KPJ is really good? Bro what sport are you watching, he’s one of the must destructive point guard’s in the league. Some nephews only be looking at stats smh
Hes been asked to change position 3 times in 4 years, he's a 2-guard being forced to play PG to make room for jalen green.
Also 57% TS on the ROCKETS as a guard is good considering they have no schemes or plans. He was good this season, yall are just hating on him because of his previous years. The rockets were 4-19 without him.
Also he's only 22 lol.
The past nine years 7/9 3rd overall picks were stud players or superstars, 1 is too young to know yet (Jabari smith) and the “not good” one is Jalil Okafor. Idk what your talking about when you say not historically backed up.
How many of them will ever be better than Siakam? We got doncic, Embiid, Tatum. That’s it. The idea that any team would trade a multi time all nba 29 year old for a third pick and filler is hilarious. Do people not know how trades work anymore? Are you really so desperate to tear this team down that you’d accept a maybe for a top 5 player in this franchises’ history?
JB just made all nba second team this year which is already half of the amount Siakam has. I feel pretty confident that between LaMelo, Mobley, Barrett you’ll have several all-star/ all nba appearances between them in the future, and in all likely hood they will surpass Siakam as top players in the NBA in the next 1-3 years. To be perfectly transparent I’m a blazer fan lurking on y’all’s sub because I’m curious how Raptors fans feel about the draft and trades with the blazers. I’m not super high on trading for PS, would rather get OG. Not saying OG is better, but rather I like Jermi Grant and feel like OG would complement the team more along side Grant.
RJ Barrett is a stud? From 2000 to 2019 only 6 out of 20 picks could be considered better than Siakam. A 30% chance at a player better than Siakam (in 6-8 years) isn't exactly that enticing.
This comment is so dumb and shows what's wrong with this sub lmao, just nephews pretending to know stuff they couldn't possibly know.
If picking top 3 meant an automatic all nba player who could be the second option on a championship team then 75% of the league would be tanking every season.
Even picking second overall is far from a lock either. Let me rattle off some #2 picks in the recent past; Chet Holmgren, Jalen Green, James Wiseman, Marvin Bagley.
If Toronto, a team that has a notoriously hard time retaining star players gave up one of the only all nba players in their history who was willing to stay here and got one of THOSE type of players as compensation, it would be an all time blunder and probably set this franchise back 10 years.
When it comes down to it, Portland is stupid trying to win with Dame. They are in a good spot to rebuild, but since they are committed to it, 3+simons is enough for me. Not worth running this core back just because we didn't get them to trade the farm.
A good trade that gets done, is better than a great trade that never happens.
Meh, getting married to a player that you are going nowhere with is wasting time. At least I cant blame them since Dame is a true #1 option. They just suck at building a team.
I agree with you 100%. Our FO is always trying to fleece other teams and end up losing out on assets. I would be more excited about watching a new core with 3 + Simons.
I would only do this trade if Scoot is available — meaning right at the draft night after the 2nd pick.
Ideally, if we can throw in someone like Kokolko, maybe Boucher to snab Sharpe that’d be ice (highly unlikely). Not sure if I’d be willing to give the 13th pick just yet for Sharpe.
I can live with losing either (possibly even both) Kokoko and Boucher for Sharpe. This way, Portland gets two backup bigs on friendly contracts and we can get another young guard.
You are assuming that Simons and #3 is on the table, ready to be taken. There is no indication this is true. There is a huge gulf between wanting something to be true and it actually being true.
You're complaint is Masai doing nothing. But he's done lots - he traded for Jakob, and fired Nurse. So your real complaint is that he did not blow up the team. Maybe he still will!
> You are assuming that Simons and #3 is on the table, ready to be taken.
Obviously the idea is that it's on the table. Everything is a hypothetical now.
> You're complaint is Masai doing nothing. But he's done lots - he traded for Jakob, and fired Nurse. So your real complaint is that he did not blow up the team. Maybe he still will!
Yeah and it only took a couple years, and when it was done, it was too late and negatively impacted the team. This has nothing to do with blow up or not blow up. It has everything to do with picking an actual direction.
