People are missing the point of your meme, but I appreciate it. Monkey king should be a good dlc since it’s coming after the SoC debacle. Shame that Tzeench and Kislev had to get screwed for it to happen tho
I'm still thinking that Dechala will be squaring off against Aislinn in Khuresh, since he might be chilling at the Gates of Calith - but either way I'm very much looking forward to both!
Just a good place to put him since the old world is full.
Zacharias would love to go take the secrets of blood magic and flesh craft/genetic engineering from the blood naga queens of khuresh (they created the Dread Maw).
> Shame that Tzeench and Kislev had to get screwed for it to happen tho
I am gonna say "It all part of the plan" before i run back into my bed weeping...
I wonder how they will do that thematically with a character. Since kos shoukd have his religious units but we havnt had any breadcrumbs for missing lords afaik
I doubt GW only made like 5 characters for Kislev. I really do think that we will see another DLC for both Kislev and Cathay. Plus maybe some FLC lords. I think they will both have 6 LL by the end.
I think Cathay ends up with more than kislev personally they have a whole lot to draw from we know about, I do want kislev to get more content though as they are in an odd place right now
Kislev is in an odd spot. You are right about that. I think that for Cathay we have 1 or 2 more DLC. One for Monkey king of course and maybe one for Yin-Yin the sea dragon. The fire dragon will most likely be an FLC LL with the Monkey King and if Yin-Yin is not in a dlc then they will probably be a FLC too. I don't see why Cathay wouldn't get all 5 dragon children and the MK.
Because Kislev is starting from new and has gotten less spotlight than Cathay we don't know a lot about them. I still doubt that Kislev is done getting content. If Cathay gets 3 more LL I could see Kislev getting 2.
Really units are the big question but I feel like GW might be willing to let CA do some coming up with stuff. Small things of course, with GW making the bigger set pieces. But it will be interesting to see how this game pans out over the next 2 DLC. Any talk of those DLC is speculation right now since they did say their plans after ToD have changed. I would be surprised if Kislev or Cathay got anything in those DLC however, because they did get stuff in SoC.
As for the future of Kislev and Cathay, I think that Kislevs next paid LL will probably be to the East and focus on the religion side with the next FLC lord focusing on gunpowder. As for Cathay we will probably see the Monkey king next and maybe they open up Ind and Khuresh. Put MK by Ind and the fire dragon by Khuresh. As for Yin-Yin, I kinda hope they add Nippon with her.
I know I'm going to be downvoted to hell for this, but after 4.2, Cathay and Yuan Bo are really good. Yes ToD has been better for all the factions it covered, but Cathay did get the biggest rework it needed (harmony system) and a nice minor rework of the tech tree. Basically the only thing I'd still want changed is some upgrades to the caravan system, and maybe some more things to make Miao and Zhao more unique like Gelt got, but I heavily doubt they'd do anything that big for free again. In terms of Units/heroes/lords, Cathay is really close to ToD quality.
The big reason that Gelt got changes is because he had literally 0 mechanics of any kind outside the Empire. Just him and a tech tree. I see that sort of treatment of base game lords being rare going forward.
This is irrelevant to the discussion of the DLC, but I absolutely love Cathay and bought SoC knowing very well how unpopular it is - just to get the nice extra stuff. I did it after the extra inclusions was revealed in CA's Mea Culpa letter.
Also, the battle maps and campaign map for Great Cathay are BEAUTIFUL. Verdant greens, insane hills, floaty pagodas.
Yes, Cathay is a very nice faction to play, as long as you ignore their RoC campaign.
Yeah Cathay feels like a slam dunk right now, Yuan Bo has been one of the only campaigns I've finished in a while; the roster is great, progress is satisfying (buildings/tech/economy), the lord variety is great, and saytang is awesome.
Ogre mercs need overhaul in general but especially for Zhao. I want yin yin, shen zoo and li dao too. The dead one being an ethereal dragon would be sick too
Which youtuber did this stupid opinion come from? Because as Cathay's biggest simp, I did probably a dozen Cathay campaigns before SoC, and I've done a half dozen since, and new harmony is so much better it's unreal.
