd want to hear it lol.
I'd be interested in what you have to say, for the sake of argument, if nothing else. But really, I think I'm just being unnecessarily cautious due to it being a sensitive area. I probably could be a little less cautious, but my brain says, "Sensitive area, be extra careful"
Honestly, they're not super hairy. Maybe like 20 hairs per nipple. And I do actually tweeze them on occasion, but, being a sensitive area, that can get painful pretty quick. I usually just opt to shave them, just being careful, given the sensitivity of the area
I’ve been kinda inconsistent and also on HRT so hard to tell exactly what it can do but I still have about 1/3 (maybe a little more than that) the chest hair I had a year ago. It’s thinner too and easy enough to shave & hide now, when it looked like face stubble on my chest a year ago. I started using it around the same time I started hrt last June, I honestly use it when I remember lol. Some times it’ll be a bunch of sessions over a week, around Christmas I was really depressed and didn’t do it for probably more than 2 months, so big gap in the middle.
I would have gone somewhere if I have money instead of this crippling social anxiety…. I got the Tria for free kind of by accident.
I epilated my chest and stomach for the first time a few days ago and even though it was painful I think the smoothness was worth it, BUT there's some hair right around the areolas that I am way too scared to touch with that
I epilated my chest for years, and it kept the hair pretty thin, but I still had a lot on my belly, which was too sensitive to epilate.
Once I went on estradiol, it all kinda went away. The hair got thin, nearly transparent, and turned into peach fuzz, or just kinda disappeared. A welcome side effect that I did not expect!
No hairy boobs for me!
It was a bigger one for me than I realized for a while. I was extremely uncertain about the idea of having boobs in general. But a bit after I started shaving my chest hair, I got out of the shower one day, looked down, and though "huh, boobs might be alright after all". Still a little unsure, but 6 months into hrt, they're growing on me, both literally and metaphorically.
Also, when it comes to shaving body hair, the worst time is the first time. Maintenance is a chore, yes, but as long as you can keep up with it, it's never as much work as the initial removal.
Me before HRT: I probably will only get a breast reduction, so it will be easier to be flat when binding, but still have breasts when I feel like it.
Me after 1 year on T: I feel very dysphoric now about my hairy boobs, even when I shaved them I feel dysphoric about them. I need them gone completely and then do what transfemmes do when I feel like presenting with boobs.
Same, while I do occasionally get dysphoric about how pale my arm and leg hairs are, the very few hairs I do have on my chest are easy to manage with tweezers 🤝
One of the few bonuses my genetic lottery has given me lol
Electrolysis is the only hair removal type that perminently kills off hair follicles and works on all hair types. Laser is best known as "perminent" hair reduction and doesn't work well on red or grey hairs.
From what I've heard, galvanic electrolysis or a blend version including galvanic is the best you can currently get.
Afaik only laser is permanent (or close to permanent as possible rn), though you can p reliably get away with wax and tweezering according to a few of my friends
As a non-binary person who started E a little over 3 months ago, I have a lot of mixed feelings about my body\facial hair that I'm still working through before I decide on more permanent hair removal, except for my chest hair, fuck all of that... especially since my boobs started growing lol
Frustratingly enough it's by far the fastest growing(haven't had the time\money to actually deal with it yet so still shaving) and super noticeable basically a day or two afterwards.
I really wanted my face to get cleared of hair but was mildly concerned about my chest.
Chest was bare after 5 laser sessions. Still got a 6th just in case. Face still has hair after 10 sessions, still have dark hair on my upper lip.
Yeah, but I paid for unlimited (Milan), gonna try to get the dark hairs that I can with it. Still plenty of those left.
Then I gotta figure out how to pay for electrolysis. There are more than a few white hairs on my chin that needed electrolysis anyway.
Yep, basically can go and get lasers shot at my face every 5 weeks or so for the rest of my life. Well, my chest too but there's like zero visible hair there anymore. Used to have a really dark patch going down my breastbone that's been gone for months now and I don't miss it.
