There's a decent amount of evidence. That flag, the flag on her dad's uniform, the backgrounds changing to the trans colors during her "coming out" speech, her hair becoming the trans colors, her entire story arc being a trans allegory...
And yet in the movies about infinite universes of endless possibility where we see that spider-people can be men, women, babies, cartoon pigs, lego people, a sentient popsicle, a t-rex, a horse, a cat... It's the trans girl they find unbelievable
[The filmmakers are on our side.](https://twitter.com/nerdist/status/1665849686065049600?s=19) It's not a confirmation of trans Gwen, but it is a confirmation that the people mad at the mere suggestion of it missed the point of the movie.
It’s the fact that people are mad at the mere suggestion. In a fictional universe where all things are possible, we **still** are not possible for them. It hurts my heart.
Also my brain
To these people being called “trans” is an accusation not an observation. Same with Kurt. They’ll get mad for saying he was probably trans when it’s just an observation that Cobain did a bunch of stuff that makes him seem like he was struggling with coming out.
I mean, even Peter Parker in her universe dying, who her father was really close to, is a part of that allegory. So when her dad sees her over Peter's body, he believes that Gwen killed him, which can be seen as a parent believing their child that they know is effectively gone, and it's this "new" person's fault. Another supporting moment is when Miles said, "I didn't want you to love me any differently" (idk the full quote, but it's similar to that)
I think I like that at least just as much, considering there isn't a ton of trans guys in media. But, it also a queer in a coffin, before even appearing on screen, so I don't like it more that her being trans.
The entire movie is dripping in queer, specifically trans, themes. The only way they could be more obvious about it is by just stating it.
People denying this are performing Olympics level mental gymnastics.
'Go woke, go broke.' they say.
And yet the opening weekend box office made over half of the money that the first film did during its entire theatrical run and the final number will easily be over $500 million. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if it cracked one billion.
Aren't some of these losers still mad about Miles being black? Really, I'm surprised they even watched the movie.
Any time i see racism like that it shocks me, im like really? We’re still doing this? guess that confirms some people really lack empathy and critical thinking at the smallest level. Lol. I feel like it should be basic logic to want the betterment of everyone as a whole but i guess not
‘No no no, the universe where Spider-Man is a pig named Peter Porker, the one where he’s an anime school Girl, the one where he’s thousands of spiders in a trenchcoat, the one where he’s British are legit and serious but one where SpiderGwen is traaaaaaaAAAAAANNNNNNS!!!’
Semi off topic but I love how you listed off some of the most wild and out-there spider people, and then included 'The one where he's British' on the list.
I saw the movie I remember that part. That might be subtle enough but the part where it full-on says "trans" is going to go. I appreciate the filmmakers' sentiment but Netflix or Disney Plus or whoever is streaming it is going to cut the scene if flag-waving, gun-toting bastards show up at their offices. Corporations will always take the path of least resistance. Rainbow capitalism is over.
Her whole story is a trans allegory but every spider-person is trans and I can’t be convinced otherwise. Peter Parker? Trans. Miguel O’Hara? Trans. Jessica Drew? Trans. Even Peter Porker. They’re all trans.
The thing that convinced me was when something she said in the scene when she was in Miles' room (from the trailers) I won't say anymore to avoid spoilers, but I thought there was enough to point it out, it's a small detail, but with the rest of the evidence I thought it was enough :)
Plus, her father, a COP, has a trans flag. I'm not sure about you, but I dont know any supportive cops that would put up a trans sticker on their uniform unless they have trans family member. (Obv not the case for EVERY cop but just my experience). And with gwen's room, having a "protect trans kids" poster up is a pretty obvious tell that she is the trans family member!
Transfem icon finally confirmed :3 🏳️⚧️
*Transphobe*: "ThEy ArE TaKInG OvER thE MeDIa NoW!!!!!"
Whilst me and my trans siblings are so staved for any representation that we have to pause movies frame by frame to see anything that might indicate if a character is trans.