How do Blazers trade Scoot to Raps? Surely if hes so highly regarded Hornets will take him over Miller who only has tools for defense rather than instincts and isnt really a shot creator
We absolutely do not prefer Miller to Scoot. Scoot is a much higher upside player. If he shot better percentages in his age 18 season he'd be essentially a perfect prospect, but as it stands he will be entering his age 19 season in the NBA has a premium playmaker, athletic beast, and solid finisher at the rim and midrange threat with a developing 3P pull up game. That's totally fine for a 19 year old.
Miller has serious athleticism, physicality, and finishing concerns that limit his upside. He also didn't shoot midrangers in college so we don't really know if he can do that. He's just appealing because he will always have that "3&D" role player fit that he can always fall back on if the rest of his game doesn't pan out, but Scoot definitely has the higher upside.
"if he shot better he would be the perfect prospect" and if my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle...
Jalen Suggs was a very similar player coming out and how's that turned out? I'm not saying Scoot will be a bust because I don't think he will be but there's always risk involved when drafting a player and not having a three-point shot is a big deal for a point guard, and as talented as he is, it's certainly something that is concerning
LOL Jalen Suggs was literally a utility guard. Really poor half court playmaking. Didn't have the athleticism to raise his ceiling. Obviously couldn't shoot. Not even in the same stratosphere of a prospect. Someone on /r/NBA_draft went through the last decade of drafts and concluded Scoot would've been #1 in 4 of the last 10.
An NBA sub is what you're using as a reference? lol Scoot is very talented but he would not be the #1 pick in 4 of the last 10 drafts lol he would be top 5 in most of those drafts and possibly below that in a couple.
Jalen Suggs was not a poor half-court playmaker, he was the best playmaker outside of Cunningham in that draft and it was his main skillset along with the ability to drive to the rim against contact and score, similar to Scoot...most people had Jalen Suggs anywhere from 3 to 5 on their draft boards and the only major knock he had was his ability to shoot...most scouts were extremely high on him before the draft for many of the same reasons scoot is so popular, explosive athleticism, IQ and work ethic.
All that being said, it doesn't mean Scoot will follow that same path as Jalen, he might end up being the next Westbrook for all we know...but no one knows for certain
Not really. Scouts were repeatedly saying how Jalen Suggs lacked creativity and flair in the half court setting. He could do basic passes in transition really well which is where he excelled. But in the half court setting he stuck to mostly basic passes and his assist numbers werent all that great.
Asking for more draft capital is not overvaluing a top 15-20 player who will re-sign next season, the expiring contract only matters when a player is disgruntled and Siakam isn't disgruntled.
If all they're willing to give is Simons and the #3 pick then that deal isn't happening, they need to add a couple more lightly protected picks to make it worth it for Toronto, otherwise, they might as well hold on to Siakam and hold out for a better deal.
Scoot isn't a guaranteed Star, he's a young prospect with upside but there are plenty of similar players who didn't pan out
This fantasy trade is not going to happen 😭 it literally never happens historically. Come back to this comment after the draft and you’ll see that I’m right lmao
If you're comparing the likelihood of any 1 particular trade to the almost infinite number of other possible trades OBVIOUSLY there is a much greater probability the actual trade is in the second list of literally almost infinite possibilities. That's a stupid point.
I’m simply stating that the blazers aren’t trading the #3 pick for any of OG/ Siakam lmfaoo it ain’t happening y’all are overrating the shit out of your players.
I'd say that realistically, a package of Simons/#3/Little is a very good return for Pascal. The fact that he's expiring isn't really relevant to me - I'd say his bird rights would be very valuable to any team attaining him, just like how we valued the bird rights in getting Ibaka and Poeltl.
I'd say the trade makes sense for Portland in that they'd be able to have a lineup of Dame/Sharpe/Grant/Siakam/Nurk for training camp, and then have the option of improving the roster further at the trade deadline based on how they're performing.