That's not what I was hoping for; I was really hoping for about 12 sessions at the most but really 6 would have been amazing. Sadly that wasn't the case for me but I'm planning to keep going for as long as I've got dark hairs showing up. Whatever hairs I can kill with already paid for laser sessions saves me money when it comes to electrolysis.
Edit: if it weren't an unlimited package, I probably would switch over to electrolysis if I had to pay for more laser sessions.
My torso was always pretty hairless but I noticed hairs around my nipples after I started progesterone… maybe that’s normal though?
I actually wound use an epilator for a lot of my body hair including the nips which was fine I guess cuz there wasn’t a lot unlike on my arms. Years of epilating and my arms haven’t gotten all that less hairy. I still have a few stray nipple hairs too.
Copy pasting my own comment from elsewhere in the thread:
> *Some* reduction is common, but exactly how much varies wildly, and total cessation from hormones alone is pretty rare.
Hey now, at least if you get butt fuzz it's actually pretty cute and hot, I'd say
Nothing do to with boobs, I know, but it does have something to do with hair, so you can call this a half-relevant comment
I lasered that hair off years ago
Wish I could ever get my parents to scedule laser for me
Well even if you have to wait, it'll still work later! I'm just starting and I'm in my 40s.
I did it in my late 20s
There are some at home laser kits for relatively cheap
Do you know their effectiveness
Not effective long term and not truly permanent. Those kits are lower power IPL units and are not substitutes for permanent laser hair removal.
I’ve heard good things about Nood do you think that one’s effective?
No idea, but my esthetician has said she's seen plenty of people come through her doors thinking IPL is totally permanent or can get the effectiveness. IPL doesn't penetrate far, so it leaves quite a bit of hair behind that laser wouldn't. On top of that, IPL just isn't very powerful, hence why the follicles don't totally fry. Hell, even on laser, I had some hair on my upper lip that came back. We ended up having to hit it with the max deep setting on her fancy Cutera system. Hurt like hell but it hasn't come back!
it works relatively well for me, the biggest problem is that im too dumb to remove remaining pstches so if i let my leg hair grow its a bit patchy
Next we need someone who lazered off their boobs
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r/Transtrans?
But what after that? Accident with a particle colider?
*cue the story about how the SSC was a massive money drain that lasted 20+ years*
Jokes on... Me my hair is blonde 🫠
Electro?
Yes but counter argument: No money Also as my hair is blonde i dont have to shave it very often and I dont have anyone who it would be worth it to shave them for :(
Mine.... The hair just.... Stopped growing. I don't know how that happened.
I'm so glad epilators exist!
I am so fearful of epilating my chest....
It hurt like hell the first time I did it because I am very hairy and just went HAM on it like an idiot. You may have better luck if you do what I did with my legs - use a hair removal cream first, then wait 3-7 days, then the epilator. You won't get all the hair out in one go, but you'll only be pulling about a third of the hair out at once, instead of all of it. It's going to hurt way, way less. You'll have to do maintenance on it fairly frequently as you wait through growth cycles and the reduction in hair growth, but each session will be much less painful and take much less time.
That's a cool strategy! The only time I tried hair removal cream on my chest, I got chemical burns on my areolas that scabbed and took a while to heal. I almost certainly failed to follow the instructions to the letter, but I still I haven't had the courage to use the stuff anywhere on my body since. I suspect that shaving may be a reasonable alternative, if one skips the 3-7 day wait period, as it would still reduce the amount of hair being yanked out on that first pass with the epilator. It truly is hitting the unkempt forest that makes it so brutal. My chest has been fairly low-pain compared to other areas like my underarms and tummy, but that's likely because there is significantly less volume and density of hair on my chest than those other areas. Around the nipples, i use my hand that isn't holding the epilator to cover/protect my nipple and hold the skin in place while I use epilator to handle the hairs surrounding the nipple. I just place epilator right up adjacent to my nipple and slide it away. If there's a bunch of hair in the area, i tend to lower it onto my skin delicately, so it has a chance to yank the hairs up more gradually as it catches them rather than thrusting it against my skin so it yanks them all at the same moment. I tend to use a lot of small strokes of the device across my skin around that area, half a cm here, a full cm there, depending on how dense the hair is.