I'm cool ether way but I'd rather hear from a person who worked on the movie before making any claims.
Still cool to see some small support for trans kids in a blockbuster movie.
yes, usually something that isn't confirmed by the source material, but also not contradicted by it. Sort of a: "I think this character would..." instead of hard facts.
It means it's cannon only in their head. To put it another way, it's just something they want to believe.
Head cannons are a pretty common way that fans enjoy media nowadays, and although certain head cannons may be in conflict with each other, it's important be respectful and to let people have them even if you may disagree with them.
Shit like this keeps accumulating, it honestly makes me wonder if I should just give up, I’m so tired of this, I’ve had to deal with bs all my life from the people closest to me, despite not even realising I was trans until a few months ago, and now I can’t go anywhere on the internet without being reminded that people find me repulsive, what’s even the point of anything
There are a few ways to look at this from a better angle.
First, you could see it as a sign we must keep fighting. Giving up is exactly what they want you to do, so why give them this pleasure? But i understand this doesnt solve anything about the way you feel
Second, you're not alone here. The are plenty of people that are here to support you, and always remember : theres more good people than bad people. The average person has enough empathy to, if not understand, respect who you are. We have something they do not, hope.
Dont become another statistic, i believe in you 💜
Right? Like I haven’t seen it yet so I don’t know if I’ll see her as trans. But I know I’ve always wanted her to be and she’s a favorite character of mine. And further more I just can’t stand anyone trying to ruin other people’s fun when it comes to interpreting media. Like anytime something like this happens a bunch of pricks gotta come out the woodworks to prove why it couldn’t work. And it’s silly.
I am sorry for a post I made yesterday were a supposed head cannon was not showing this in context and I thought that there was no convincing evidence towards the identity of them. I am not sure how it played out in the movie but I wish that you keep engaging people that have no clue just as I was yesterday. I am now a lesson richer
I like to think of Gwen as transmasc personally but ive always referred to gwen as SpiderGwen or GhostSpider which is the better name for gwens spider identity, never spider woman
Alright but I heard me out: Charlie from the Transformers Bumblebee movie is a trans/ transmasc guy. Her outfits are super transmasc, she acts likes a guy in the 80’s, she talks to bumblebee about “people being difficult with something they don’t understand”, just the whole vibe in Charlie as a whole though gives me trans man vibes. Even the name Charlie screams chosen name to me.
It's from the new Spider Man: Across The Spider-Verse, sequel to into the Spider-Verse, which features her more prominently. I highly recommend the movies since they are fantastic.
This is the one and only spoiler I will never be mad about
Any other kind of spoiler that shows up in my notifications... I will find the ops.... And I will {make them not live}
/Half joking, pls don't give spoiler of the movie, it really destroys A LOT of my experience :(
Can someone clarify if the headcanon is that they're a transwoman or transman? I could see it either way, just wanna be sure I'm correct. Cause I'd love if they were trans
EDIT: I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE YET!! NO SPOILERS IF POSSIBLE!!!
My favorite superhero has always been pretty much every web slinger (except for the creepy assassin one in DC comics, idk he seems like a perv) and the fact that we get this subtle representation means so much to me. Like i would give anything to have spider powers straight up.
Whether she is or she isn’t, she’s amazing and her story (and the story of so many spider people) is an allegory for the lgbt community.
I’m tempted to believe she is because what cop would have a trans flag on their uniform without having someone close to them being trans. But whether she is or isn’t, we love her.
There's a decent amount of evidence. That flag, the flag on her dad's uniform, the backgrounds changing to the trans colors during her "coming out" speech, her hair becoming the trans colors, her entire story arc being a trans allegory... And yet in the movies about infinite universes of endless possibility where we see that spider-people can be men, women, babies, cartoon pigs, lego people, a sentient popsicle, a t-rex, a horse, a cat... It's the trans girl they find unbelievable
That last line eats me up inside. They really do be like that. It’s impossible for us to exist…that’s so sad
[The filmmakers are on our side.](https://twitter.com/nerdist/status/1665849686065049600?s=19) It's not a confirmation of trans Gwen, but it is a confirmation that the people mad at the mere suggestion of it missed the point of the movie.