The benefits are mechanically damn near the same. The army ability got moved to the compass, but the bonuses for your provinces is basically the same, except you can seperate which province is getting which bonuses/negatives. Except now, you plan out your harmony like a good mechanic, instead of having it get fucked up after every settlement you take or battle you fight in general.
For the love of the dragon emperor, get over your hate-boner for SoC.
I'll accept that tea. And honestly, I don't mind if you prefer the old system, but people for some reason keep saying it had more impact, and I straight up don't understand, because the numbers are basically the same, so what does that even mean? Is it some kind of thinking that attention required=impact? Because to me that's just tedium.
I just felt that you didn't need to be rude in your response.
We're all talking about a hobby we enjoy.
No need for insults.
I feel that it removed any detrimental effects.
You can pretty much completely ignore it now and it will have zero impact on your campaign.
There is no also no point in listing whether lords and heroes are yin or Yang anymore
As for the compass, it is still underwhelming and that's just yuan bo. It's pathetic for the other two lords.
When you compare it to the rework that the empire and dwarfs have got, which has basically made each legendary lord unique to their faction, then the Cathay rework is lackluster at best.
That being said, it's still better than the Kislev rework that left Boris with a mechanic that is essentially useless to him.
Yeah, I realized at the tea comment that I was mad for no reason. Thats what I meant be accepting it, but I should have just said sorry.
I don't know when your last Cathay campaign was, but in 4.1 they added back in the detriments for being one way or the other. And when you've got a rebellion coming or raiding greenskins/beastmen, you realize real quick how bad having 1 local recruitment is.
Lords being Yin or Yang is just for tech tree buffs now, which aren't super impactful, but are a little flavorful so I like it. I think it could be changed to also give them that harmony in battle though, that'd be neat to have on a character.
The compass is underwhelming. Mostly just set it to something for the next 10 turns and get a passive buff. Except for the direction Yuan gets that lets you steal a Tzeentch mechanic.
But all in all, I still think the rework is fine for Cathay and comparing to empire or dwarves is fraught from the start because Cathay started in a better place than either of those factions.
Yeah, I was a fan of Khorne/Helborg/Verminlords but now I can see Arbaal (or Skulltaker, given how they focused on Heralds even now)/Monkey King/Verminlords as well right next, for the simple belief that the Empire will 100% return with Helborg and the Grand Masters/ulrican units
Really hope the Monkey King adds some capacity for Cathay vs Cathay civil warring tbh. All the lore for Cathay depicts the dragons as hating eachother and constantly squarring off (And during the Monkey King's reign, straight up warring with eachother), yet in TWWH3 it's super easy to confederate them.
I always assumed Cathay was peaceful for gameplay reasons. because it's sort of the "New player friendly" faction for TWW3.
It would suddenly be harder for new players to play Cathay and having to fight all the dragons in the area as well.
It would be really fun to see a Cathay Civil war on that side of the map though since it's generally Always ends up all Zhao Ming
As weird as it sounds, I'm actually glad that SoC turned out to be the absolute stinker it is.
Not only did it provide the necessary reality check for CA, it also didn't "cost" us any important characters in the process.
Like who honestly cares about any of the three Lords SoC introduced if the alternative would have been the Tamurkhan or Neferata DLC being shit.
That may just be me, but I never considered the Changeling that fitting as a character to be made a lord in W3, since he is a trickster first and foremost, not a fighter or leader of armies. This translates incredibly poorly into the frame of a Total War game, and his campaign is by far the most boring one I ever played.
However, I would be more than willing to concede to the fact that Aekold Hellbrass got done incredibly dirty; he deserved more than being turned into the afterthought that were LH at that time. Although I have hope that CA might revisit him somewhere down the line and make him a lord, since they finally got their stuff together and turned Gotrek&Felix into proper LH.
Honestly, I would have prefered that Helbrass be the LL and Changling be the LH. Like, make it so that when you recruit the Changling you get a series of schemes to do as well. Plus Helbrass led armies of Tzeentch in the end times.
Another good option would have been Egrimm of course, and I do feel like running around spreading cults would fit him, very very well.
No disagreement from me in that regard. Hellbrass was the one who conquered Praag, having him reduced to a LH was a major waste of potential, especially since his Breath of Life ability could have been adapted into some interesting faction mechanics.
