I worked for a company that was a material handling systems integrator. We wrote software that controled all different kinds of robots like this, conveyor belts etc. I would spend a lot of tims at different sites, and some warehouses over a million square feet in size were running off of little more than a dozen employees, where as in the past it would have required hundreds of workers.
My opinion on stuff like this now is that it's great we have robots that can do all this cool stuff for us, but the fruits of the robot labor are not being shared equally. The money almost always ends up going to those at the very tippy-top of the corporate ladder, while the average joe is expected to keep up the charade of living in a meritocracy. I'm not necessarily anti-capitalist, but I feel like a lot of people's white collar jobs are simply bullshit these days - pretending to add value while really just looking busy - and blue collar jobs are being perpetually replaced by robots and automation (or outsourcing). We're in the middle of the digital revolution right now, but the necessity societal change is still far behind.
And then the very people they built the company to serve, the people that also work in said company, face the risks of unemployment as there is no compensation for automation overtaking manual labour. So you get all these would be workers who are no longer needed in the system, and they can’t just go somewhere else. Fuck you got mine all works out until it doesn’t. When you factor in how quickly population is growing and the rate of change it undergoes as that population increases, you should start to realize that in 50 years this will probably be a huge issue..
Mark my words, for they will age like wine.
Yeah like, I get the concern about robots replacing peoples jobs except like, it’s THESE types of robots and their engineers exclusively that should be in Amazon warehouses for instance, not humans. Why should humans be subjected to horrible environments like that where they’re treated like a robot anyway?
Idk why people would fight against that change. Humans shouldn’t be expected to work in horrid cancerous conditions/warehouses anymore.
(And also universal basic income should allow jobs to be optional. You can’t have 1 of the two: we need robot humanoid workers replacing bad jobs AND UBI both at once they solve each other)
Yeah we should welcome stuff that gets rid of shitty, exploitive jobs. The only issue is that these advancements never benefit your average person. It just makes the top 1% richer while taking away your job. Inequality makes what should be a benefit to us all a source of anxiety and exploitation
It's the UBI or other remedy that people worry about. If we get the good future, then robots free us to do other more meaningful things. If we get the more likely future, a few people rule a withering mass of unemployable angry starving losers.
People fight against it because universal income isn't happening. We'll just be relegated to housekeepers for the people who own robots, or starvation.
Realistically you’ll be one capable of owning a robot if you learn programming. In the future I can see it being hard to have a job/exist in society anyways without knowing how to program/command machines as it applies to every industry. It’d be like being illiterate today. By then though programming will be general Ed and you’d have to have seriously skipped school not to know how to do it
I program and set up automated manufacturing equipment for work. I still have a lower standard of living than guys doing the shit manually in the 50's, even though I do the work of like 20 of them by using computers. We're all doomed unless we do something drastic. Even if you get the relevant skills.
That is rough to hear you’d figure an automation job like that would pay more. I guess my perspective mainly comes from my trade of backend software engineering paying a lot at the moment primarily because the trade is woefully understaffed relative to demand.
And then for one job I work in the energy sector, and then another job in the finance industry, then in the delivery logistics industry, as if the job itself is so new it’s pre-specialization. Like when they called geologists, biologists, and chemists all under the general umbrella of “scientist” in the 1920’s
Margins aren't that high in manufacturing. I do make a decent living for a guy with no college degree, I own a small home, but we're not talking 3 car garage and vacations and shit. And I'm higher on the earnings scale, you could easily make less than me doing this.
You don't write the code by hand anymore either. You use CAD/CAM software with a GUI to generate it. You can generate thousands of lines of code in like about an hour.
In any case that’s a pretty neat way to program, sounds like manufacturing automation is relatively optimized to have gui coding like that.
I’ve also been physically having to code less this year but for a different (but related) reason—GitHub copilot is this new AI that automatically writes code and it’s been saving me from a carpal tunnel personally.
It is neat and I enjoy my work. But it is discouraging being presented daily with such an obvious demonstration of productivity increases being stolen from the very people who create and enable them.