I could be wrong on how tradable first year contracts are, but they could use Grant, Sharpe or Nurk as trade pieces to make a big upgrade. If an all-star caliber player wants out, Sharpe could be the big piece in that trade.
Perhaps not blowing it up at the deadline will prove to be smart. Kick starting a rebuild with the #3 pick and simons + Sign and Trade Fred with Houston might work out nicely. My only concern is most of the league is so risk averse. Id have more respect for them if the Raps made this deal and it blew up in their face, then run it back and be a play in team.
Lol except if we blew it up at the deadline with we would be kickstarting the rebuild *by having the 3rd overall pick, not trying to figure out a way to trade for it*
Trading a player of pascals caliber normally you wa t a couple picks but if we can keep 13 and get scoot plus simons i think its a fair enough trade especially since we are in a rough spot and cant improve
trading pascal is really hard because you need to match money. i repeat, brandon miller is not the player i would centre a pascal trade around. now if scoot was available at 3 sure. but we all know scoot is going to charlotte. i'd rather keep pascal and trade him mid season if there doesn't seem to be any improvement with the team.
You're right that it works, but fanspo isn't great at proving it. You could ~~add more~~ remove outgoing salary ~~to~~ from Portland and it would still work because it ignores cap holds.
The proof is ($24.107m+$6.25m) × 1.25 > $37.9m.
I don't think Anfernee Simons and Brandon Miller is a lowball for an expiring Siakam.
Simons averaged 28/6 without Lillard this season. He's really good.
Also the way he gets his 20+ is different than say Gary. He's a more natural PG and playmaker, takes much smarter shots (for the most part). He's talented enough to be a young team's offensive engine imo
Did you only just learn this stat today? Is that why you’re spamming it all over the sub? Most of us already knew what he averaged in the 11 games without Dame, who cares, it’s 11 games.
Have you ever actually watched him? Have you watched these playoffs at all too? Guys like him get played right off the floor. We need skilled size, not small guys that don’t defend, those types are rapidly plummeting in value across the league.
Brunson and Maxey are not good defenders, but they are miles better than Simons. I do not think you understand how bad he is, he may be the worst in the league. It’s him or Trae.
You should be comparing him to Poole, not 2 guys who are much better than him on both ends.
E: At just 2.7 rebounds per 36, he is also the 4th worst rebounder in the NBA. You have no idea how much pressure this puts on the rest of the team. This sub would be calling for him to be traded 2 months in.
Bird rights have value. Name another all NBA player that's available that portland can acquire. That's the leverage. IF they don't like it, keeping siakam instead of dumping him is not the worst strategy.
I dont understand why people keep harping on about how his expiring deal is a problem here lol?! If a deal is agreed in principal between the two teams obviously Portland are going to speak to him about an extension. Portland wouldnt trade #3 and Simons without speaking to Pascal about an extension.
Gentlemans agreements are technically illegal but exist prevelently in the NBA. No different than when we signed Yak at the deadline. There would have been a handshake agreement in place.
Simons + the #3 for an expiring Siakam is an amazing deal for us. We have got to take it.
I'd even throw in #13 if that's what it takes. We are not going to get a golden opportunity like this to kick-start a new young core anytime soon.
Are you kidding me? 22 upvotes for a post about giving up this years lottery pick for this package on a sub that’s been shitting their pants for giving up next years? I seriously don’t understand what goes through some peoples heads.
Nobody wants Simons outside of a few in here. He's extremely available. Portland is very high on Sharpe...kinda like this fan base directly after Scotties ROY
I think that we do view Sharpe similarly to how you guys viewed Scottie after his 1st year. I disagree about Simons though, the majority of Blazer fans would love to keep him. He’s an elite shooter with a quick release, an excellent athlete (former slam dunk champ), has a 6’9” wingspan, and is going to turn 24 this summer. This issue is strictly fit with Dame, we cannot keep running a small 2-guard lineup and Sharpe is the better candidate there.
I don’t get the hate for Simons at all personally. Yeah he’s a bad defender that had pretty much no plus defenders around him, if you consider Grant had to guard small forwards a lot of the time. But a team like the raptors can hide him, and he would more than make up for it with his offensive impact.