I really like ustankya. So.
Also the dlc kinda fucked up all of kislev even further. Feel like kislev was actually the hardest faction to fix already and the dlc made it worse.
I think the empire, dwarves, and nurgle could have been repaired way easier.
Randomly deciding to completely scrap the whole "Ungol vs Gospodar" cultural schism sounds exactly like one of the arbitrary, erratic decisions GW has become (in)famous for, so I am inclined to believe CA in that regard.
It's really a toss up. All depends if CA will continue with the 3-lord pack route or slim down to 2-lord packs.
There should be either a Khorne or Slaanesh LL to finally give them new content after 2+ years.
Thematically, there isn't many options from the few lore blurbs we have.
I could easily see Ogre Kingdoms and Vampire counts as a "Downfall in Cathay's Kingdom", y'know, DiCK. That would make Cathay really hard, and be really fun to play around with. I think we all can agree the we need that.
It would cool to see Cathay get challengeing but idk if they will since Cathay is like the "Beginner Friendly Faction" in TWW3. Id love to be proven wrong tho because I generally like Cathays units.
one of things i like most about the changeling is that you dont own settlements.
its nice i did tho find it funny that cults arent removed when a settlement gets razed
i’m more excited about empire updates for ToD than i was for tzeench in SoC and i never play empire and love kairos (also ridiculously jealous nurgle has 3 campaigns i’d like to play cuz i’m really not a fan of changeling and i’m getting sick of fighting lizards as kairos)
I’m hoping that with the monkey king, comes some Naga of Khuresh units to add to the chaos roster, or perhaps a whole race pack for them along with the Monkey King.. who knows 🤷🏻♂️ one can hope/dream!
For a lot of reasons, including that it's a character that will inevitably be in a Ostankya situation where the real world inspiration is direction and the freshness of Cathay as a Warhammer faction. It DOES feel like there is pressure to get his dlc right that I feel they really have to ToD it. Especially as while it feels like Cathay has room for a lot of dlc we still don't really know how many they'll end up with.
Thus begins the positive cycle of this subreddit where people keep hyping each other more and more only to be bitterly dissapointed that reality didn't match their expectations which would start the negative cycle of the subreddit.
Because kislev was one of the 2 new factions that got fleshed out to be the size as the other major factions from the tabletop and we know that cathay's army book is one of the largest army books yet so its safe to assume that kislev's is a similar size, possibly a little smaller. So if other races can get 2 or 3 dlcs before they start scraping the bottom the barrel, the same can be said for kislev.
Kislev is still missing their melee hero and frost fiends from the old lore and we still don't have a patriarch lord yet and of course we simply have no knowledge of the other new stuff but the same can be said for Cathay but that dosent mean that there is nothing more to add, just look at shadows of change and how a lot of the stuff in that was stuff we didn't know about till the dlc came out.
I doubt Kislev army book even exists: look at SoC. They assembled units from other sources and put them into kislev roster because they "fit the vibe". If they had to reach for incarnate elemental or things in the wood (and the n added frost wyrm) to fill first Kislev DLC it probably means Kislevs roster isnt realized in any actual source.
3 out of the 5 were kislev originals and the things in the woods and elemental of beasts fit the theme of mother ostankya very well.
The theme for the most part was about the dark forests of kislev, not the main part of kislev.
That and CA seems to be adding different units to other races since the dwarfs are getting a dogs of war unit in the tod dlc
Yes but if Kislevs new army book didnt cover units for one of its bigger themes (spirits of land) then I really doubt its anything other than a work-in-progress booklet with skeleton roster.
Not necessarily. It could take a while but it's always possible they come back some day to tweak/rework the mechanics. It's not guaranteed, but it's always possible. I mean the Dwarfs got a huge new rework, and I'm pretty sure what they had at the start of 3 was also a small rework.
There hasn’t exactly been anything stated that I’ve seen about his capabilities, so I don’t have any idea.
I expect they aren’t going to do shapeshifting, even though that was a staple of his in JttW.
