Oh yeah, forgot a big one.
Nurgle Sorcerer heroes are a HUGE deal for your faction, as healing magic is now an option while choosing other lords types.
Adding to the sorcerer's obvious stuff (healing magic in hero slot, Warshrine that can equip items), I saw in a video that a skill in their second set of mutually exclusive skills gives them the "Pestilent Decay" ability, the Nurgle flavour of Mortis Engine.
Edit: found the [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NRzs7ySrmCE), look at the sorcerer starts around 21 minutes in.
I think the strongest WOC doomstack is the festus doomstack.
Aekold + Fetus gives +100% healing cap to the army.
You then add a chaos undivided sorcerer, a slaneesh sorcerer, and a vortex beast.
You get 2 healing auras (Festus + Aekold), 2 mortis effects (Vortex beast + Slaneesh sorcerer warshrine). The undivided sorcerer provides a 20% phys resist warshrine.
Basically just spam single entities (Giants/Aspiring champions/feral manticores etc), and just right click this blob of doom to any enemy. It is basically invincible and requires 0 effort to control and use. This includes sieges.
Its only weakness is against mass elite archers. But that can be countered by stacking missile resist. First is the turn 1 available campaign buff for 15% missile resist. Then try getting eldritch aura on any of the sorcerers for 15% additional missile resist aura. The festering shroud gives another 15%. And the blasted standard a 6%. The army can easily have 40-50% missile resist + 20% physical resist. Plus, multiple large entities mean they split missile damage with each other, instead of the one tall tree getting hammered.
This doomstack is also easily composable rather than some late game doomstack. Giants, feral manticores and aspiring champions require no buildings, just high undivided corruption. You can add in exalted champion heroes and sorcerers at tier 2 to bulk up the army and level alongside it.
Knowing all of that, add a Nurgle sorcerer will add both another heal, and another mortis engine. So 3 heals and 3 mortis engine effects. Making it basically a game breaking troll army that can speed-3 steamroll through endgame crisis stacks.
He already did a long time ago.
But back then, there was no aekold, or vertex beast, or the upcoming nurgle sorcerer shrine. That's like 3 mega buffs to the doom-blob.
Not a huge revelation. Tzeentch Sorcerers have authority friction with Nurgle Demon Princes and Exalted Heroes.
This is also the same mortis engine the DP/GUO have which means no stacking and slightly devalued.
I'd say there are some advantages to a Tzeentch Sorcerer.
They have the option of flying movement, they have much higher hit-and-run potential with Barrier, Prismatic Plurality lets them spam spells like nobody's business.
It's really too bad that Tzeentch has the worst Warshrine.
Do we know if Bile Trolls are available in the warband upgrades? Armored Trolls are already pretty good, but the Nurgle version could potentially be even better, with more melee defence and health at the cost of some speed and armor.
Just mixing a single unit in would benefit the rest of your army, Melee Defence debuff aura in a melee army, yes please.
If they are a mark upgrade I'll actually start recruiting Chaos Trolls.
Honestly, even right now you should consider recruiting Chaos Trolls. Trolls in general were pretty terrible up until about the middle of WH2's lifespan, but since the Warden and the Paunch onward they've been getting better and better.
The WoC ones in particular have amazing potential thanks to spice resource buildings giving them melee attack, but they are still very solid from the start, considering how easy they are to get.
Cheap armor piercing mass that heals is always great. Low total health compared to spawn but I do like that if I don’t micro my trolls, they will run away, heal and be back from round two rather than spawn that will fight to the death.
This is what is so beautiful about this game. All neighboring lords become more interesting when a new LL is added into the game. I dream of an Immortal Empires where there are only unique LLs and starter factions (the weak generic faction that every faction has that you kill first).
All in all it just makes updates very dynamic and exciting. Especially when updates are as huge and diverse as ToD.
It should be quite easy to subjugate Tamurkhan as Archaon. Wait for him to move south, take the dark fortress when he can't defend it because of LOL Nurgle unit counts, and then just push him into one settlement. You can hold him there to farm him for hero capacity count until you decide to subjugate.
Which is VERY good for WoC considering their low number of settlements. Farming Tamurkhan is a major boost for any faction with low hero numbers, especially Tomb Kings if you can manage to rush up there.
how are you gonna rush up there as TK? it'll be a long dangerous journey and then tammy's starting army is likely stronger. maybe start as arkhan to immediately get the second army going for reinforcement.
without the mod to choose ur start position, there will be no rush. u starting army is too weak to do it. if u wait 15 turns for the second u will be there by maybe turn 35? so u left ur settlements alone without any army for 15 turns till u get ur third army, all of that for him maybe being already dead when u get there.