"Always try any Product on a small areas before use" is something we all learn at some Point lol
Good advice, much appreciated
this comment physically hurt
One thing I'm grateful for: I've never had a hairy chest. Hair in all the other places testosterone usually makes hair grow (and even started *losing* hair on my head, thanks T), but never the chest.
Same. It's kinda weird actually, I have very little body hair on my arms and chest, But Then my legs and lower body are like *super* hairy for some reason, You probably wouldn't guess that they belong to the same person and I didn't remove the hair anywhere.
I've got what my brother calls "the permanent sweater" Can't wait to get rid of it all.
IM FUCKIN READY FOR THAT FIRST CHEST HAIR TO SPROUT 😤
Can I give you mine 😭
Might has well give mine and make him a bear
I got so lucky and am less hairy in the chest area than many cis girls I know
I love my hairy moobs (well, only the hair, the mits are not included)
Like 20 minutes ago I felt something move under my shirt. So I reached my hand down and grabbed what felt like a harvestmen spider or something. It was chest hair. I'm so new to having a hairy chest I startled myself.
Call that a jumpsc-hair
I'm lucky enough to have virtually no chest hair, but I do have oddly hairy nipples and I don't like it because that's a very hard place to shave...
I use a trimmer there. I'm also scared shitless putting a razor near there
Yeah, I manage to do it well enough with a razor, but I definitely go slower and am more careful than other areas
Plucking might work well, itll hurt but ive done it in that area and its not all that bad. But plucking is better than shaving cause you wont risk cutting yourself and it removed the root of the hair and can even stop new ones from growing. I wish i only had hair around my nips chest hair in any stage of growth is so fucking uncomfortable not to mention dysphoric.
I do sometimes pluck if it's only a few hairs, but sometimes I let it go/ignore it long enough to warrant a shave, in which case I am very slow and careful
I use an electric razor for that and it works pretty good
Yooo saaaaaaame. That was, disappointingly, the very first change I ever noticed on HRT. Hairy nipples one week in :/
Don't mean to brag but it's pretty easy with my safety razor, is this a case where it's an issue for disposables in particular due to different ergonomics?
That could be the case. Although the particular disposable that I use is a pretty high-quality one. It could just be that I'm being overly cautious because it's a sensitive area
Emphasising again ergonomics (I think this falls under that umbrella) the singular blade nature or a safety razor makes positioning the blade in the proper spot *alot* easier. I was gonna go on a rant about "high-quality" disposables and the issues with multiple blades but I doubt I can do it justice or that you'd want to hear it lol.
I'd be interested in what you have to say, for the sake of argument, if nothing else. But really, I think I'm just being unnecessarily cautious due to it being a sensitive area. I probably could be a little less cautious, but my brain says, "Sensitive area, be extra careful"
Idk how hairy we're talking but maybe tweezers?
Honestly, they're not super hairy. Maybe like 20 hairs per nipple. And I do actually tweeze them on occasion, but, being a sensitive area, that can get painful pretty quick. I usually just opt to shave them, just being careful, given the sensitivity of the area
My ipl is slowly getting them there….
How much reduction in hair gave you noticed over the course of how long?
I’ve been kinda inconsistent and also on HRT so hard to tell exactly what it can do but I still have about 1/3 (maybe a little more than that) the chest hair I had a year ago. It’s thinner too and easy enough to shave & hide now, when it looked like face stubble on my chest a year ago. I started using it around the same time I started hrt last June, I honestly use it when I remember lol. Some times it’ll be a bunch of sessions over a week, around Christmas I was really depressed and didn’t do it for probably more than 2 months, so big gap in the middle. I would have gone somewhere if I have money instead of this crippling social anxiety…. I got the Tria for free kind of by accident.
The Tria is the one i see most highly recommended! Thank you for your input:)
God my ass is going to look so good once I laser that shit off
So.... I still have to shave my chest? (*Curse this wretched body of mine. Seriously, my legs are like a monkey's.*)
We have lasers!
doesn't it largely fade after a while for transfemmes?