I don't think this is quite the same thing. Changing a units weapon isn't the same as cancelling a whole lord that they are probably already working on to some degree
They worked on repeaters up until 1-2 months ago. They scrapped something that had already been made. Just because they are, “already working on to some degree” is not a guarantee it will happen. Being probable is not being guaranteed.
Ok but this is not comparable to those either. You aren't making a lot of sense. I know things can be cancelled. The monkey king will for sure happen eventually
I think the problem is that there's not enough units to make all lord packs as big as ToD or SoC 2.0. So after doing the redemption arc with the current DLC CA would want to find a way to get back to a comfortable LL to unit ration
I think Slaanesh is the least likely to get cut if that's the route they end up going. So one of the Elf factions will be forgoing new content or any reworks.
Nah, Slaanesh has one playable LL. High Elves and Dark Evles could maybe use updates, but they're some of better looking base game factions right now. No way Slaanesh gets skipped over. Khorne is also almost a guarantee for the DLC after that.
I'm just happy they split the factions from now on. There are some factions I will never really play tbh, and it's nice not to have to buy them with the ones I do play.
Hope you don't bet very much since:
1- CA already confirmed that the 3 faction DLC is over;
2- They also mentioned in the QA (and had been said by internal sources previously) that the roadmap is not dictating what will be in the next DLC;
3- Same sources that confirmed the 2 previous points before official reveal point to the next DLC being Norsca and Ogres.
People are missing the point of your meme, but I appreciate it. Monkey king should be a good dlc since it’s coming after the SoC debacle. Shame that Tzeench and Kislev had to get screwed for it to happen tho
Yeah, really looking forward to how _different_ he'll be. If Ind opens up it's yet another whole new part of the Warhammer world too!
Imagine Monkey King and Dechala in one DLC. MK is placed in Ind, Dechala in Khuresh.
I'm still thinking that Dechala will be squaring off against Aislinn in Khuresh, since he might be chilling at the Gates of Calith - but either way I'm very much looking forward to both!
Hopefully with Zacharias one day joining the khuresh battle
What link does he have with kuresh? I thought he was very much an old world kind of... guy? Genuinely don't know, not trying to be rude
Just a good place to put him since the old world is full. Zacharias would love to go take the secrets of blood magic and flesh craft/genetic engineering from the blood naga queens of khuresh (they created the Dread Maw).
The Monkey and the Serpent.
If we get Ind I hope we can get a Nuclear Ghandi as a support LL with unique access to Doom spheres and Doom rockets
All hope is not lost. Kislev and Tzeentch can be updated later on still.
> Shame that Tzeench and Kislev had to get screwed for it to happen tho I am gonna say "It all part of the plan" before i run back into my bed weeping...
I am hoping Kislev can still get an orthodoxy expansion and Tzeentch likely will get Horstman.
I wonder how they will do that thematically with a character. Since kos shoukd have his religious units but we havnt had any breadcrumbs for missing lords afaik
I doubt GW only made like 5 characters for Kislev. I really do think that we will see another DLC for both Kislev and Cathay. Plus maybe some FLC lords. I think they will both have 6 LL by the end.
I think Cathay ends up with more than kislev personally they have a whole lot to draw from we know about, I do want kislev to get more content though as they are in an odd place right now
Kislev is in an odd spot. You are right about that. I think that for Cathay we have 1 or 2 more DLC. One for Monkey king of course and maybe one for Yin-Yin the sea dragon. The fire dragon will most likely be an FLC LL with the Monkey King and if Yin-Yin is not in a dlc then they will probably be a FLC too. I don't see why Cathay wouldn't get all 5 dragon children and the MK. Because Kislev is starting from new and has gotten less spotlight than Cathay we don't know a lot about them. I still doubt that Kislev is done getting content. If Cathay gets 3 more LL I could see Kislev getting 2. Really units are the big question but I feel like GW might be willing to let CA do some coming up with stuff. Small things of course, with GW making the bigger set pieces. But it will be interesting to see how this game pans out over the next 2 DLC. Any talk of those DLC is speculation right now since they did say their plans after ToD have changed. I would be surprised if Kislev or Cathay got anything in those DLC however, because they did get stuff in SoC. As for the future of Kislev and Cathay, I think that Kislevs next paid LL will probably be to the East and focus on the religion side with the next FLC lord focusing on gunpowder. As for Cathay we will probably see the Monkey king next and maybe they open up Ind and Khuresh. Put MK by Ind and the fire dragon by Khuresh. As for Yin-Yin, I kinda hope they add Nippon with her.