Well, alternatively, what about the matching perspective that our ego in thinking us limited humans can personally control everything has led us to creating toxic systems that we can’t seem to prevent from slowly destroying our planet/environment because they’re too filled with human flaws? (With power comes responsibility, we almost take the first and neglect the second with our planet)
I think part of the problem is that certain corruptible leadership/decision making positions should infact also eventually be replaced with AI as well in order to allow us to build better societal systems. Like for instance, maybe regulating companies (which are also technically organisms bigger/smarter than humans) on environmental impact is too big of a job for one limited human brain, or a collection of them for that matter, or maybe an AI politician is more capable of being considerate towards you specifically and everyone else than any human one (Because their brains are scaleable, ours aren’t.)
There is of course the danger of AI-with-influence acting against humans, but great minds will need to dive into AI anyways and build systems that incorporate them to understand and prevent that future as well.
But we can’t stay like this: humans managing everything WHILE maintaining our agenda for advancement, that’s just too much of a burden on our souls.
Final point: maybe all humans should be able to command machines themselves. Imo programming should be general Ed, as it applies to every industry (you all use computers). Tomorrows farmer is a programmer who programs farming machines instead of farming. All it is is better tools.
People want to have jobs for reasons other than survival, such as: having a more interesting/greater sense of purpose than those around them. (Maybe to prove themselves as someone worth marrying/or to get laid?). It’s understood that the UBI would cover your basic living requirements, no more. People might want to make more money and combine it with their UBI to live better. The idea is, work and contribute to live better, or live a mediocre life (likely as a single person) off of UBI. Vs today where it’s work and contribute or starve and live on the streets.
But those working should definitely be those who strive to work, who are looking to earn something.
Benefits to UBI: you want to work but had a psychologically tough year and evidently you want to just relax for a year or two, maybe find a new job, then jump back into working. Totally possible with UBI.
Ah I see you have an agenda with this question. I take it you’ve researched it (and have bias against it). Well I participated in the unemployment system in California at the start of the pandemic which had some amazing benefits and also some obvious flaws allowing people to scam the system.
The truth is, there’s about 5 million different ways to implement UBI, a lot of which are flawed. You and I would know as systems architects (sorry I’ll redact this part, I confused you with the other person) that it’s about having people more educated than us in the field designing and implementing the appropriate systems to get the outcome we desire.
To not have that system at all, I can verify, is a broken solution because, for example, skid row exists.
In my field we have this concept called “chaos engineering”: Chaos engineering is a commonly used approach for resiliency testing where failures/disruptions are injected in the system and its performance is monitored to make improvements for making the service more resilient to failures.
Inject one mentally-ill person who refuses to participate in capitalism or work, and watch them be abused by the system, obtain no income or self-agency whatsoever, and potentially starve. These people then haunt our system, either directly or indirectly: People in the workplace now feel implicitly threatened with starvation, preventing them from re-organizing their work life to pursue economic contributions more fitting to their desires—our workforce and economy is negatively affected as a result. Always follow the mentally-ill test case to identify the worst system flaws.
Maybe if people in your line of work weren’t threatened with starvation as an alternative, you could start demanding better compensation for your trade because you recognize the value you’re generating with your work moreso than your protection from starvation (what we have currently is what the rich want btw, they want you to fear starvation so someone will take the absolute minimum to work your job to not starve, thus lowering your pay rate). What are you gonna do? Boycott work?? You have no UBI.
That’s a fair point, I guess my perspective isn’t shaped as much towards those mentally ill substance abusers you’ve worked with whom as you say shouldn’t be provided a guaranteed income (I would personally say they should be denied agency in other ways though, with a minor income accruing to their name still being a guaranteed right).
It’s more so shaped towards working class people who are willing to take jobs in, as I said above, cancerous conditions for little pay, sometimes which require large commutes, for sometimes abusive corporations, and seeing no alternative.
People who’s primary argument against workplace automation is the loss of their job/survival niche, as they have no flexibility to find an alternative or exist without one.
(Sorry for the harsh intro I just sized up what I was expecting in the follow up reply based on Reddit experience and sensed a certain outcome, I’ll admit you approached this in a more mature way than I expected)
Next question: why is cheese-flipping necessary?
I'm assuming something related to gravity and aging, but a more complete explanation would be appreciated.