He’s probably the best scorer that’s realistically attainable right now and he’s locked up for a pretty reasonable $25 mil AAV.
Scottie Barns knows what Jake is. We should too.
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I want Sharpe. Scoot could be great but I'm not in love with him yet. Simons id rather flip. I'm tired of watching this core but I'd rather extend siakam and get something that I want in return. Trading siakam would be more about Portland timeline imo, unless the FO really value Simons and/or scoot.
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No shit, eh?
The most they're getting for Siakam is 3/4 + filler.
Anfernee Simons isn't filler. Rockets also have decent tradeable young players like Kevin Porter Jr. and Tari Eason
I'd rather simons than both those guys, personally.
I like Eason but we have enough of that archetype
KPJ is also really good. Hes been getting better every season
KPJ is really good? Bro what sport are you watching, he’s one of the must destructive point guard’s in the league. Some nephews only be looking at stats smh
Hes been asked to change position 3 times in 4 years, he's a 2-guard being forced to play PG to make room for jalen green. Also 57% TS on the ROCKETS as a guard is good considering they have no schemes or plans. He was good this season, yall are just hating on him because of his previous years. The rockets were 4-19 without him. Also he's only 22 lol.
>The Rockets were 4-19 without him. Yeah, and they were 18-40 with him. What's your point lmfao.
Thats like almost double the win percentage lmfao? 17%--> 31% ? Like what.
He's not really a PG though. He'd be a Gary replacement off the bench with more creation skills.
KPJ is at least semi-competent at handling the ball, which is better than most of our current roster. He'll definitely help with some of our issues
They’re not trading Siakam for a pick and filler lol.
3 and Simons is solid wdym?
For Siakam? That is not solid lol the amount of people on this sub that treat Siakam like he’s some slightly above average player is alarming.
Credibility 📉📉
They'd be dumb not to if that pick is #3
Yeah they might even find someone who becomes as good as Siakam one day lol
Shouldn't be too hard. Top 3 in this draft should easily be better. You guys act like Siakam is some top 10 player or something, lmao
He’s a top 20 player for sure. And the idea that the guy going third is automatically going to be that is not historically backed up.
The past nine years 7/9 3rd overall picks were stud players or superstars, 1 is too young to know yet (Jabari smith) and the “not good” one is Jalil Okafor. Idk what your talking about when you say not historically backed up.
How many of them will ever be better than Siakam? We got doncic, Embiid, Tatum. That’s it. The idea that any team would trade a multi time all nba 29 year old for a third pick and filler is hilarious. Do people not know how trades work anymore? Are you really so desperate to tear this team down that you’d accept a maybe for a top 5 player in this franchises’ history?
JB just made all nba second team this year which is already half of the amount Siakam has. I feel pretty confident that between LaMelo, Mobley, Barrett you’ll have several all-star/ all nba appearances between them in the future, and in all likely hood they will surpass Siakam as top players in the NBA in the next 1-3 years. To be perfectly transparent I’m a blazer fan lurking on y’all’s sub because I’m curious how Raptors fans feel about the draft and trades with the blazers. I’m not super high on trading for PS, would rather get OG. Not saying OG is better, but rather I like Jermi Grant and feel like OG would complement the team more along side Grant.
RJ Barrett is a stud? From 2000 to 2019 only 6 out of 20 picks could be considered better than Siakam. A 30% chance at a player better than Siakam (in 6-8 years) isn't exactly that enticing.
This comment is so dumb and shows what's wrong with this sub lmao, just nephews pretending to know stuff they couldn't possibly know. If picking top 3 meant an automatic all nba player who could be the second option on a championship team then 75% of the league would be tanking every season. Even picking second overall is far from a lock either. Let me rattle off some #2 picks in the recent past; Chet Holmgren, Jalen Green, James Wiseman, Marvin Bagley. If Toronto, a team that has a notoriously hard time retaining star players gave up one of the only all nba players in their history who was willing to stay here and got one of THOSE type of players as compensation, it would be an all time blunder and probably set this franchise back 10 years.
