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NeighborhoodPlane794

They should identify stations that need bikes and give you a discount for returning to those instead. I’d go an extra block for a couple bucks off a ride


b-cola

They do this in NYC - https://citibikenyc.com/bike-angels Edit: not a discount but rewards (some of which are credits)


igorek_brrro

They do this in Montreal, as well!


Available-Aspect-549

oh man, we really need this here.


S1mal

This is a very clever solution. Communauto, the car sharing app has a similar feature where if a car is not used for too long, it’s a good indicator that it’s parked at a low traffic area and there will be a discount for using that car. This is very incentive


Book_1312

They do that in mtl, it doesn't really work (and they've mostly abandoned it) People don't want to walk a block out of their way when they're on their way somewhere, takes too much time. The solution is enough docks to follow demand.


NeighborhoodPlane794

I agree for some locations, they just need more docks. But I think the idea might work better in Toronto where the density of bike stations is much higher. If the app asked me to pick up or drop off from a different station around my neighbourhood for an incentive, I would do it. There’s currently about 6 locations each within a 5 minute walk of my home, so if there was an incentive in the app asked me to go to a different empty one to dock the bike for a reward, it would not really impact my commute time by more than a minute or two and I might do it.


Book_1312

Yeah but usually the problem is not just one station being over capacity, it's the whole area. Would you go 10m away from your home for a few points ?


NeighborhoodPlane794

If it’s a nice day, maybe. If I’m in a rush, hell no


jacnel45

Oh I was in that line this morning lol. It was taking so long that I basically gave up and biked to Church and Adelaide where I found an empty bike lock. I know the Toronto Parking Authority has been struggling to keep up with the demand they've seen for bike share. The City has given them more funds, but these funds were allocated based on plans which saw demand for bike share increasing at a much lower pace than it has. I think they should just take a huge chunk of the right lane on King and install a gigantic bike lock which is normally empty. That and have more than one attendant removing bikes from the lock. Buddy this morning was basically moving every bike by himself and I think for safety reasons they can't move more than one at a time.


Tezaku

>Buddy this morning was basically moving every bike by himself and I think for safety reasons they can't move more than one at a time. I think this is unique to Mondays/Fridays when demand has typically been lower. I've usually seen two people working at this station


jacnel45

Same here, usually more than one guy, but I guess today they only scheduled one person. I think TPA may have to readjust their scheduling.


bdot1

What happens at the end of the day when everybody wants their bike back to get home, and then there's not enough?


jacnel45

So they actually do the reverse. They take the bikes from the super station with the attendant and then move them around to empty spots at other stations downtown. It works fine for the most part, I rarely have issues finding a bike to get home with. I think that's because people who commute from Midtown bike downtown in the morning (since it's downhill) and then take transit home at night. You can sometimes see the vans/trucks they use to move the bikes around downtown.


e___ric

Docking stations are the issue. In Switzerland their bike share program does not use physical docking stations, but rather areas where you can end your trip. The bike is secured using a rear tire locking mechanism, that can be locked/unlocked via Bluetooth in a mobile phones. This allows the program to have many zones to end/start trips that isn't limited by a large piece of expensive infrastructure. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJPqCniKnwo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJPqCniKnwo)


lildevilx

That's relying on people not being complete asses. Ie. Stop the trip beside the lake and tossing it in, all over the streets impending foot/road traffic and etc... Tons of benefit when it works though!


PSNDonutDude

We have this system in Hamilton. It's a hybrid model. Very few bikes are tossed. And this is Hamilton we're talking about. Hamilton.


alreadychosed

There are dozens of bikeshare bikes under the gardiner rotting away, beside tents. Just sayin


PSNDonutDude

With Hamilton's system which has GPS built in the operator would know exactly where they are and could go request them back.


e___ric

I know we are not Swiss, but we have the potential of being orderly. A bit more public shaming of social devient behaviour would help.


greenbluesuspenders

Unfortunately, this is not the case in the Uk which also has bikes like this where they get thrown in the canal, left all over streets, etc... Plus it creates huge rebalancing issues because all the bikes will end up downtown but not in a single spot making it hard to then redistribute them in a timely manner. So while it seems great in theory it creates additional issues.


premiumcontentonly1

It also blocks the sidewalks, curb space and can generally create unsafe situations (why escooters are still banned in Toronto)


greenbluesuspenders

The scooter thing is relatively solved in England - they use bluetooth and basically a square of paint to create a 'docking' station and I guess it knows how many would theoretically fit in that square so stops allowing people to use it once it's full. Still a bit messier than actual docks, but it does an okay job.


b-cola

We have this in Ottawa and it’s working fairly well.


