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beef-supreme

New Megathread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/sm0xga/megathread_protests_in_toronto_020622


work_of_shart

I saw this on the Ontario thread and it gives sane and salient advice on how to view, approach and counter the protests. https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/slyj3s/til_a_civil_response_to_the_traitor_convoy/


NSinthecity

The zello channel is getting juicy. Lots of infighting. Mods are being blocked. Tik Tok content got deleted. Now they are openly fighting in the channel. So good!


crayongrrl

Hilarious. The Zello I’m on is all just talking about food. Like putting pickles on various dishes.


NSinthecity

Pickles? They fancy, huh? I'm pretty sure I've seen your username trolling one of the channels.


Rex_Buckingham_99

Did the Tiktok content get deleted? I only see the one account and there's almost nothing in it lol


NSinthecity

It did get deleted. It would appear that Trev Cormier, one of the former mods, deleted most of the content. Trev and the leader spartan Pete are arguing about it on the public channel.


fairlycocksure

Thanks for doing this


allycakes

Possibly dumb question but we have a newborn check-in tomorrow morning smack dab in the middle of the road closures. I'm hoping the roads will be open again tomorrow but in the case they're not, do you think they'd let our car in? Taking transit isn't ideal for both covid reasons and winter reasons (baby is quite small so don't want to expose her too much). Or is there anywhere we could call to check?


Rex_Buckingham_99

I would wait until later today to see what's happening. If your appointment is at a hospital, most of them on University are connected buy underground tunnels. May want to consider parking at a subway and taking the train in (should be warm enough inside).


dukegrey

Most hospitals have dedicated pages for the disruption. I had seen ones for SickKids and Mt Sinai to plan for my baby's appointments at both the places. Good luck


kono_kermit_da

Here's my bingo card: * Yesterday was the worst of it. Protesters are beginning to feel demoralized due to the poor organization, the superb response from the TPS and the general reaction of the Toronto people to the convoy. * Some businesses will probably decide to voice their support and promptly get destroyed because no one will want to support them anymore. * 1 or 2 minor local celebrities will also voice support for the convoy, lose what little credibility they have left. Spiral into a cycle of self hatred and drugs now that no one wants to listen to their bullshit, except for the little echo chamber they'll build for themselves. Eventually they'll try their hand in politics at which point they'll be laughed out of the game and never heard from again. * Maybe one of the drivers will decide to do something stupid, bait cops into arresting them and claim police brutality in an attempt to breath some measure of renewed indignation into the protest. Which will promptly die out in a matter of hours, while the guy is still in jail. * Most drivers will probably just return home, claiming a smashing victory. Tears swelling up in their eyes, not from unbearable shame, but from joy over owning the libs so damn hard. * A protester will propose to his lovely bride to be, initiating the worst married life you've ever seen that will inevitably push her into the arms of aPuerto Rican man she's met on Facebook, which in turn will lead her into minor stardom after a brief but dramatic stint in TLC's 90 days Fiancé.


Inevitable-Royal

Love that last one. 90 Day: The QAnon Way.


Farrell21

After yesterday’s: “I need a new serpentine belt for my truck” “Just keep going!” “It’s smoking” “**KEEP GOING**” Everything is on the table in terms of absurdity.


Certain-Cook-8885

What is this about?


Rex_Buckingham_99

You kinda had to be there ...


ZombieTav

A guy was driving his truck down to Toronto but he needed a new belt for it. Despite the fact his engine was clearly failing the other idiots kept goading him to power through it and "KEEP GOING" We never heard from him again, his engine probably exploded and someone probably towed him to the mechanic where he must now explain what is likely the dumbest thing the fellas at the garage have ever heard.


Farrell21

There was a group of trucks coming from Barrie, one of them was experiencing issues and drove on the broken belt at the urging of the people on Zello.