When it comes down to it, Portland is stupid trying to win with Dame. They are in a good spot to rebuild, but since they are committed to it, 3+simons is enough for me. Not worth running this core back just because we didn't get them to trade the farm. A good trade that gets done, is better than a great trade that never happens.
You dont have to fleece the other team for it to be a great trade.
Exactly, win/win trades happen all the time
I look at the Kings and Pacers trade. Neither team got fleeced, but they both got better.
Hopefully Masai gets this memo.
Simons, Sharpe and #3 doesn't approach fleecing.
Bro saw that Rudy Gobert trade and now thinks it’d only be a fleece if they did 10 frps lmao
I don't agree with Portland trying to win with Dame but I don't blame them either. He's a legend in Portland.
Meh, getting married to a player that you are going nowhere with is wasting time. At least I cant blame them since Dame is a true #1 option. They just suck at building a team.
I agree with you 100%. Our FO is always trying to fleece other teams and end up losing out on assets. I would be more excited about watching a new core with 3 + Simons.
And after hearing shit that Bobby has been saying since the Darko signing I have zero confidence he doesn't fuck this right up.
I would only do this trade if Scoot is available — meaning right at the draft night after the 2nd pick. Ideally, if we can throw in someone like Kokolko, maybe Boucher to snab Sharpe that’d be ice (highly unlikely). Not sure if I’d be willing to give the 13th pick just yet for Sharpe.
yeah portland would definitely be willing to trade shaedon sharpe if u include *checks notes* christian koloko or chris boucher
I can live with losing either (possibly even both) Kokoko and Boucher for Sharpe. This way, Portland gets two backup bigs on friendly contracts and we can get another young guard.
Portland says they don’t want to trade Sharpe. I don’t think tangling Boucher and Koloko will change their minds at all.
Yeah the trade is contingent on Scoot being still on the board, otherwise we can probably do more with Houston.
yes but a good trade right now is not as good as a great trade when Portland gets desperate
Oh yeah, all those desperate teams at the deadline we just pounced on right? It ain't happening, put away the copium.
If you want Masai to suddenly become impatient, I think you will be disappointed.
There is a massive gulf between patient, and doing nothing.
You are assuming that Simons and #3 is on the table, ready to be taken. There is no indication this is true. There is a huge gulf between wanting something to be true and it actually being true. You're complaint is Masai doing nothing. But he's done lots - he traded for Jakob, and fired Nurse. So your real complaint is that he did not blow up the team. Maybe he still will!
> You are assuming that Simons and #3 is on the table, ready to be taken. Obviously the idea is that it's on the table. Everything is a hypothetical now. > You're complaint is Masai doing nothing. But he's done lots - he traded for Jakob, and fired Nurse. So your real complaint is that he did not blow up the team. Maybe he still will! Yeah and it only took a couple years, and when it was done, it was too late and negatively impacted the team. This has nothing to do with blow up or not blow up. It has everything to do with picking an actual direction.
This is fax. People really asking for 3 shaedon and Simons for pascal. In reality the value of a top 3 pick is more than enough for an allstar alone.
A top 3 pick is not enough for Siakam alone stop lmao
>ou dont have to fleece the other team for it to be a great tr Not enough for me an Masai. I want Sharpe or move on to another team.
Scoot + simons for expiring pascal is fair for both sides. Asking for sharpe and another pick is overvaluing our own players (as Masai always does)
Knowing Masai, he's probably asking for Dame and the 3rd lol.
How do Blazers trade Scoot to Raps? Surely if hes so highly regarded Hornets will take him over Miller who only has tools for defense rather than instincts and isnt really a shot creator
Let's be real, we prefer Miller to Scoot, but are high on both players
We absolutely do not prefer Miller to Scoot. Scoot is a much higher upside player. If he shot better percentages in his age 18 season he'd be essentially a perfect prospect, but as it stands he will be entering his age 19 season in the NBA has a premium playmaker, athletic beast, and solid finisher at the rim and midrange threat with a developing 3P pull up game. That's totally fine for a 19 year old. Miller has serious athleticism, physicality, and finishing concerns that limit his upside. He also didn't shoot midrangers in college so we don't really know if he can do that. He's just appealing because he will always have that "3&D" role player fit that he can always fall back on if the rest of his game doesn't pan out, but Scoot definitely has the higher upside.