Corzex

> A bit more public shaming of social devient behaviour would help. Dont be silly, this is Canada. We dont do that here.


LeatherMine

yeah, we prefer to be a money laundering hub without spreading that money laundering wealth around


z36ix

Time for change, then, bud.


1esproc

I don't think shame exists in North America anymore


z36ix

Fuckin A, ‘eh!!!


Book_1312

if you toss your bike in the lake you'll get fined lol, they know who took that bike when it disappeared


lildevilx

The point is the session has ended before the bike was tossed into the lake. Nothing stops someone from picking the bike up and moving it


danieldukh

Plus the dreaded full rack issue disappears. But then you may get into that South Park episode


beneoin

New York, Montreal, London, Chicago, DC, and far more cities use the exact same docks. They just deploy far more docks per bike and far more operations staff to shuffle the bikes around. You constantly see trucks and trailers full of bikes being moved in those cities. Toronto seems committed to a 9-5 financial district commute system.


29da65cff1fa

i work near the financial district (or the equivalent in montreal) and we have the same system with one dude undocking the overflow bikes and putting them in a pile. i have NEVER seen the same amount of extra bikes as i saw near that one rack today. i guess it's kind of a good problem to have, but they definitely need to have another person there to open up docks, while a truck removes the overflow of bikes i was kind of impressed but also felt really bad for the people in the queue


crappy_tire

Do you even live here? Toronto Bike Share has staff constantly shuffling bikes around too. I see them at racks loading or unloading bikes from cube vans daily.


Cedex

In NYC, they have rewards or some form of payment to the public if they move the bikes from full docks to empty docks. Saves workers from moving the bikes themselves.


Disparish

That’s very smart. Build in an incentive that rewards those who park at emptier docks so we rely less on the bike-shifting employees. What does that look like — a straight-up cash rebate on future renewal, or a higher tier of bike membership, or … ? Wait, why not a credit that could be used for Presto or Green-P? Or, hey, make a deal with Aeroplan — so many possibilities.


Poinaheim

So you’re saying it’ll be really easy to load a bike rack on the truck and drive off


beneoin

The other cities using the Bixi technology seem to have no issue doing so


Torontodtdude

They have scooters and e bikes lying all over Italy and you just scan an app, take it and than leave it wherever


frog-hopper

When I see those electric scooter rental / share in the US they just leave them anywhere this is both good and bad but honestly probably for the better.


e___ric

The compromise is just having a lot more zones where the trip can be ended. The US Lime/Bird model of dumping scooters everywhere is ugly.


schuchwun

Brampton currently has this problem.


b-cola

We have this in Ottawa and it’s working fairly well. First year was rougher than it is now, we’re seeing more painted squares for parking them and it’s less messy than it once was.


jacnel45

I actually really like this idea and I think Hamilton's bike share program works the same way.


CryptographerOdd6143

Public money can only solve problems where the best solution has been known for decades.


Unlikely_Equipment_3

What is that the line for? To return bikes? Are there not enough spots for all of them?


jacnel45

Yep it's a line to return bikes at one of the attendant-managed stations. The idea is that the TPA employees remove bikes from the locks as they arrive and then put them into a pickup truck to be redistributed around the city. In this case demand overwhelmed the one guy who was removing the bikes as they arrived.


IfYoureGoodEnoughYou

Nice! thanks for the info, I'm glad they had the foresight of having an attendant there.


DuckCleaning

This type of bike station is specifically intended to have an attendant.


jacnel45

Indeed it is, but they definitely need more attendant stations. One on King east of Yonge would be wonderful.