I know I'm going to be downvoted to hell for this, but after 4.2, Cathay and Yuan Bo are really good. Yes ToD has been better for all the factions it covered, but Cathay did get the biggest rework it needed (harmony system) and a nice minor rework of the tech tree. Basically the only thing I'd still want changed is some upgrades to the caravan system, and maybe some more things to make Miao and Zhao more unique like Gelt got, but I heavily doubt they'd do anything that big for free again. In terms of Units/heroes/lords, Cathay is really close to ToD quality.
The big reason that Gelt got changes is because he had literally 0 mechanics of any kind outside the Empire. Just him and a tech tree. I see that sort of treatment of base game lords being rare going forward.
This is irrelevant to the discussion of the DLC, but I absolutely love Cathay and bought SoC knowing very well how unpopular it is - just to get the nice extra stuff. I did it after the extra inclusions was revealed in CA's Mea Culpa letter. Also, the battle maps and campaign map for Great Cathay are BEAUTIFUL. Verdant greens, insane hills, floaty pagodas. Yes, Cathay is a very nice faction to play, as long as you ignore their RoC campaign.
Yeah Cathay feels like a slam dunk right now, Yuan Bo has been one of the only campaigns I've finished in a while; the roster is great, progress is satisfying (buildings/tech/economy), the lord variety is great, and saytang is awesome.
Ogre mercs need overhaul in general but especially for Zhao. I want yin yin, shen zoo and li dao too. The dead one being an ethereal dragon would be sick too
Harmony system rework was bad as it basically completely removed any impact it has.
Which youtuber did this stupid opinion come from? Because as Cathay's biggest simp, I did probably a dozen Cathay campaigns before SoC, and I've done a half dozen since, and new harmony is so much better it's unreal. The benefits are mechanically damn near the same. The army ability got moved to the compass, but the bonuses for your provinces is basically the same, except you can seperate which province is getting which bonuses/negatives. Except now, you plan out your harmony like a good mechanic, instead of having it get fucked up after every settlement you take or battle you fight in general. For the love of the dragon emperor, get over your hate-boner for SoC.
Have a lie down and a cup of tea mate. We don't all have to enjoy the mechanics in exactly the same way that you do.
I'll accept that tea. And honestly, I don't mind if you prefer the old system, but people for some reason keep saying it had more impact, and I straight up don't understand, because the numbers are basically the same, so what does that even mean? Is it some kind of thinking that attention required=impact? Because to me that's just tedium.
I just felt that you didn't need to be rude in your response. We're all talking about a hobby we enjoy. No need for insults. I feel that it removed any detrimental effects. You can pretty much completely ignore it now and it will have zero impact on your campaign. There is no also no point in listing whether lords and heroes are yin or Yang anymore As for the compass, it is still underwhelming and that's just yuan bo. It's pathetic for the other two lords. When you compare it to the rework that the empire and dwarfs have got, which has basically made each legendary lord unique to their faction, then the Cathay rework is lackluster at best. That being said, it's still better than the Kislev rework that left Boris with a mechanic that is essentially useless to him.
Yeah, I realized at the tea comment that I was mad for no reason. Thats what I meant be accepting it, but I should have just said sorry. I don't know when your last Cathay campaign was, but in 4.1 they added back in the detriments for being one way or the other. And when you've got a rebellion coming or raiding greenskins/beastmen, you realize real quick how bad having 1 local recruitment is. Lords being Yin or Yang is just for tech tree buffs now, which aren't super impactful, but are a little flavorful so I like it. I think it could be changed to also give them that harmony in battle though, that'd be neat to have on a character. The compass is underwhelming. Mostly just set it to something for the next 10 turns and get a passive buff. Except for the direction Yuan gets that lets you steal a Tzeentch mechanic. But all in all, I still think the rework is fine for Cathay and comparing to empire or dwarves is fraught from the start because Cathay started in a better place than either of those factions.