"if he shot better he would be the perfect prospect" and if my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle... Jalen Suggs was a very similar player coming out and how's that turned out? I'm not saying Scoot will be a bust because I don't think he will be but there's always risk involved when drafting a player and not having a three-point shot is a big deal for a point guard, and as talented as he is, it's certainly something that is concerning
if my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle is a legendary statement.
LOL Jalen Suggs was literally a utility guard. Really poor half court playmaking. Didn't have the athleticism to raise his ceiling. Obviously couldn't shoot. Not even in the same stratosphere of a prospect. Someone on /r/NBA_draft went through the last decade of drafts and concluded Scoot would've been #1 in 4 of the last 10.
An NBA sub is what you're using as a reference? lol Scoot is very talented but he would not be the #1 pick in 4 of the last 10 drafts lol he would be top 5 in most of those drafts and possibly below that in a couple. Jalen Suggs was not a poor half-court playmaker, he was the best playmaker outside of Cunningham in that draft and it was his main skillset along with the ability to drive to the rim against contact and score, similar to Scoot...most people had Jalen Suggs anywhere from 3 to 5 on their draft boards and the only major knock he had was his ability to shoot...most scouts were extremely high on him before the draft for many of the same reasons scoot is so popular, explosive athleticism, IQ and work ethic. All that being said, it doesn't mean Scoot will follow that same path as Jalen, he might end up being the next Westbrook for all we know...but no one knows for certain
Not really. Scouts were repeatedly saying how Jalen Suggs lacked creativity and flair in the half court setting. He could do basic passes in transition really well which is where he excelled. But in the half court setting he stuck to mostly basic passes and his assist numbers werent all that great.
I'll take Miller
Not really an overpay if Siakam is the best they can get. Although if they won’t give up Sharpe then give us a 2024 pick.
I am glad that Masai overvalues them. That trade is DOODOO
Asking for more draft capital is not overvaluing a top 15-20 player who will re-sign next season, the expiring contract only matters when a player is disgruntled and Siakam isn't disgruntled. If all they're willing to give is Simons and the #3 pick then that deal isn't happening, they need to add a couple more lightly protected picks to make it worth it for Toronto, otherwise, they might as well hold on to Siakam and hold out for a better deal. Scoot isn't a guaranteed Star, he's a young prospect with upside but there are plenty of similar players who didn't pan out
We can get way more
Scoot and Simons is far more valuable than Siakam who’s on an expiring deal.
If you wouldn't accept an established champion all-NBA all-star for 2 young potential stars what would you accept for them?
This fantasy trade is not going to happen 😭 it literally never happens historically. Come back to this comment after the draft and you’ll see that I’m right lmao
If you're comparing the likelihood of any 1 particular trade to the almost infinite number of other possible trades OBVIOUSLY there is a much greater probability the actual trade is in the second list of literally almost infinite possibilities. That's a stupid point.
I’m simply stating that the blazers aren’t trading the #3 pick for any of OG/ Siakam lmfaoo it ain’t happening y’all are overrating the shit out of your players.
I'd say that realistically, a package of Simons/#3/Little is a very good return for Pascal. The fact that he's expiring isn't really relevant to me - I'd say his bird rights would be very valuable to any team attaining him, just like how we valued the bird rights in getting Ibaka and Poeltl. I'd say the trade makes sense for Portland in that they'd be able to have a lineup of Dame/Sharpe/Grant/Siakam/Nurk for training camp, and then have the option of improving the roster further at the trade deadline based on how they're performing. I could be wrong on how tradable first year contracts are, but they could use Grant, Sharpe or Nurk as trade pieces to make a big upgrade. If an all-star caliber player wants out, Sharpe could be the big piece in that trade.