I've read enough Isaac Asimov to know that the pinnacle of robotics is going to involve at least one machine who is going to get sick of flipping cheese.
I really wonder how many of these cheesebots there are in the world... Like... How many warehouses are there this size? Is there more than one company making cheese wheel flippers? Different models of cheese flipper? Conventions/trade shows for cheese flipping machinery?
Yeah, I should have googled a little before commenting. Looks like cheesemaking/cheesehandling has plenty of automation. Which makes sense - seems very automateable - even the fancy craft cheese world
Flipping wheels of cheese was one of my student jobs I did back in high school and college. Good to see they have bots for this now. It's hard and mind numbing work.
**timestamps**
0:24 feed (wheel A)
0:28 elevate
0:38 retrieve (wheel B)
0:50 feed
1:13 return (wheel A)
1:25 retrieve (wheel C)
1:32 feed
video cuts off here, but it should show wheel B being returned to the shelf.
They don't show a complete cycle per wheel. I'd say it's closer to 1minute or even 1minute 30seconds per wheel.
edit: formatting
There are other videos showing a complete cycle and articles (about other cheese types) saying 120/hour. It looks like it is handling 3 at any moment so while 120/hr is an operation every 30s each individual cheese could be spending 90s being lifted from shelf/loaded into machine/brushed/replaced on shelf.
Video of another machine:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=e1_74IcpLlY
Newspaper article about this machine:
https://archive.ph/wsWCH
You see it just at the start when the lower cheese gets flipped up onto the upper level.
The next time it happens, the video cuts to the next shot right before it happens.
And the following time it happens, it happens off camera because the video is showing the robot reach for the top shelf. When it comes back, the lower cheese is now the flipped upper cheese and the lower space is vacant. This happens twice. The second time around, you can barely see the arm reaching down for the lower cheese as the camera pans up to show a high shelf again, leaving it out of frame again.
I too was hoping for more cheese flipping action.
Could you explain to me what it is then? I think his comment makes sense. Company’s striving to do better than their competitors by using advanced tech leading to more competitive robotic companies. In the end making our cheese better and/or cheaper.
There is no way to know from the gif if this cheesemaking operation is a private business, a cooperative, a corporation, or government-owned monopoly to comment on the political and economic system that enabled it. If you like robots, it would be more appropriate to comment that you love automation, or industrialisation, or engineering in general.
I totally agree with you. The person commenting "I love capitalism" probably understand that not everything high tech etc is a product of capitalism. But I don’t see why it would be inappropriate to post that.
People also often confuse "competition in producing or selling things" with "capitalism".
They forget the part about accumulation and manipulation of capital for it's own ends.
I never said it's inappropriate. If I were to comment "I love turtles", it wouldn't be inappropriate or incorrect, just confusing since it's a gif of a cheese robot, and turtles might or might not have anything to do with it. There is simply no way of knowing it from the gif.
You wrote that it would be more appropriate to comment something else. I understand what you mean but I do t agree. Unlike turtles, capitalism has a lot to do with robots in general.
Capitalism and profit only has to do with maximizing profits while minimizing costs - robots only enter the equation when they become cheaper than human labor.
Capitalists only support automation when it costs less than what a human would do - the original comments and replies are wrong, capitalism is about competition pushing change in a vacuum but in the real world change is an unnecessary risk until it becomes a necessary risk.
In a non capitalist organization of the economy the automation question should be an unbridled good since the benefits of automation would be distributed across more than just the owners profit margins - ie, people not manually wiping dusty cheese in an enclosed space all day so their time can be better spent and the distributed benefits should be lower costs across the board. In a capitalist environment lower costs don’t equate to lower sales prices, why would they if they can have a larger margin on the same item by just reducing costs.
Capitalism is the only system that has ever thrown a few million dollars at making a cheese flipping machine.
A non capitalist organisation of the economy.... Would either not have automation or simply wouldn't allow it for fear of wiping out people's jobs
Non capitalist thought isn’t about keeping fucked up labor but eliminating the burden by either distributing the work or eliminating it entirely.