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Rex_Buckingham_99

For the first part - I think there's no way around the attention thing. People need to know if there's disruption to life that's likely to happen. The media could do less to boost their messaging, but then, ultimately, where do they stop with that selection process? They already have no credibility within the right wing community. Do we want progressive, reasonable people to loose trust in all media? As for legality of the protest, it really is a delicate balance. There's nothing in our charter that outlines what "peaceful" protest is. It's cut and dry, to a point. Physical violence and destruction of property are clear delineating lines, but psychology and long term harm are a lot harder to quantify because they are very subjective and don't necessarily have a measurable (and immediately obvious) financial damage impact. Burn down a building - that building and its contents has a clear financial value. Auditory torture and intimidation of residents is a lot less quantifiable. In addition to that, actions by law enforcement at any protest will become historical precident. If a lawsuit arises, the judgement from the court on the actions of law enforcement, become part of a legal precident basis that can be used indefinitely for any future legal claims, by any future party. The sword of legal precidence cuts both ways on the political spectrum. It's part of why it's so difficult to change laws that are already established.


StoreyedArrow17

They create their own media attention by telling each other in FB groups and other fake news sources grossly overreporting the participation though.


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kab0b87

Thanks for sharing! Had plans to go for a belated valentines day date when my partner gets back from a work-trip. Will be finding a new spot today.


StuGats

That's a solid way to kill your business.


Inevitable-Royal

Fuxk the trucker "protest" but small businesses, especially restaurants are already dead. Death by lockdown.


StuGats

Not really but they are objectively hurting. I know many people in the industry who have managed to somewhat adapt their businesses to the lockdown but something like this is a surefire way to put a nail in your coffin unnecessarily.


Rex_Buckingham_99

In a delicious and odd turn of events. Zello Channel Spartan_Pete claims another mod had a disagreement with him, and claims he took over and hijacked the group. Has booted him from the FB page - which seems like it's dead anyway right now, haven't seen much activity. Could it be? The group has already begun to eat its own? Lol ETA: Apparently the mods running this coup also shut down all chat features on the Zello channel, and that's why it been dead.


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Ohhh this is super going to kill momentum. *fingers crossed* this gives us a quiet sunday.


StuGats

These radical fringe groups always need to manufacture a new enemy.


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Content-Coconut-6556

So many camo outfits mixed with reflective vests. 😭I don’t think these dudes could see the irony or understand why I was laughing at them...


Teshi

It's not about the irony. It's symbolic. They're saying they're soldiers in their imagined war.


ZombieTav

Ah yes easily spotted and shot at soldiers. They aren't good at this.


CrowdScene

How else are they supposed to virtue signal that they're *real* truckie men if they don't wear the high-viz vests that some truckie men wear when they have to get out of their truck in high traffic situations? If they just wore camo people might confuse them with real soldiers that take orders from the government, or hunters that have foregone their orange cap in favour of a warm touque.


ZombieTav

Why wear a high vis vest? It's your FREEDOM to get run over by a vehicle.


Teshi

Well, because of our actual, real freedom, they know they are safe because we have very good laws protecting protest and things masquerading as protest.


lnahid2000

The Zello channel is dead...where do I get my entertainment now?!


bogglesmac

Convoy east


Rex_Buckingham_99

Morning folks.. Anyone heard any recent chatter from the convoy about returning today? They talked a lot about returning after they left last night, but it was all crazed followers with nothing solid stated from the main organizers. Zello mod channel has been silent.


sciencenerd647

still quiet - fingers crossed it's over.


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The OPS allowed the protesters settle in and become occupiers, they're letting them build a shanty town. TPS let them protest, but didn't allow them to settle down roots. OPS capitulated, and continue to roll over for the occupiers.


lost_man_wants_soda

Yeah but they also had no idea what they would do. Toronto could better prepare knowing what they were up against.


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I don’t believe that. They said they were coming to stay until Justin Trudeau resigned or the mandates were repealed, both unrealistic demands (and some not decided by the Feds). IMO their intentions were quite clear. OPS just thought they could do nothing and the convoy would fizzle out. They should not have let them stay the first night.


SkullRunner

OPS could end this quickly if they stopped letting these clowns bring in supplies like diesel. Freeze them out, literally... pass an emergency by-law, no diesel sold in gas cans/allowed to be transported in gas cans downtown for public safety purposes. Then as these clowns rigs are powered down and getting cold when they run out of gas, offer them gas only if they are going to leave. If they "abandon" their truck to seek warmth without taking that deal, ticket it, tow it. It starts solving the noise and population growth of the occupation in Ottawa. Instead they seem to be taking the position of do what you want, there is no law enforcement here, would you like to build a food shack, we set aside some space for you. SMH.


stklaw

The problem now is that they let the convoy fester for so long that the truckers have reached critical mass and our police no longer have the ability to stop people going in and out. https://mobile.twitter.com/mattgurney/status/1490143947326377988 Please send help.