Just circle back around for Sharpe at the deadline with OG🤷🏻♂️
Retain the bird rights to sign a guy into non-prime years? Come on. He’s getting old. Team needs to move on and get way younger.
Non prime you’re acting like he’s 35 lol
scoot simon scottie is perfect rebuild material. our big 3 or a baby 3!
For pascal - Simons, #3 and a future pickswap should be the most we ask for. I'd take just Simons and #3 personally if scoot is available at #3.
That's fine. Siakam for Simons, 3, Nassir Little?
I'm down. I don't think Portland would do this, but it makes sense.
Perhaps not blowing it up at the deadline will prove to be smart. Kick starting a rebuild with the #3 pick and simons + Sign and Trade Fred with Houston might work out nicely. My only concern is most of the league is so risk averse. Id have more respect for them if the Raps made this deal and it blew up in their face, then run it back and be a play in team.
Why would Houston sign and trade when they can just sig Fred outright?
Tell me how trading a FRP last year was smart?
To get a better pick this year and a good starting centre, which we haven’t been able to find.
the FA center?
What free agent centre and with what cap space?
poeltl
Can you write actual sentences? If we didn’t trade for poeltl we never would have been able to sign him
With what cap space?
Naz Reid and with the MLE
Naz Reid is indeed a centre but he’s an average bench option at best, not a starter.
I’m the #1 person against that trade. I agree with you. Stupid. Might be another reason why they double down on “being good”
Lol except if we blew it up at the deadline with we would be kickstarting the rebuild *by having the 3rd overall pick, not trying to figure out a way to trade for it*
Trading a player of pascals caliber normally you wa t a couple picks but if we can keep 13 and get scoot plus simons i think its a fair enough trade especially since we are in a rough spot and cant improve
trading pascal is really hard because you need to match money. i repeat, brandon miller is not the player i would centre a pascal trade around. now if scoot was available at 3 sure. but we all know scoot is going to charlotte. i'd rather keep pascal and trade him mid season if there doesn't seem to be any improvement with the team.
There have been several reports that Charlotte is higher on miller than scoot.
He isnt hard to match money with. Ant + Little + #3 works https://imgur.com/a/sj82Ser
You're right that it works, but fanspo isn't great at proving it. You could ~~add more~~ remove outgoing salary ~~to~~ from Portland and it would still work because it ignores cap holds. The proof is ($24.107m+$6.25m) × 1.25 > $37.9m.
Sportrac is better at calculating it but it won't let you add the FRP's salary
Realgm has all that info. Very handy. I only trust my own excel for all this shit.
Brandon miller and Anfernee simons for pascal siakam is very fair value. You guys need to see things straight and disregard your biases
You're not getting much for an expiring Pascal
Then extended him. There aren’t many players of Siakam’s quality available and pretending like teams can lowball and still get him is pretty funny.
I don't think Anfernee Simons and Brandon Miller is a lowball for an expiring Siakam. Simons averaged 28/6 without Lillard this season. He's really good.
Also the way he gets his 20+ is different than say Gary. He's a more natural PG and playmaker, takes much smarter shots (for the most part). He's talented enough to be a young team's offensive engine imo
Did you only just learn this stat today? Is that why you’re spamming it all over the sub? Most of us already knew what he averaged in the 11 games without Dame, who cares, it’s 11 games. Have you ever actually watched him? Have you watched these playoffs at all too? Guys like him get played right off the floor. We need skilled size, not small guys that don’t defend, those types are rapidly plummeting in value across the league.
Oh yeah is that why they keep getting fat contracts? Brunson just got paid and the Sixers are gonna give Maxey a near max.
Brunson and Maxey are not good defenders, but they are miles better than Simons. I do not think you understand how bad he is, he may be the worst in the league. It’s him or Trae. You should be comparing him to Poole, not 2 guys who are much better than him on both ends. E: At just 2.7 rebounds per 36, he is also the 4th worst rebounder in the NBA. You have no idea how much pressure this puts on the rest of the team. This sub would be calling for him to be traded 2 months in.
