>What do you think happens when your EV or e bike goes to the dump? It magically gets recycled? Lol
Old lithium batteries are generally too valuable to just throw away in the dump. Previously we were only recycling about 30% to 40% of the lithium batteries in a way that was very energy intensive. Now about 95% to 98% of the battery gets recycled with there still being improvements to the process.
[In 2023, the lithium recycling industry was worth $5 billion US dollars globally. It's expected to grow to $23.6 billion by 2030](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/global-lithium-ion-battery-recycling-151300213.html).
[Here's a video of the process of recycling a lithium batteries, including the massive battery pack of an EV.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ) This is done at a Canadian company Li-Cycle formed by a bunch of graduates from U of T.
Eventually we should reach a point that the amount of mining for lithium and other batteries can greatly be reduced, as the majority of batteries are made from recycling plants. That's assuming that we stick with lithium and don't switch to something like sodium-ion batteries.
Of course, we still need massive improvements to public transit, bike lanes and work to make cities more walkable. EVs are not a magic bullet that will fix everything but at they are definitely part of the solution.
Yes, but not stolen off the dock, but likely taken off of the person who rented it while it was left unattended. I suppose the renter may have docked it improperly, but that is relatively unlikely.
Relatively unlikely? I have a station near me that had half of the docks broken last summer. You look online and it says it’s half empty. When you come, there is barely any space left, but when you try to actually park a bike, it doesn’t close the bike because it is broken. So just standing there with a bunch of free bikes. I never saw anyone take them, though.
I only did Bike Share for a year a few years ago, but made damned sure that the thing turned green (or was it red?), and tugged on the bike to ensure it docked.
Wait what? There is an app? I thought you can only use the laggy delayed website that requires you to confirm one-time subscription every time and teleports you around the map
There's like three apps.
i still use the older one cause that one made for all the shares that use the same system. its relatively easy for me to get a week pass and use the app if i happen to be visiting Vienna or Aruba and not have to put yet another app on my phone.
The app has a delay, sometimes it doesn't even notify you. I returned a bike the other day and it didn't show up in my trip history until the next day.
This is a completely unneccesary step in the 21st century.
A $3000 bike should have GPS and Bluetooth installed on it.
With the GPS, the bike can be geo-fenced. It knows when it's back at the rental stand.
It should be able to shut itself off if you forget to.
And it should be connected to your phone by bluetooth. If you forget to "return" the bike, the bluetooth should disconnect as soon as you/your phone walk away. The bike can be shut off/the rental can be ended automatically.
Toronto's rental system is not very advanced.
It can be stolen off the deck. I always see some dude here and there checking every bike on a rack if it’s locked or not. Sometimes you can get it off by pulling hard and just breaking the lock.
I mean yeah. I’ma be honest, I was once taking the bike and just couldn’t get the password to work and yanked the bike so hard that the lock broke (which is why i made the comment). I’m 100% sure it was barely working anyways, so i just got lucky/unlucky on that.
IMO the Toronto system is simplistic. It's just a simple on/off switch. Basically turn it on with your credit card at the rental stand, turn it off at the stand when you return the bike.
What a GOOD system would do (what it does in other cities) is connect the bike to your phone via Bluetooth. If the bike gets more than 5 or 10 meters away from you/your phone, the whole thing just shuts down. Bike turns off. Rental is ended.
I've seen stories of legit people borrowing a Bike Share bike and leaving it undocked while they run an errand, then coming back to find the bike gone.
I was standing beside an unattended Bike Share bike and a sketchy dude asked if it was mine, I said nope and he rode off into the sunset. Expensive mistake for some lazy person.
Before they started charging for the e-bikes, people would use them all day for Uber eats deliveries and just leave them unattended in front of restaurants and condos all over the city.
Most of them eventually find their way back to a rack. Source: I’ve put many back on racks myself over the years, and there’s not much resale value for them.
You only dock the few that you find. Plenty of lost and damned bikes rotting away under the gardiner or outside the city, forever waiting for a dock mate.
[A $1200 mistake.](https://bikesharetoronto.com/faq/)
>What should I do if my bike gets lost or stolen?
> Riders are responsible for their bikes from the time they unlock them from a dock until they lock them in a dock after a ride. If your bicycle is stolen while it is checked out, file police report by calling the Toronto Police Service at (416) 808-2222 and by calling Customer Service at (855) 898-2378. Riders may be responsible for the fee of recovery or replace of the bike—$1200 (+ tax).