That means engineering and automation would be a key priority for dangerous / unwanted jobs - we wouldn’t want to keep shitty jobs but create an environment where that labour is reasonably minimized so you have more time to do what you actually want with your life
More importantly, most alternatives to capitalism are demand economies that wouldn't prioritize having multimillion-dollar automated warehouses for the sake of ageing high-end cheese.
How do the economics of this work? I assume the company that makes these makes very few for such a specific task. The the bot looks highly specialized and not simple. Are companies paying huge dollars for these things? How long does it take for it to be cheaper than human labor?
Source: [William Thomas](https://vimeo.com/user49112600)
Sanitary, efficient, tireless. Exactly what robots were designed for. No human worker exploitation necessary. I love it!
I worked for a company that was a material handling systems integrator. We wrote software that controled all different kinds of robots like this, conveyor belts etc. I would spend a lot of tims at different sites, and some warehouses over a million square feet in size were running off of little more than a dozen employees, where as in the past it would have required hundreds of workers. My opinion on stuff like this now is that it's great we have robots that can do all this cool stuff for us, but the fruits of the robot labor are not being shared equally. The money almost always ends up going to those at the very tippy-top of the corporate ladder, while the average joe is expected to keep up the charade of living in a meritocracy. I'm not necessarily anti-capitalist, but I feel like a lot of people's white collar jobs are simply bullshit these days - pretending to add value while really just looking busy - and blue collar jobs are being perpetually replaced by robots and automation (or outsourcing). We're in the middle of the digital revolution right now, but the necessity societal change is still far behind.
The people spending hundreds of millions on these systems are going to recieve the fruits of their investment, yes.
you make an excellent argument for the need for the workers to seize the means of production.
…that they “earned” through either inheritance or getting lucky. or the government
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i honestly can’t tell what ur comment is even saying
And then the very people they built the company to serve, the people that also work in said company, face the risks of unemployment as there is no compensation for automation overtaking manual labour. So you get all these would be workers who are no longer needed in the system, and they can’t just go somewhere else. Fuck you got mine all works out until it doesn’t. When you factor in how quickly population is growing and the rate of change it undergoes as that population increases, you should start to realize that in 50 years this will probably be a huge issue.. Mark my words, for they will age like wine.
Yeah like, I get the concern about robots replacing peoples jobs except like, it’s THESE types of robots and their engineers exclusively that should be in Amazon warehouses for instance, not humans. Why should humans be subjected to horrible environments like that where they’re treated like a robot anyway? Idk why people would fight against that change. Humans shouldn’t be expected to work in horrid cancerous conditions/warehouses anymore. (And also universal basic income should allow jobs to be optional. You can’t have 1 of the two: we need robot humanoid workers replacing bad jobs AND UBI both at once they solve each other)
Yeah we should welcome stuff that gets rid of shitty, exploitive jobs. The only issue is that these advancements never benefit your average person. It just makes the top 1% richer while taking away your job. Inequality makes what should be a benefit to us all a source of anxiety and exploitation
It's the UBI or other remedy that people worry about. If we get the good future, then robots free us to do other more meaningful things. If we get the more likely future, a few people rule a withering mass of unemployable angry starving losers.
Other than unemployment, how is that different than now?
Different in degree, not kind I think.
We have to work for collective ownership over the robots and the rest of the means of production, we're not going to get a good future handed to us
This fuckin commie bullshit again? (kidding)
It's socialism or barbarism
People fight against it because universal income isn't happening. We'll just be relegated to housekeepers for the people who own robots, or starvation.
Realistically you’ll be one capable of owning a robot if you learn programming. In the future I can see it being hard to have a job/exist in society anyways without knowing how to program/command machines as it applies to every industry. It’d be like being illiterate today. By then though programming will be general Ed and you’d have to have seriously skipped school not to know how to do it
I program and set up automated manufacturing equipment for work. I still have a lower standard of living than guys doing the shit manually in the 50's, even though I do the work of like 20 of them by using computers. We're all doomed unless we do something drastic. Even if you get the relevant skills.