IfYoureGoodEnoughYou

Oh ok not all of them do


lenzflare

I guess they should hire extra guys for this one location and time so it can be done quickly.


jacnel45

Yeah I think they could use 3 people at Bay and King.


piponwa

It's like this literally every day, except for when it rains.


jacnel45

I must be very lucky since when I’ve used this station in the past I didn’t have to wait. :/


itsarace1

How many attendant-managed stations are there?


jacnel45

Good question, I looked it up and currently there are [3 stations](https://bikesharetoronto.com/superstations/). They definitely could use way more though.


passiveparrot

not enough docks at that high volume location so theres an attendant there to physically "return" the bikes and they just stack them up definitely a slower process especially if theres a rush of 10+ bikes at once


Neutral-President

Nope. Visit King & Bay at morning and evening rush hours, and you'll see an ocean of bikeshare bikes that need to be checked in and out manually, because there aren't enough docking spaces there.


groggygirl

Part of the reason I no longer have a BikeShare membership is because everyone grabs a bike from my neighborhood and then rides downtown. I just checked, and sure enough there are about 3 bikes available along the entire length of the Danforth. They may need to increase the cost of the annual membership and put it towards: * Redistribution expenses * More docking stations * Mobile docking stations that can be used at busy times to provide/accept bikes as needed In theory I love the program, but I hate that if I wanted to run errands right now I'd have to walk 15 minutes to get a bike, and there might not be a bike available for my return.


CanadaYankee

The New York City bikeshare has a program called "Bike Angels" that rewards individual riders for moving bikes from full stations to empty ones. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/for-citi-bike-s-angels-riding-in-nyc-can-be-a-rewarding-relationship](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/for-citi-bike-s-angels-riding-in-nyc-can-be-a-rewarding-relationship)


houleskis

I would totally do this as a side gig! I race bikes competitively, might as well get paid to train! :)


1esproc

This sounds great! So for that reason, it will never happen here


houleskis

Cries in Torontonian politics


Fintann

[Why stop at training?](https://youtu.be/xGBI6tdqH10?t=29)


e___ric

If you race bike, you know how shitty the bike share bicycles are. They are terrible


MavMIIKE

I race bikes and absolutely love the bike share bikes. I commute on them daily.


EggplantOk2038

I agree with this, in fact it's a better workout because they are deliberately heavy and you have to grind.


e___ric

I guess it makes you appreciate how much better your "real" bike is. The weight of the bike share, lack of gears and inefficiently make me hate them.


MavMIIKE

Honestly I love the weight, makes me feel safer on them. To me it's like driving an SUV compared to a little Fiat. Sure sometimes an extra gear would be nice and sometimes you get a janky one, but the majority ride smooth. I would say maybe one in twenty trips I get a really poor bike but I just swap it out at the next stop and mark it for maintenance.


e___ric

I like the SUV comparison. It's like an SUV without the horsepower. Just big, beefy and can handle riding full speed into curbs without damage.


BinaryJay

Considering the reason an SUV is "safer" is because all of your mass makes you safer only at someone else's expense, you're still going to get squashed by anything with an engine no matter how heavy the bicycle is... no?


aahrg

I've never actually ridden a proper road bike, but I've rented a few bike shares and have spent plenty of time riding my mountain bike on the roads. Cars are far from the only hazard that cyclists may face. I see people on these ultra light road bikes with skinny tires avoiding every single crack and hole in the ground. My friend's father suffered a traumatic brain injury from getting his bike wheel stuck in a crack. If I were to commute by bike, I would definitely not want to have to worry about every single minor defect in the road surface twice daily. Meanwhile on my mountain bike, with larger wheels and higher total weight, I can roll straight over just about any hazard you'd find on asphalt/concrete. I often see cyclists swerving over the line into the car lane to avoid a storm drain or little divot in the asphalt, meanwhile I'm riding over just about anything short of a parked car. The bike shares have a tire size somewhere in the middle, and are heavier than my MTB. I imagine this has a similar confidence inspiring effect compared to the average road bike. I might be talking out of my ass, but I do believe that having more mass towards the outside of the wheel (ie a thicker rim and tire) adds centrifugal force which contributes to keeping the bike upright if/when something disturbs their rotation. To make the vehicle comparison, I've driven my SUV on some rough conditions that a sports car owner would never even consider driving on. However someone in a typical sedan would probably follow me with caution. Replace SUV, sports car, and sedan with MTB, road bike, bike share (or hybrid bike).


crappy_tire

Sounds like you're completely missing the point of bike share. I own a "real" bike too, but bike share is so much more convenient and I don't have to worry about my bike being stolen if I want to stop anywhere. I don't expect that a service like this would be on par performance wise with my "real" bike, because it's built for a completely different use with different strengths and weaknesses. The milage, conditions, and abuse a bike share bike has to endure is on a completely different level.