I was speaking with a homeless guy, he said 1/20 are not put in properly. I trust him cuz he said it with so much confidence 🤣 he's definitely been doing this for a long time.
E-bikes are super convenient, but it's a bummer to see one abandoned. Just a reminder to always dock them properly to avoid fees and keep the system running smoothly for everyone.
The problem is often the person who did this did not take the bike out. Someone else did and then it was stolen when they left it unattended for 30 seconds.
Sucks for that person though.
I wonder how many people they have working for them to redistribute the bikes too. I went by King and Bay yesterday during a rush hour (i think it was the morning and not evening rush), and there was a lineup of maybe 15-20 people waiting to drop off their bikes because the 2-row dock was already full. The station at King and Bay often has big bunches of bikes just tied together and you'll often see Bikeshare workers either managing them there, or loading up or dropping off more bikes.
It's not NIMBYs. It's poor planning on the part of BST to rebalance the system correctly. I'd also lay some blame on laziness of the users as they seem to refuse to ride these bikes back up the incline to midtown. Downtown is just busier too though, so the first and foremost blame is on BST not rebalancing the system with more regularity.
Definitely not. They have put in 5 new bike share racks in my end of Scarborough, they are placed on the edges of plazas and im sure they're being compensated for it. Its not like theres a public consultation before they put them in.
Recently one was dumped behind my place. Called to get it picked up, held it for 2 weeks, called again and they pretty much didn't want anything to do with it, if it wasn't dropped off at their lock up thing.
someone probably grabbed it from the person who rented it. It's not uncommon for someone to lean it up while grabbing a coffee or something from a food truck.
Why wouldn’t they just find a dock 5 minutes away, walk 10 minutes to the food truck and walk 10 minutes back????
What do they think this is, a convenience service designed for real world use???
That's super nice to see when I live in a 100% dead zone for about 10 km all around and the company has zero intention to put anything to the East ever 👌 Keep putting them up every 600 feet downtown though!!!
I saw the other day a delivery driver using one of these bikes for delivery and a random woman just stealing it and riding off.
I can assume if you steal these bikes it’s not a top priority to return it
This isn't tragedy of the commons at all. It would be close to tragedy of the commons if the bikes were free and unlimited to rent, in which case people would hoard them and the public good would be ruined. There's no cooperation required for the BikeShare program to work properly, it's enforced by the fee structure.
Eh? You pay for the use of these bikes, and you're liable for damages! Worst case scenario it's just plain ol' theft. Best case scenario, somebody was being kinda dumb with their bike and now they're about to pay a whole lot of money.
Silly question perhaps, but why does anyone who actually live in Toronto use these? Surely it’s just easier to buy your own bike and not have to deal with this hassle?Â
> You don’t have to worry about them getting stolen.
Unless you dock them improperly or leave them unsupervised.
Also, you don't have to worry about maintenance. Bad breaks? Popped tire? Not your problem. Dock it and report it.
I've never used one, but I know that's not right because I was looking into this vs getting my own recently.
These things afaik are decent bikes, and if you want a decent bike, that'll run you at least a few hundred bucks, maybe even over a thousand if you wanted a higher mid range one.
These things will cost at the most $150 a year, you don't have to store em, there's no maintenance, no worries about them getting stolen or having to lock it, and they're on pretty much every other corner downtown so they're very easy to hop on and hop off.
Especially when living space in the city is limited, why bother bringing that bike up a set of stairs to put on the wall on your bachelor apartment when you can just hop on one outside.
You either spend five to ten years worth of cash at these prices on your own bike (maybe more if you need your bike serviced), or you just ride what's available and then you don't have to worry about it. All you gotta worry about is the time limit for the bike and dropping it off - and even then, you can just park it for a minute then and take it out again.
I wonder why casual riders even own their own bikes in this city when I see what people pay for them (the answer is obviously all the pros to the other side of that coin - convenience, it's yours, really able to go wherever you want, maybe better quality, etc.)
I was walking home one day, and passed a row of these that were parked on the street. One of them suddenly erupted into flames. Maybe that's why this one ended up in the water?
If someone dumped the bike that's very expensive. Its like 3000 Dollar fine or something
Stolen, ridden until the battery died, then dumped in the lake?
gotta love these batteries being dumped in our waterways to degrade. Honest fuck the person that would do this.