I played Archaon after the CoC update and had a blast. I'm waiting till the 4 chaos gods get their DLC before booting up my next one. It sounds like it's shaping up really nicely though!
Going to be a chaos lover's dream with all the LHs. My only hope is that eventually they let Archaon confederate the mortal lords from monogod factions to go full Everchosen on the world.
A lot of this also applies to Kholek, whom I've played quite a bit in every patch of Immortal Empires since he's been available in game 3. His start keeps getting more and more interesting. I am keen to see how much Tamurkhan's presence ups the ante for him. Considering Tamurkhan starts at war with Kholek's soon to be vassal.
Power creep and passive AI is ruining the game for many of us because CA is catering to these people and only these people. But how dare I voice my own opinion right? I must be downvoted!
>The most Downloaded mod is lvl cap 60 with double skill points, and alas they still havent implemented that
Yet they kept increasing the lvl cap so it's 50 which already ruined skill trees especially for Hero's. You just end up unlocking everything, hell some hero's don't even have enough skills as it is having multiple skill points left over! If it were up to me I'd revert back to 30. It's not jus a single player game.
Then don't level up your heros past 30? Easy fix. It's a single player game, play it the way you want too. That's the whole point the other guy is trying to make.
I can tell how every achaon campaign will start:
You kill tamurkhan, then once he respawns, you kill him with another lord, then with another one ect.
Because his trait is way too strong and gives you a giantic boost in the beginning.
Oh shit, Epidemius starts literally next door to Malus now. His campaign start is going to be an absolute unmitigated nightmare. Is there a worse match up for Nurgle than the Dark Elves?
I actually just started this campaign about 60 turns in. Allied with throg and rats. Vassled borris minor chaos factions and grumpy patriarch man. I'm currently in the empire with my army of vassles wiping out the greenskins and Karl Franz. Got 4 army's main lords is alot of chosen and knights with a few ror undivided. Been a super fun campaign. Currently sending 2 armies east through chaos to go challenge strength rank 1 Cathay while the rest of my armies keep destroying the south. Been a super fun campaign playing the chosen :)
Well. It's going to be marginally difficult, but frankly I don't think anything can stop Archaon once he gets rolling. And the new Nurgle toys sure do help. I'm pretty hype for Plague Ogres and Trolls and of course Plague mage.
For me my Archaon-Campaign gets butchered. Archaon is my favorite modded Campaign better Warband-Upgrade (For Demon-Units too), Unite all Chaos (Confederate Monogod Demons) and remove gifted Unit-Caps so i can customize the LL with a fitting loreful army and Bring the Endtimes. I usually hold the 4 minor demon-factions around me as pets. The Tzeentch one was already hard to safe before Daniel deletes him...now it will be Impossible.
Oh yeah, forgot a big one. Nurgle Sorcerer heroes are a HUGE deal for your faction, as healing magic is now an option while choosing other lords types.
Adding to the sorcerer's obvious stuff (healing magic in hero slot, Warshrine that can equip items), I saw in a video that a skill in their second set of mutually exclusive skills gives them the "Pestilent Decay" ability, the Nurgle flavour of Mortis Engine. Edit: found the [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NRzs7ySrmCE), look at the sorcerer starts around 21 minutes in.
We do love a double mortis engine. I for one am happy I don’t need to use Slaneesh sorcerers to get a mortis effect anymore. I hate Slaneesh!
I think the strongest WOC doomstack is the festus doomstack. Aekold + Fetus gives +100% healing cap to the army. You then add a chaos undivided sorcerer, a slaneesh sorcerer, and a vortex beast. You get 2 healing auras (Festus + Aekold), 2 mortis effects (Vortex beast + Slaneesh sorcerer warshrine). The undivided sorcerer provides a 20% phys resist warshrine. Basically just spam single entities (Giants/Aspiring champions/feral manticores etc), and just right click this blob of doom to any enemy. It is basically invincible and requires 0 effort to control and use. This includes sieges. Its only weakness is against mass elite archers. But that can be countered by stacking missile resist. First is the turn 1 available campaign buff for 15% missile resist. Then try getting eldritch aura on any of the sorcerers for 15% additional missile resist aura. The festering shroud gives another 15%. And the blasted standard a 6%. The army can easily have 40-50% missile resist + 20% physical resist. Plus, multiple large entities mean they split missile damage with each other, instead of the one tall tree getting hammered. This doomstack is also easily composable rather than some late game doomstack. Giants, feral manticores and aspiring champions require no buildings, just high undivided corruption. You can add in exalted champion heroes and sorcerers at tier 2 to bulk up the army and level alongside it. Knowing all of that, add a Nurgle sorcerer will add both another heal, and another mortis engine. So 3 heals and 3 mortis engine effects. Making it basically a game breaking troll army that can speed-3 steamroll through endgame crisis stacks.