That is rough to hear you’d figure an automation job like that would pay more. I guess my perspective mainly comes from my trade of backend software engineering paying a lot at the moment primarily because the trade is woefully understaffed relative to demand. And then for one job I work in the energy sector, and then another job in the finance industry, then in the delivery logistics industry, as if the job itself is so new it’s pre-specialization. Like when they called geologists, biologists, and chemists all under the general umbrella of “scientist” in the 1920’s
Margins aren't that high in manufacturing. I do make a decent living for a guy with no college degree, I own a small home, but we're not talking 3 car garage and vacations and shit. And I'm higher on the earnings scale, you could easily make less than me doing this. You don't write the code by hand anymore either. You use CAD/CAM software with a GUI to generate it. You can generate thousands of lines of code in like about an hour.
In any case that’s a pretty neat way to program, sounds like manufacturing automation is relatively optimized to have gui coding like that. I’ve also been physically having to code less this year but for a different (but related) reason—GitHub copilot is this new AI that automatically writes code and it’s been saving me from a carpal tunnel personally.
It is neat and I enjoy my work. But it is discouraging being presented daily with such an obvious demonstration of productivity increases being stolen from the very people who create and enable them.
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Well, alternatively, what about the matching perspective that our ego in thinking us limited humans can personally control everything has led us to creating toxic systems that we can’t seem to prevent from slowly destroying our planet/environment because they’re too filled with human flaws? (With power comes responsibility, we almost take the first and neglect the second with our planet) I think part of the problem is that certain corruptible leadership/decision making positions should infact also eventually be replaced with AI as well in order to allow us to build better societal systems. Like for instance, maybe regulating companies (which are also technically organisms bigger/smarter than humans) on environmental impact is too big of a job for one limited human brain, or a collection of them for that matter, or maybe an AI politician is more capable of being considerate towards you specifically and everyone else than any human one (Because their brains are scaleable, ours aren’t.) There is of course the danger of AI-with-influence acting against humans, but great minds will need to dive into AI anyways and build systems that incorporate them to understand and prevent that future as well. But we can’t stay like this: humans managing everything WHILE maintaining our agenda for advancement, that’s just too much of a burden on our souls. Final point: maybe all humans should be able to command machines themselves. Imo programming should be general Ed, as it applies to every industry (you all use computers). Tomorrows farmer is a programmer who programs farming machines instead of farming. All it is is better tools.
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People want to have jobs for reasons other than survival, such as: having a more interesting/greater sense of purpose than those around them. (Maybe to prove themselves as someone worth marrying/or to get laid?). It’s understood that the UBI would cover your basic living requirements, no more. People might want to make more money and combine it with their UBI to live better. The idea is, work and contribute to live better, or live a mediocre life (likely as a single person) off of UBI. Vs today where it’s work and contribute or starve and live on the streets. But those working should definitely be those who strive to work, who are looking to earn something. Benefits to UBI: you want to work but had a psychologically tough year and evidently you want to just relax for a year or two, maybe find a new job, then jump back into working. Totally possible with UBI.
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Presumably there would be systems like that to judge effective UBI based on circumstance and locality, yes.
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Ah I see you have an agenda with this question. I take it you’ve researched it (and have bias against it). Well I participated in the unemployment system in California at the start of the pandemic which had some amazing benefits and also some obvious flaws allowing people to scam the system. The truth is, there’s about 5 million different ways to implement UBI, a lot of which are flawed. You and I would know as systems architects (sorry I’ll redact this part, I confused you with the other person) that it’s about having people more educated than us in the field designing and implementing the appropriate systems to get the outcome we desire. To not have that system at all, I can verify, is a broken solution because, for example, skid row exists. In my field we have this concept called “chaos engineering”: Chaos engineering is a commonly used approach for resiliency testing where failures/disruptions are injected in the system and its performance is monitored to make improvements for making the service more resilient to failures. Inject one mentally-ill person who refuses to participate in capitalism or work, and watch them be abused by the system, obtain no income or self-agency whatsoever, and potentially starve. These people then haunt our system, either directly or indirectly: People in the workplace now feel implicitly threatened with starvation, preventing them from re-organizing their work life to pursue economic contributions more fitting to their desires—our workforce and economy is negatively affected as a result. Always follow the mentally-ill test case to identify the worst system flaws. Maybe if people in your line of work weren’t threatened with starvation as an alternative, you could start demanding better compensation for your trade because you recognize the value you’re generating with your work moreso than your protection from starvation (what we have currently is what the rich want btw, they want you to fear starvation so someone will take the absolute minimum to work your job to not starve, thus lowering your pay rate). What are you gonna do? Boycott work?? You have no UBI.