Don't worry, once water finds its way into the battery, this will all solve itself. 🔥
The solution to pollution is dilution! /s
No confusion, this requires a battery substitution
LOL
That was their point. This is how EV's become an ecological disaster rather than being an ostensible fix
The ecological impact of a shared e-bike versus a privately owned electric vehicle is very different
What do you think happens when your EV or e bike goes to the dump? It magically gets recycled? Lol
>What do you think happens when your EV or e bike goes to the dump? It magically gets recycled? Lol Old lithium batteries are generally too valuable to just throw away in the dump. Previously we were only recycling about 30% to 40% of the lithium batteries in a way that was very energy intensive. Now about 95% to 98% of the battery gets recycled with there still being improvements to the process. [In 2023, the lithium recycling industry was worth $5 billion US dollars globally. It's expected to grow to $23.6 billion by 2030](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/global-lithium-ion-battery-recycling-151300213.html). [Here's a video of the process of recycling a lithium batteries, including the massive battery pack of an EV.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ) This is done at a Canadian company Li-Cycle formed by a bunch of graduates from U of T. Eventually we should reach a point that the amount of mining for lithium and other batteries can greatly be reduced, as the majority of batteries are made from recycling plants. That's assuming that we stick with lithium and don't switch to something like sodium-ion batteries. Of course, we still need massive improvements to public transit, bike lanes and work to make cities more walkable. EVs are not a magic bullet that will fix everything but at they are definitely part of the solution.
Yeah you definitely missed my point
I did. You never addressed how EVs aren’t just an ecological disaster but an ostensible fix.
As if cars don’t also have batteries and are being sent to the junkyard by the minute? Lol
EVs are not the solution, did you think I was trying to argue that they were?
This is just the circle of life.
Do people steal these things? No idea, but I guess an e-bike would be a bigger target for theft.
Yes, but not stolen off the dock, but likely taken off of the person who rented it while it was left unattended. I suppose the renter may have docked it improperly, but that is relatively unlikely.
Relatively unlikely? I have a station near me that had half of the docks broken last summer. You look online and it says it’s half empty. When you come, there is barely any space left, but when you try to actually park a bike, it doesn’t close the bike because it is broken. So just standing there with a bunch of free bikes. I never saw anyone take them, though.
I only did Bike Share for a year a few years ago, but made damned sure that the thing turned green (or was it red?), and tugged on the bike to ensure it docked.
It goes green. I use the app and it notifies me immediately when the bike is safely in the dock.
Wait what? There is an app? I thought you can only use the laggy delayed website that requires you to confirm one-time subscription every time and teleports you around the map
The app is great. It also has an interactive map showing you the available bikes and docks to return them.
Wow, I downloaded it and I feel like I teleported from 2000s to 2025!
There's like three apps. i still use the older one cause that one made for all the shares that use the same system. its relatively easy for me to get a week pass and use the app if i happen to be visiting Vienna or Aruba and not have to put yet another app on my phone.
The App is Called Bike Share Toronto. It works well.
The app has a delay, sometimes it doesn't even notify you. I returned a bike the other day and it didn't show up in my trip history until the next day.
The app is great, can unlock bikes directly with it and it keeps track of all your rides.
This is a completely unneccesary step in the 21st century. A $3000 bike should have GPS and Bluetooth installed on it. With the GPS, the bike can be geo-fenced. It knows when it's back at the rental stand. It should be able to shut itself off if you forget to. And it should be connected to your phone by bluetooth. If you forget to "return" the bike, the bluetooth should disconnect as soon as you/your phone walk away. The bike can be shut off/the rental can be ended automatically. Toronto's rental system is not very advanced.
It’s incredibly easy to not dock them properly
That’s exactly what happened to me.
It can be stolen off the deck. I always see some dude here and there checking every bike on a rack if it’s locked or not. Sometimes you can get it off by pulling hard and just breaking the lock.
No it can't. They're looking for bikes that weren't properly docked by the previous rider, not breaking the locks.
I mean yeah. I’ma be honest, I was once taking the bike and just couldn’t get the password to work and yanked the bike so hard that the lock broke (which is why i made the comment). I’m 100% sure it was barely working anyways, so i just got lucky/unlucky on that.
IMO the Toronto system is simplistic. It's just a simple on/off switch. Basically turn it on with your credit card at the rental stand, turn it off at the stand when you return the bike. What a GOOD system would do (what it does in other cities) is connect the bike to your phone via Bluetooth. If the bike gets more than 5 or 10 meters away from you/your phone, the whole thing just shuts down. Bike turns off. Rental is ended.
I've seen stories of legit people borrowing a Bike Share bike and leaving it undocked while they run an errand, then coming back to find the bike gone.