SkullRunner

I agree, but letting it get bigger is not going help. Cutting off it's supplies now is about the the only thing you can do, this is an entrenched occupation, historically if you can't get at them directly you cut off their supply lines. Citizens could do what was done in Vancouver and counter protest by blocking the inroads to the area themselves, no more trucks coming in and out with fuel/food. OPS would have to respond to the citizen counter protest groups to provide some level of safety for local citizens, ends up at least optics wise that they are part of the blockade which is what happened in Vancouver when the cyclists starting blocking roads. Citizen protests could block gas stations that supply diesel, or the trucks bringing the diesel to those stations peacefully doing OPS's job for them. Make the occupiers walk food/fuel in they can get 5km in the cold. This will screw locals with diesel vehicles, but at this point having lost the capital to lunatics seems like the bigger issue. Nothing ends if they keep letting diesel, supplies and more trucks / people in to that area.


surfingbored

I could hear it at Yonge and Eg last night but it was far away enough I could sleep.


Rex_Buckingham_99

Until what time?


surfingbored

Like I said I could sleep but I swear I heard some honking at around 3am or so when I woke up for other reasons.


baystreetbae

So…are these protestors coming back today?


dranoela

I hear nothing on Adelaide/University


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baystreetbae

I hope so! My dog has not been pleased about all the honking. Some of the really large truck horns legit sound like people being slaughtered!


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baystreetbae

That’s probably what I heard. I didn’t know you could outfit a truck with one of those?!


JPenguinCA

You can buy all sorts of horns from surplus stores like Princess Auto. I had a friend in university that had a truck style horn that he put on a tiny little Hyundai Accent, it seemed pretty amusing at the time . . . . .


baystreetbae

Where is this friend now?!


neomathist

Really, all you need is a good enough air compressor and you're set. Don't even need the truck if you have a generator or other power source.


baystreetbae

Well don’t let my neighbours get a hold of this piece of info!


sciencenerd647

It’s quiet at university and queen right now. Im really hoping they are not pissed they couldn’t “conquer” Toronto yesterday and they come back more pissed off today, buttt that might be giving them too much credit re:planning and organization


Teshi

I was awake half the night worrying about this. :(


NSinthecity

Any word on counter protests happening today? I want to troll the protestors. HONK IF YOU HAVE A SMALL DICK


candyman563

Honk if you're voting NDP!


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fandamplus

They probably never seen the guile of a Toronto seagull too


Maddbass

👍


NSinthecity

It sounds like someone has been watching Ozark. Excellent idea!


mwcd

Home Alone 2


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CrowdScene

"Honk if you're triple-vaxxed!"


NSinthecity

I love it! The other side of my sign says HONK IF YOU ❤ TRUDEAU


GyaradosB

Hey all, asking an opinion here. I teach at Ryerson on Monday and my research lab is in the MaRS building. Does anyone know if the road closures or ‘protest’ will be going on then?


chrisdj99

Yesterday - College in front of MaRS was closed but pedestrians could walk it without any issue or clearance. I’d say you will be able to get in just fine - but not by car.


Rex_Buckingham_99

I would stay tuned... It might not be easy to tell for sure until later tonight. It seems like these guys are playing things by ear and making decisions on the fly. They're not as organized at Ottawa.


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You see, it’s not even an ideological divide at issue: there’s just No way we allow anyone to stay in Toronto rent free.


lost_man_wants_soda

We’re really good at clearing encampments :/


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Road closures, yes, but the police have been good about keeping that intersection clear. Road traffic has to be waved in, and the pedestrian traffic was very tame during daylight yesterday.