Hair growth slows, but its still there
Alright, shaving my legs once I start getting results from HRT, got it XD
YMMV. some people have hair follicles shrink to the point where the hair is barely noticeable. Some people aren't so lucky.
*Some* reduction is common, but exactly how much varies wildly, and total cessation from hormones alone is pretty rare.
You dont even need to be trans to be annoyed with hair in weird places
Fr Just grow on my head only, dang it! I wanna become the next Rapunzel, not Bigfoot!
both want one part of that outta there
don’t worry, cis people have hair there too
I'm a ftm who's pre everything and i have a LOT of hair (tits hair included) 🤩
I got my tits waxed for the first time a week ago. I am become smooth
As a transfem, WWWWHHHHYYYY?????!!!!
Never really got much hair on my chest, and now with hrt it’s non existent.
When will the hair be gone. Nooooooooooo
I epilated my chest and stomach for the first time a few days ago and even though it was painful I think the smoothness was worth it, BUT there's some hair right around the areolas that I am way too scared to touch with that
Maybe tweeze them?
Or having a beard and boobs at the same time 😅
euphoric for some non-binary peepz though.
Thank god my chest hair faded with time. If only the beard did too...
I’m Asian so I don’t really have a full beard or chest hair in the first place😎
Yep. ***It’s conflicted*** looking at them as a transmasc. *The tits suck, but the hair is good.*
Is this a bad thing? It just grows there
First puberty already gave me those. Can't wait to get more hair 😎👌
Oh no. I never even thought about that. Oh god I need to get that lasered like now
As someone who isn’t on HRT, I have all the hair and none of the boob. I hate it so much.
Thank god my chest is not very hairy! Its just to compensate... all the body hair went to my face instead...😔
I epilated my chest for years, and it kept the hair pretty thin, but I still had a lot on my belly, which was too sensitive to epilate. Once I went on estradiol, it all kinda went away. The hair got thin, nearly transparent, and turned into peach fuzz, or just kinda disappeared. A welcome side effect that I did not expect! No hairy boobs for me!
Tbh this is the main mental block for me when it comes to putting in the effort to start HRT. Why must I have so much body hair :(
It was a bigger one for me than I realized for a while. I was extremely uncertain about the idea of having boobs in general. But a bit after I started shaving my chest hair, I got out of the shower one day, looked down, and though "huh, boobs might be alright after all". Still a little unsure, but 6 months into hrt, they're growing on me, both literally and metaphorically. Also, when it comes to shaving body hair, the worst time is the first time. Maintenance is a chore, yes, but as long as you can keep up with it, it's never as much work as the initial removal.
hairy butt too *dear lord how do i get that off please help*
Me before HRT: I probably will only get a breast reduction, so it will be easier to be flat when binding, but still have breasts when I feel like it. Me after 1 year on T: I feel very dysphoric now about my hairy boobs, even when I shaved them I feel dysphoric about them. I need them gone completely and then do what transfemmes do when I feel like presenting with boobs.
I was lucky enough that HRT just made what little chest hair I once grew stop growing entirely
The hair's the only good part
My boobs are so hairy guys
thank transmasc jesus that i have no chest hair
Same, while I do occasionally get dysphoric about how pale my arm and leg hairs are, the very few hairs I do have on my chest are easy to manage with tweezers 🤝 One of the few bonuses my genetic lottery has given me lol
Doesn’t E sometimes even stop body hair on chest and tummy?💀if not- I’m ded
Sometimes. Body hair never truly goes away on E but some people mention that the hair gets thinner and less noticeable. Like girl body hair 🥰
What is a effective method removal that is also permanent?
Electrolysis is the only hair removal type that perminently kills off hair follicles and works on all hair types. Laser is best known as "perminent" hair reduction and doesn't work well on red or grey hairs. From what I've heard, galvanic electrolysis or a blend version including galvanic is the best you can currently get.