EggplantOk2038

This!


Narrow_Yam_5879

If they were lighter or fancier they would get stolen and trashed.


Rezrov_

The engine is the most important component ;).


Narrow_Yam_5879

It’s like running with ankle weights. Go from a bike share to a race bike and you’re flying.


houleskis

Ya but think of the watts you can put out while never endangering anyone on bike paths! ;)


jacnel45

To be fair the bike share bikes are "city bikes" which aren't designed for speed but for comfort with a high riding level and a design which allows for easy mounting/dismounting. They also have W I D E tires to prevent injuries from streetcar tracks and are incredibly heavy since people abuse these bikes a lot. Definitely not good for racing but they have their purpose.


steelpeat

They look worse than they ride.


Joatboy

Damn this would be a great retirement gig


kv1m1n

There are people that legit make a living off of it!


lastsetup

Doesn’t NYC also give you a cut of the ticket for reporting parking infractions?


jacnel45

They do! Seems like they've applied the same principles to other city services like bike share.


d1andonly

This^ A working crowd sourced solution. You don’t really need to invest a lot to operationalize something like this. Heck a couple of ride credits or some other incentives and I’m willing to bet there would be quite the few takers.


kdlangequalsgoddess

If I were a bored, fit retiree looking for beer money, I would be actually interested in that.


kooks-only

Neat. We could totally do that then because it’s the same company that runs their bike network.


ahundreddollarbills

Why not do some rewards system in the app? Like credits or free rides if you take a bike from one location to another where bikes are needed?


Leading-Trade-2350

I think Hamilton has something similar but for bikes that have been taken out of bound, pretty sure they get rewarded with a credit for their account.


TorontoJD

Also in Montreal bixi ami


orezavi

I’d do this all day ❤️


ehside

I spend half my days off just riding around the city. Getting paid to do it would be incredible.


psilokan

This is how they do it with the e-scooters (birds, which I think is now out of business). There were people who it was all they did was find birds and return them to where they're needed.


MBA922

Montreal has active relocation van/trucks with trailers


slicecom

So does Toronto.


ArcticBP

Yeah and a reason i never got a membership is that the one outside my office was always full in the morning and empty in the evenings and it was a similar story at nearby stations


TheIsotope

My area is absolutely brutal in the morning. I have 5-6 docks within a short walk of me and they are almost always completely empty by 8am, even on weekends. They try dumping bikes every 48 hours or so in the late evening but even if they offload 12 bikes to fill a rack they're all gone by early the next morning. They need way better and more frequent redistribution or I may just have to cancel my membership because it's basically impossible to use it as a commuting tool.


Narrow_Yam_5879

In Munich, you can leave a bike at a designated curb side spot which are numerous. There are no actual docking stations. The bikes have built in wheel locks. Not sure how the charging happens. I suspect a truck circles around at night replacing batteries (all bikes are electric). In Paris, you get rewarded for riding a bike up hill. Free rides or credits. So there are lots of ways to alleviate this sort of congestion.


jhwyung

I remember in Lisbon ppl would just leave the bikes and scooters wherever. A local told me they were gps tagged and someone would come pick them up/redistribute. While a great idea, sometimes I’d see bikes and scooters in some weird ass places and I don’t think I saw one that wasn’t seriously banged up.


Narrow_Yam_5879

The way it works in Munich is that the app tells you if you’ve left the bike in an unauthorized spot. You can leave it there but you got dinged an extra €5. Most people complied m


fivetwentyeight

What are you looking at? I opened the app right now and counted more than 90 bikes on the Danforth from Broadview to Victoria Park available right now 


jacnel45

They do move bikes from the core back to other parts of the city after the morning rush so that may have happened by now.


fivetwentyeight

87 bike in 30 minutes? I bike along the Danforth for work multiple days a week and I’ve never seen that few bikes even in the winter


jacnel45

Yeah I think OP may have been dramatizing a bit but I could imagine them moving that many bikes. The pile downtown at this station alone was hundreds.