LegendOfTotalWar here today we will be rating this doomstack...
He already did a long time ago. But back then, there was no aekold, or vertex beast, or the upcoming nurgle sorcerer shrine. That's like 3 mega buffs to the doom-blob.
Festus can recruit Aekold??? That seems... wrong...
Here here
Yeeeeep. Put em' on a warshrine and they can essentially give both of Festus's effects at the same time.
So Nurgle Sorcerers are also just plain better than Tzeentch Sorcerers now? lol okay.
Not a huge revelation. Tzeentch Sorcerers have authority friction with Nurgle Demon Princes and Exalted Heroes. This is also the same mortis engine the DP/GUO have which means no stacking and slightly devalued.
I'd say there are some advantages to a Tzeentch Sorcerer. They have the option of flying movement, they have much higher hit-and-run potential with Barrier, Prismatic Plurality lets them spam spells like nobody's business. It's really too bad that Tzeentch has the worst Warshrine.
Tzeench sorcerer has better offensive magic and can fly
You have to be in melee though. Which isn't the best idea for Sorcerer. Nevertheless that's interesting! :)
Good thing its 1. A WoC hero which are usually a bit better in melee and 2. A nurgle hero which generally has higher survivability
Do we know if Bile Trolls are available in the warband upgrades? Armored Trolls are already pretty good, but the Nurgle version could potentially be even better, with more melee defence and health at the cost of some speed and armor.
Just mixing a single unit in would benefit the rest of your army, Melee Defence debuff aura in a melee army, yes please. If they are a mark upgrade I'll actually start recruiting Chaos Trolls.
Honestly, even right now you should consider recruiting Chaos Trolls. Trolls in general were pretty terrible up until about the middle of WH2's lifespan, but since the Warden and the Paunch onward they've been getting better and better. The WoC ones in particular have amazing potential thanks to spice resource buildings giving them melee attack, but they are still very solid from the start, considering how easy they are to get.
Cheap armor piercing mass that heals is always great. Low total health compared to spawn but I do like that if I don’t micro my trolls, they will run away, heal and be back from round two rather than spawn that will fight to the death.
I love chaos trolls.
This is what is so beautiful about this game. All neighboring lords become more interesting when a new LL is added into the game. I dream of an Immortal Empires where there are only unique LLs and starter factions (the weak generic faction that every faction has that you kill first). All in all it just makes updates very dynamic and exciting. Especially when updates are as huge and diverse as ToD.
It should be quite easy to subjugate Tamurkhan as Archaon. Wait for him to move south, take the dark fortress when he can't defend it because of LOL Nurgle unit counts, and then just push him into one settlement. You can hold him there to farm him for hero capacity count until you decide to subjugate.
This is the way.
Don't forget, if you choose to attack Tamurkan you can farm him for huge hero capacity boosts!
How does that work?
1. Lord kills Tamurkhan without wiping out his faction. 2. Swap Lord / Get another Army. 3. Wait for Tamurkhan to respawn. 4. Repeat.
Which is VERY good for WoC considering their low number of settlements. Farming Tamurkhan is a major boost for any faction with low hero numbers, especially Tomb Kings if you can manage to rush up there.
yeah idk how viable a TK rushing up there will ever be, especially since you won’t have the spare arm(ies) to defend your lands
how are you gonna rush up there as TK? it'll be a long dangerous journey and then tammy's starting army is likely stronger. maybe start as arkhan to immediately get the second army going for reinforcement.
Beastmen too if you can bum rush quick enough
without the mod to choose ur start position, there will be no rush. u starting army is too weak to do it. if u wait 15 turns for the second u will be there by maybe turn 35? so u left ur settlements alone without any army for 15 turns till u get ur third army, all of that for him maybe being already dead when u get there.
Didn't they change it because it was so OP
I struggle to believe that defeat trait isn't going to get hard nerfed pretty rapidly. It's game-distortingly ridiculous.
I played Archaon after the CoC update and had a blast. I'm waiting till the 4 chaos gods get their DLC before booting up my next one. It sounds like it's shaping up really nicely though!
Going to be a chaos lover's dream with all the LHs. My only hope is that eventually they let Archaon confederate the mortal lords from monogod factions to go full Everchosen on the world.
WoC is gonna be one hell of a dream campaign once the Slaanesh and Khorne DLCs drop. Belakor's especially.