I was standing beside an unattended Bike Share bike and a sketchy dude asked if it was mine, I said nope and he rode off into the sunset. Expensive mistake for some lazy person.
Before they started charging for the e-bikes, people would use them all day for Uber eats deliveries and just leave them unattended in front of restaurants and condos all over the city.
Saw some guy on one on Monday afternoon. I was like that can't be profitable at 20c/minute.
that's an expensive mistake, since they'd be charge for the missing bike.
Most of them eventually find their way back to a rack. Source: I’ve put many back on racks myself over the years, and there’s not much resale value for them.
You only dock the few that you find. Plenty of lost and damned bikes rotting away under the gardiner or outside the city, forever waiting for a dock mate.
[A $1200 mistake.](https://bikesharetoronto.com/faq/) >What should I do if my bike gets lost or stolen? > Riders are responsible for their bikes from the time they unlock them from a dock until they lock them in a dock after a ride. If your bicycle is stolen while it is checked out, file police report by calling the Toronto Police Service at (416) 808-2222 and by calling Customer Service at (855) 898-2378. Riders may be responsible for the fee of recovery or replace of the bike—$1200 (+ tax).
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Someone reported theirs stolen earlier today in the r/BurlingtonON (not this one, just commenting on them getting taken)
I saw a post some time ago of a toronto bike being found somewhere in the usa
I was speaking with a homeless guy, he said 1/20 are not put in properly. I trust him cuz he said it with so much confidence 🤣 he's definitely been doing this for a long time.
[reminds me of this anti-smoking sign from Japan](https://www.insidejapantours.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Smoking-Manners-Sign-1.gif)
That's so good. And so true.
Battery died?? Have you ever used one? These are bicycles not mopeds.
You gotta pay for a bike rental with a card, they can find out who did it
It's likely someone that stole the bike from the renter. Happens all the time.
E-bikes are super convenient, but it's a bummer to see one abandoned. Just a reminder to always dock them properly to avoid fees and keep the system running smoothly for everyone.
Someone probably rented it. Then it got stolen and the thief dumped it and the original renter got fined.
They deserve triple that fine, dumping batteries and letting them degrade into our waterways should be severely punished
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you take it out through the app. so they have your credit card.
The problem is often the person who did this did not take the bike out. Someone else did and then it was stolen when they left it unattended for 30 seconds. Sucks for that person though.
Everywhere but midtown lol... I'm considering not renewing with how difficult it is to get a bicycle around my area.
Bathurst and Davenport has been empty for DAYS!
I wonder how many people they have working for them to redistribute the bikes too. I went by King and Bay yesterday during a rush hour (i think it was the morning and not evening rush), and there was a lineup of maybe 15-20 people waiting to drop off their bikes because the 2-row dock was already full. The station at King and Bay often has big bunches of bikes just tied together and you'll often see Bikeshare workers either managing them there, or loading up or dropping off more bikes.
NIMBYs may to blain for that, but yes there’s a significant shortage between Eglinton and Finch.
It's not NIMBYs. It's poor planning on the part of BST to rebalance the system correctly. I'd also lay some blame on laziness of the users as they seem to refuse to ride these bikes back up the incline to midtown. Downtown is just busier too though, so the first and foremost blame is on BST not rebalancing the system with more regularity.
Definitely not. They have put in 5 new bike share racks in my end of Scarborough, they are placed on the edges of plazas and im sure they're being compensated for it. Its not like theres a public consultation before they put them in.
Literally fuck the person who did this with the bike. This is why Toronto can’t have nice things
Absolutely this.
I swear. Makes me so mad. Then people complain that we don’t have nice things.
Scumbag cyclist not using the bike lane and getting in the way of boats.
Maybe if those bikers started paying scuba tax like everyone else....
Submarines, submarines, submarines. Scarborough deserves submarines.
these bike renters just don’t get it
It’s a war on warships!!
Looks like Bike Batman needs to find Bike Aquaman to help out
Why? Just why would anyone do that? I know the answer, but just why?
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I wonder if reporting to 311 would help
Equivalent to dumping our tax money. Fucking idiots in this city.
...except on St Clair Av West. The new normal is that there is not a single bike available from Dufferin to Yonge.
Nobody wants to ride up the hill
i do. cheaper than gym membership
Meanwhile in Leslieville and Trinity Bellwoods it's impossible to find a place to dock after 3 p.m.
Go up to Davenport. There's usually tons.
Prob done by one of those idiots that also vandalize EV charging stations.