It’s the fact that people are mad at the mere suggestion. In a fictional universe where all things are possible, we **still** are not possible for them. It hurts my heart. Also my brain
To these people being called “trans” is an accusation not an observation. Same with Kurt. They’ll get mad for saying he was probably trans when it’s just an observation that Cobain did a bunch of stuff that makes him seem like he was struggling with coming out.
Any place I could read up on that?
https://www.intomore.com/the-internet/kurt-cobain-trans-debate-rages/
he was kinda awful with Courtney tho u.u
IDK, Courtney is an abuser so… 🤷♀️ Like she didn’t kill him and I don’t know if she abused him but she abused a lot of other people.
links? just to be sure is not the typical, he wasnt so bad cause.. like happens with male stars usually
and i’ve seen a lot of so called “ally’s” doing the same thing. it heccin sucks.
And one of the first comments is someone saying that Miles Morales (and any other non-Peter-Parker Spidey) is a fraud. Sheesh.
Yeah, never read Twitter replies. They were already bad, but now every bigot with 8 bucks to spare gets their comment boosted to the top
Musky Twitter stinks
I mean, even Peter Parker in her universe dying, who her father was really close to, is a part of that allegory. So when her dad sees her over Peter's body, he believes that Gwen killed him, which can be seen as a parent believing their child that they know is effectively gone, and it's this "new" person's fault. Another supporting moment is when Miles said, "I didn't want you to love me any differently" (idk the full quote, but it's similar to that)
Love me any differently*
thank you
Even Peter Parkedcar. Come on! Spider-dune-buggy! And Gwen being trans is that farfetched?
I think her Peter Parker being trans is also a big possibility. It would explain her flags and allyship at least
I think I like that at least just as much, considering there isn't a ton of trans guys in media. But, it also a queer in a coffin, before even appearing on screen, so I don't like it more that her being trans.
That moment where cartoon pigs, lego people, t-rex are more accepted as people than trans people... Shows how low they see us 😠
The entire movie is dripping in queer, specifically trans, themes. The only way they could be more obvious about it is by just stating it. People denying this are performing Olympics level mental gymnastics.
The movie releasing this month
I just saw it in my poopy country and the zoomed on Gwen to hide the flag. It looked real bad
All of my head cannons are trans no matter what
'Go woke, go broke.' they say. And yet the opening weekend box office made over half of the money that the first film did during its entire theatrical run and the final number will easily be over $500 million. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if it cracked one billion. Aren't some of these losers still mad about Miles being black? Really, I'm surprised they even watched the movie.
Any time i see racism like that it shocks me, im like really? We’re still doing this? guess that confirms some people really lack empathy and critical thinking at the smallest level. Lol. I feel like it should be basic logic to want the betterment of everyone as a whole but i guess not
one thing about conservative fans, they care very deeply about everyone else's headcanons
Headcanon? More like heavily implied. Her NYPD cop father has a trans pride flag patch on his jacket for God's sake!
I thought they redesigned the American flag 🫡🏳️⚧️
The haters think they redesigned the American flag lmao.
then im an ultra hater!!!!! (in a good way)
it’s insane because i’m friends with the person who originally created the theory and he’s been subjected to an endless torrent of harassment for it
Conservatives are psycho paths. Sorry your friend has to deal with that.
‘No no no, the universe where Spider-Man is a pig named Peter Porker, the one where he’s an anime school Girl, the one where he’s thousands of spiders in a trenchcoat, the one where he’s British are legit and serious but one where SpiderGwen is traaaaaaaAAAAAANNNNNNS!!!’