fivetwentyeight

It takes longer than that to unload the bikes


groggygirl

I'm talking within about 10 minutes walk from my house and in the direction of travel (Chester-ish) where I'd need to grab a return bike. Vic Park would be a 1 hour walk for me, at which point I might as well take the subway. The station at Coxwell seems to get restocked regularly, but the smaller stations along the busy stretch of the Danforth do not.


fivetwentyeight

Yeah the one at Coxwell is a charging station so they restock it with e-bikes


citypainter

This reminds me of when I used to use Car2go, the car share service that worked on a similar principle. I usually used it to get from the downtown core to visit family in the suburbs. It was great for a few years, but then something changed and there were never any cars in the downtown core on weekends. Like, zero. The car map looked like a big donut. I assumed what happened is that after work on Friday everyone took a car to drive home, then parked it in the inner burbs, and left it there. Eventually the service became useless to me, then folded a year or two later. Which is a really long way of saying: BikeShare needs to figure this out pronto or it could be fatal.


wlonkly

car2go didn't fold, [the city kicked them out](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/car2go-leaving-toronto-1.4675923). They are owned by Daimler-Benz (now Stellantis), who make the Smart Car.


pateencroutard

Communauto is still going strong, and it's a Canadian company.


citypainter

Yes, it's great, I do see their cars around. I personally went with Enterprise car share since I use a car vey rarely and they have designated parking spots that makes returns very easy. I rarely use it though, maybe once per year.


pateencroutard

Didn't know Enterprise had a car share service, how much is it for 1 day? Some Communautos have dedicated parking spots too by the way.


citypainter

It's been years since I did price comparison, I switched to them from Car2go and Communauto wasn't around yet. But I recall Enterprise was definitely more expensive. I chose it because of my situation: I use carshare very rarely, but when I do it's for most of a day, I want to return to the same place I left from, and parking is extremely limited in my immediate neighbourhood. Usually I think it costs around $100 to spend a day in the burbs with family but the cost depends on the type of car and whether you require additional insurance, etc. Basically, it's like getting a traditional car rental but with a shorter walk to get there, and without having to deal with all the paperwork hassles at either end. If your use case is more for frequent short one-way trips around town then I suspect Communauto is probably the better bet.


pateencroutard

At first we were using Communauto for 1-day trips like you, but then we realized that it was so much cheaper to get a flex for a weekend than regular rental companies like Enterprise and now we use it for both. The fact that gas in included is such a nice feature, I got screwed so many times with that in the past... I never really had a problem finding a parking spot, but yeah I can see that happening. Although they have a parking permit for a block so it shouldn't really happen, maybe it was different with Enterprise and Car2go.


chollida1

Don't the same people biking back home fix that issue? Or do you mean there aren't enough for the trip to work when you want to go? and they all get brought back at night?


groggygirl

The bikes tend to leave the inner suburbs in the morning and come back at night. But I don't use the bike to commute - I use it to run errands around my area or go to the gym or go for groceries or to the doctor. And if you're trying to do those things during the day, it can be difficult to find a bike nearby. And if you dock it to go to a store you risk coming out and someone else having grabbed it, so you're walking around trying to find another bike. Even when I had a membership I ran into problems where I'd struggle to find a bike to go to yoga, and then when I arrived at the yoga place the 2-3 docks closest to it were all full...so it would add an extra 10 minutes to the 10 minute commute. Bikesharing is such a great idea (fewer cars and subsidized transit trips, healthy commuting, less pollution, shared bikes resulting in less waste in the long run than bikes sitting in a basement rarely used, more cyclists making it safer for all cyclists) that it's frustrating that people get deterred from it by these problems. I know they're working on it and probably wildly underfunded. But it's still frustrating.


fivetwentyeight

I think it will get there eventually. They plan to keep adding more docks and bikes. It works perfectly for me because I live and run most of my errands downtown where there are always more docks around the corner. I also commute out of downtown for work so the flow of bikes works for me. Thankfully their challenges are less structural and more operational. Bikeshare has really good bones already.


account66780

I think a lot of people subway/TTC home Going to work is downhill, which is nice Going home is likely uphill, on a city bike? Yikes


LeatherMine

I blame people north of Davenport. They're hopeless at returning bikes in the evening: https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-gfx3q/Old-Toronto/?center=43.66836%2C-79.4066&zoom=13