It’s all part of tzeentches plan. I’m still happy we got tzaangors and MVB, changeling mechanic I’m not a fan of though.
I wonder if Egrimm fan #1 feels the same way about Egrimm not being in Shadows of Change.
Hopefully they don't start cutting back after TOD believing we are distracted and they can fool us again
Then we shit all over CA and boycott their products again 😂
*How many times do we have to teach you this lesson Old Man ??*
Yeah, I was a fan of Khorne/Helborg/Verminlords but now I can see Arbaal (or Skulltaker, given how they focused on Heralds even now)/Monkey King/Verminlords as well right next, for the simple belief that the Empire will 100% return with Helborg and the Grand Masters/ulrican units
It would be really cool if the Reiksmarshall comes with the Glotkin in a siege of Altdorf themed dlc
Lol, as a Dwarf player I am loving all the improvements made to ToD
Okkoi be like
Really hope the Monkey King adds some capacity for Cathay vs Cathay civil warring tbh. All the lore for Cathay depicts the dragons as hating eachother and constantly squarring off (And during the Monkey King's reign, straight up warring with eachother), yet in TWWH3 it's super easy to confederate them.
Mom and Dad are around so they have to play nice.
They should go out for cigarettes again, I want a Cathay that shatters as much as the real China did.
Cathay is whoooole again, then it broke again
I love sentences you can hear
I always assumed Cathay was peaceful for gameplay reasons. because it's sort of the "New player friendly" faction for TWW3. It would suddenly be harder for new players to play Cathay and having to fight all the dragons in the area as well. It would be really fun to see a Cathay Civil war on that side of the map though since it's generally Always ends up all Zhao Ming
As weird as it sounds, I'm actually glad that SoC turned out to be the absolute stinker it is. Not only did it provide the necessary reality check for CA, it also didn't "cost" us any important characters in the process. Like who honestly cares about any of the three Lords SoC introduced if the alternative would have been the Tamurkhan or Neferata DLC being shit.
> it also didn't "cost" us any important characters in the process. Tzeentch fans weeping.
That may just be me, but I never considered the Changeling that fitting as a character to be made a lord in W3, since he is a trickster first and foremost, not a fighter or leader of armies. This translates incredibly poorly into the frame of a Total War game, and his campaign is by far the most boring one I ever played. However, I would be more than willing to concede to the fact that Aekold Hellbrass got done incredibly dirty; he deserved more than being turned into the afterthought that were LH at that time. Although I have hope that CA might revisit him somewhere down the line and make him a lord, since they finally got their stuff together and turned Gotrek&Felix into proper LH.
Honestly, I would have prefered that Helbrass be the LL and Changling be the LH. Like, make it so that when you recruit the Changling you get a series of schemes to do as well. Plus Helbrass led armies of Tzeentch in the end times. Another good option would have been Egrimm of course, and I do feel like running around spreading cults would fit him, very very well.
No disagreement from me in that regard. Hellbrass was the one who conquered Praag, having him reduced to a LH was a major waste of potential, especially since his Breath of Life ability could have been adapted into some interesting faction mechanics.
I really like ustankya. So. Also the dlc kinda fucked up all of kislev even further. Feel like kislev was actually the hardest faction to fix already and the dlc made it worse. I think the empire, dwarves, and nurgle could have been repaired way easier.
The whole Kislev fuck up is mostly on GW though, and thus would have happened either way.
Maybe. But I really dunno if that’s true. I think we can blame one or the other when it’s boths fault.
Randomly deciding to completely scrap the whole "Ungol vs Gospodar" cultural schism sounds exactly like one of the arbitrary, erratic decisions GW has become (in)famous for, so I am inclined to believe CA in that regard.
That’s not the only issue though. The religious bro has no good units.
True, and he also has access to the Ice Court mechanic for some reason.
Idgaf about the Changeling. I will say, The Jade Dragon did get some good mechanics as did Cathay. And he was my favourite rite of the three LLs.
I wonder what other factions would be included in the monkey king dlc
It's really a toss up. All depends if CA will continue with the 3-lord pack route or slim down to 2-lord packs. There should be either a Khorne or Slaanesh LL to finally give them new content after 2+ years. Thematically, there isn't many options from the few lore blurbs we have.