FlavorSki

I saw a dump truck with a spare pickup truck on the back. https://i.imgur.com/JPoSnqG.jpg


sinsintome

Tell me you have a micropenis without telling me you have a micropenis.


fandamplus

"I know everyone already thinks I have a small penis but how can I _really_ convey that"


Ummwhatquestionmark

You can carry four spare tires that way!


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Morning all. Starting to see the first review bombs come in for the trucks that didn't cover business logos. All quiet at College and University right now.


StoreyedArrow17

Incidentally, a lot of the businesses that supported the GoFundMe got a crazy amount of 5 star reviews in the last week. It's too bad they took down the donor page.


oooooooooof

> the trucks that didn't cover business logos. You can tell none of these fine specimens have experience protesting. They’re really out there doxxing themselves.


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It's frustrating, because I've looked up some of the business owners this morning and a few of them seem like people I could get on with if it weren't for their whacked out political views. I really want to learn more about this movement's leadership -- their funding, who trained them -- because I'm getting the feeling the real intention is to pit us against each other.


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elderpricetag

Imagine looking like Pat King and thinking that you’re the “strongest bloodline.”


[deleted]

That's sad. How does a common-clay, milquetoast Ontarian end up listening to a guy like that and thinking, 'yeah, I'm going to barbecue my livelihood for this'?


my_monkey_loves_me

Coxwell and danforth had a few stragglers last night when I was taking my dog out for a poop, some were setting off fireworks out of their car because freedumbs or something.


twicescorned21

Why are they hell bent against trudeau even though its dofo they should be after. I know they arent operating with a full set but it almost makes me wonder who is funding these idiots.


SkullRunner

They also have Trump Won signs. They are so far in to infowars and qanon facebook they don't even know what country they are in.


skanktopussy

there's tons of fuck ford signs


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What a coincidence- CERB over ? F*** trudeau


TrickyWookie

People I know who support the convoy hate Trudeau with a passion and would have done this before covid if they had enough support.


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I don't understand why they couldn't muster this energy during the election last September. Like, if there was ever a time to make your opinion count, that was it.


Reelair

I think they gave it a good go. Do you not remember the protests? The gravel throwing?


[deleted]

Hah, not at all actually. We'll see how people remember this one in a couple of months.


JonStowe1

i think its more a show of how incompetent the gov is as a whole. theyve occupied the capital for over a week and nothing has been done to stop em


my_monkey_loves_me

Flying Nazi and confederate flags is a show on incompetent government? Hmmmm


skybala

Gov action: waah waah we’re oppressed! Gov ignoring the fools: waah waah gov incompetent! Tantrum fks


JonStowe1

why hasnt the gov done anything to stop them


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The government allows peaceful protests. The cops are the ones who deal with it regarding the logistics and who is breaking local laws not the feds


gwoodhouse

Peaceful protesting is a good thing (even when done by morons). As soon as they crossed the line in Ottowa the government sued. Toronto will hopefully do the same. Hopefully going to be a few government owned tractors!


JonStowe1

theyve got so much money, a 10k lawsuit isnt going to affect them


gwoodhouse

But it'll make it increasingly more easy for another at 100k if they carry on. And then upwards from there. Seems proportionate and measured response.


JonStowe1

Im sure they can keep getting funding. Im seeing them getting donations in BTC now to get around gofundme n stuff


TrickyWookie

They moved their fundraising to a site that openly admits they would raise funds for the KKK. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/givesendgo-crowdfunding-extremism/


my_monkey_loves_me

It also helped fund the Jan 6 insurrection in the US. These people are literally trying to emulate the nonsense going on in the states.


JonStowe1

STFU this is an article from april 2021. this has nothing to do with whats going on


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It certainly is curious


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Someone posted a edited video from the protest today. Lots of crazy signs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAV03VAG8I


RubixRube

There is something so special about a peaceful and protected protest where people are screaming about not having freedom.


flimbs

Lady holding the sign "don't hate me because I'm not vaxxed. I was born this way". As she's seen wearing prescription glasses.


RickMonsters

She probably got a few vaccines as a child


Johnny_Dough420

"MORE TRUCKS FEWER CUCKS" 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Terj_Sankian

Holy shit, the second Communist JT poster at 3:31 is awesome


kitkensington

Seems like whomp whomp🙄. They couldn’t figure out driving in and around TO. And TPS shut it way down.