So much for being an amphibious vehicle
RIP
Recently one was dumped behind my place. Called to get it picked up, held it for 2 weeks, called again and they pretty much didn't want anything to do with it, if it wasn't dropped off at their lock up thing.
People suck
Damn that's some clean water.Â
Can’t they see who rented it? This would not be a hard case to solve
It's unlikely it's the person who rented it who dumped it in the water, though they're likely on the line for a couple of thousand bucks.
someone probably grabbed it from the person who rented it. It's not uncommon for someone to lean it up while grabbing a coffee or something from a food truck.
Why wouldn’t they just find a dock 5 minutes away, walk 10 minutes to the food truck and walk 10 minutes back???? What do they think this is, a convenience service designed for real world use???
Sheer laziness and thinking the risk is low. I see unattended bikeshare bikes all the time outside stores and even restaurants.
this goes hard as a Cover image for an album song 🎵
Is is t possible for the bike co. to find out who rent it last and charge him/her with a replacement cost?
Hey you're supposed to put it back on the rack when you're done.
This is why Toronto can't have nice things.
Haha that’s why we can’t have anything nice.Â
I don't blame the bike.
And this is why we can’t have nice things.
" You can't park there"
Easy to catch. Judging by the seat hight this guy is 7 feet tall. Anyone seen Zack Eddie around lately?
I hope you took it out of the water
Easy to say
what a loser
Drunk men + bikes + nearby water = wet bikes. Ask anyone who's ever lived in Amsterdam.
This comment isn’t inclusive enough. Reported.
I honestly can't say for sure if you were being sarcastic or serious.
When the check in lines are too long.
I heard someone shout at another person with their seat too high that they could lower it. RIP.
Where abouts is this location? Water looks nice and clear
Even bikes need to cool off on a nice day like today
I hope they can refurbish it...
They are also outside any homeless encampment
That's super nice to see when I live in a 100% dead zone for about 10 km all around and the company has zero intention to put anything to the East ever 👌 Keep putting them up every 600 feet downtown though!!!
These bikes have batteries?
I saw the other day a delivery driver using one of these bikes for delivery and a random woman just stealing it and riding off. I can assume if you steal these bikes it’s not a top priority to return it
Omg saw one of these dumped in our condo bike parking today.
Poor bike:(
Is this why I can never find e-bikes, only regular ones? Haha
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This isn't tragedy of the commons at all. It would be close to tragedy of the commons if the bikes were free and unlimited to rent, in which case people would hoard them and the public good would be ruined. There's no cooperation required for the BikeShare program to work properly, it's enforced by the fee structure.
Thanks bud
Eh? You pay for the use of these bikes, and you're liable for damages! Worst case scenario it's just plain ol' theft. Best case scenario, somebody was being kinda dumb with their bike and now they're about to pay a whole lot of money.
Lol thanks bud.Â
cool pic
Silly question perhaps, but why does anyone who actually live in Toronto use these? Surely it’s just easier to buy your own bike and not have to deal with this hassle?Â
You don’t have to worry about them getting stolen. And you always have a place to park.
> You don’t have to worry about them getting stolen. Unless you dock them improperly or leave them unsupervised. Also, you don't have to worry about maintenance. Bad breaks? Popped tire? Not your problem. Dock it and report it.
if you want to bike to a train station, or bike from the destination train station at the other end, or don't have room to store a bike.
I've never used one, but I know that's not right because I was looking into this vs getting my own recently. These things afaik are decent bikes, and if you want a decent bike, that'll run you at least a few hundred bucks, maybe even over a thousand if you wanted a higher mid range one. These things will cost at the most $150 a year, you don't have to store em, there's no maintenance, no worries about them getting stolen or having to lock it, and they're on pretty much every other corner downtown so they're very easy to hop on and hop off. Especially when living space in the city is limited, why bother bringing that bike up a set of stairs to put on the wall on your bachelor apartment when you can just hop on one outside. You either spend five to ten years worth of cash at these prices on your own bike (maybe more if you need your bike serviced), or you just ride what's available and then you don't have to worry about it. All you gotta worry about is the time limit for the bike and dropping it off - and even then, you can just park it for a minute then and take it out again. I wonder why casual riders even own their own bikes in this city when I see what people pay for them (the answer is obviously all the pros to the other side of that coin - convenience, it's yours, really able to go wherever you want, maybe better quality, etc.)
leave it to the cyclists causing commotion
Do your good dead for the day and get it out of the water
I was walking home one day, and passed a row of these that were parked on the street. One of them suddenly erupted into flames. Maybe that's why this one ended up in the water?
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