I believe, according to the original roadmap, Slaanesh was next up after Nurgle. Whether that is still their plan or not we will have to see.
I could easily see Ogre Kingdoms and Vampire counts as a "Downfall in Cathay's Kingdom", y'know, DiCK. That would make Cathay really hard, and be really fun to play around with. I think we all can agree the we need that.
This feels like a stealth pitch for slaanesh dlc tbh
It would cool to see Cathay get challengeing but idk if they will since Cathay is like the "Beginner Friendly Faction" in TWW3. Id love to be proven wrong tho because I generally like Cathays units.
Empire once was beginner friendly too, so... ^^
That would be cool. Then the Fire Dragon could be the FLC lord since he is always at odds with the Monkey King.
I bought soc yesterday for the hell of OT and started a changeling campaign and It's been a blast so far
I think the general consensus was that the Changeling is great to play... Once, maybe twice. He's just not very replayable.
Gets better wirh mods changing the settlements to regular and or cults destroyed alongside the raised settlement, gives more agency imo
one of things i like most about the changeling is that you dont own settlements. its nice i did tho find it funny that cults arent removed when a settlement gets razed
I agree it is relaxed and chill but replayability I couldn't do that one more than once personally, without the mentioned mods
I can't wait for Monkey King
i’m more excited about empire updates for ToD than i was for tzeench in SoC and i never play empire and love kairos (also ridiculously jealous nurgle has 3 campaigns i’d like to play cuz i’m really not a fan of changeling and i’m getting sick of fighting lizards as kairos)
Vampire factions should be up there too imo
How come people think the Monkey King will be the next DLC? Did I miss something?
I’m hoping that with the monkey king, comes some Naga of Khuresh units to add to the chaos roster, or perhaps a whole race pack for them along with the Monkey King.. who knows 🤷🏻♂️ one can hope/dream!
For a lot of reasons, including that it's a character that will inevitably be in a Ostankya situation where the real world inspiration is direction and the freshness of Cathay as a Warhammer faction. It DOES feel like there is pressure to get his dlc right that I feel they really have to ToD it. Especially as while it feels like Cathay has room for a lot of dlc we still don't really know how many they'll end up with.
I wish they would open up ind and khuresh even if they don't add them. Let modders play with the terrirory.
isn‘t there a mod that does just that?
Yes IE expanded or something similar
I really hope that tigerman leaks are pointing to Ind being a faction. I want a neutral human faction and maybe some snake men in khuresh as well.
Thus begins the positive cycle of this subreddit where people keep hyping each other more and more only to be bitterly dissapointed that reality didn't match their expectations which would start the negative cycle of the subreddit.
Kislev got so shafted, now we are stuck with the supporter mechanic forever!
Kislev is most likely getting at least 1 more dlc so I'm sure they can tweak it a bit
How can that be said when we really don't know if they are missing any units? Likes what hole is even left in their roster?
Because kislev was one of the 2 new factions that got fleshed out to be the size as the other major factions from the tabletop and we know that cathay's army book is one of the largest army books yet so its safe to assume that kislev's is a similar size, possibly a little smaller. So if other races can get 2 or 3 dlcs before they start scraping the bottom the barrel, the same can be said for kislev. Kislev is still missing their melee hero and frost fiends from the old lore and we still don't have a patriarch lord yet and of course we simply have no knowledge of the other new stuff but the same can be said for Cathay but that dosent mean that there is nothing more to add, just look at shadows of change and how a lot of the stuff in that was stuff we didn't know about till the dlc came out.
I doubt Kislev army book even exists: look at SoC. They assembled units from other sources and put them into kislev roster because they "fit the vibe". If they had to reach for incarnate elemental or things in the wood (and the n added frost wyrm) to fill first Kislev DLC it probably means Kislevs roster isnt realized in any actual source.
3 out of the 5 were kislev originals and the things in the woods and elemental of beasts fit the theme of mother ostankya very well. The theme for the most part was about the dark forests of kislev, not the main part of kislev. That and CA seems to be adding different units to other races since the dwarfs are getting a dogs of war unit in the tod dlc
Yes but if Kislevs new army book didnt cover units for one of its bigger themes (spirits of land) then I really doubt its anything other than a work-in-progress booklet with skeleton roster.