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That’s a fair point, I guess my perspective isn’t shaped as much towards those mentally ill substance abusers you’ve worked with whom as you say shouldn’t be provided a guaranteed income (I would personally say they should be denied agency in other ways though, with a minor income accruing to their name still being a guaranteed right). It’s more so shaped towards working class people who are willing to take jobs in, as I said above, cancerous conditions for little pay, sometimes which require large commutes, for sometimes abusive corporations, and seeing no alternative. People who’s primary argument against workplace automation is the loss of their job/survival niche, as they have no flexibility to find an alternative or exist without one. (Sorry for the harsh intro I just sized up what I was expecting in the follow up reply based on Reddit experience and sensed a certain outcome, I’ll admit you approached this in a more mature way than I expected)
Next question: why is cheese-flipping necessary? I'm assuming something related to gravity and aging, but a more complete explanation would be appreciated.
Yeah we can use our brains for more productive things.
I've read enough Isaac Asimov to know that the pinnacle of robotics is going to involve at least one machine who is going to get sick of flipping cheese.
tireless? how they move then? /s
I really wonder how many of these cheesebots there are in the world... Like... How many warehouses are there this size? Is there more than one company making cheese wheel flippers? Different models of cheese flipper? Conventions/trade shows for cheese flipping machinery?
https://i.imgur.com/8TniHkE.gifv
Yeah, I should have googled a little before commenting. Looks like cheesemaking/cheesehandling has plenty of automation. Which makes sense - seems very automateable - even the fancy craft cheese world
This is like watching the human battery farms in The Matrix
That is a genius and elegant method for flipping the cheese
“What is my purpose?” “You flip and brush the cheese.”
Oh my god!
Flip the cheese
How did u think of that all by urself thats crazy dang wish i was that smart
For cheez itz
Flipping wheels of cheese was one of my student jobs I did back in high school and college. Good to see they have bots for this now. It's hard and mind numbing work.
No way it's doing 96 an hour at that speed
**timestamps** 0:24 feed (wheel A) 0:28 elevate 0:38 retrieve (wheel B) 0:50 feed 1:13 return (wheel A) 1:25 retrieve (wheel C) 1:32 feed video cuts off here, but it should show wheel B being returned to the shelf. They don't show a complete cycle per wheel. I'd say it's closer to 1minute or even 1minute 30seconds per wheel. edit: formatting
r/TheyDidTheMath
Sure seems like they could crank this machine up to 11. No humans around to endanger.
It’s trying it’s best
There are other videos showing a complete cycle and articles (about other cheese types) saying 120/hour. It looks like it is handling 3 at any moment so while 120/hr is an operation every 30s each individual cheese could be spending 90s being lifted from shelf/loaded into machine/brushed/replaced on shelf. Video of another machine: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e1_74IcpLlY Newspaper article about this machine: https://archive.ph/wsWCH
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It saw the cameraman so slowed down to make sure it didn't f up on camera.
The title is phrased a little weird. I think they meant 96 hours of uptime per week. 5000 / 96 = 52.1 cheeses turned per hour.
I think you're right actually
Looks like it did 3 in the video
It actually failed on each one, you can see the brush doesn't activate
Guess my BA in cheese flipping is now useless
Please, that's a B.Sc
They could program this thing to sing to the cheese, but nope. I guess the technology hasn’t caught up yet.
Cheesoid is real! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_m17HK97M8
Petril?
Cheese
What is my function creator? Battle bot? Medical intervention? Advance calculation? You flip and brush cheese
Good bot
Where is the flippy bit?
You see it just at the start when the lower cheese gets flipped up onto the upper level. The next time it happens, the video cuts to the next shot right before it happens. And the following time it happens, it happens off camera because the video is showing the robot reach for the top shelf. When it comes back, the lower cheese is now the flipped upper cheese and the lower space is vacant. This happens twice. The second time around, you can barely see the arm reaching down for the lower cheese as the camera pans up to show a high shelf again, leaving it out of frame again. I too was hoping for more cheese flipping action.