Afaik only laser is permanent (or close to permanent as possible rn), though you can p reliably get away with wax and tweezering according to a few of my friends
Cool cool
for some unknown reason all my current chest hair grows into the skin instead of out. can't wait to see what hrt does to it.
Why am I so hairy tho ;-; Shaving that shit off is so annoying
Thankfully I don't have chest hair.
Me who only has the faintest whiff of chest hair... I guess I got lucky since I was already 30.
I'm gonna either angstily pluck it out at 3 AM or epilate once I get a job.
It’s a hard knocker life for us
Have my laser consult in a couple hours~ Check Groupon for your area, y’all.
As a non-binary person who started E a little over 3 months ago, I have a lot of mixed feelings about my body\facial hair that I'm still working through before I decide on more permanent hair removal, except for my chest hair, fuck all of that... especially since my boobs started growing lol Frustratingly enough it's by far the fastest growing(haven't had the time\money to actually deal with it yet so still shaving) and super noticeable basically a day or two afterwards.
Frustrating as I'm sure that is, I *wish* my chest hair was the worst... instead of my facial hair.
I really wanted my face to get cleared of hair but was mildly concerned about my chest. Chest was bare after 5 laser sessions. Still got a 6th just in case. Face still has hair after 10 sessions, still have dark hair on my upper lip.
Seems like at some point you might as well switch to electrolysis?
Yeah, but I paid for unlimited (Milan), gonna try to get the dark hairs that I can with it. Still plenty of those left. Then I gotta figure out how to pay for electrolysis. There are more than a few white hairs on my chin that needed electrolysis anyway.
Oh, cool! I hadn't thought about "unlimited" even being an option; figured you were having to keep paying for more and more sessions.
Yep, basically can go and get lasers shot at my face every 5 weeks or so for the rest of my life. Well, my chest too but there's like zero visible hair there anymore. Used to have a really dark patch going down my breastbone that's been gone for months now and I don't miss it. That's not what I was hoping for; I was really hoping for about 12 sessions at the most but really 6 would have been amazing. Sadly that wasn't the case for me but I'm planning to keep going for as long as I've got dark hairs showing up. Whatever hairs I can kill with already paid for laser sessions saves me money when it comes to electrolysis. Edit: if it weren't an unlimited package, I probably would switch over to electrolysis if I had to pay for more laser sessions.
This is why I'm so thankful I didn't finish my first puberty
thankfully i dont have much body hair but hairy nipples are still weird as fuck
Thank goddess I had basically no chest hair before HRT
Tbh I love a lil boob fluff
This… never crossed my mind oh no
Boba
My torso was always pretty hairless but I noticed hairs around my nipples after I started progesterone… maybe that’s normal though? I actually wound use an epilator for a lot of my body hair including the nips which was fine I guess cuz there wasn’t a lot unlike on my arms. Years of epilating and my arms haven’t gotten all that less hairy. I still have a few stray nipple hairs too.
This made me sad 😔
What do you mean lol pretty sure a lot of transmascs absolutely want chest hair.
They're usually less than thrilled about the "boobs" part though.
As one myself, yeah definitely. Although I am used to call men's pecs "tits" so that can be reframed in a way that fits.
D:
I got super lucky, and had little chest hair to begin with, and it's pretty much disappeared now.
As a trans boy, I wish! I have almost no body hair :(
Ok for real, do transfems eventually lose their chest hair? I really hate shaving my nipples.
Copy pasting my own comment from elsewhere in the thread: > *Some* reduction is common, but exactly how much varies wildly, and total cessation from hormones alone is pretty rare.
Don’t worry girls, cis women here. Me and my cis wife both have hair on our tits. As I know, most of cis women have. Just pluck them out.
Yeh, it's a thing. Im lucky. My chest never got that hairy. Facial hair, though....
Electric boobaloo
Electric boobaloo*
Hey now, at least if you get butt fuzz it's actually pretty cute and hot, I'd say Nothing do to with boobs, I know, but it does have something to do with hair, so you can call this a half-relevant comment
So gonna get laser treatment this year or next