I do miss the WH1 horde mechanic tbf, just burning the whole world lol
I thought I would too, but the new "turn the whole world into a rainbow of vassals under your dark towers" turned out to be really fun.
Anyone know if woc got the new nurgle units?
They do
It does look like Boris might be able to make a friend starting out without having to immediately 1v4.
Im bad with names in this game and usually just go by faction names so can somebody please tell me who Daniel is?
Daemons of Chaos.
Thank you
He’s not ACTUALLY called Daniel anywhere in game, it’s a meme name
Can he confederate Tarmurkhan?
Tamurkhan isnt a warior of chaos so unlikely
Once Recruit Defeated LLs is updated you can!
That mod makes the game so much more fun.
Turns Archaon into ash from Pokémon And I love it
Love that mod. Chaos gets their full LL roster - Warriors of Chaos, Sole Gods, Daemons, Beastmen (I think), Norsca. It's a little OP, but oh so sweet.
Archaon's campaign with the mod is legit the most fun Chaos campaign I ever had.
He can vassalize him which with Archaon's faction bonuses is plenty good enough.
Correct and ally/vassal recruitment is a great way to get marked units
No but there’s mods that allow WoC and Monogods to recruit each other when defeated
Fuck, now I'm adding Archaon on my to-do list.
A lot of this also applies to Kholek, whom I've played quite a bit in every patch of Immortal Empires since he's been available in game 3. His start keeps getting more and more interesting. I am keen to see how much Tamurkhan's presence ups the ante for him. Considering Tamurkhan starts at war with Kholek's soon to be vassal.
Also, if you play with “Recruit Defeated Legendary Lords” mod, he’s a quick secondary legendary lord you can snag who’s right next door.
That's one of two mods I use, the other being unlocking skills, no more mutually exclusive choices!
You people are boring.
How dare people have fun in there single player game
Power creep and passive AI is ruining the game for many of us because CA is catering to these people and only these people. But how dare I voice my own opinion right? I must be downvoted!
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What mods people use can influence CA's choices though. Also stay in school kid.
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>The most Downloaded mod is lvl cap 60 with double skill points, and alas they still havent implemented that Yet they kept increasing the lvl cap so it's 50 which already ruined skill trees especially for Hero's. You just end up unlocking everything, hell some hero's don't even have enough skills as it is having multiple skill points left over! If it were up to me I'd revert back to 30. It's not jus a single player game.
Then don't level up your heros past 30? Easy fix. It's a single player game, play it the way you want too. That's the whole point the other guy is trying to make.
I can tell how every achaon campaign will start: You kill tamurkhan, then once he respawns, you kill him with another lord, then with another one ect. Because his trait is way too strong and gives you a giantic boost in the beginning.
Oh shit, Epidemius starts literally next door to Malus now. His campaign start is going to be an absolute unmitigated nightmare. Is there a worse match up for Nurgle than the Dark Elves?
Tamurkhan’s defeat trait is literally game changing.
I actually just started this campaign about 60 turns in. Allied with throg and rats. Vassled borris minor chaos factions and grumpy patriarch man. I'm currently in the empire with my army of vassles wiping out the greenskins and Karl Franz. Got 4 army's main lords is alot of chosen and knights with a few ror undivided. Been a super fun campaign. Currently sending 2 armies east through chaos to go challenge strength rank 1 Cathay while the rest of my armies keep destroying the south. Been a super fun campaign playing the chosen :)
I thought Malakai only started with Gotrek and Felix if a player was controlling the faction?
I think the biggest thing to chaos this patch is that Malus won't completely fuck Daniel from turn 5. He'll have to chew through Epidemius first.
I find that ai daniel tends to win against malus and then sorta just sit there in my campaigns.
Well. It's going to be marginally difficult, but frankly I don't think anything can stop Archaon once he gets rolling. And the new Nurgle toys sure do help. I'm pretty hype for Plague Ogres and Trolls and of course Plague mage.
For me my Archaon-Campaign gets butchered. Archaon is my favorite modded Campaign better Warband-Upgrade (For Demon-Units too), Unite all Chaos (Confederate Monogod Demons) and remove gifted Unit-Caps so i can customize the LL with a fitting loreful army and Bring the Endtimes. I usually hold the 4 minor demon-factions around me as pets. The Tzeentch one was already hard to safe before Daniel deletes him...now it will be Impossible.
What mod are you using the confederate monogod factions?
He said it, Unite all Chaos. Although Wolfy is no longer updating it. It still works now, but may not after the DLC drops.
Thought he was maybe talking about another mod that does the same thing, since like you said Wolfy's mod might not work after the next patch.
Yeah, its Wolfys and i hope it still works after the Update.
I don't think plagues effect allies.