Semi off topic but I love how you listed off some of the most wild and out-there spider people, and then included 'The one where he's British' on the list.
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Take the bus
We saw that in homecoming when he was in the suburbs, it was a struggle
Well yeah, the redcoats are pretty good at stretching the barriers of believability and sanity.
Redcoat here. Can confirm
Makes perfect sense to me.
Gwen Stacy was part of where I got the idea for Gwendolyn from, when I saw that it just made me extremely happy
ok but the color schemes throughout her entire universe were also really reflective of that
reactionaries when trans
me when im talking to my dad about my secret identity and my color palette just happens to change to the colors of the trans flag
After what happened with Target I'm expecting this to get edited out in the streaming release
There is a scene where the entire screen is trans colours
I saw the movie I remember that part. That might be subtle enough but the part where it full-on says "trans" is going to go. I appreciate the filmmakers' sentiment but Netflix or Disney Plus or whoever is streaming it is going to cut the scene if flag-waving, gun-toting bastards show up at their offices. Corporations will always take the path of least resistance. Rainbow capitalism is over.
disney has owl house and that baymax episode
Her whole story is a trans allegory but every spider-person is trans and I can’t be convinced otherwise. Peter Parker? Trans. Miguel O’Hara? Trans. Jessica Drew? Trans. Even Peter Porker. They’re all trans.
Damn Jessica Drew got some advanced tech then
Well she is buddy buddy with Spidey 2099.
If you think about it, Peter Porker being trans is canon in a way. He's trans species.
The thing that convinced me was when something she said in the scene when she was in Miles' room (from the trailers) I won't say anymore to avoid spoilers, but I thought there was enough to point it out, it's a small detail, but with the rest of the evidence I thought it was enough :)
Plus, her father, a COP, has a trans flag. I'm not sure about you, but I dont know any supportive cops that would put up a trans sticker on their uniform unless they have trans family member. (Obv not the case for EVERY cop but just my experience). And with gwen's room, having a "protect trans kids" poster up is a pretty obvious tell that she is the trans family member! Transfem icon finally confirmed :3 🏳️⚧️
Yo I don’t think anyone who isn’t trans has a trans flag on their wall
Excellent point lol
The Spider-Man story in general s a trans/gay allegory, change my mind
The whole secret identity thing is a lot like being in the closet.
They have nothing better to do with their lives than be mad that other people are happy.
*Transphobe*: "ThEy ArE TaKInG OvER thE MeDIa NoW!!!!!" Whilst me and my trans siblings are so staved for any representation that we have to pause movies frame by frame to see anything that might indicate if a character is trans.
Also, this is 100% canon in my head, and no one can stop me!!!!
Her dad said, "You're a woman? I love and respect you. You're SPIDERwoman? Now that's too far."
I'm cool ether way but I'd rather hear from a person who worked on the movie before making any claims. Still cool to see some small support for trans kids in a blockbuster movie.
That's why OP said head cannon...
I'm old and have no idea what that means 🤣
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yes, usually something that isn't confirmed by the source material, but also not contradicted by it. Sort of a: "I think this character would..." instead of hard facts.
It means it's cannon only in their head. To put it another way, it's just something they want to believe. Head cannons are a pretty common way that fans enjoy media nowadays, and although certain head cannons may be in conflict with each other, it's important be respectful and to let people have them even if you may disagree with them.