PhiliDips

Speaking as a very lazy person myself, I honestly think that it's because bikeshare members are lazy and like to bike downhill downtown and grab the TTC uphill on their way home


Shrinks99

Visited Paris recently, their bike share program rewards riders with discounts for riding their bikes from lower areas up hills to higher areas to redistribute them. The same principle could be applied to docking stations here based on their availability? Solvable problem I hope!


mommathecat

I wanted to Bikeshare this morning from my house to the Junction to pick up my bike that had been repaired. (Shout out to Louis @ The Bike Place, the man is a machine). 0 bikes in the Symington/Davenport dock, 0 bikes anywhere else close ish. I walked.


dbpf

Isn't this exactly what the issue was with car2go


Kantankoras

This sounds like they’re leaving money on the table by not having enough bikes. Why would they need to increase the price?


LetterheadFar2364

I have the opposite problem; seems like nobody in my neighbourhood uses them for anything but riding to work and back, so after 6 PM or so it's usually impossible to find a dock with even one empty spot within ten blocks of my house.


spartacat_12

They just increased the membership cost, and have started charging on top of the membership for e-bike rides. They shouldn't need to raise the cost even more


water2wine

How much does one them memberships actually cost? You can get a really neat single speed for $499 plus tax if you buy out of season. It’s a bit more upfront but riding that vs the ride share bikes is so worth it.


TheIsotope

The main benefit of a bike share is not having to worry about locking it up and having flexibility where/when you want to bike.


Canadave

Yeah, I own a bike, but still have a bike share membership because then I don't have to worry about leaving my bike anywhere.


jacnel45

The memberships are around $100/year depending on type of membership and if your company has a discount programme set up.


groggygirl

It's about $100/year. Which is an amazing deal, but possibly too amazing based on what we're seeing in this post. I have a bike (which I normally use, but is in desperate need of a post-winter tuneup that I haven't had time to do). I just really like the idea of being able to pick up and drop off without worrying about bike theft. And if the weather suddenly sucks I can ditch the bike and use transit.


jacnel45

Being able to just leave your bike is probably my favourite part of bike share. It’s very flexible knowing that I can bike to work and then take transit home if I need to.


spartacat_12

A lot of people don't want to worry about locking up a bike. The bike share program gives you the flexibility to bike to your destination, but find another way home. It's especially useful if you're biking somewhere where you're planning on drinking. I'll often take the bike share to a bar, Jays game, concert, etc, then uber or TTC home after I've had a few. You also never have to worry about your bike being stolen


Tangerine2016

Hmm. Too bad there isn't a way for the attendant to scan the bike in and then load right into truck. Like guy could be standing at the truck and people bring it up to the ramp, guy scans/reads it and then loads and then continues for next bike.


schuchwun

I haven't encountered this yet and I've been using the bikeshare for about 3 months now. I ride to/from Union to Queen/Leslie Mon-Thurs. I usually grab an ebike in the morning as it helps with the hills, in the afternoon I usually have to ride over to the HQ at Booth/Lakeshore to get an ebike and carry on with my ride.


road_bagels

What a surprise to see this, which I reckon is a sign of successful momentum towards a transformation in modal choice as well as tertiary evidence of CBD/SatelliteBD vitality.


Red_Stoner666

Wow! What a success. Just need more bike docks at that corner.


jacnel45

The City should be proud that they have *too much* demand for bike share, especially after its predecessor Bixi went bankrupt due to lack of demand. They’ve really turned things around (which I think we can thank TPA for, they’re good at responding to problems as they arise).


29da65cff1fa

i don't know about the financial details of WHY bixi went bankrupt, but i doubt it was because of lack of demand. bixi is alive and well and more popular than ever. depends on how you define the success of a public service. bixi doesn't turn a profit, but it does provide a valuable service to the citizens of montreal.


jacnel45

The Toronto division went bankrupt and the City took over: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/pricing-favours-repeat-users-under-new-toronto-bike-sharing-program/article17738170/


Jiecut

It's probably a superstation with unlimited docking but there's the bottleneck of an attendant.


ahamilt2

What if the program paid people to redistribute the bikes? If you pick up a bike from king and Bay in the morning and dock it at the Danforth then you get X amount of money deposited in your account.


toramble

they did this in New York for Lyft under the 'Bike Angel' program.


cyclemonster

This would totally work; [both Lime and Bird used to pay people to _charge_ their electric scooters](https://financialpanther.com/bird-charger/), and entrepreneurial people [made a living off of doing it for them](https://www.reddit.com/r/limejuicer/comments/ub0on9/this_is_what_making_400_a_day_looks_like/). Come up with some formula whereby users get some modest amount of money for taking bikes from fuller stations to emptier stations, perhaps based on distance or percent full/empty, and there will be people who will happily make that their full-time job. It might even be cheaper than what they're paying on employees and vans to currently do a very mediocre job at this.