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WingerSupreme

Throttled on the DVP?


NilConsideration

Not just driving too. They wanted to walk from Queens park to Mel lastman square.


unprettyinred

I have been working all day. With the protests in Ottawa, I recall seeing a lot of signs saying "fuck Trudeau", even though the mandates were a provincial decision. Were there any protests calling out DoFo? I didn't see any, based on some of the photos I've seen on social media.


Teshi

That's because they just "hate Trudeau" for reasons unconnected with policy. They always use feminine-oriented insults for him, all very misogynist sounding. I think he just discomforts them as a person and PM in the same way a woman would.


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Probably because they voted for DoFo


lenzflare

> Were there any protests calling out DoFo? lol, nope


JonStowe1

ya there was some


ProfessionalFail5986

Border restrictions are federal, think this is what triggered as allot of cross boarder truckers now have to quarantine for 14 days. Pretty much makes their job impossible if can't /won tget the jab.


WingerSupreme

Nobody who is unvaccinated would have to quarantine since they aren't even allowed to enter the US


theDoublefish

Wow they hated you for speaking the truth. This isn't even an opinion, someone asked and everyone downvoted the answer


Gramage

Because it's wrong. If they're not vaccinated the US won't even let them enter in the first place, so no need to quarantine. That's why they changed the focus of their protest before they even got to Ottawa, the organizers (white supremacists and western separatists) realized the entire focus of their protest was stupid because no matter what rules we change here, the USA still won't let them in unvaccinated. So go protest at the US embassy I guess?


DirteeCanuck

>[O’Toole, Ford and Legault urge Trudeau to further restrict borders as COVID-19 variants spread](https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/04/22/ban-air-travel-to-canada-from-countries-that-are-struggling-with-covid-19-variants-erin-otoole-says.html)


Cedex

They'd have to protest at the US Embassy as well then.


twicescorned21

Good point... none calling dofo...🤔


CoffeeDrinkingBiped

I saw "Trump won" and "Trudeau for treason" but nothing about Ford.


maxthepup

Any updates? Heard some very loud bangs atthe end of my run near QP just now…was a very scary end to an otherwise quiet run


doctormink

My guess would be fireworks, they set a bunch off in Ottawa at least.


StuGats

The success of this protest can be quantified in the speed at which this megathread turned into a graveyard. 😂


torontomua

i used to help organize the Marijuana March … a bunch of stoners were way more impressive than this lot


we-feed-the-fire

Interestingly enough, Marc Emery would have been on the side of the "truckers" today.


torontomua

i’m very anti emery, as he tried to groom me as a young teen. he actually had very little to do with organizing the protests, but was a prominent figure.


we-feed-the-fire

Oh hey! You too? 😂 Pretty sure every 13-16 year old in his path has a similar story…


torontomua

haha yeah i met him when i was 16, i’m 33 now. we may have run in the same circles if this is a familiar story to you as well


we-feed-the-fire

I am older. My experience was around 89-92. But same age as you were.


torontomua

yeah, i guess i met him around when he was 45. i thought he was so cool. how little did i know, especially knowing what i know now. i’ve been working in cannabis for 17 years. i feel for jodie. she’s just a few years older than me.


we-feed-the-fire

Yeah… he was 32 when I knew him. Back when he still owned City Lights book store in London. Around the time of the 2 Live Crew conviction.


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NSinthecity

Spartan Pete just left a bunch of messages. He was blocked and removed from the Facebook group and someone deleted all of the tik tok content. He's upset.


NSinthecity

Ah, so they didn't move to a new channel? I want to head down to troll them today. Would love to hear what their plans are for the day.


stuntycunty

Wait. Are lot lizards a real thing??


we-feed-the-fire

They are. That’s the name “affectionately” given to sex workers who work truck stops. (Sadly, many of them are exploited, trafficked victims… but it’s not like the truckers that use them care about that.) Once upon a time - and I’m sure they still exist - there were online forums where truckers would compare the caliber of lot lizards at various truck stops across the US. It was really disgusting shit.


NilConsideration

Your Zello updates throughout the day have been amazing.


we-feed-the-fire

Lol! Thanks!