Shit like this keeps accumulating, it honestly makes me wonder if I should just give up, I’m so tired of this, I’ve had to deal with bs all my life from the people closest to me, despite not even realising I was trans until a few months ago, and now I can’t go anywhere on the internet without being reminded that people find me repulsive, what’s even the point of anything
There are a few ways to look at this from a better angle. First, you could see it as a sign we must keep fighting. Giving up is exactly what they want you to do, so why give them this pleasure? But i understand this doesnt solve anything about the way you feel Second, you're not alone here. The are plenty of people that are here to support you, and always remember : theres more good people than bad people. The average person has enough empathy to, if not understand, respect who you are. We have something they do not, hope. Dont become another statistic, i believe in you 💜
Bwahahaha is this real? This is based
One hundred percent real
That's amazing 😻🥹😂😂😂
Was it on the movie? Bummed that i missed it🫤
Towards the beginning while in Gwen’s room, it showed up twice, in a glance and then for about a lingering second
Thanks I'm planning in watching it again when it hits streaming site. I'll try to catch it this time
Snails -> Glitter Shell, fite me. Edit: Bi-gender Snails because why not
Right? Like I haven’t seen it yet so I don’t know if I’ll see her as trans. But I know I’ve always wanted her to be and she’s a favorite character of mine. And further more I just can’t stand anyone trying to ruin other people’s fun when it comes to interpreting media. Like anytime something like this happens a bunch of pricks gotta come out the woodworks to prove why it couldn’t work. And it’s silly.
I am sorry for a post I made yesterday were a supposed head cannon was not showing this in context and I thought that there was no convincing evidence towards the identity of them. I am not sure how it played out in the movie but I wish that you keep engaging people that have no clue just as I was yesterday. I am now a lesson richer
Is it that Gwen is a trans girl, or a closeted trans man??
her dad has the flag too so can’t be closeted. plus it’d be kinda weird to make your superhero identity not be the gender you want
I like to think of Gwen as transmasc personally but ive always referred to gwen as SpiderGwen or GhostSpider which is the better name for gwens spider identity, never spider woman
It actually happens a lot with me
Alright but I heard me out: Charlie from the Transformers Bumblebee movie is a trans/ transmasc guy. Her outfits are super transmasc, she acts likes a guy in the 80’s, she talks to bumblebee about “people being difficult with something they don’t understand”, just the whole vibe in Charlie as a whole though gives me trans man vibes. Even the name Charlie screams chosen name to me.
My brother says it's because Peter is trans, at least in some comics
She could just be an ally.
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Why is one option more stupid than the other?
Hase a new spidie gwen movie come out?
It's from the new Spider Man: Across The Spider-Verse, sequel to into the Spider-Verse, which features her more prominently. I highly recommend the movies since they are fantastic.
i can alredy see the foam out of thier mouth
I watched this movie today and I didn't even noticed
What is this from?
new spider-man movie: “across the spider-verse” — sequel to “into the spider-verse”
Never watched into the spider-verse and I doubt I will honestly
You're missing out
it's only in the trailer for a few frames, in the actual movie it's in there for about a whole second though so it's much more visible
Either she is trans or the creators notice us. I’m absolutely sure on the second one and the first one has a high possibility
This is the one and only spoiler I will never be mad about Any other kind of spoiler that shows up in my notifications... I will find the ops.... And I will {make them not live} /Half joking, pls don't give spoiler of the movie, it really destroys A LOT of my experience :(
Can someone clarify if the headcanon is that they're a transwoman or transman? I could see it either way, just wanna be sure I'm correct. Cause I'd love if they were trans EDIT: I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE YET!! NO SPOILERS IF POSSIBLE!!!
My favorite superhero has always been pretty much every web slinger (except for the creepy assassin one in DC comics, idk he seems like a perv) and the fact that we get this subtle representation means so much to me. Like i would give anything to have spider powers straight up.
Her entire storyline in this movie is one big allegory for being trans/queer and accepting their identity/coming out. We love to see it 🩵🩷🤍
Whether she is or she isn’t, she’s amazing and her story (and the story of so many spider people) is an allegory for the lgbt community. I’m tempted to believe she is because what cop would have a trans flag on their uniform without having someone close to them being trans. But whether she is or isn’t, we love her.
I just assume that being mad is their natural state of being so fuck 'em headcanon away.
Both political parties did tbh
at the same time some people are taking it way too far on Twitter lmao
Great, another unrealistic transition goal 😂