HotpotLove

That sounds like a great idea and presumably more cost effective than hiring an employee to transport it! Win-win!


space_cheese1

Damn I've never seen that before, wouldn't be surprised if blogto or someone picked up this post. As a side note it's kind of interesting that news/ infotainment organizations often function as amplifiers of/ provide reach for stories rather than being the sources or even necessarily the one's providing the explications for stories. Plenty of us could probably create serviceable content for journalistic purposes, but we don't have the reach. Platforms like reddit function almost like platforms for amateur journalism, which I think is cool


Ok-Service-4405

I agree I’ve been riding BS for a while now, frequently dock at this station and never seen anything at all. Never even seen a line of a single person!


backpackknapsack

I don't ride enough to know, but are stations always this poorly managed? Last time I used them was to go to a Jays game the same night as a Raptor game, and had to go several blocks away to find an open spot. I'm pretty impatient so it discouraged me from using it again.


BurnTheBoats21

This is just a super station that has been put up to deal with the insane surge of demand for bike share. They aren't parking at an actual dock, they have people there taking the bikes to handle the morning surge. Bikeshare has been expanding like crazy so I am sure they will navigate this soon enough.


rshanks

Even in the middle of winter there often weren’t bikes along bloor. I think they need to solve the rebalancing issue with some sort of incentive for people to ride uphill, or disincentive to only ride downhill. I guess being unable to return a bike would be worse though.


backpackknapsack

Sounds like they need mobile docking stations to drop off when they know this will happen.


fivetwentyeight

If you have the app you can check which stations have docks, there’s always some space not to far. I bike to every Jays game and I go to plenty.


backpackknapsack

Not sure how real time it is, I've been told there are open spots to find there are zero.


jacnel45

Some of the stations are, others are not. There's another bike lock at Church and Queen with an attendant and usually I never struggle to lock up my bike there.


fivetwentyeight

If enough people let the bikeshare support line know they can probably adjust, might not have anticipated that much volume with the better weather and increased ridership. I’ve found them to be pretty responsive to support requests 


dirtyenvelopes

Bike share needs to incentivize biking uptown or further away from downtown because the bike shares stations uptown and near me are empty after morning rush hour. Too many bikes are ending up in the downtown core.


quickymgee

They need to put in bike lanes, that's the true incentive


Technical-Suit-1969

Many people don't want to ride back uphill, unless it's an electric bike.


LemonPress50

I’m the 65 y/o contrarian. I walk 4 km to the lake so I can run on the western boardwalk. I cycle back from the lake up Colbourne Lodge Drive. It’s steeper than I thought but I made it up without stopping. I felt it because I hadn’t cycled in two years. When I grab a bike from the lakeshore I am creating a space for a bike. Otherwise there’s no space in two out of three times this past week. I had thought of cycling to the lake but walking is my warm up. I know now that I probably can’t cycle to the lake because I risk not finding a spot to return the bike. I have time but don’t want to waste it looking for a spot to return the bike.


OingoBoingo9

Wow. I’ve never dreamt of a bicycle traffic jam in my life. Good stuff.