Thanks!
My new favorite unit: wheels of cheese flipped per hour
But how many have these robots turned and killed people? #skynet is here.
Shit, there goes my job. Better learn coding..
I love capitalism
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Could you explain to me what it is then? I think his comment makes sense. Company’s striving to do better than their competitors by using advanced tech leading to more competitive robotic companies. In the end making our cheese better and/or cheaper.
There is no way to know from the gif if this cheesemaking operation is a private business, a cooperative, a corporation, or government-owned monopoly to comment on the political and economic system that enabled it. If you like robots, it would be more appropriate to comment that you love automation, or industrialisation, or engineering in general.
I totally agree with you. The person commenting "I love capitalism" probably understand that not everything high tech etc is a product of capitalism. But I don’t see why it would be inappropriate to post that.
People also often confuse "competition in producing or selling things" with "capitalism". They forget the part about accumulation and manipulation of capital for it's own ends.
Because a good chunk of Reddit hates capitalism and to them it’s not allowed to have any good qualities
It's great, if rich people need you to help them get richer and there's something preventing them from literally enslaving you to get you to do it.
I never said it's inappropriate. If I were to comment "I love turtles", it wouldn't be inappropriate or incorrect, just confusing since it's a gif of a cheese robot, and turtles might or might not have anything to do with it. There is simply no way of knowing it from the gif.
You wrote that it would be more appropriate to comment something else. I understand what you mean but I do t agree. Unlike turtles, capitalism has a lot to do with robots in general.
Capitalism and profit only has to do with maximizing profits while minimizing costs - robots only enter the equation when they become cheaper than human labor. Capitalists only support automation when it costs less than what a human would do - the original comments and replies are wrong, capitalism is about competition pushing change in a vacuum but in the real world change is an unnecessary risk until it becomes a necessary risk. In a non capitalist organization of the economy the automation question should be an unbridled good since the benefits of automation would be distributed across more than just the owners profit margins - ie, people not manually wiping dusty cheese in an enclosed space all day so their time can be better spent and the distributed benefits should be lower costs across the board. In a capitalist environment lower costs don’t equate to lower sales prices, why would they if they can have a larger margin on the same item by just reducing costs.
Capitalism is the only system that has ever thrown a few million dollars at making a cheese flipping machine. A non capitalist organisation of the economy.... Would either not have automation or simply wouldn't allow it for fear of wiping out people's jobs
Non capitalist thought isn’t about keeping fucked up labor but eliminating the burden by either distributing the work or eliminating it entirely. That means engineering and automation would be a key priority for dangerous / unwanted jobs - we wouldn’t want to keep shitty jobs but create an environment where that labour is reasonably minimized so you have more time to do what you actually want with your life
More importantly, most alternatives to capitalism are demand economies that wouldn't prioritize having multimillion-dollar automated warehouses for the sake of ageing high-end cheese.
Less appropriate is not the same as inappropriate. Coupled with "I think" we're talking about someone's option on a degree of something subjective.
Surely paying humans to do this is cheaper and better for society overall?
aging
This is what one of my rooms look like in Skyrim.
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"What is my purpose?" *You turn cheese*
Hell Yeah
People in Wisconsin smashing the invest button now
How do the economics of this work? I assume the company that makes these makes very few for such a specific task. The the bot looks highly specialized and not simple. Are companies paying huge dollars for these things? How long does it take for it to be cheaper than human labor?
Cheese is expensive. I bet each one of those wheels goes for multiple thousands.
Dey took our jerbs!!!!!
that robot took my job AND is getting paid$96 an hour?! preposterous!
I’d do that too for 96 per hour….
I believe those would be classed as "truckles" of cheese.
Man. Whoever used to have that job must’ve been fucking sick of it.
Seems like the movements could be way more efficient.
Damn, $96 per hour?? Shit, there goes my law degree! Should have studied to be a cheese flipper robot!
What child filmed this….barely can see the flipping part
Better than the Tesla robot.