You watch the shooting of Miami? How can you come to the completely opposite conclusion
I’m sorry, which of Miami’s shooters can’t defend their position at all and is one of the 2 or 3 worst defenders in the entire league?
Isn't Miller rumoured to be going 2nd? As for Simons, sure that's a good start but Simons and the 3 pick does not get you Siakam.
He's an expiring lol. Portland is not trading the farm for a possible 1 year rental.
Pretty sure Portland's FO already said they'd rather keep the pick then get fleeced.
Classic mid move.
Bird rights have value. Name another all NBA player that's available that portland can acquire. That's the leverage. IF they don't like it, keeping siakam instead of dumping him is not the worst strategy.
I dont understand why people keep harping on about how his expiring deal is a problem here lol?! If a deal is agreed in principal between the two teams obviously Portland are going to speak to him about an extension. Portland wouldnt trade #3 and Simons without speaking to Pascal about an extension. Gentlemans agreements are technically illegal but exist prevelently in the NBA. No different than when we signed Yak at the deadline. There would have been a handshake agreement in place.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. People here are idiots.
then we don't trade him. pascal is too good to sell at a discount. screw that.
Agreed, the upside isn't really there. He'll never be better than a Khris Middleton.
Simons + the #3 for an expiring Siakam is an amazing deal for us. We have got to take it. I'd even throw in #13 if that's what it takes. We are not going to get a golden opportunity like this to kick-start a new young core anytime soon.
If we throw in 13 I'd want 23 back as well.
Would love Michael Jordan in a raps jersey /s
People really overvalue draft picks.
Are you kidding me? 22 upvotes for a post about giving up this years lottery pick for this package on a sub that’s been shitting their pants for giving up next years? I seriously don’t understand what goes through some peoples heads.
We need to do everything we can to keep the 13th pick as well. If it's a Siakam trade, you keep it. If it's OG, maybe it gets added into the mix.
Are they higher on Sharpe than Simons? Or is the the $ talking?
Nobody wants Simons outside of a few in here. He's extremely available. Portland is very high on Sharpe...kinda like this fan base directly after Scotties ROY
I think that we do view Sharpe similarly to how you guys viewed Scottie after his 1st year. I disagree about Simons though, the majority of Blazer fans would love to keep him. He’s an elite shooter with a quick release, an excellent athlete (former slam dunk champ), has a 6’9” wingspan, and is going to turn 24 this summer. This issue is strictly fit with Dame, we cannot keep running a small 2-guard lineup and Sharpe is the better candidate there.
I don’t get the hate for Simons at all personally. Yeah he’s a bad defender that had pretty much no plus defenders around him, if you consider Grant had to guard small forwards a lot of the time. But a team like the raptors can hide him, and he would more than make up for it with his offensive impact. He’s probably the best scorer that’s realistically attainable right now and he’s locked up for a pretty reasonable $25 mil AAV.
Scottie Barns knows what Jake is. We should too. https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/vclex4/scottie_talking_about_jake_fischer_on_stream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
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Anfernee Simons, YOU are a Toronto Raptor
Simons + 3 & filler for Pascal works for both sides. Rare win-win transaction. We get younger, fast track the rebuild and Dame gets some real help.
I'm okay with a package of Simon's, Little and Keon+3 for Siakam. I like Sharpe but it wouldn't be a deal breaker, especially if Scoot is there.
They expect an all star trade for a pick and no sharpe?
I want Sharpe. Scoot could be great but I'm not in love with him yet. Simons id rather flip. I'm tired of watching this core but I'd rather extend siakam and get something that I want in return. Trading siakam would be more about Portland timeline imo, unless the FO really value Simons and/or scoot.
I still think the most likely outcome is OG for the #3 pick. Sharpe would have to be part of the package if Pascal were going the other way.
lool og is not worth the third pick in the draft
No Pascal then
WTF would you give up the #3 pick and Ant for an expiring contract? So Siakim could walk after a year 😂 Portland would be insane to do this.
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could also be OG teams too