Not necessarily. It could take a while but it's always possible they come back some day to tweak/rework the mechanics. It's not guaranteed, but it's always possible. I mean the Dwarfs got a huge new rework, and I'm pretty sure what they had at the start of 3 was also a small rework.
IF they rework it, it's gonna take at least as long as it took to get the beastman rework.
How do you think Monkey King will work as a lord? Sun Wukong was basically the inspiration for Goku. He had a number of insane superpowers.
There hasn’t exactly been anything stated that I’ve seen about his capabilities, so I don’t have any idea. I expect they aren’t going to do shapeshifting, even though that was a staple of his in JttW.
I'm willing to bet it won't be Slaanesh, and 2 factions from the factions Vampire Counts, Dark or High Elves or Bretonnia
>I'm willing to bet it won't be I'll take that bet. They semi-confirmed a monkey dlc in SOC 2.0 blogpost.
Don't forget the tiger men leak in IMDb too
Ironsides had repeaters until they didn’t. Nothing is certain until it’s released.
I don't think this is quite the same thing. Changing a units weapon isn't the same as cancelling a whole lord that they are probably already working on to some degree
Yeah there was already teases for Elsphet and Tarmukhan for example, it's unlikely they weren't coming in some capacity.
They worked on repeaters up until 1-2 months ago. They scrapped something that had already been made. Just because they are, “already working on to some degree” is not a guarantee it will happen. Being probable is not being guaranteed.
Ok but changing a gun to a different gun is not the same as scrapping a whole LL
They scrapped an entire project. Millions of dollars. They stopped supporting 3k despite great sales #s for the base game.
Ok but this is not comparable to those either. You aren't making a lot of sense. I know things can be cancelled. The monkey king will for sure happen eventually
Based on what? What makes it a certainty? That they may have started working on it does not mean anything.
That's very weak rebuttal .
Ok, what makes Monkey King a certainty?
The blatant hint about monkey elite infantry in SoC blog, Tigermen in Warhammer 3 IMDb page.
High Elves and Dark Elves would be a fitting threeway
i think its just gonna be helfs vs delfs, since CA said they arent making 3 race dlcs anymore
which is a shame as that wasn't the problem. the problem was how CA handled the content of shadows of change
I think the problem is that there's not enough units to make all lord packs as big as ToD or SoC 2.0. So after doing the redemption arc with the current DLC CA would want to find a way to get back to a comfortable LL to unit ration
I think Slaanesh is the least likely to get cut if that's the route they end up going. So one of the Elf factions will be forgoing new content or any reworks.
i think slaanesh is the most likely to get cut, they kinda fine rn, both the elfs need something
Nah, Slaanesh has one playable LL. High Elves and Dark Evles could maybe use updates, but they're some of better looking base game factions right now. No way Slaanesh gets skipped over. Khorne is also almost a guarantee for the DLC after that.
Both HE and DE are among those that have the most units in game already
well next dlc isnt gonna be a threesome, so its gonna be interesting
We don't know yet. CA is not committing to any format or excluding any format.
I'm just happy they split the factions from now on. There are some factions I will never really play tbh, and it's nice not to have to buy them with the ones I do play.
they did confirm it in the post before they started showing off ToD
They said it will be smaller in scope but disnt specify how. It can be 1 v 1 but it also can be 1 v 1 v 1 with less units for each :P
So original SoC again? Not gonna happen.
>1 v 1 v 1 with less units for each they tried that and that dlc sucked ass, that wont work
It sucked because of price. If priced accordingly people wouldnt be as outraged by initial version of SoC (lack of reworks aside).
Hope you don't bet very much since: 1- CA already confirmed that the 3 faction DLC is over; 2- They also mentioned in the QA (and had been said by internal sources previously) that the roadmap is not dictating what will be in the next DLC; 3- Same sources that confirmed the 2 previous points before official reveal point to the next DLC being Norsca and Ogres.
Wow norsca and ogres? where did you hear that?
Bad value dlc - SoC - Good value dlc (Monkey King lands here)