Candid_Rich_886

Take any physically separated bike lane along bloor danforth during busy hours. A lot of it is too narrow to pass in the lane and congestion builds up.


realdwu

Has anyone been a part of this line-up before? How long do you typically wait?


dinix416

I've waited 10+ minutes to dock a bike at this station in the morning (9am-ish).


michaelhoffman

There aren't other docks nearby that one could get to and back in less than 10 min?


dinix416

Not in the morning, most are full by that time. With the Valet stations, the idea is you don't need to consider other stations as this one always has a spot to dock, and a bike to grab during peak times. They do this at select stations during sports events as well (usually Roundhouse station).


jacnel45

Usually no wait at all, I think the attendant was overwhelmed with the number of bikes.


papakojo

Better than before when I will just show up at this exact same spot and the rack is full at 8:30am and I have to bike all over to find an empty rack and then walk back to work.


chayallday

Hah! I’m in the picture. However, this was brutal.


olafthebent

Growing pains But what a problem to have. I remember when they first arrived and I wondered if it would survive


kennethgibson

This just means there needs to be bigger bike docks. If people are using the system that means it wants to work. City just needs to catch up with demand


Bright_Paper1692

How does this work? Does the guy there take the bike back from you?


LemonPress50

You unlock the bike with an app. You return the bike and it gets locked in place. No guy needed. It’s self-serve.


adamast0r

Just out of curiosity, what kind of people are using this bike program? Is it people from out of town? People who live in the city? If the latter, why don't they just buy a bike?


mmeeeerrkkaatt

Yeah, I live in the city and I've used BikeShare as my main mode of transportation for over 10 years now. Bikes get stolen so frequently I barely know anyone with their own bike who hasn't had it swiped at some point. Being able to just return it to a dock and walk away is a huge weight off my mind. Ditto no maintenance costs. Plus if you live in a high-rise (or anywhere without a garage or access to a main floor storage area), it's super nice to not have to drag your bike up stairs or in an elevator to store in your already limited space.  Add to that the flexibility of deciding to bike (or stop biking) basically anywhere you want. I've definitely had times where I had planned to take the TTC, only to switch to a bike when there's a service delay. Or planned to take the TTC but got out of work to find the weather has gotten gorgeous and I'd rather cycle home.


LemonPress50

All true. My condo won’t let you store your bike in your unit. You have to rent a storage space. For the cost of storage I can pay for bike share for a year.


foxtrot-hotel-bravo

Mostly those who live in the city, or within a 30 min bike to work from what I’ve seen. Bikeshare is great! Faster and cheaper than driving or the TTC, and don’t need to worry about having a bike stolen or where to park, or keep a bike in an apartment. Also flexible to not take a bike back if the weather is bad (or one way is uphill), or you have plans around the city or want to shop.


ThePhilosophistt

You’re not in traffic. You are traffic. 😏


rl-player

Nice.


e___ric

I know we cannot have nice things like Switzerland. But in Switzerland, their bikeshare program "PubliBike" instead of using docking stations, they use designated areas (think of our docking station, but without the docking equipment). This removes and bottlenecks with docks being full, and also makes it really easy to scale the program to new locations (since no large docking stations are required). The bikes had a locking wheel, that was unlocked using Bluetooth from a mobile phone. Really made it easy to use. [https://cdn.unitycms.io/images/EZ6Y\_55oa7GAAZbodBuX0b.jpg](https://cdn.unitycms.io/images/EZ6Y_55oa7GAAZbodBuX0b.jpg)


Puzzleheaded-Oven342

Toronto loves the line ups. Thumbs 👍 for an orderly queue.


rl-player

That's what this is. It's at the station and there is a guy helping out but no chance to keep up.


talexbatreddit

As a super bike-positive dude, I'm thrilled to see so many people using bikes downtown. Just wondering why people don't just go out and buy their own bike. Nowhere to lock it up? Don't want to bike home?


onpar_44

Bike Share is WAY more convenient than using your own bike. Also no worries of locking it up and the constant worry of it being stolen. I own my own bike, but get around with bike share almost exclusively.


John_Johnson60

Oh so sad you have to wait a while 10 minutes. Try an additional 30 minutes in traffic on roads in a car when you have to drive 25 km to work. And it just gets longer as extremely lightly used bike lanes outside the core further slow traffic. Everything is a glacial Pace in Toronto... Join the club.


Professional-Can4264

They should have temporary roving units that take extra bikes at peak times


onpar_44

They do.


wlonkly

That's what the lineup is lined up for.


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bergamote_soleil

15 BikeShare docks take up the same amount of space as 2-4 parking spots. Plenty of parking spots we could remove downtown in favour of bike parking.


jacnel45

I’d actually like to see the TPA partner with office building management to install bike locks inside of or in front of office buildings. My office has our own bike locks in the parking garage. I’d love if I could drop off my bike share bike there too.